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Weird Micro Hydro Turbine Generator from China - Or is it actually a Water Pump? 

The Amazing Adventures of Miles
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A strange item came up in my eBay suggested items feed not so long ago, listed as a 230v AC Turbine Generator of 300 watt capacity. I was intrigued and got an offer accepted on it just to see what it was like.
This video is the unboxing of the device, a dismantling of the turbine assembly, and finally some testing from a high pressure water supply to see what sort of power it can deliver.
Afterthought: Having watched the video back I think it's true to say that I didn't give much in the way of good points. Well I'll give two here, firstly it's very compact for a micro-hydro turbine, and secondly it's actually really quiet. Much quieter than any other micro-hydro I've ever played with. Whether that makes up for the shortcomings is a subject worthy of debate.
I think it would be possible to engineer a much more appropriate propeller/spinner than the one it comes with that is clearly intended to be a pump. With care (and ideally a CNC machine) a billet of aluminium could be cut to give a much better result than the one it came with, maybe I'll try and make one at some point.

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@cristof48
@cristof48 2 года назад
I was looking for those kind of turbine in Aliexpress.. Thank you for this test.
@nautilus1872
@nautilus1872 2 года назад
Sorry it didn't work out better, there is a video on YT of a gentleman in NZ built one out of a washing machine motor, I think it has been producing power for 15 years. Marty t if your interested. I've taken inspiration from your engine driven battery charger and built my own version, it was supposed to be light and mobile but its turned out to weigh about 80kg lol. There are plans for a smaller one, I learnt a lot during the build.
@RustyGlovebox
@RustyGlovebox 2 года назад
Nice work giving the little dynamo every chance to prove itself or not. 👍
@shinyinnewyork4395
@shinyinnewyork4395 2 года назад
Enjoyed your video!
@TheAmazingAdventuresOfMiles
@TheAmazingAdventuresOfMiles 2 года назад
Thank you ShiNY ^_^
@Patriarchtech
@Patriarchtech 2 года назад
It is definitely a pump. That said centrifugal pumps can be quite efficient turbines - That thing in the middle is called an impeller and this is an open impeller(which is not that effecient you would use that to pump solids), and if you run it as a pump the impeller vanes fling the water outwards generating pressure through the diffuser. When run in reverse as a "turbine" you would'nt want the impeller to fling the water outwards and rather counter intuitively the impeller is not wrong with the way the vanes are shaped they are supposed to do the opposite of when you are pumping. Most centrifugal pumps as I said can be run as turbines with little modification (you have to take into account threads on fastners etc) at about 85 to 90% of the pumps rated output. Also it is not a bearing it is a mechanical shaft seal. A mechanical seal is suppose to be friction based - that is how it works. It gets lubricated once water floods the seal either from the inside or outside and runs smoother(And you should definitely not be rubbing your fingers against the two surfaces as it will destroy the seal potentially(it looks like an ok seal overkill even). In fact I see a lot of Pelton runners and DIY turbines with no seals around the bearing which would destroy the bearing pretty quickly=bad. You could use ceramic bearings, but this is a reaction turbine and so the chamber has to be completely flooded that means it needs a seal otherwise air would get in. Air in a reactance turbine or centrifugal pump is just about the worst thing you can do to it.
@TheAmazingAdventuresOfMiles
@TheAmazingAdventuresOfMiles 2 года назад
Thank you so much Anders for giving me your technical expertise on this, you clearly know your stuff! I didn't realise that about the mechanical seal, makes sense now, so I should put it back in! Also very interesting about the vanes direction, that is good to know. I'd quite like to rig it up again actually and give it a longer test run. The only thing that concerns me maybe is the longevity, being a DC motor (or Dynamo in this application) I assume it's got a brushed Commutator, which at this RPM is going to wear fairly quickly? I wonder if a small three phase PMA might have been a longer living choice for it, but maybe I should just let it run as-is and so how long it work for.
@Patriarchtech
@Patriarchtech 2 года назад
@@TheAmazingAdventuresOfMiles Happy to help. The reason why the vanes confuse people is because the vanes and the housing of a centrifugal pump are carefully designed to work together and people don't realize it because they expect everything to be impulse. In a centrifugal pump the casing is often volute shaped(Not always though). A volute or the casing in a centrifugal pump has the same function as a nozzle would on a Turgo/Pelton runner although when utilized in a pump it can be viewed as a reverse nozzle. In a nutshell the casing will either speed up the fluid generating velocity or slow it down generating pressure depending on the direction of flow. The important bit here is that the volute/casing will have cutoffs. Impellers and more specifically the vanes are shaped according to these cutoffs and either the outer periphery of the casing or according to diffuser vanes(Single volute has 1, Twin scroll has 2. etc. Vaned diffuser casings could have as many as 20 or even more) The cut offs are either starting points or endpoints for the impellers to do their work. The best analogy for a centrifugal pump/reactance turbine's casing/impellers orientation is to imagine a trebuchet firing. Watch it in slow motion first forwards then backwards (when backwards imagining the trebuchet catching the payload and returning it to the firing position). Another way is to imagine an excavator with its arm being a vane on an impeller. When in turbine mode the arm stretches out puts the bucket down then pulls it inwards while curling the bucket to the point where the material can be scooped(at the cut off). The advantage of reactance turbines is that they are pumps and turbines very much like electric motors are also generators. Pelton, Turgo, Crossflow etc. are impulse and can only work as Turbines. About the brushed DC motor. I would not completely discount it, I mean it looks powerful. Brushed dc motors do have their uses and they don't need rectification. What I would look into If I was you would be to get one of those "no spindle drill" (Stupid name)assemblies of Ebay or aliexpress and some different size pullies and timing belts so you can test a runner/turbine with the same motor/generator, rather than the random crappy motor people will throw on to stuff to say "it can do 6kw" Like just get a low KV drone motor (like 90kv) those items should not set you back more than 50 pounds. My point is that there will be a certain amount of pressure available. The runner/turbine is one bit of the equation obviously the other one is the gearing and correlation with the generator assembly. Using belts and pullies is not something I would recommend, but it can be quite tricky to determine what generator will provide the optimal performance and it can help to have a modular design, rather than buying different motors and concluding they are bad. A belt and pulley system small scale will help you dial in lots of things. My guess is that ideally your runner should be sized to be doing about 2-3000 rpms (this is the rpms most pumps run at) and so you need a generator/motor that works at its best in this range according to the voltage you want either of the shelf or via gearing. I love your channel by the way, anything hydro, pump related is awesome so thank you!
@ellooku
@ellooku 7 месяцев назад
Been looking for review on this, today RU-vid algo decided to work for me. 😂. What RPM can generate 220V?. I only need it to charge 24V battery. Is this OK?
@altafahmad2620
@altafahmad2620 Год назад
Please tell me link of this item and price also thank your
@mujahidhussain8978
@mujahidhussain8978 Год назад
what is water pressure requierd for this opreation........?
@1981dasimpson
@1981dasimpson 2 года назад
interesting so if some one made a diferent impella they could work crafty selling a pump as a genrator but nothing new
@rovhalgrencparselstedt8343
@rovhalgrencparselstedt8343 Год назад
Did you have a go at a refund for "not as advertised" or did you just cut your losses ? And i think that seal needs to be wet to have low friction, and obviously a 230-340 v dc motor will have next to zero torque at 24v dc
@hizkiarambe4948
@hizkiarambe4948 2 года назад
Belinya di mana pak?
@TheAmazingAdventuresOfMiles
@TheAmazingAdventuresOfMiles 2 года назад
Saya mendapat milik saya dari ebay, terdapat banyak lagi barangan serupa di sana pada masa ini
@JoeMalovich
@JoeMalovich 2 года назад
Wow, and I don't mean that is a good way.
@TheAmazingAdventuresOfMiles
@TheAmazingAdventuresOfMiles 2 года назад
heheh I know right? Thanks for stopping by Joe, love your videos
@BearBearandhat
@BearBearandhat 2 года назад
That's a water pump dc lol.
@TROUROCKS
@TROUROCKS 2 года назад
u bort a pump mate
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