Well of Radiance KILLED, Strand Titan Nerfed & Massive Stasis Buffs | Destiny 2 The Final Shape 

So thankful they nerfed Bubble, everyone was complaining about how broken it was in PvE

“Due to Solar Warlock over preforming we have decided to to nerf Titan void bubble”

So now that Well’s survivability has been nerfed, you’re gonna go back and change all the encounters you designed around it. Right, Bungie? RIGHT, BUNGIE???

I love how having a specific aspect equipped for hammer of sol punishes hammer of sol

$5 that LFG groups are still going to ask Warlocks to Well.

If you're going to nerf the primary means of succeeding in dps checks, you need to create boss encounters that don't require your team to stand in one place to dps while the boss beams you down.

Ward of dawn: dead and has been for a long time Bungie: Someone grab me my bat.

So technically, we are back to the well and bubble strat since it’ll add an over shield when near it and you can have restoration when in well

The funny thing about the Well nerf is that to an extent, a lot of the game has encounters built around standing in a Well and doing damage. RIP to Bubble though, they destroyed you for no reason

Bungie’s solution to Ward of Dawn being useless in PvE was to make it worse. Oh well, maybe Banner Shield will have a place in the sandbox now.

So we're moving from always wanting a well to always wanting a well plus a bubble, brilliant, outstanding.

so its going to be bubble titan in the back, warlock well in front then duskfield hunter inside for frost armor. cause even if everything changes, as long as endgame activities boils down to stand in specific spot then damage itll just be well with extra steps.

THANK GOD they buffed pocket singularity! I can finally kill a red bar in medium level content 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

Void titan will now be considered an endangered species.

The well of radiance is getting nerfed to hell that 8 second buff isn’t worth losing the defensive ability. They need to make it buff our damage more with radiance to even out the loss of defense.

New Fear unlocked dying in my well to a boss.

It's a super, not a healing grenade. It should definitely be even a little over the amount that x2 restoration gives you.

No one at Bungie plays void titan

They have effectively brought back the D1 strat of putting your bubble directly behind your fireteam ducking in and out to have the defensive capabilities. and with Well you will add the offensive side. meaning they will work together. I dont think they are changing the stacking of damage if the bubble is using Helm to grant Weapons of Light.

Only thing about the titan nerf that I don't like is yet another nerf to Synthoceps, and this time even Wormgods. Wormgods is already only OP if you're just perfectly keeping the gameplay loop going all the time with perfect conditions and a onetwo punch sg, which most people are not, which is why everyone uses Synthoceps. But even Synthoceps isn't op, because you have to be surrounded and that's only really viable on strand titan, which you just nerfed and that's not even considering the fact that synthoceps are meant to be used with any subclass.

How the fuck is the stasis section not gonna mention Icefall Mantle. That's my default exotic when not going for a specific build. It is still gonna grant overshield? Will is instantly max out Frost Armor? Will my dad ever come back from getting milk? I NEED TO KNOW!

So basically Warlock nothing has changed but now Titans have to run bubble slightly behind the Well. Excellent work, Bungie. Now that's two classes not running prismatic in endgame, lmao. Someone inform Skeletor.

Holy shit I didn’t know knock em down had a cooldown. That explains why it was so inconsistent for me when I was popping off

Can't wait to run Lightning Titan again. Been using Solar with all the artifact perks.

So now we just go back to Bubble + Well for effective DR and buffs. Bubble in back well in front. And gaining Overshield standing near the Bubble will be the DPS meta to survive in soft endgame raid teams

I love how in a dlc where we have litterally never been closer to the source of our light, ie, we are litterally inside the traveller, our light powers are being made absolutely redundant and powerless

I'm actually glad for the well nerf. It's annoying to be forced to play support alot of the time. I ran solo Gm's DPSing as a warlock with either strand or void. Granted, strand does yield one of the best for warlock, but weakening grenades with devour is my jam. Screw getting kicked out of lfg's for wanting to be a dps warlock. I hope this change breaks the narrative.

My Osmiomancy builds already feel good. Doubling the damage and increasing the amount of seekers I can make is gonna be crazy. Im pretty sure iceflare bolts count to Osmiomancies grenade energy regen too.

Bungie’s dev team was higher than the Apollo 13 mission the way they nerfed Ward of Dawn which wasn’t a problem 😭

New meta: Well Warlock and a Stasis Hunter throwing a duskfield grenade on it

So pop well, and a bubble halfway behind well. Still get well benefits and close proximity will help trickle an over shield to you.

Man, and I love using well in nightfall. RIP my solar warlock

Does April Fools happen twice a year now?

Salt greppo is to blame 👀.

Me and my bro (New Zealand slang for friend) made a build called “king of blue crayons” that involves Skullfort and thundercrash with any arc titan melee that made it un-killable. Can’t wait to bring this back in final shape

I still miss one thing Lance's don't have which is a timer, just like Tangles have

the new warlock super better be friggin killer cuz theres literally nothing in here about solar warlock changes except the nerf to wel

Think back to every moment you have actually heard the words out of someone mouth "can you run well" or "we need a well". Think of those haunting and iconic moments. Now tell me how many times were because of the benefit to survivability vs because you were doing a DPS phase and wanted the benefit of extra damage. It's probably that in 80-90% of the scenarios players were clamoring for it due to the damage increase, with 20-10% being due to the survivability. Now look at which one of those benefits Bungie just buffed (it's the damage increase) and tell me they didn't make the problem of Well's staple overuse worse lol. Bungie identified the crime of overuse and shot the wrong suspect. This is coming from someone who is perfectly happy with the nerf to Well's survivability considering how many countless options for survivability there are in the game that don't require you to stand still like a sitting duck (DPS phases built around Well are gonna suck now though lol). My idea would have been to remove Well's buff to damage (or just lower it), lower the restoration rate to that of Restoration x2, increase the casting HP gain to 300 like they did, leave the damage reduction alone and be done with it. Only problem is Radiance is in the super's name and not increasing damage would trigger my OCD.

Stylish executioner being activated by Glaives is amazing. This is the almost the same ability we had at the launch of Witch Queen where Glaives activated suppression which in turn activated invisibility. So in theory with every glaive kill on void a Hunter will become invisible like in Witch Queen's launch.

What ever happened to " Power To The Players " I really do miss the old days

Bruh that bubble nerf was so not necessary. I dont even play bubble titan. Its been trash for so long and is constantly getting nerfed

The application of weaken to glaive melees via Stylish executioner is insane. Its such a simply change yet I think will be huge. Just wait, glaives are about to be meta on Hunter. Just thinking of Vexcalibur applying weaken and activating all 3 void buffs with one kill is insane. Not too mention how good this is on Prismatic. Theoretically you can stack Void Overshield, Woven Mail, and Frost armor with little effort. On top of going invis with every melee kill

I Bought the final shape not the final nerfs

There's needs to be a good amount of people giving up on this game to the point that bungie will realize the mistakes they are completing and they will bring lorely splendor back,starfire protocol, sunbracers, and so many weapons to its usefull forms

Is going to be interesting watching people find new strategies with encounters clearly made around fireteams grouping inside a well, they just want the final raid to be a challenge.

GOOD LUCK SURVIVING HARD DMG PHASES

I am absolutely bewildered how Bungie is too incompetent to make Behemoth into a functional subclass... We don't need "several quality-of-life improvements", we need a complete rework of the aspects, as no matter which pair of aspects you pick, there will never be a complete gameplay loop.

Honestly kinda crazy that they didn't address the massive unlisted nerf to contraverse holds for warlocks in the void section. Like, aside from the well nerf, warlocks practically didn't get changes at all in the "largest balance patch" Bungie has released yet

Nice to see that every encounter that is built around Well will continue the same now and in the future and they will not tune the damage we receive and we will just get fucked as usual.

classic bungie "balancing" old supers to boost sales of new stuff

As a strand main, I'm sad they're punishing us

Suprise suprise. Bungie nerfed another Titan Subclass.

Many people saying the warlock is free for well now, i think now is more mandatory, one warlock with well, one hunter with duskfield and a titan with banner shield. kkkkk

Just so everybody is aware Bungie made it so that in order to function in endgame content you will now need both a well and a bubble and we know they did it on purpose because they got rid of Wells damage resistance and got rid of bubbles damage increase making it necessary to pair both of them together in order to have effective damage resistance and healing during an end game boss fight. I mean come on guys they literally called the section for both of them well of radiance and Ward of Dawn they want you to use both together so sorry Titans sorry warlocks who are always forced to run well. Bungie literally took the offensiveness of the bubble and put it in the well of radiance and then they took the defensiveness of the well of radiance and put it into the bubble

I wish the golden gun Deadshot Super didn’t feel like a half baked super because it feels like it’s missing some of its abilities considering the fact it takes a fragment just to get the other part of it working instead of radiance, allowing it to trigger the other part of the super. Finally, we’re getting stylus executioner to work with glaive melee, I’ve been waiting for that since witch queen. It’s about time they finally did that😆

Omg thank god I've been wanting to do a Threaded spike Assassin cowl build and always takes me out when I grab the spikes return

NO LONGER SHALL I BE FORCED TO WELL, I AM NOW "NOVA BOMBER!!!"

Dude you could make bubble give both blessing and weapons of light, give it the extended duration from D1 glasshouse, and make Saint’s helm blind intrinsic to the bubble, and still fking nobody is going to use bubble.

I’m looking forward to experimenting with keyword stacking like devour and restoration for ridiculous survivability while killing.

I'm fine with the changes to well, but they could increase the radius a little to give a little more room to be evasive alongside the nerf to survivability. In its current radius it can accommodate 6 people being generally immobile, but if you have to rely on moving around then it should have a little more space imo

I wonder what Skeletor has to say about this to beastman 👀

I’m surprised about bubble titan. I play destiny a lot and I honestly rarely ever see anyone use bubble titan in pve

Thank you cross. I always wait for you to make these videos, i am dyslexic. YOU ARE MY NEWS.

I do wonder if the bubble changes will affect the glaive bubble? At the very least, helm may now grant weapons of light when passing through the jello ball

"Quick! Buff the new shit, even the stuff we've ignored for YEARS! Nerf anything else that's popular!"

I main solar warlock so the Well nerf is very disappointing. Banner of war Titan was the only build I even enjoyed on the class after bonk got nerfed. Kinda glad I never pre ordered Final Shape at this point. I was waiting on balance changes to decide. Don't think I will be getting it.. At least not right away. Will wait and see.

What I think people are forgetting is that they specifically warned us about solar healing nerfs to make way for a “new subclass”, which we found it is Prismatic. On top of that, we have healing frame autos so it kinda makes sense. That being said, they’re balancing a lot of things that desperately needed it I.e. lightweight knife, shield throw, stasis, etc. But, people will still complain.

So moving ward of dawn's damage buff to helm of saint 14 is going to be interesting, because helm of saint 14 currently also works with the titan glaive...

RIP Well

Interesting not to see even a little tweak to Flechette Storm...I wonder if it's used so little that they don't have enough info on it lol

Alot of people hear seem to have forgotten about the Reckoning...and how WoR and bubble were needed for that bridge part.

Salt greppo is to blame 👀

Some encounters, need to be relooked at....... Because if well is being nerfed like that directly impacts the current raids and setup. Like nerfed it in Damage reduction, Healing, and then some???? Like I understand nerfing one aspect of it but to nerf Alll of WEll

I really don't know how to feel about the well of radiance changes, since there are definitely encounters and mechanics/ strategies that had a well during designing/playtestung in mind. But I guess we'll see 🤷‍♂️

Wait?! Haven't we seen this in the reverse? At one point, we used bubble with well for the bubbles offense and the wells defense. Now, we'll use them for bubbles defense and wells offense. It's just a flipped pve meta that we saw before.

I think the reason damage resist wasn’t touched in pvp was because the healing per second was gutted in half. You can 100% kill someone with restoration x2, but current well is near impossible to kill through aside from a one shot. My current multimach roll with under over and kinetic tremors is almost able to 1 mag a well in its current state. Now? This thing is about to get a whole lot better at shredding players inside

If ICEfall mantle doesn't play into Frost Armor, I will be very disappointed.

Idea. You know that one titan exotic that allows you to shoot through baricades? What if that applied to bubble as well? But, the bubble takes damage = to that of .5% or .25% of the damage the weapon would do. Maybe a trade off for the ability to fire through it could be reduced damage reduction and enemies with piercing rounds can pierce the bubble? Maybe in pve the bubble could slowly regen its HP? Ooh! Or or, what if the bubble had some kind of offensive capability? Like when it wears off or is destroyed it "pops" or something? Maybe it gives off a burst of void energy in the direction it took the most damage from? As for well of radiance, what if we rework it entirely? What if the sword gave players radiant souls? Powerful buddies that fire off a delayed "echo" of a % of the damage you deal and take? Maybe they give a small % of damage reduction and or restoration? Maybe they could prevent death once, and put you at 50% hp/shield? What if these souls changed based on whether you were in the well or not? Like whilst your in the well they are mostly or all offensive based. But when you leave the well they shift to defensive and healing based? What if well of radiance itself did damage? Like full on a monolith of light jutting outwards from the blade. A sphere of golden energy at its peak, it could attack enemies within its sight. Applying radiant burning stacks to a foe depending on distance from the well, when radiant burning reaches 100 stacks it could cause a divine ignition. This would be stronger than a normal ignite of course, and it could heal allies in the well? Maybe allies within the well gain radiant rounds, allowing their weapons to apply radiant burning to enemies based on the weapon and damage dealt? Radiant burning and divine ignition are separate from the regular verbs so that you could build both regular burning and radiant burning at the same time! Maybe effectiveness is based on how close you are to the sword? Maybe the health of the sword affects its potency too? Make the sword more fragile in pve so that you have to be strategic in its placement, but greatly increase the radius of the well, with clear indicators of the potency of the well effects. I dunno man, I'm not a game designer! But I don't think they're solving the issue here! Just creating more!

I wonder if whisper of reversal (while you have frost armor apply slow to those who melee you) will work with AC/DC feedback fence.

i opened the patch notes saw this block of text, closed it and decided to wait for the Cross audio book

Era of the well inside the bubble has arrived

Armor of light in pve was massive as it allowed you to get uninterupted regen that being gone means entering a bubble at 1hp is no longer a thing as you will still get 1 taped which is dumb

You know what's REALLY frustrating about consecration slam? On controller for some unknown pointless reason, when casting the 2 part ability the look sensitivity for no reason at all gets locked to like, 10. So there's no spinning in the air to hit a target behind you just before you slam with it. And the same is true for some other abilities on other classes. The Hunter's basic class dodge ability works like this. The Arc Warlock lightning beam super does this too. I could have my look sensitivity set to max (20) and when I cast the super, my look sensitivity gets reduced to I think 10. Same thing for Stasis Hunter's super, Blade Barrage, they all have halved look sensitivity and it's a big problem that mouse input doesn't have for some reason. I think this is because when Bungie updated the controller look sensitivity settings when the next gen consoles came out, they raised the controller look sensitivity cap from 10 to 20, doubling it. My guess is they just forgot about these other things where look sensitivity is very important. I pointed this out the same week the controller sensitivity changes came out and 4 years later in 2024 these things still haven't been updated to match the next gen console update that Destiny 2 got. So it doesn't much matter if these abilities get buffs, they just suck because they're still using the Xbox One/PS4 era look sensitivity values. I mean they made the changes to look sensitivity, but did they even bother using the new settings to see if there were any problems? I've watched Bungie devs playing on controller in live streams, they're using something barely above the default look sensitivity on controller. So no wonder it's been this way for 4 years.

I find it funny how bungie had to clarify for nova bomb " we wanted to increase its damage without the use of a exotic. So we gave it two more orbs." Are you serious? Titans fallen sunstar, the pyro gauntlets. Hunters super exotic changes and star eater scales are all fine and had no reason to doubt. But having warlocks IP nova bomb have a damage increase via through exotic is too much apparently. Nova bomb rn does like 290k or close to it dmg. Adding 2 orbs will most likely increase it to what 300k or 310k. At least rework or update Skull. And like I personally stated, I will probably be using stasis, even though they didn't give us a shatter ability. (Besides obvious prismatic) . Besides WoR, no solar change. Arc only change is increasing the cone of the range melee and doubling the second jolt of the upclose melee. Not going to change much on strand warlocks unless it's like a continuous threadling perch spawner. And void sounds promising, but buffing the ranged melee should have happened a long time ago. Currently, it can't even kill an orange bar acolyte.

A bubble nerf is odd cause anytime I’ve seen or used titan in end game content it’s suspend build, thundercrash, or pyrogal burning maul I haven’t used/seen bubble in a long time pve wise. With it being a fully defensive safe zone it’s probably still not gonna see much use like why use bubble when I can use a big damage super or the new stasis shield

My question is does frost armour work the same way as offensive bullwark and knockout, in the sense that your uncharged Melee abilities are now counted as charged Melee abilities?

Honestly, this just brings me back to the old days of using Bubble in the back and Well for damage phases and I'm all here for it

I started reading it but I figured I would wait for you to do it for me. Thanks aztecross

What I learned: Every single tool you had to get close and feel safe is gone. Luckily pulse rifles got a huge buff so you can sit in the back of the map. GG Bonk is not as good Cons is not as good Grapple is not as good Well is not as good Ward is not as good Banner is not as good Woven mail is not as good No DR or Healing for you huh? Everyone get used to running a solar primary, you're gonna need to keep restoration x2 proc'd. I'm calling that next season is going to be a Solar/Stasis Scout/Pulse meta. You will have restoration x2 and frost armor now. Everyone will have restoration and frost armor or devour and woven mail. Most likely Solar/Stasis pairs though.

I think that the new warlock solar super gives radiant and scorch to solar weapons of allies. Probably they want to make us use that more

I do wonder if new synergy options are there to compensate for the well nerf by just splitting up the roles of survivability and damage boosting

Man it seems warlocks get shafted again… (not talking about well nerf) but the amount of changes we get to our aspects compared to titans and hunters it just seems like we don’t get a whole lot…

No word on how Icefall Mantle is affected by the Stasis Frost Armor changes

Hardly played D2 pass vanilla, and really got an itch to come back recently. I’m hilariously behind but it sounds like Saint 14 Plus bubble will be sought in groups? How I played almost all D1 lmao.

seems good because there are others trying to complete bounties and quest challanges with regards to weapon and ability damages

Bubble getting nerfed this hard when it has barely any endgame PVE relevance is crazy

Stasis hunter is going to be insanely good now, top dps rotation already in the game and now it has insane neutral game

The only thing that kinda bugs me is that ice fall mantles didn't get reworked to help this out? So is it still counted as a stasis overshield?

When does this come out or is it already out? Haven’t played for a month or two

Oh no players keep using the super we have designed pretty much every raid encounter since forsaken around, guess we have to nerf that into uselessness and I'm sure that won't cause any issues.