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Were the Ottomans a Roman dynasty | Ottoman Empire is a continuation of the Roman Empire 

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@giotis_pantel
@giotis_pantel Месяц назад
Is there really any serious decent human being who could even imagine in any way that the ottomans had anything to do with Rome ? Yes they copied much of the greek culture of eastern Rome, but they had nothing to do with the graeko-roman world. Maybe the Spanish were an Incan empire too, or the British were the new Zulu...
@hiddensign
@hiddensign Месяц назад
Maybe you are right
@AliSidTex
@AliSidTex Месяц назад
The Ottomans resurrected the Roman Empire after it had collapsed and brought into the age of Islam. Also the ethnicities who ran the Ottoman empire were the same byzantine people who ran the Roman Empire. The main thing that changed was the introduction of Ottoman Royalty. That's a far cry from European Colonialism which was more of a business enterprise than anything else.
@giotis_pantel
@giotis_pantel Месяц назад
@@AliSidTex While the Ottomans did conquer Byzantine territory, including Constantinople, this does not equate to "resurrecting" the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire, in both its Western and Eastern (Byzantine) forms, was rooted in Latin and Greek cultural, legal, and religious traditions-deeply tied to Christianity. In contrast, the Ottoman Empire was an Islamic caliphate with a distinct legal, social, and cultural framework influenced by Turkic, Arab, and Persian traditions, not Roman or Greek. Simply ruling over former Byzantine territories does not make the Ottomans successors to the Roman legacy. Claiming that the ethnicities running the Ottoman Empire were the same as those running the Roman Empire is an oversimplification. While it’s true that some Byzantine administrators and populations were absorbed into the Ottoman system, the Ottoman ruling class was dominated by the Ottoman Turks and other ethnic groups, not native Byzantines. Furthermore, governance and societal structures under the Ottomans were vastly different, focusing on Islamic law (Sharia) and the millet system, which gave non-Muslim subjects limited autonomy but placed them in a subordinate position compared to Muslims. As for European colonialism, while it did have commercial interests, it was also about political control, resource extraction, and exploitation-so dismissing it as purely a business enterprise underplays its destructive impact on indigenous cultures. But comparing the Ottomans to the Roman Empire is misplaced; the Ottomans were a powerful empire in their own right, but their identity and mission were distinct from the Graeco-Roman world. Just as the British Empire didn't become "Zulu" simply because it conquered Zulu lands, the Ottomans didn't become "Roman" by conquering Roman territories. The Ottomans may have inherited Byzantine lands, but they were a fundamentally different empire with different goals, values, and identity.
@SlavicPrideOfficial
@SlavicPrideOfficial Месяц назад
No. The end.
@Wyatt-ub6hn
@Wyatt-ub6hn Месяц назад
Short answer; no. Long answer; noooooooooooooo
@hiddensign
@hiddensign Месяц назад
Yoooo Bøý
@Wyatt-ub6hn
@Wyatt-ub6hn Месяц назад
@@hiddensign I don’t speak roach
@mikaelgrande6968
@mikaelgrande6968 Месяц назад
Changing over the course of centuries is much different than changing over a night. Rome ended it was conquered by a foreign force. There was no continuity between the two like after a civil war of change of dynasty.
@JoeSmith-sl9bq
@JoeSmith-sl9bq Месяц назад
They were as much a continuation of the Roman Empire as Rome was of the Seleucid or Hittite Empire
@MuratCanAkyol
@MuratCanAkyol Месяц назад
First, we know that Rome was once pagan and later accepted Christianity. Why don't we accept this for Islam? Two, the Ottoman dynasty was united with the Palaiologos dynasty through marriages. making this dynasty the legitimate heir of Rome. Three, Grand Vizier Messih Pasha, who would have been the emperor if Constantinople had not been conquered, later became a Muslim and was from the Palaiologos dynasty. Three, almost all sultans dreamed of conquering Rome and made their raids to the west for this purpose. Four, Mehmed II and Suleiman the Magnificent officially declared himself Caesar. You find it legitimate for Rome, which was Latin and pagan, to become Greek and Christian. Why can't you accept that Third Rome is Muslim and Turkish? The answer is yes. Those who think otherwise can also say that the Russians are the real owners of Rome shit. Thanks for the video.
@mikaelgrande6968
@mikaelgrande6968 Месяц назад
Which to this day means Turkey is the modern Roman Empire then? Bs, it’s two different entities where one defeated the other. The Last Roman Empire went down with his great and old empire, sword in hand. A different language, different rulers with different culture, different religion and different history. The small remnants and pieces of the empire need to be mopped up as well. They didn’t accept the new pretender. There already was one in the Holy Roman Empire. The Ottoman Empire was not The Roman Empire. Just because you rule the ashes doesnt make you into the tree.
@MuratCanAkyol
@MuratCanAkyol Месяц назад
@@mikaelgrande6968 No, Turkey has nothing to do with Rome other than being its heir. Türkiye is not Rome. But then why do we consider the Eastern Roman Empire as Rome? Didn't the Trojans, who were destroyed by the Greeks, establish Rome? When Mehmed II the Conqueror conquered Istanbul, he said: I took revenge on Hector(Trojan King). According to your thesis, Byzantium is not Rome either. Ab Urbe Candita
@giotis_pantel
@giotis_pantel Месяц назад
The transition from paganism to Christianity in the Roman Empire was a transformation within the same cultural and civilizational framework, rooted in Roman law, politics, and identity. The shift to Christianity didn't erase Roman values but integrated them into a new religious paradigm. In contrast, the Ottoman Empire represented a break from the Graeco-Roman world, rooted in an Islamic framework with Turkic, Arab, and Persian influences. While it’s true that the Ottomans intermarried with Byzantine dynasties and some former Byzantine officials like Grand Vizier Messih Pasha converted to Islam, these individual ties do not make the Ottoman Empire a legitimate heir to Rome. The empire's culture, legal system (based on Islamic Sharia), and governance were fundamentally different from that of Rome or Byzantium. Declaring oneself "Caesar," as Mehmed II or Suleiman did, does not make an empire Roman in essence. Their military campaigns aimed at conquering the West, including Rome, were about expanding the Ottoman Islamic state, not reviving Roman civilization. Rome’s transformation from Latin to Greek was an organic evolution within its own empire, while the Ottoman Empire, despite occupying former Byzantine territories, built a new Islamic identity. The notion of "Third Rome" may be claimed by various powers, including Russia, but the Ottoman Empire's identity and legacy were distinctly non-Roman. The Ottomans had nothing to do with Graeko-Roman heritage.
@MuratCanAkyol
@MuratCanAkyol Месяц назад
@@giotis_pantel Was the culture of burning witches among the cultures of Rome? Christianity destroyed Roman civilization. But we will not discuss which religion is correct here. As a Turk, I say that if we had not adopted the Roman style of government, it would not have been possible to have a huge power that lasted for 6 centuries. It would last at most 200 years. They governed the state the way they learned from the Romans. and the law has nothing to do with Islamic sharia. Yes, some rules regarding Islam were applied among Muslims, but historians say that the Ottoman Empire was not governed by sharia. Different practices were applied to non-Muslims. privileges were even granted. Even though we are at odds with Armenians and Jews now, we were great friends hundreds of years ago. Arabs were used as slaves or simply collected taxes. Just like Rome did. You can say these things in terms of culture, but just as Latin Rome became Greek, Greek-Rome became Turkic.
@MuratCanAkyol
@MuratCanAkyol Месяц назад
@@giotis_pantel Was the culture of burning witches among the cultures of Rome? Christianity destroyed Roman civilization. But we will not discuss which religion is correct here. As a Turk, I say that if we had not adopted the Roman style of government, it would not have been possible to have a huge power that lasted for 6 centuries. It would last at most 200 years. They governed the state the way they learned from the Romans. and the law has nothing to do with Islamic sharia. Yes, some rules regarding Islam were applied among Muslims, but historians say that the Ottoman Empire was not governed by sharia. Different practices were applied to non-Muslims. privileges were even granted. Even though we are at odds with Armenians and Jews now, we were great friends hundreds of years ago. Arabs were used as slaves or simply collected taxes. Just like Rome did. You can say these things in terms of culture, but just as Latin Rome became Greek, Greek-Rome became Turkic.
@romanhama5377
@romanhama5377 Месяц назад
No it was a Mongolian dynasty that allied with the foes of the Mamluks and later became the ruler over those allies, people's such as Kurds, Assyrians/Chaldeans, Arabs, Turkmen, Greek, Armenian, Albanian etc.. Later with nationalism they forced those inhabitants to rename themself as Turks or face genocide after losing WW1 and had their empire fall. They wished to become Europeans that's why they had started sultanate of Rum (Rome), but in the end Turks and Turkey was never accepted by the Europeans. They are still referred to descendant of Mongolians despite the population with true turkic etnicity in Turkey being less than 7%, whilst 20% are Kurds, 15-25% Armenian, 15% Greek and the rest is from Bulgaria, Romania, Macedonia, Bosnia, Arab, Pers, Kazakh, Turkmen etc... Seeing that Roman Empire was born from modern day Italy makes this a Hard NO to this video's question.
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