I genuinely want to know if there's ever any kind of accountability or if NCAA would ever comment on scores that are so obviously wrong or make a statement after the season related to "we will focus on ensuring we maintain the NCAA's high standards of excellence" or something like that, or if it'll just always be like that now
@@kara8016 huh guess we'll see. I thought after last year, we'd see a change. I think scoring started off okay in the first 2 weeks or so and then it got freaking crazy
I completely agree. I've been watching NCAA meets every week for many years and have never seen such ridiculous scoring as I have this year. The 10's are out of control. And I've said this before, but sometimes the athlete's name (Lee, Carey, etc.) is what's being scored, rather than their actual skills. Which means "lesser known" athletes end up getting underscored even though they are just as good. Plus rewarding 10's to less than perfect routines leaves the judges no where to go if someone comes along next and really is perfect. I'm not sure what the oversight is like for NCAA judges, but something needs to change!
I think the atmosphere can really make a difference too unless you’re just a stickler-like for Aleah, that crowd noise and everyone on their feet would make it super hard to be objective imho.
Such an absurd comment used to cosign an absurd video..... judges are seated at the side and don't have the luxury of slo-mo.... to act as if they should be this perfect, is laughable. Those tiny leg splits would never be viewable from the table & to be so absurd that you call the NCAA judging "outrageous" is seriously so ignorant.
Maybe I don't understand their code but would Jade's feet not be considered flexed in some of her tumbling & bars? Maybe I just love seeing a good toe point but they seem so relaxed to me!
i appreciate you making these videos because i too am shocked with some scorings. for example in bars sometimes, the leadoff position will do great with minor mistakes and will get a 9.75-9.8, where as the 4th or 5th in the lineup will have a similar routine based on mistakes and receive a much higher score
This irritates me so much! By far, the lead-off on bars (and vault, but only if the lineup starts with fulls) is judged more harshly than the other five athletes. Just the other week, LSU vs. Alabama, I saw a near perfect routine from Alexis Jeffries, yet she was only given a 9.8. If everyone was held to the same standard, not just between teams and conferences, but within a team’s own lineup, I wouldn’t have as much of an issue.
Always the case for Amelie Morgan. Not that she's always perfect but so consistent and should be getting the regular 9.9+ her team does but she's an amazing lead off, always was in elite too, so she end up usually hovering just below 9.9. She should have earnt at least 1 10 in the past 2 years given how the scoring has been. Maybe not is proper scoring like this but ABSOLUTELY given what we have... I really want to see her with the respect she deserves. She's an incredible gymnast and even better person. Also an Olympic medallist but that's barely mentioned, despite medalling the same time as Grace and that being constantly mentioned. And from a team with less depth that got their first Olympic medal in 97 years. And on far from her full potential and best form after not fully recovering from an ankle injury. She used to be best on floor but never get to see it anymore since she had to take her difficulty out and not train so much to keep herself going. Yes I'm a definite Amelie fan. It's impossible not to be if you've followed her from her career or seen her personality. She's also the main character on a TV docuseries about gymnastics that's been running for years. The best team mate, so humble and kind and so reliable. She has a lot of the qualities grace is known for, but more so on reliability and always has been, but obviously amelie is in America for NCAA so its totally fair that ofc Grace has the national pride and been a home favourite with the same people following for years. Whereas Amelie is the alien abroad so fair, but the commentary should definitely respect her experience more, even tho it wasn't for team USA. As especially in the context of historical UK performance vs USA she's been exceptional! A key part of bringing the UK up to being genuinely competitive on the world level. (All respect to tweddle, any tinkler, the downies and the gadirovas ofc being other key figures in that. Plus Louis Smith and max whitlock for the men paving the way for Joe Fraser to lead the way now, giarni and the rest of the current boys). TLDR: Amelie Morgan is the queen of lead offs and massively suffers from that in NCAA. And should be given a lot more respect from the commentators and not forget she's also damn Olympic medallist, and was stood up there with grace, suni and jordan in Tokyo, against all the odds. A hugely historical achievement one given the context of the UKs relative mediocrity to this point and 1st team medal in 97 years! Plus an exceptional person all around! Needs more fans in NCAA!
I will disagree on the beam, the score was correct imo, because she didnt quite finish that front aerial as usual, has a slight hesitation. On floor I'm guessing they took low chest on the last pass, but I do not agree. Bars was flawless, absolutely. UCLA has been somewhat underscored when compared to other teams, but I think it's more because they overscore others, and rightfully score them 😅
Jade’s bars should max at about a 9.9. She never fully hits her handstands and has riddled form errors. I cannot stand how overscored she is, and the one week where she got scores in the 9.8s (week 1), everyone got super upset-
I know I saw that too, I love Hudson and Blanco but seriously those judges all night were lazy to write deduction after deduction. Luisa has gotten deserved 10's but Hudson and Blanco should’ve gotten minimum of a 9.95.
Jocelyn Moore has stuck her yurchenko 1.5 for the last how many meets and only got a 10 once? She has def done multiple ten worthy vaults in my opinion. Also Jordan Chiles has done flawless bar routines multiple times and only got 9.975's. There are certainly more on smaller teams who don't get the same inflation as say the SEC but those are just a couple.
In watching the first gymnast and then watching Jayden Rucker, Jayden was no more bent backward than the first girl. It gets a little tiring that the gymnasts from the western schools are criticized more than the ones east of the Rocky Mountains...and as we're all reminded gymnastics is a sport that is judged subjectively, your right the judges don't have instant replay or slow motion to determine their scores, as you can.
Jaedyns ruckers vault is honestly stunning, I don't think it should be a deduction for leaning back tho, I feel like she was showing her landing and being proud of it if that makes sense Mailes beam is always so good, and she seems to do that on the full turn everytime so I wonder if that is on purpose or the judges can't see it
I'd like to see you take a routine that got a 9.90 and show us how you'd score it. Or 9.85, etc. Do those scores hold up, or is EVERYTHING missing small deductions?
don’t agree with aleah, im pretty sure she’s supposed to step back after her first pass, i think it was outstanding. but completely agree with lilly. luisa went right after her and you could see a difference
also i see you gave aleah a 9.825 but compare that to other routines that were given a 9.9 for example, plus her difficulty gets her extra points which she nails them in my opinion. so i disagree with the 9.825 because so many other routines get 9.9-9.95 that are not as good as this routine!
Yeah, I think that's part of her choreo - she always does that step. Not sure I think that routine was 100% a 10, but I have no problem with that first pass. No idea how Lily's routine ended up with a 10 either. I've seen her do better ones and score lower - she even missed her series, as she was supposed to go straight to her BHS/LOSO after the front skill. Weird.
@@Upstaged07 completely agree!! yea she has to do that step back with a difficult pass like that. it’s extremely hard for someone to stick a double arabian and hold it! it’s for safety and full completion!
I think this poster underscored aleah (i would've given it a 9.95/9.925) but technically she isn't supposed to take that step back. The actual rule is you're allowed to take a step/lunge in the direction of your tumbling. So you can take a step back if you're doing back tumbling but she's doing front tumbling (arabian) so she's only "allowed" to take a step forward if she doesn't want a deduction. The whole scoring of the LSU/Alabama meet was pretty all over the place though lol
@@reginageorge8080 yes i completely agree! i think the judges did the best w what they can see. i only commented this bc the video is kinda abt slowing them down and determining if the 10 was correct
Mathematically are you giving them a score where one judge forgives them or doesn’t see the fault and the other judge gives the actual deduction? Are you saying that it should have only been seen by one judge but not the other. Do .025 deductions occur in the NCAA code of points? Thanks for the content!
I think Heleigh Bryants's vault was a either a 9.9 or a 9.8 instead of a ten because right after the half twist in her front half her legs came a part barely and she flexed her feet.🤔
Technically it's not supposed to work like that, bonus points aren't supposed to counteract deductions. Otherwise you could get a 10 with a fall as long as your routine was hard enough. The start value maxes out at a 10 no matter how many extra "bonus" skills they have, The judges are only supposed to be grading *execution* of the skills they do. Having bonus over a 10 is more of a personal choice and/or can be useful because it means they can still start from a 10.0 routine even if they skip a skill or connection.
How picky is NCAA scoring compared to elite? I'm much more familiar with elite scoring, so I'm not sure how tightly smaller execution/form errors are deducted in NCAA.
Maddie Quarles should not have been any higher than a 9.9. There was an obvious leg separation on her pre-flight, along with slightly bent knees throughout.
honestly, I don't think that any of these should have gotten tens. there were deductible mistakes in every routine, which should have gotten points taken off. it really feels like college gymnastics isn't bothering with scoring strictly at this point. not every meet is going to have tens. likely, 1 in 10 should have a ten. at most. people are not often going to be perfect, and this is honestly kind of insane.
Also NCAA scoring for college gymnastics is not as harsh as like developmental program or elite like if they see a flexed foot there not going to take a deduction it’s part of the fun and even though we can see it in slow mo the judges can’t gymnastics is extremely fast and sometimes to fast for the eyes to see
Agreed with the exception of Aleah Finnegan I'd give it to her thou her leaps couldve been better as in not really 180 degrees. She was pretty darn close.
So many people say OU is overscored, but I’ve seen so many routines, especially on vault, that were truly flawless and didn’t get tens….while I see Florida, lsu, ucla….and as an individual..jade carey….get tens even with obvious form deductions. It’s so aggravating to watch week in and week out.
Never to detract from anyone else, but as a UCLA fan, it has been a bit frustrating to see so many 10s given out this season and Jordan Chiles be underscored a few times.
The jump backwards after Jade's leap series seems to be intentional, but I'm surprised people aren't commenting on it like they did last time it was still a 10
I truly believe that ncaa scoring is ludicrous, but you also have to account for is that if the gymnast starts at a 10.1 for example and gets a tenth off it’s still technically a 10
This whole thing makes me really scared for the post season. Some of the teams that deserve to win just get ripped off because of the judges bad scoring. Kind of like if you have bad refs in a basketball game who favor one team and call fouls and stuff only on one team. I hate bad refs haha. I've heard some commentators say that teams used to shoot for a 49.000 on each event, and recently it's risen to 49.500's on each event. It's just crazy how with higher ranked teams literally every gymnast is getting 9.9's or above. Like, not every gymnast is that perfect, there is always small deductions. It's especially irritating when there is plain obvious slides on landings or steps/hops, yet they receive a 10. If I were the gymnast receives 10's week after week, I don't think I'd be proud of myself and think I was amazing, I'd feel like I wasn't deserving of the 10, especially if I knew I had a wobble or something that should've had a deduction. Trinity Thomas even said on some social media (I think) that she didn't think she deserved one of her 10's she got a couple weeks ago.
ARE YOU A CERTIFIED USA GYMNASTICS JUDGE WITH TRAINING OR NCAA QUALIFIED JUDGE??? Or just giving your opinion on what you feel the “score” should be. These judges go through extensive training
Just curious, who is the "YOU" to whom you are referring to. I assume you know who Ragan is so you must be asking one the people who posted an opinion?
Judging in college gymnastics has always been quite laid back, but it's been way too lax and way too may "perfect 10" that aren't definitely not perfect 10s. Giving tons of 10s takes away from the sport and the true routines that deserve a 10.
So are leg separations after hitting off the springboard not actual deductions in college gymnastics? All the gymnasts in this video had them (some more obvious than the others.
The problem is that the judges only see it in real time, from the side. So the leg separation is not always something they catch. They don't get to watch it in slo-mo either. That's gotta be hard - sometimes I blink and miss the whole vault! :)
Aleah stumbled out of her second pass. Maybe a 9.95 in my book. Maile, lots of subtle bobbles. Maybe 9.925. Jade… oh jade. Love her but should never get a 10 on bars. A 9.9 maybe max. I will say… something about vault this season. That’s where I see the most true 10s.
You are so harsh on the landings if they don’t take a step it’s not a deduction even if they slide back that’s the Mats fault if they didn’t move there feet
This is absurd..... Judges are viewing from the side & obviously don't have the luxury of slo-mo.... I understand analyzing but to question the judges when I guarantee you wouldn't have seen 99% of the issues you pointed out, from the table. Also, to see so many in your comment section cosigning this BS shows they either know nothing about judging or know nothing about gymnastics, period..... Edit: I will not be responding to ignorance as I can clearly see 99.9% of your viewers cosign this ridiculous video. All of you are obviously professionals who know so much about scoring & what it's like to actually score a meet. (Since the ignorance seems to be in abundance, I better explain that the prior sentence was sarcasm) Thanks for the laughs.
clearly you do not know what u are doing. sorry but some deductions aren’t even in the code such as height. i do agree with 6 of the 8 that were judged by you but it is not a deduction to turn your feet out in the landing. in fact the judges are not allowed to deduct for that. another deduction that was not right was leg separation in the landings on vault. again, the judges do not care if you do it and the can also not see it even tho it is allowed.
Trinity Thomas is great and I used to love watching her routines. However, the scores she receives from judges these days get me upset. I can assess a perfect routine fairly accurately myself and I feel like the judges are insulting my intelligence when they just throw up tens for lesser routines. I still love watching Trinity and many others but judges Please...start judging on the routines and not the reputations. I tip my hat to you Ragan Smith for calling attention to this issue . You get a 10 from me for that. Good luck
I am suprised you even took the time to make such a video over college gym scores at this point are such a joke and really everyone is just watching exibition routines every week as you can NOT take the scores seriously at this point. My point being that is YOU made a video with JUST the problem on the 8 TENS or imperfect Tens this week.... But what about all the 9.95's that should have been 9.875 and the 9.9 that should have been a 9.825 and the 9.85 that should have been a 9.775.... You see where I am going here... I do not root for any team really as after watching the sport for 30 years and KNOWING like you what is and what is not score worthy that I can not longer take it seriously or the results as anything that means anything. SAD but true and we all know it. Just basically watching exibitions and until they redo the scoring for college gym as well as have competent judges who are held accountable with all these now super talented former elite girls then it is just a joke to award anything to anyone based on a couple judges bad opinions on whoever they like for the week and not actual true talent and performance and true judging. It sucks as well cuz how popular the college gym has become and rivarly and crowds and you really could have something here but the judging has dumbed it down to meaningless rankings. Even an untrained eye can see this. I agree btw on Haily Vault and nothing else was a 10 but her this week. But I disagree with about 3/4 of the scores EVERY week in college gym which makes the entire thing and standings a farce....Needs an overhaul stat as it is loosing credibility to actual fans who see the BS from a mile away.
This channel continues to attack Jade Carey with hate and resentment. Also, there is an attempt to discredit her as a gymnast. Jade has proven herself as a champion.
Yes, I agree u can not discredit her gymnastics at all. It's not her judging that's giving the tens out. Also alot of the small always (If being picky) deductions are mostly only seen in slow mo.
This is so dramatic. I'm a Jade fan and I agree with this video. These 10s for her weren't as overscored, but you can definitely make an argument against them receiving no deductions
Jade is a great gymnast. That doesn't negate the fact that she's been constantly overscored throughout her NCAA career, especially this year. The bias is out of control
@@Jess-oc5cj I honestly don't know if it's bias or just bad judging depending on the area. Jordan is much more well known but hasn't been given unfair tens (one 9.975 on a vault with a hop but other than that). I'd say the same for other former elites like Grace and Kara. I'm not sure what it is about Jade specifically that generates unfair 10s
