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Westinghouse ERL Duplex Elevator Machine Room Tour 

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In this video I take you on a quick tour of a typical older relay logic duplex DC elevator machine room. You'll see the duplex controller which is essentially three controllers in one, both elevators and the dispatcher. You'll also see the machines, over-speed governors, and the motor generators.
In this setup, the motor generators take a 3 phase AC motor to spin a DC generator. The controller controls the generator output current and polarity to the hoist motor which in turn controls speed and direction. It was a very effective but yet cumbersome system which requires a lot of maintenance.
Working on equipment like this can present a challenge due to the age and condition. Modifications and unauthorized repairs that aren't recorded on the electrical prints can make troubleshooting difficult. But if the equipment was maintained properly and the prints are accurate, then the challenge is only down to the skill of the troubleshooter. The highly skilled and knowledgeable elevator men who installed these machines are becoming more and more rare. Couple that with the condition and age of these machines and it makes sense to modernize the elevators with more safe and code compliant equipment, not to mention the efficiency levels go way up.

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Комментарии : 25   
@ronaldmackall1621
@ronaldmackall1621 4 месяца назад
I love watching relay logic at work!
@pony053
@pony053 3 года назад
Wonder how Westinghouse did their selector? I know they had something called Rototrol.....and many had Synchro-Glide leveling. They had these very machines at Sts. Mary & Elizabeth Hospital here in Louisville.
@terryburchnell578
@terryburchnell578 4 года назад
I remembered the nameplates of 20 horsepower, and gear worm ratios of 73.0:1
@Creeperboy099
@Creeperboy099 4 года назад
I’m just curious, why do they have an AC motor spinning a dc generator instead of simply hooking up a rectifier?
@dieselshadow
@dieselshadow 4 года назад
A rectifier is very simple yes, and would be much easier. However, we can’t control the output of the rectifier, at least not as easy as the DC generator. We can easily control the generator by adjusting the field coils. Since the armature of both the hoist motor and the generator are wired in a big separate loop, the generator field coils become our source of direction and speed for the main hoist motor. Smaller relays and contactors can easily handle the current needed for the field coils. If we were to use a rectifier, a simple contactor would instantly send the hoist motor into full speed. We need to have directional and full speed control. Another aspect is having torque control at various speeds and loads. The closed loop circuit of the motor and generator have special field and shunt winding to compensate for these variations. It’s complicated, yet simple. LOL But very much outdated compared to today’s AC motors and variable voltage, variable frequency drives used in modern elevator controls. 👍🏼
@Creeperboy099
@Creeperboy099 4 года назад
dieselshadowman that makes sense Edit: oh, so the controls are 3 phase AC, the motors are DC?
@FloridianElevators
@FloridianElevators 5 лет назад
Modernizing or just working on these? I'd assume this is from the 50s or 60s?
@dieselshadow
@dieselshadow 5 лет назад
Just working on it unfortunately...these need a mod in a bad way, but the customer doesn't want to spend the dollars.
@FloridianElevators
@FloridianElevators 5 лет назад
@@dieselshadow How many floors do these serve and how come a mod is badly needed for these? What problems are they having?
@dieselshadow
@dieselshadow 5 лет назад
They serve 5 floors. They do not have any of the modern safety features like a secondary brake on the machine. The machines are old and leaking, and a bit noisy. They aren't nearly as efficient as newer AC machines due to the motor generator always running. The relays and wiring is old and crispy. Replacing a relay pretty much requires shutting both elevators down and two men. One on the front side, one on the rear. And they are soldered in. Troubleshooting these takes longer than a modern machine and they breakdown more often. They also have cloth covered traveling cables. These cables are a disaster waiting to happen. These were prime for a mod 10 years ago.
@LiftyGamez
@LiftyGamez 3 года назад
Do these not have selectors? Thats rather unusual for a set of Westinghouses
@dieselshadow
@dieselshadow 3 года назад
Yes they do. They have the piano tape selectors for slowdowns, floor levels, and terminal landings. 👍🏼
@LiftyGamez
@LiftyGamez 3 года назад
@@dieselshadow Wonder if they replaced the positioning system, it looks quite unusual. In a few cases I have seen they keep the entire relay logic original, but replace the mechanical selector with an electronic one. Im guessing thats due to the better efficiency of exchange of signals between circuit boards?
@dieselshadow
@dieselshadow 3 года назад
It’s all factory. It’s an ERL with a ton of miles that needed to be modded years ago. It’s still limping along. 😆
@nemopop8623
@nemopop8623 2 года назад
Hello, how are you when you have the control drawing?
@unitedothaim652
@unitedothaim652 3 года назад
Do you have wiring diagram for this type of control2c-2bc-ERL
@dieselshadow
@dieselshadow 3 года назад
I don’t have them handy. The ones on the job are very tatty. But even then, they probably won’t match what you have. Schindler can get you a set if you can’t find any.
@unitedothaim652
@unitedothaim652 3 года назад
@@dieselshadow Thank you for your answer. We contacted with Schindler as per your advice but no answer received. Due to the top urgency of this matter, could you please provide us with a copy of this one you have as possible as can?
@kansasthunderman1
@kansasthunderman1 5 лет назад
What does "ERL" stand for?
@dieselshadow
@dieselshadow 5 лет назад
I’m not sure. It’s the model number for the controller. Maybe someone in the audience knows what exactly it means.
@kansasthunderman1
@kansasthunderman1 5 лет назад
@@dieselshadow Those machines and controllers look like late 1960s vintage. I'm hoping someone can get these as collectibles so there is a history of elevators. Unfortunately, they will wind up in a scrap metal dumpster and eventually be shredded to reclaim the steel and copper.
@manuelalvarado6510
@manuelalvarado6510 Год назад
I'm thinking ERL stands for elevator relay logic.
@alpzepta
@alpzepta 3 года назад
Sound like a Diesel engine
@matinsplume3778
@matinsplume3778 3 года назад
28236877alojas 33 2
@matinsplume3778
@matinsplume3778 3 года назад
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