Westinghouse igen4500 VS Onan Cummins P4500I Full Test. (Generator Review)

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Cummins Onan 4500 Watt Digital Inverter Electric Start Gasoline Portable Generator | P4500i
Onan Gasoline Inverter Portable 4500 Watt Generator P4500i with Remote Start
3700 Running Watts - 4500 Peak Watts. Parallel Capable for 50-Amp Power
RV Ready with TT-30R RV Plug. Great for Tailgating, Camping, Backup
LED Digital Data Center Display
Push Button & Remote Start (Fob included) with Recoil Backup
Telescoping Handle and Heavy-Duty Wheels-Moves Easily Over Outdoor Surfaces
Ultra-Quiet 52dBA Operation and 18-Hour Run time 1 Tank of Gas
Durable Construction Built to Last: 3-Year Warranty and Lifetime Tech
Westinghouse iGen 4500-Watt Electric Start Inverter Generator - iGen4500
Westinghouse iGen4500 Portable Inverter Generator
LED Indicator Lamps and Digital Data Center
Telescoping handle and 5.5-inch wheels for easy placement
Ultra-Quiet 52dB(A) noise level
Up to 18-hour running time on gasoline
3700 running watts, 4500 peak watts.
Parallel Capable - Double the power capacity
Safe for Electronics - 2 USB Charging Ports
3-Year Residential Warranty-1-Year Commercial Warranty

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@jarulraj123 Год назад

*A quiet **Generater.Systems** , love the dual fuel capabilities, camper is 50 amp but the adapter helps and found it still handles the load. Haven't taken a camping trip yet, that's in a couple of weeks. Will see how well it does over a long weekend.*

@GeneratorReviews Год назад

The maximum power wattage you need

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

I hope you guys liked this comparison, I was also surprised by the results I thought the Cummins and Westinghouse would have similar output I have zero affiliations with either brands so my test are none biased. I still think both Gens are Awesome 👍🏾

@chtomlin 2 года назад

I don't think you can assume this based on just 2 units.

@stevemaloney8799 2 года назад

They are the exact same unit. Westinghouse makes the Onan. My guess is you didn't run the onan in efficiency mode like you did the westinghouse.

@stevemaloney8799 2 года назад

When in the efficiency mode they won't handle as much load as when in normal operation.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

@@stevemaloney8799 I ran both in eco mode

@YukonHawk1 2 года назад

@@GeneratorReviews My under standing of eco mode is that when there is a call for more power the genny will ramp up until demand is met then kick back down. Correct?

@motomaki6103 Год назад

This guy tripled my knowledge on portable electricity in 15 minutes, bravo!

@GeneratorReviews Год назад

🙏🏾👍🏾👊🏾💯😎Thanks

@acrinsd 2 года назад

According the the distributor, they are the exact same unit. The only difference is the color of the plastic.

@Redfour5 Год назад

Beat me to it. So, I'm thinking differences are within a set of acceptable parameters

@farmer8957 2 года назад

Hey thanks for the REAL world test of them two ! Also that screen that controls you rv is to cool!

@bradames3755 3 года назад

Awesome, exactly what I wanted to see. I was torn between the two before seeing your video

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

Awesome!! Happy it helped you 👍🏾

@dab208 Год назад

these are literally the exact same generators. the onan did not shut off in overload which is not surprising. they are both made in the same chinese factory just different color packaging and decals. we have the westinghouse version, $200 cheaper because of the name. i would be highly concerned with the overload protection NOT protecting the internals on the onan.

@bradames3755 Год назад

@dab208 just because the outside is the same doesn't mean the internals are too.

@xsentrik1107 2 года назад

I love this man's due diligence!

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Thanks 😊

@dynamicaccuracy7398 2 года назад

I have been an electrician for over 20 years and therefor have to agree with Randy Hunt’s comment. The fact that the Cummins did NOT shut down on overload or even light the overload light when running beyond its power rating and feeding constant 38.8 amps through a receptacle rated for 30 amps is very dangerous for damaging the generator or RV cables connected to it. I definitely would not want a generator that did not shut down when running in an overload condition. If an RV had a 50 amp plug and I needed more power I would buy a bigger generator. So the Westinghouse is the clear winner in my mind because it’s safety mechanisms are working properly. That being said, it appears that either Cummins or Westinghouse is making both of those generators for both brands. I’d bet whichever one actually makes it turns around and sells it to the other brand so they can put their badge on it because physically both generators are identical in every way

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Thanks You’re right it should have triggered a over load light and shut down

@fourbyfourblazer2 2 года назад

It could be that particular generator is faulty from the factory and the same could happen to a Westinghouse. I've seen choke issues with the Westinghouse so I'm wondering if there have been choke issues with the Onan.

@travispelfrey8940 2 года назад

That’s exactly correct. Onan does not make that gen. We outsource it to Westinghouse and slap our plastic and stickers on it. All warranty work even gets paid by Westinghouse and failed units get sent to them. That’s why there is a price difference. Onan has to make money somehow. Haha.

@andyo.593 2 года назад

Either brands do not make their own generators. If you dig inside the generator you will find a Chinese factory stamp. They come from the same Chinese factory and Cummins and Westinghouse just private labels them. The box even says made in China.

@ericnortan9012 2 года назад

Agree. I'm an electrician also.

@CaptainTrips. 2 года назад

Great comparison man. Thanks for putting in the work!

@campingalan 2 года назад

This is a great comparison for 2 "like" units! Due to price, I would always default to the Westinghouse, if choosing between these two. Our trailer will only be a 30amp rig with 1a/c, so I definitely don't need the inverter coverage above what the generator is rated at. But....it will be interesting in the out years to see if that Onan/Cummins inverter proves to outlast what appears to be the slightly less capable Westinghouse inverter. Have a great weekend all !!

@randybobandy9828 Год назад

Lmao.. Cummings is fucking up using a cheap Chinese clone that is the same as the Westinghouse.

@mizelbeltran1737 Год назад

Just bought a Cummins. Wasn’t sure if a made the right decision, now im glad I bought one… comes with a 3 year warranty that you don’t have to purchase. Thanks for the video bro

@ricfly52 Год назад

The best comparison review I have seen. Excellent job!

@GeneratorReviews Год назад

Thanks 😊

@thecalledout7 4 месяца назад

I just bought a Cummins. They just dropped it off today. Cant wait to go home and check it out. Thanks for rhis video!

@jakebarnier5188 Год назад

I love the content brother. Keep it coming.

@garden-queen2393 3 года назад

Great test review. Nice vs video.

@generatorbible 3 года назад

Great vid Gavin!

@pecoswild 2 года назад

Great vid! Great review and comparing. Thanks for sharing.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Thanks

@madinventor69 3 года назад

I appreciate you taking the time to make this test I was truly torn on making a choice as they look identical Cummins was a clear winner & it made my choice easy God Bless

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

Glad I could help

@mrfarmer532 2 года назад

Good test, you got my subscription on this one.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Thanks Don😎

@utubetjc 3 года назад

Well done....great review!

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

Thanks TC

@Rockrewls Год назад

That Onan is impressive it's only rated at just over 30 running Amps and did 38.6 Amps and still maintained over 100 Volts.

@Firebird400 3 года назад

I bought the Cummins a few months ago and it’s been fine. About 60hrs on it now , had the a/c running in the trailer last week all day 32 degrees c it was fine . The guy we were camping with had a firman 3000w and that thing keep shutting off and running rough ( probably getting to hot and vapour locking I would imagine) . Remote start is handy, the power switch needs to be on but it doesn’t drain the battery overnight. Worth it I think, but time will tell I guess.

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

Awesome thanks for the comment Just remember change the oil regularly and if you can get all the gas out of the system when you store it even better

@randyhunt1581 3 года назад

It may be a good thing that the Westinghouse shut down so that it actually protected it from damaging the internals. For the Cummings not to shut off when overloaded shows it's safety features are not all working properly. Just a thought that you may want to look into to get these questions answered. Westinghouse is a good brand. Maybe a service history from repairs made on these units would help. I don't know just think all possibilities should be considered. Good video.

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

It shuts off at 39.9 I tested them three times after

@artpendergraft4989 3 года назад

They are identical just different color

@stevenkrupp5732 2 года назад

Yes you may have a point! It didn’t shut of but was only putting out 103-104 volts... pretty low in my book and like you said... might me low enough to be hard on electronics

@memejmoon9716 2 года назад

@@GeneratorReviews nice review it just have a few questions 😀 I live in Wisconsin we have very cold winters and snow how do you protect your generator from the weather and is it cold and snow proof from your experience? Also, I live in the city I’m trying to figure out how to have a safety plan for when the power goes out for a few days. Back in 1976 the city was shut down for two weeks I was thinking about going with a Delta 2500 and a 2000 gas generator Winston to charge the Delta instead of solar panels due to the snow and bad weather I ccan charge it in my garage. After watching this review maybe just get a bigger unit and put in the woodshed if there’s an emergency what’s your thought? Amazing channel I just subscribed thank you🎉🎉🎉 The champion actually sounded smoother running then the Winston if that’s what it’s called I can’t remember😂

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Hey J Moon thanks for the Sub😎 you can use the Delta and recharge it with the generator but that leaves you with out power when recharging it . The Westinghouse 4500w would need a rain and snow cover I’m working on a video about that should be uploading it soon. If you have space for the larger Generator It would definitely be less of a headache and more power than recharging with solar or the 2k Gen. I would also recommend checking out a dual fuel generator for your backup power Gas/Propane. Let me know what you think 🤔 Thanks 🙏🏾

@leerodriguez902 2 года назад

This is a great comparison thanks

@humbertothebeliever2443 2 года назад

Forget the generators. Maaaaan that's some backyard there! I love it.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Lol 😂 thanks

@mattday870 2 года назад

Thank you for this video!

@markkaufman4601 Год назад

Good test! Thank you!

@Jennifer-007 2 года назад

YOU FREAKING ROCK!!!!!! Thank you for this....

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Thanks 😊

@rcairflr 2 года назад

Great video. This answered my question.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Glad it helped you out

@fredschultz8267 2 года назад

Good testing session, glad to of watched your channel.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Thanks and welcome

@jimflanagan6029 2 года назад

Nice RV Gav, good test and sharing that info

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Thanks buddy Appreciate you watching 🙏🏾👍🏾

@martinknight8320 2 года назад

The westinghouse did its job. Its sensed you was drawing current over its run rating a d shut down. The Cummins showed overload and lit up but did not shut down. It fail to shut off and protect your unit against a overlad.

@peteweigman4504 2 года назад

Great video Gavin, thank you sir.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Thanks

@Rescuetech16 2 года назад

You have the best generator videos on RU-vid brother ! You are great at doing this.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Thanks for watching buddy trying my best 👍🏾

@britmckee4224 11 месяцев назад

Excellent test. Thanks

@roberthopper5102 6 месяцев назад

Great video Gavin👍🏼

@GeneratorReviews 6 месяцев назад

Thanks 😊

@Tom-In-Ga 3 года назад

Both generators are identical (except for cosmetics) and made in either China or Vietnam. Have to allow for manufacturing differences. Lets use a car as an example. 2 cars with the exact same specs and options. Yet one will outperform the other. Why? Maybe torque settings were a little higher on one. Or one used parts from Mexico vs Canada vs USA. To me, both generators are winners but I'm not crazy how the voltage dipped on the Cummins brand and kept running. Leads me to think that it was not adjusted properly at the factory. I'd worry that low of a voltage can damage whatever appliances or devices are being used, especially anything with a motor. However, I would never use the genny to that high output. Have to keep in mind that this is a demonstration which, by the way, was excellent!

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

Thanks for watching Well said you are correct that both Gens are identical but settings on both could be changed by either manufacturer

@Rusty.1776 2 года назад

WOW! THANKS BROTHER GREAT TEST, GREAT VIDEO. 💚

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Thanks 😊

@stevegillespie6424 2 года назад

If Cummins Onan made a dual fuel in the model, I would buy it. Hard to pass up the ability to use LP while camping. Thanks for the video.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Thanks for watching

@kylearaiza8808 2 года назад

Just buy the Westinghouse Lp adapter it it fits the onan. Run it on LP or gas. Or buy the 9500

@bschena 2 года назад

@@kylearaiza8808 Link to that?

@randybobandy9828 Год назад

While I agree that dual fuel/propane is better for emergency power since you can store propane indefinitely vs gas which expires in 9months to 1 year and maybe 2 years if it's non ethanol/has sta-bil. But my issue is the cost. You only get about 55-60%of the total energy output per gallon of propane vs. gas, which makes it a lot more expensive to run. Yes, propane is slightly cheaper than gas, but the loss in energy output makes it still a good amount more expensive. Basically I would only run propane as a back up energy source and use gas as much as I could.

@BKD70 3 месяца назад

I just don't understand this love for Dual Fuel/Propane. Yeah, no issues with storage, I get that. But Propane makes less power, you burn more of it, and is such a hassle to refuel/refill when the tank goes empty... definitely not worth the extra hassle in my opinion. I'll take gas any day. All you have to do is drain the carb bowl if you're not going to use it for a while... it's not difficult. Use a good stabilizer, fill the tank full, and drain the carb bowl, and you're set for storage.

@reelfinatic9439 2 года назад

Great comparison. There is a reason for spending a little more. Similar but not the same.

@sae1964 3 года назад

Great video Gavin. I believe I put my comment under someone else comment. But anyway I mention how close in the numbers this two generator where in comparison. On running an rv with a 30 amp outlet I think both would work just great. And if it’s a 50 amp just turning off one ac while using your microwave would probably work. Great job buddy. 👍.

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

Exactly!! If you have a 30 amp RV you can’t go wrong with any one of these generators. Thank you for checking out the channel and watching my videos.🙏🏾 I’m gonna have to parallel the two 4500w on a 50 amp RV just to see if I can power everything. Two A/C, microwave, refrigerator all the lights all the TVs washing machine just go crazy with all that power😁🤣

@sae1964 3 года назад

@@GeneratorReviews why not, let’s see what they do. 😂😂🤣. I saw that champion came out with a 5500 inverter generator already. 🤯. Buddy if l live close I would go give you a hand. I know it’s a lot of work behind what we see. And we appreciate everything you do to get us these videos. 🙏👍

@christinescheiner5194 2 года назад

So thorough!!!

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Thanks 🙏🏾

@mb_a5383 Год назад

Thank you for that

@tubemember21 3 года назад

Right before you started up the microwave for the Westinghouse, your RV was pulling 23.6 amps. When you started up the microwave on the Onan it was only pulling 22.3 amps. That's an extra amp that may have put the Westinghouse over the load and couldn't handle the surge. Good comparison but I'd like to see if done maybe 3 times to see if it behaved the same way.

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

I did it twice after recording, you think I wouldn’t make sure the Westinghouse overloaded the exactly the same time Cummins ran it every single time. Thanks for watching

@tubemember21 3 года назад

@@GeneratorReviews Crazy results. I guess the extra money pays for some slightly better electronics! Great videos.

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

I can show you an overload on the Cummins but I wanted the test equal fridge two a/c and microwave for one minute

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

Yes I liked your question you pay very close attention my friend. I think the companies like Honda Cummins Generac Yamaha underrated their Generators so they out perform other’s brands

@YukonHawk1 2 года назад

@@GeneratorReviews It's all about the marketing.

@roberthopper5102 6 месяцев назад

Good to know cause I just bought the Onan

@Wiredinteam 3 года назад

Great comparison

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

Thanks 🙏🏾

@angrydoc68w6 2 года назад

I had both. And the big difference other then cost is the Cummins actually ran out of the box. I had all kids of trouble with the Westinghouse. I fixed the Westinghouse by returning it.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

I shouldn’t laugh but that’s so funny! 😆 I didn’t expect you too say ( I fixed the Westinghouse by returning it.) Thanks for sharing 👍🏾

@jerrygaona6162 10 месяцев назад

The "Cummins/Onan" generators had the same problem out of the box, since they are made by Westinghouse. I have had to repair or replace several P4500i generators

@johnmichaels5215 Месяц назад

Thanks for making this video and all of your others . I have learned much from you and now feel good about my purchase of the Onan over the Westinghouse . I am buying 2 to hook up for my 50 amp RV , do you think the Westinghouse Parallel kit is the same as the Onan ? Good savings on the Westinghouse brand if it works !

@GeneratorReviews 29 дней назад

Thanks 😊

@tmac7130 3 года назад

Good video lots of information thanks. Just a question do you run soft starts on your ac’s.

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

Yes I do!

@jeffbienvenu9937 2 года назад

Your RV is nicer then mine, your grass is greener then mine and you are younger then I am...good thing I'm not a hater... ;) good video thanks for the comparison

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Lol Thanks Jeff

@bruceyantis 7 месяцев назад

Thanks Gavin

@Nathanallenpinard 2 года назад

Gotta do more than one test. The Amperage was higher for the draw on the Westinghouse

@tomsmythe4903 3 года назад

Load was a bit higher (about 2 Amps) on the Westinghouse than on the Cummins. Also, voltage dropped more on the Westinghouse than the Cummins. Leads me to believe the SurgeGuard unit disconnected power from the Westinghouse vs the Westinghouse faulting into overload protection (never saw an overload condition on the Westinghouse). Both units are the same. Conditions were almost the same (battery charging had reduced by the time the Cummins was hooked up). The variable is the SurgeGuard unit which would drop the connection vs allow a sub 105V connection to remain active from shore power. The Westinghouse dropped below that threshold, the Cummins did not. Now, that said, Westinghouse support sucks. Campingworld/Cummins support should be much better. You get what you pay for.

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

Excellent comment my friend but the Surge Guard did not drop power I ran this test three time and same result on each test the W.H 38.8 amps C.O 40 amps.

@stevebastin9982 2 года назад

Big microwave but you can set the power level on it

@stevebastin9982 2 года назад

Again no DB levels

@randybobandy9828 Год назад

No the voltage drop was the same, if you're referring to the moment that the gen overloaded and it dropped down significantly that's nothing because it shut down. The Westinghouse house shut down properly instead of maintaining a low 103v. I know I would rather have my gen power off vs running things at a 103v which is potentially harmful to your electronics.

@livinganewdream3682 2 года назад

Nice job on the comparison. I think you're right the Cummins unit does a better job. The Westinghouse unit dropped out too quickly. The line voltage on the Cummins sagged to 103v, but that's OK. The amps will climb and could pop a breaker, but you shouldn't damaging anything. Any device that is damaged due to low line voltage is a pretty bad product anyway. I've been designing eletronic systems for more than 25 years and I've seen some pretty bad stuff go into production, but generally most EEs do a good job of protecting their device designs against low voltages at the circuit level.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Hey Thanks 🙏🏾 Most people see 104v voltage drop and panic but it’s okay like you said the amps will increase and trip the breaker to protect the circuit from damage That’s why I always use a good surge protector with low voltage protection just in case

@brianallen0826 2 года назад

I'm no expert, but I thought you want a generator to shut off as fast as possible in a overload situation

@BKD70 3 месяца назад

I'd rather see the gen cut off rather than have it try to carry that overload and ultimately overheat a component and let the magic smoke out of something expensive like the inverter or even the PMA (Permanent Magnet Alternator.. the component that actually produces the electricity). Holding that severe overload is a false benefit that could cost you big.

@livinganewdream3682 3 месяца назад

@@BKD70 Only if they have designed in sufficient engineering design margin. I design electronics for a living and typically we report user specs that are 20% under the max load designed use. That means, If I tell you it can do 4500w, then the unit was designed 20% over that to account for tolerances in components during manufacturing. So, the number published to the user is the real use number. No need for you to add in your own margin.

@donaldclark4350 2 года назад

Thank you

@roxsanambrosini2449 2 года назад

You're the Best...☺

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Thanks 🙏🏾

@lawrencesanchez8904 2 года назад

Great video! 👍 👍

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Thanks buddy 👍🏾

@lawrence7065 13 часов назад

I have 2 Cummins p4500’s . One has 2700+ hours on it and runs great. The other has 700+ hours and it broke the recoil cord, 2 carburetors and is broken again. It revs up and down like it’s calling for power. So my point is you never know what your going to get.

@yours8601 2 месяца назад

The fact that the breaker on the Onan did not trip scares the hell out of me. I will take safety over amount of power anytime. I think I'll be buying Westinghouse.

@billo1656 Год назад

I don't know if you had the eco mode on the Westinghouse if that made any difference? I would be concerned that the unit ran in an overload condition without shutting down.

@stephencarlisle6339 3 года назад

That is amazing. Onan must use better electronics. Gavin thank you!! Great video. 👍

@bcobrag 2 года назад

Looks like I’ll be buying the Onan

@erikturner5073 2 года назад

Both are well known name, and if your a history buff then you are aware that Westinghouse name is a piece of historical Americana. To this day and history they made everything from industrial broilers to typerwriters and contributed in both world wars. Then there is Cummins and mostly everyone has heard of that brand. Both are great name as far as products go. I was going to pickup a champion 4650 but today I'm ordering the Westinghouse 4500 instead. Plus from various sources the Westinghouse was reported to being the quietest. For my purposes I can sacrifice a little power for more stealth.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Thanks Erik! I liked the history info and thanks for watching.

@randybobandy9828 Год назад

Is Westinghouse really a known name when it comes to generators? I mean I haven't seen their generators before the past few years. I know Westinghouse has been around for over a century and they have made many household appliances, I even had a shitty low budget 32lcd 720p TV from them in 2006 lol. Paid $800 for it and that was considered a STEAL for that size in 2006! Wild. I just feel like their generators are just like any other cheap chinese knockoff brand and considering they are identical to Cummings confirms that. I just can't believe Cummings is willing to put their name on a cheap clone engine like that. Their diesel motors are know for their longevity.

@randybobandy9828 6 месяцев назад

@jesusisimmanuel735 yes it's just Cummins label

@margotwhyte821 3 года назад

Gavin, when you do the wave check, let's see what it looks like under load Thanks

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

No problem. Thanks for tip, I will do that next time

@rooseveltrainesjr7618 2 года назад

Thanks for the video I have a 18 wheeler an I'm looking for a remote start 4500

@djwilson48625 Год назад

Champion 4650watt is a great unit.

@stephenwhite5444 2 года назад

Great video! When you turn these on with the remote start to they start in eco mode? I've read reviews of them starting in eco then not automatically kicking over to normal power when it sees load. Has that been your experience when using remote start and eco mode?

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

So both generators have Manuel Eco switches so if you leave Eco switch on it’s gonna start in that mode The champion 4500 has automatic Eco mode so it always goes to eco-mode when remote start But the Westinghouse and the Cummins you can actually pick which one you want it started in

@izzymorgan2461 2 года назад

Awesome job! I know which one I'm buying

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Awesome 👏

@59plexi 2 года назад

damn thats a big as RV!!!

@Moneyhan1 Год назад

Love your video. Curious, what elevation were you at when running these tests? Looking at these but trying to see if they will be enough when elevation is at about 6,500 feet. For a 5th wheel with 2 AVs and typical electric goodies.

@Moneyhan1 Год назад

2 ACs

@GeneratorReviews Год назад

I’m in Texas so not much elevation almost at sea level

@Motox365 2 года назад

Hi Gavin looking for a generator for the house and or for camping. It’s become overwhelming with what’s out there you’re the man that seen most of them .what do you recommend 3600 to 4000. What’s your best bang for the buck model you would recommend duo fuel , remote start. Great videos by the way definitely a fan.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Thanks I would definitely recommend you watching my next duel fuel comparison video coming up 4500 DF Generator

@1dirteharry 2 года назад

does the westinghouse igen4500 have pure sine wave? you hooked up an ocilloscope to the cummins p4500i and showed that it has the pure sine wave.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Yes the Westinghouse 4500 is a pure sine wave inverter generator

@fisheye42 Год назад

Yes, in this video you can see the sine waves on the o-scope tablet -- At 13:03 for the WH, and at 13:25 for the Cummins. Both units claim THD

@lobosdenbbqco.3918 2 года назад

2 questions. What did you plug into the gen in the front? You plugged in the power for the RV then another plug? What’s the difference between eco mode and should it run on that all the time?

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

The plug was a ground bonding plug

@lobosdenbbqco.3918 2 года назад

@@GeneratorReviews great advice. I ordered one on Amazon, plugged it into my igen4500DF Westinghouse and the power surge open ground light turned off. Thanks for your help.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

@@lobosdenbbqco.3918 Nice 👍🏾

@MrNightro 2 года назад

The Westinghouse is actually the winner here since it protected the connected loads from a significant voltage drop of 12.5% (nominal voltage was 120 volts while the Onan dropped to 105 volts, Percentage of decrease = |120 - 105|/120 = 15/120 = 0.125 = 12.5% ). The NEC (National Electrical Code) allows for a maximum of a 3% voltage drop ( as per NEC 210.19(A)(1) for branch circuits, NEC 215.2(A)(4) for feeder circuits & a maximum of 1.5% drop on sensitive electronic equipment as per NEC 647.4(D)) on any circuit, so the Onan fell well outside of this requirement.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Well said!! I would have to agree with you. Thanks for watching 👍🏾

@ondaslab 3 года назад

Is operating above rated work load really a good thing? I'd go for Cummings just based on customer service reviews but would rather have it shutoff sooner if overloaded.

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

The generator might be under rated that’s very common with most of the big name brands like Honda Yamaha Generac Cummins they always give a little bit more power than they’re rated

@zozemasanita8199 Год назад

Gavin, when you get a chance, could you do a video on the Cummins 4500 high elevation kit? It has four additional jets for different elevations. Thanks.

@artpendergraft4989 3 года назад

I have worked on both, they are the same, different color. Onan for some reason does seem to work better

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

Yep I did this test three times 38.8 to 39.9 shut off but both were perfect. If you prefer blue vs gray and the customer service that’s the real decision here.

@artpendergraft4989 3 года назад

The customer service should be better with the onan but I wouldn’t bank on it. Good small engine technicians are getting hard to find.

@wyliesdiesels4169 Год назад

what is the make and model of the power monitoring unit you are using?

@JB-cw5uu 21 день назад

Hello I was hoping to get some advice from you I need a generator to replace my Onan microqiet 4k I’m considering these 3 options Champion 4650 with remote start gasoline inverter Genmax 4800 efi remote start gas with the extended run cap tapped into my coach fuel system And the Westinghouse i5000 inverter gas remote start I run one ac unit a microwave lights and coffee maker Do you think any of these would be best suited , my plan is to plumb the exhaust out the Rv like the onan and put a fan in the compartment for cooling and leave it installed on the tray that’s they I was thinking the Genmax would work best with that cap but honestly I’m not sure if it would overwork it

@GeneratorReviews 21 день назад

Why don’t you call me? We can chat about this. www.gavins-garage.com/

@joshuadereu7967 2 года назад

DO you have soft starts installed in your ac units

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Yes I installed it on both of my ac they are a must if you want to run the RV on your generator

@Gopher7 3 года назад

I enjoyed the comparison, but I really do thing that the 2 gensets are identical. Perhaps the Westinghouse had a circuit breaker that was a little weaker? Cannot believe the Cummins held at 38 amps as long as it did on a 30 amp breaker. That should be concerning. Where is the protection? In any case, I bought a Cummins some time back just because of the dealer network if something goes wrong. Great job on the video!

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

Thanks 🙏🏾

@Flyingfinn82 3 года назад

Great video. Would you be able to do a review on the Generac IQ3500? Looks like an amazing generator but hard to get

@utubetjc 3 года назад

Also interested in his comprehensive analysis. I bought one last month and very pleased so far. My genny collection includes: Honda EU2000i, Generac iQ2000, iQ3500, Westinghouse WPro 8500 and iGen 2500.

@jamesjudd6577 2 года назад

You nailed it. Onan is same engine but has better inverter .

@bschena 2 года назад

Citation needed. That would be important, if true.

@Josh-vg8cx 3 года назад

Great video! I think I’ve made my decision

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

Awesome thanks for watching Subscribe and share

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

Which one did you pick?

@Josh-vg8cx 3 года назад

Went with Cummins. Just ran it for 3 days over the weekend and very impressed. Only thing is my surge protector was reading open neutral. Any ideas? Guess it’s normal for some. My buddy’s Firmin was reading open ground.

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

@@Josh-vg8cx all generator comes with a open neutral you solve that problem by buying a bonding plug Thanks for watching

@andres9654 3 года назад

Are any of these Dual Fuel? If so can I connect them to a Natural Gas with some sort of adaptor? Thanks for the advise

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

They are gas Generators the one you thinking about is tri fuel

@lospanchos68 3 года назад

I have a Yamaha 2000 and a generac iq 2000 with a generac parallel kit ( plug 🔌 style ) and from watching your videos I’m assuming they should work just fine?? Both are inverter generators. Excuse my ignorance and thanks for your help.

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

Yessir you’re good to go. As long as both generators are inverter generators and are parallel capable you’re good to go. It doesn’t have to be the exact same generators as long as they close in specs parallel capable you’re OK with a parallel kit👍🏾

@michaelbartholome6079 3 года назад

I appreciate the video but I'm not sure I agree the Onan is a "clear winner". Personally I feel the Westinghouse is the winner in this case. The Onan continued to power in a low voltage condition, around 105. This is well outside the states specifications. The Westinghouse disconnected the load and went into overload once the load exceeded the rated specs. This is exactly what should happen.

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

I agree with you! It was just really close but I know you guys love a good Battle and someone gotta Win. 38.9 to 39.9 but the top end low voltage was low. Thanks for watching buddy 👍🏾

@chicagochris1988 3 года назад

I’d buy another Westinghouse any day over that copy. I’ve had one for a year not this model but the 3600 open frame, I’ve started it on the first pull every time even in -20f weather to keep my electric heaters running with the furnace on in the winter, never had an issue, honestly for testing wise those are not designed to run a dual ac coach. I’ve never blown a circuit on my with 3600 running watts in my 28 foot travel trailer. Run the air and microwave all at the same time. Plus it’s more efficient if you stay in a camper to always have the refrigerator run on propane. A 30 pound tank takes care of my fridge and cooking for nearly a month. Good review tho I enjoyed it

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

Thanks for watching 🙏🏾

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

These are the kind of comments I really enjoy reading, offer something to the community. humble and polite Thanks 🙏🏾

@brianallen0826 2 года назад

I have a 28ft travel trailer with a 15k ac unit, I need to get an inverter generator, as I have a 10500,7500 troybilt but it's too loud and too heavy to use as a power source for camping. I am thinking of getting a softstart installed, but one of these gens may work well

@barker3877 2 года назад

I wish the Onan came with a diesel option and fuel connectivity to the RV’s diesel fuel tank.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

That’s a great point.

@arpinkus 2 года назад

Curious results as Westinghouse (I believe) makes the Cummings inverter. They look exactly the same.

@MrThisIsMeToo 2 года назад

They are exactly the same, down to every nut and bolt. Just the paint is different. There are videos on RU-vid of people who work and repair these generators everyday stating such.

@rpbonnette 2 года назад

So if I’m understanding what happened, it was that your SurgeGuard shut off power to the RV when the Westinghouse voltage dropped below the 103v threshold whereas the Onan never dropped below 103v during the full one minute test with the microwave running. Is that a fair assessment of what occurred. In essence the Westinghouse produced less voltage when placed under full load, while the Onan produced just a bit more voltage under the same conditions.

@BKD70 3 месяца назад

Great point! I'd rather see the gen cut off at that overload rather than try to pull that severe overload and end up frying the inverter or the generator itself.

@mannyfragoza9652 3 года назад

Garvin have you seen these yet maybe you can be the first to review one ALP GENERATOR 1000 W - ORANGE / GRAY Propane Generator

@GeneratorReviews 3 года назад

Wow that’s the propane only generator in a 1000w nice 👍🏾

@madweazl 2 года назад

I'm not sure how anyone would come to the conclusion that one was better than the other when the difference in performance was about 2-3%. This would certainly be within margins of error and product variation from unit to unit. With equivalent warranties, it would be nice to know how said warranties would be handled (though I suspect they go to the same place for work/customer service).

@randybobandy9828 Год назад

I mean they are identical units and were probably built right next to each other in the same factory. Price is what I would be more concerned with vs warranty. Part wouldn't matter because you could use parts from either unit.

@jerrygaona6162 10 месяцев назад

Westinghouse makes the Onan generator for Onan. They just change the color of the plastic and slap Onan stickers on it. Onan just charges more for the Onan name

@waynetaylor2231 2 года назад

Noticed the Cummins voltage dropped down to 103 volts under max load. If I’m correct under 114 volts is bad for your circuits. I feel it should have tripped as well.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Yep it should have tripped the circuit

@fisheye42 Год назад

I appreciate the O-scope test of their sine wave output. For reference: At 13:03 for the Westinghouse igen4500, and at 13:25 for the Onan Cummins P4500I. They both claim

@GeneratorReviews Год назад

I don’t think the one I use has this feature

@stevenludwig3429 2 года назад

I'll take the Westinghouse because it shut down and protected against low voltage.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

The Westinghouse is an Excellent choice.👍🏾

@johnfritz3792 2 года назад

Hi, any idea what the db’s where when it was running hard? I need to be at or below 65 db’s at 15’

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

I did all the test at 20 feet, so I will run it and retest it for you.

@Jrev900 2 года назад

He showed 59db at 10ft.

@debsschool6421 2 года назад

question, I have been comparing dual fuel Westinghouse inverter 4500 with Champion DF 4500 - my Main question remaining is...when running on Gasoline - do either have a true Gas Shut Off without removing a panel to drain the fuel from carb/lines when shutting down?

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

Hi Deb The Westinghouse non df has a shut off valve but neither one of the dual fuel generators are able to shut off the fuel to the carburetor

@debsschool6421 2 года назад

@@GeneratorReviews So - which is "easier" to access then to drain the carb or lines of fuel/tank/for s Non mechanic lady but who likes to do things right? if I need gas for a big event *run out of propane* want one that will last. No shut off - do you find this troubling? I would like df, the only one this size/weight range I saw a true fuel shut off was Duromax but price, weight and lack of time on market has me nervous.

@GeneratorReviews 2 года назад

I would go with the champion it’s quieter it has zero issues And it runs harder

@armondk1 2 года назад

Same exact machines. Safety switch just activated faster. 2 other machines would in all probability react different as well.

@djwilson48625 Год назад

Agreed. A good follow up video would be a de-casing and proving what we know, and that is that they are the same machine. Even better yet, 2 of the same "brand" side by side.