What’s Going On with this DECK?

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What is going on with this deck? Beams supporting beams supporting other beams. Definitely needs an extra support in here.
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@ChristianWagner888 4 месяца назад

If in doubt, ask an engineer who can calculate the loads on these beams and connections. This is convoluted way of transferring the load, but it might still work.

@user-bg9xx1mt5p 3 месяца назад

The small doubler is being carried by the doubler on the out. The small doubler isn’t carrying any weight. Framing is absolutely fine. What you need to be concerned about is if they did run the joists inside how is it flashed?

@user-ti7yt9vj2f 4 месяца назад

Oh heck yes that corner is well l wouldn't even walk on it, could you imagine the time 20 or 30 people got together up there because it is a big deck for big gatherings

@joegroszbach4620 4 месяца назад

This is what happens when you pay your help with beer!😁

@kayn70 4 месяца назад

Thank you for waking through that! There should absolutely be a support there.

@kevint1910 4 месяца назад

my money is on the actual engineers and inspectors at the building department having done their job when they accepted the plans and signed off at finial rather than some rando tweeker "home inspector's" half azzed guesses.

@todd5082 3 месяца назад

U could add 1 or 2 more support posts (w/footer) and definitely secure that sliding post.

@bwall7116 4 месяца назад

The load path is complex but ultimately complete, the sizing of the members is what’s questionable, most notably that longest double joist as it collects that whole end of the deck and is an appreciable span.

@patty109109 4 месяца назад

Agree. At first I thought oh damn that’s wrong, but you can see the 2x thick joists where they need to be. Questionable yes but definitely wrong maybe not.

@BT-kt7gb 4 месяца назад

I was asking the same thing. Where is the bean in the middle. The homeowner probably didn't want one there. Hence, the reason why they did what they did and got confused with the actual structure integrity of the deck.

@kevint1910 4 месяца назад

...that is not how city permitted and inspected structures get built. you dont get to tell the building department engineers "no" or they dont let you build it and if you do they make you demolish it or pay fines for every day you fail to comply.

@JohnD-JohnD 3 месяца назад

I see that double joist from the house to the double board on the front, then bringing another double to that first support that needs to be re-anchored. Honestly, that's probably pretty solid. Extending the joists into the house should also help improve strength. If in doubt, have a structural engineer look at it.

@tonyhayes5188 4 месяца назад

None of the deck components are over spanned or overloaded. Those 2x12's can carry a lot more load in the simple span. The cantilever is not supporting the deck, it's resting on the joists sitting on the wall.

@LucidDreamer54321 4 месяца назад

Please don't work in construction.

@kevint1910 4 месяца назад

@@LucidDreamer54321 what you just told him is "i am an idiot who has never pulled a permit or built a damn thing in my life" building departments have engineers who approve the plans and inspectors who certify that the structure is built according to the approved drawings. the very first words out of the tweeker home inspector fukwit's mouth was "it passed inspection"...why he chose to run his mouth after that is a mystery to any one actually in the trades.

@LucidDreamer54321 4 месяца назад

@kevint1910 What you just told me is "I have nothing better to do with my life except be a RU-vid troll and post nonsense on topics that I know absolutely nothing about." Okay, I got your message.

@LucidDreamer54321 3 месяца назад

@meateater4life551 So you admit that it should have been built differently. Thank you. Also, I did not say it was going to fall down. If you think I did, then I challenge you to read through this thread again. You should try replying to actual comments instead of ones you create in your imagination. That might work better.

@michaelensley1636 4 месяца назад

Even though it looks like a cluster with all the beams it's fine. The main deck has all the support it needs. The 6x6 post is only supporting the small deck under the bay window. I wouldn't worry about it. Just fix the moving post and enjoy your deck.

@LucidDreamer54321 4 месяца назад

Please don't work in construction.

@fella6676 4 месяца назад

Quit obvious you don't have a clue on building codes, please don't build nothing

@LucidDreamer54321 4 месяца назад

@fella6676 "don't build nothing" So you are saying I should build something. Okay, I will.

@LucidDreamer54321 4 месяца назад

@fella6676 "Quit" obvious??

@drfunkfunk2637 4 месяца назад

Get too many people up there....and down it will come. Hope nobody is chilling underneath when it happens. I am a construction guy.....

@johnlarkin549 4 месяца назад

Just needs a post to support the underside of double joist connection where your finger is pointed on the still on the cover shot otherwise it seems ok if all the brackets and hangars are secured with the correct amount of fasteners. Put it this way I’ve seen a lot worse that’s survived the test of time 😁

@lanep4322 3 месяца назад

Yep, that inside corner spot should have a vertical support. As you noted, wayyy too many connections going on before they find vertical support.

@hotpuppy1 4 месяца назад

It's messy, but it looks OK. That little extension doesn't carry that much weight. The only issue I would see is at the end of the main deck with the doubled joist that supports the small deck extension not over the post. Is the joist doubled at the end large enough?

@jimsbcarp 4 месяца назад

Agreed my friend! That and the double trimmer joist capacity. Probably fine though.

@jayrussell3796 4 месяца назад

That things load support is all the screws lol

@MacPhuck Месяц назад

A couple of points: Importantly, I see three posts carrying the far away end of the deck, with a span that looks like about 7 feet. That rim joist can easily carry a bit of extra weight, so the inner doubled joist that carries the shorter (parallel) doubled rim joist should be fine, though I would add a third joist, since it's basically the main beam and the span looks like about 14 feet. It would have been better for the doubled rim joist to be tripled and carry it, but it looks like there's an interruption under the bay window, which they boxed out, and hung off the doubled joist...mechanical/hvac, or maybe a gas line, who knows, they didn't want to run the tripler through. I don't understand the doubler from the corner of the bay window to the short rim joist, maybe something inside the building ? If possible I would eliminate that.

@KING-FU 4 месяца назад

Total live load… structure / components, furnishings, plus live loading… (factoring max occupants) typically dictates the size of the joists to be used, as well as the necessary load rating of the beam hangars / connections and supports. Obviously it’s better as a home inspector to err on the safe side… like others stated, if you’re worried and it’s out of your area of expertise, recommend in writing to have a P.E. / Structural Engineer review and Certify the structure to limit your own liability. After that’s completed and the Buyer / Seller / or Realtors are pissed off that you “cost” someone $1-$1,500 unnecessarily, you’ll be long gone, still in business and doing your future inspections. Reality. JS

@glennstanley2892 4 месяца назад

The dbl joist is pocketed into the wall on one end and hung into a flush beam which is supported at both ends by a column. This is the load path. Whether any of these beams are adequate is another story. You can have a beam to beam to beam type connection w/o proper support, kind of an endless load path that goes around in circles, but I don't see this here because of the column on the outside corner of the deck

@bobcougar77 Месяц назад

It's definitely not elegant, but I think it's complete... Not sure about the size of that long doubled joist to carry all those connections but it's probably fine as the actual area isn't huge. I'm more concerned about the lack of resistance to racking. A deck that tall will sway and shake like crazy without any diagonal bracing. I also live in earthquake country so we are always overdoing the sway bracing. It's pretty rare I build a deck of any size that doesn't have full diagonal "V" bracing underneath. Any post we build will also have diagonal bracing.

@Balleknep 2 месяца назад

If someone wanted to be an inspector like you, what education path should one take? Asking for friend..

@raymondmartinez845 4 месяца назад

Attaching a deck to a cantilever does not meet code. The deck will have to be a free standing deck which will require more posts.

@joecool4656 4 месяца назад

It’s almost like they messed up there the short board connects to the main section of the deck. They went one beam too far and they had to double it up

@travishodges5179 26 дней назад

It’s probably as good or better than the house itself, especially if it passed inspection

@michaelc.3812 4 месяца назад

This is why we need engineers, standards and codes. OMG!!

@jimnorthland2903 4 месяца назад

A little common sense wouldn't hurt either!

@KC9UDX 4 месяца назад

That is why people who beleive we need regulations and regulators should stay in the city.

@Sarutaru06 4 месяца назад

It has nothing to do with standards and codes. It's basic framing knowledge that loads need to be transferred to a solid foundation on the ground. While there are professionals who know how to do this the right way and engineers who test the theoretical numbers as well as inventing/improving new and better ways of doing this, I don't need a man with a gun threatening jail time to tell me that. There ARE standards and codes. This still happens. It's the overreliance on expertise that has created a nation of idiots that don't know how to build anything, let alone a basic structure that civilizations have been building for ages.

@Sarutaru06 4 месяца назад

It's sloppy and it definitely feels like there should be a beam under that corner where the 2-plys meet. It looks like the real issue is that the weight bearing for the house side do not match the end of the deck and vice-versa, so that each joist carrying the load is only supported on one end. All that weight transferring to the center of the deck is probably what pulled that post out of alignment as they sagged to that point. Those 2x joists are surprisingly rigid (especially with decking acting as diagonal bracing), so that's probably what's holding the porch together so well despite the fact that it's basically floating at that point.

@williampage3463 4 месяца назад

The double joist may be sized to carry the other loads. Send me the deck measurements and I will check to see if the double joists works.

@henrymiecz8566 2 месяца назад

It's easy to criticize but I'm not hearing any alternate designs because there isn't one. You want to extend the short beam across the middle of the deck? Well then you would have to separate 20 joists. No way that deck would sag since the first joist is doubled. You think a double joist would sag? If you are so worried about sag then put a support beam down but then you have another beam. The framing is actually fine your problem should be with the design of the deck. Either cut it short and get rid of the smaller part and make a square or make it bigger. Everyone has a big mouth and a big brain until you ask them what they would do then crickets!

@NotSexualAtAll 3 месяца назад

The concern to me is that support beam appears to be walking off the pad. There may be enough structure in the joists to carry the downward loads but may not be proper for lateral or differential loading of the deck.

@adamstrzelski2640 4 месяца назад

What about the other beam?

@beans4gas 4 месяца назад

My biggest concern is they left the stickers on the brackets.

@minovskyecm3596 4 месяца назад

Inspectors, worth the $$ every time. (this deck passed inspection).

@DONNIEWATKINS 4 месяца назад

Good Call On the Video !~!~ I Agree :):)

@bigdog1150 4 месяца назад

I was wondering if the city inspectors got 10 or 15% for the approval?

@AngelSanchez-mq9vw 4 месяца назад

Definitely is missing a support

@GoatzombieBubba 4 месяца назад

Put a 1/4 inch plywood up as a ceiling to cover that and call it good.

@freday2005 4 месяца назад

The beam on the top of the post to your right should be a triple running back to the house all the way. The header coming from the post on your left should be a double to carry the joists that are running back to the building. Then the double header on the left supporting those 4 or 5 joists would be placing one end of its weight on a post and the other end on the triple that is running between the house on one end and the post on the other. This framing could have been 1000 times simpler with a ledger properly secured and flashed off the house and proper 16 OC joist/framing techniques. 😂

@dsm9785 4 месяца назад

That’s enough to give a structural engineer a migraine! It’s messed up, but a post in that corner would definitely help. Micky Mouse must have been doing this with Goofy 🤪

@branDS2480 4 месяца назад

I'll build a porch with bubble gum. But if it doesn't pass inspection I'm out a lot of bubble gum.

@geraldo6205 Месяц назад

just put another 8x8 with a proper footing & foundation 42inches deep i suppose

@jimnorthland2903 4 месяца назад

I live in a rainforest & the wall of the house would be rotting in six months. If I wanted a deck it would be under an overhang near the house, treated wood, free standing with sway bracing. Not a carpenter.

@patty109109 4 месяца назад

It’s a little strange, but I am actually not convinced It’s a problem the more I look at it. It’s doubled up where it needs to be-the guy who did it absolutely understood how to transfer the load. I couldn’t say if it’s within a calculated load but if it’s not it’s not wildly off. I suspect it will be okay. The post base movement absolutely needs to be corrected for sure. If the joists are attached to the cantilever of the house that is certainly dubious.

@bassfan41 4 месяца назад

first question is, why the beams in the first place. no reason for any of that 😂

@u.sonomabeach6528 2 месяца назад

It doesn’t look like it’s about to fall….it looks like it’s about to explode

@LucidDreamer54321 4 месяца назад

No big deal. The deck won't collapse until the entire family is on it.

@vaughncoates4664 4 месяца назад

Wait till they put the hot tub on it 😂

@guytech7310 4 месяца назад

The only real major issue I see is the cantilevered rim board to the house on the left side. I have doubts how well the load is able to transfer into the house. I would recommend a support beam there. On the where the two sections of the joist mean in a inside corner, That is easy to fix with a new beam under the corner. The rest looks pretty solid.

@smcad2000 3 месяца назад

There's only 1 correct answer. Do the layout, get the distances, take the loads according to local code, and do the calcs. Doesn't look right? Neither does just about any Frank Gerhy design... but there they stand.

@jimsbcarp 4 месяца назад

So I have been in this business for 40 years. The load paths are quite easy to follow. No support there is needed. But this is pretty ugly. I would question the double trimmer joist capacity though. Otherwise load paths are fine. Not a very intelligent review of the deck framing I have to say.

@Tom-cf5if 2 месяца назад

Agreed!!!

@aservant2287 2 месяца назад

You're right. This guy has no clue how structural bearing points work. It's fine. They even went passed the box out to hit something solid. Lol typically most inspectors have never built a deck in their lives and create a video showing how they don't know.

@kraptastic333 4 месяца назад

Its an unsupported cantilever

@matthewclark8651 4 месяца назад

Yeah but they used brackets

@celestialtl 4 месяца назад

That looks fine. This is what happens when inspectors think they are in charge, but really they are just as bad as art critics…..useless and not doing any work themselves… just complaining

@tomsnowden6201 2 месяца назад

lol okay buddy. You sound like one of the many uneducated guys who would bitch and moan whenever I pointed out a safety issue at my old conpeny …you might have heard of Boeing recently 😉

@snowgorilla9789 4 месяца назад

Now think if it was a wedding party or? with all of your family and buddies on that contraption. Look real close. Bet you rent a hall.

@portlandhousecarpentry7158 4 месяца назад

just waving your finger at the connections??? are you an engineer? i'll help the channel by commenting

@timyanke9559 4 месяца назад

looks like to much jim beam

@jsol3779 23 дня назад

It's just poor planning, if they moved the outside post over to carry the load they could have eliminated 75% of that nonsense.

@user-ru7lw6rm3u 4 месяца назад

If they throw a party and by chance the party happens to move to the deck the deck in going to the drunk tank 😂

@clintonjewell7115 4 месяца назад

Beam here , beam there connected to this beam........gibberish

@billhamilton7524 6 дней назад

add one post ,,problem solved

@bdpgarage 4 месяца назад

There are load paths present, just not as straightforward as normal design.

@johnkeviljr9625 4 месяца назад

That is terribly tortured framing. WTF?

@dosadoodle 4 месяца назад

That deck appears to be structural to at least a small portion of the house's cantilever section. More on that below. How I'm seeing it with my unprofessional eye: 1st) The 2 joists on the far right (running parallel to the house's exterior wall), which both have a load path to the ground. 2nd) The 2 joists that dive into #1 and then stretch all the way back to the house. I guess that's probably secure enough to run regular joists. 3rd) (a) The 2 joists you first pointed to on the unsecured load path is then supported by that load path + the beam from #2. (b) Plus #2 supports the additional 2 joist that we can just barely see that run parallel with the house's side and run into the cantilevered section -- I think that joist is actually what is supporting the other joists, because there was otherwise no reason to run that ... more thoughts on that below about the structural integrity of the cantilevered section of the house. 4th) All the remainder joists seem run run off of #1, #2, and #3. I don't know how many steps are allowed before it is considered insufficient ... everything is reliant on #1 not failing or weakening/sagging over time. I don't know why the framers didn't run the 2 joists from #2 from the load path all the way back to the house instead of positioning those in the middle of #1. My guess is that this was the original plan, but someone accidentally cut through those 2 joists and they improvised. Also ... that cantilever section. If the beams from #3b do in fact run into that cantilever section and support the other deck joists in #4, then that means the outside wall of the cantilever section of the house is actually being supported by the deck joists (yikes). We can't be sure what's going on there ... #3b might only run to the other double joist that dives into #3a? Hopefully so that it is only supporting a very small section of the cantilever... And what a nightmare to air seal where the deck dives into that cantilever. Terrible design and/or implementation.

@falim4972 4 месяца назад

Unless you're a structural engineer and have done calcs I'm not sure anything is wrong here. You have what looks like a double 2x12 carrying that load to a double rim joist. And the rest look to be 16" OC. Hangers look to be appropriated used and installed. As long as the ledger board is installed correctly and post connections are good not seeing a problem. Obviously the post connection to concrete needs fixed.

@tygrahof9268 4 месяца назад

Wait, you can't support 20 tons of weight on one post? whodathunk...

@raffly4449 4 месяца назад

What a joke !!!

@fernandoc.136 4 месяца назад

I just realized all your videos are of you walking around bad mouthing other people's work. Do you have any videos of something you've built that you can upload so that other people can criticize you as well?