Very powerful and important message. It's hard to overstate the fear and trauma I suffered as a child from the hellfire and damnation preaching of our southern Baptist preachers. It makes me so angry that preachers with the even larger pulpits of the internet and television are terrifying even greater numbers today.
Perhaps we need to attribute that trauma to the preachers and not to the book of revelation itself. And I'm sorry that you went through that. It's unfortunate that so many people have poor experience in the churches due to extremely poor leadership. I also grew up in a conservative church and I have learned to separate what the human is presenting from what the Bible states
@@Sportliveonline take away revelations and Jehovah's Witnesses have nothing. It's kinda ironic how their entire religion was stolen was from the 1800's religious cult The Millerites. What's even crazier is how Charles Tazer Russell was a member of that cult and he along with the originator of the 7th day Adventist made their respective religions after tbr Millerites disbanded.
NT: we are dreaming of a world where God destroys the subjugating boot of this age and we live in oneness with God Revelation: but what if we get to BE the boot?
This could be the most powerful, moving, and thoughtful video I have seen by Dan so far. And I watch hundreds of his videos. This one really makes me think.
My mom locked me up as a kid in the woods hiding waiting for god to come back, i ran away when i got old enough and im still dealing with problems from how she raised me as an end times nut job
Revelation was a huge part of my time in the church in the 80s and 90s. Our youth group showing the series, Thief in the Night, as a movie night. Traumatic imagery and horrific rhetoric from the pulpit. I recently was told that a lot of that 70s and 80s apocalyptic focus on revelation was sparked by a book called, the late great planet earth by Hal Lindsey and Carla/Carole Carlson. I haven't personally read this book. But according to the extensive internet research I've watched on tiktok and RU-vid, it was a major contributor to my childhood trauma. Lol. Great work Dan. I love your insights into these subjects.
I actually hear Hal Lindsey speak several decades ago. His fear mongering at the time was based on geopolitcal situations that have changed completely. I could never figure out why christians have such a morbid fascination with the "end times." Actually I can figure it out: beleiving that Jesus is coming soon relieves you of an personal responsibility to try and make the word a better place.
I think the reason the church canonized it is because it's a great item to control the masses; look how well control the Christians are by Their fear.... They've been waiting on the end of the world for over two thousand years why do Christians hate life so much??! I figure at this point any kind of prophecies that appear to be coming through are self-made, these Christians have been working on this for the last seventy years and this is what the Christians want that's destruction and Hell... 😢
Yeah, that _Thief in the Night_ movie came out when I was just a kiddo (mid-70’s) and our church showed it to the entire congregation. Every time I lost my mom in the grocery store was terrifying, thinking she’d been raptured and somehow my salvation experience must not have worked. Several years later I was with a group driving home from summer camp and the chaperones stopped at this roadside waterfalls for a toilet break. I waited for another girl at the van who’d lost her shoes while everyone went up to the bathrooms. We were 10-15 minutes behind them and when we got up there no one was to be seen. We were freaking out, going back to the van, back to the bathrooms, gift shop, eatery. Finally, we decided to try the trail to the falls. And that’s where they were - on an 1.5 hour detour without telling us. That poor girl and I were trying to figure out all kinds of contingencies. We were 10 or 11 and trying to figure out how to travel 60+ miles to our homes, wondering if any of our siblings were still on earth or if they’d been raptured. It was horrible, those instances. Hal Lindsay had a few books out besides _The Late, Great Planet Earth_ and they even made COMIC BOOKS for kids of one of those books (There’s a New World Coming). I shudder to think of those days - Then in the 90’s Tim LaHaye came out with his _Left Behind_ series.
@@MrRezillo- Yes, big on the Gog-Magog/Russia-China thing. And then Glasnost came in the 80’s and the wall came down in ‘89, confusing everyone. Then there were those who said Gorbachev must be the Beast because of the mark on his head. LOL. And what’s nuts is that the same people who would have panned Putin in the 1980’s think he’s not so bad today. Crazy. What’s sad is that in the 80’s and 90’s Evangelicals were on board with fixing climate change issues, calling it “creation care.” But then it wasn’t what the oil lobby (among others) wanted so it was poo-pooed. Now my church friends tell me that they don’t care because Jesus will come again and make a new earth & new heaven. So why bother being good stewards? 🤦🏻♀️ 🤦🏻♀️ 🤦🏻♀️
Great job Dan! The best summary of Revelation I've ever heard. If you look at how evangelicals are selling "end times preparedness" as a product it's not hard to see why this modern interpretation gained popularity.
Love how Dan is presenting the academic perspective on the bible, no matter what you believe in this is really helpful information to correct misinformation and misinterpretation.
As a Christian, what always puzzled me about Revelation, is how hostile is towards... Christians. It seems to me most of the book is about Christians not sinning, and if they sin, they God to Hell, Jesus spits them out, etc. I never, ever saw it as a book of consolation.
Those events describe in Revelation supposed to happened in their lifetime. Why would John give them letters to the 7 churches, if is a future event? never they going to see it? Revelation 1;1 is clear that Jesus was supposed to return in their lifetime! Even Paul thought so to.
It is not about sinning alone. It is about being a perpetual sinner and not repenting and not asking for forgiveness. So don't damn yourself listening to Dan. There is good in everyone n it overwhelms the times we stray. U cannot be a serial offender n try to get away.Even the common law of the land does not permit such acts.
Long ago, one of the 'Go To' sermons that the pastor of a local Pentecostal church would fall back on when he lacked inspiration was cribbed from Revelation and the 'Seven Churches' chapters. Unfortunately he would twist 'Lukewarm churches' into 'Lukewarm Christians' and present a forceful, challenging message that was at best weakly based on scripture. I wish he could have seen Dan's video and maybe come off his 'high horse' and gain some wisdom.
I'm halfway through Bart Ehrman's book Armageddon. It's such a fantastic read. So succinct and clear with a good bit of wit sprinkled throughout. This video is such a lovely sort of Cliff Notes or addendum to his book as well as to the proper way to approach Revelation (and apocalyptic literature in general) in an intellectually honest way.
@@seankennedy4284 it's a book by a writer for people in his time abbot what he thought was about to happen dealing with Rome. Its not prophetic for people in the 20th century or th 21st century. It was written for people in the 1st century and was the writers expectation of what would happen within his lifetime.
Very interesting in the perspective shift from espoused modern to the intended recipients. Would you be willing to do a more comprehensive historical comparison of 1st century ce events that Christians of the time would be able to look at and compare the literary framework to?
The first book I read as a newly minted Christian and impressionable teenager in 1972 was The Late Great Planet Earth, which is basically Hal Lindsay's amplification of the narrative of Revelation. That scared the living crap out of me. 'Then I saw Rev 1:1 - where it says "SIGNIFIED." So it's not much different from Dicken's scathing social comment of The Christian Carol. (Which nobody understands that it shows that the British elitist society DID turn things around at the end of that story in the person of the transformed Scrooge.)
Revelation is about the judgment of God on the old Adamic and cursed world. It is not merely about abusive power and wealth being taken from one group and given to another, to then be abused some more. It is about the end of a system of oppression and the beginning of Christ’s kingdom, which is one of peace and justice. It is the stone smashing the statue of Daniel 2.
Christian's have been waiting for the return of Christ for about 2000 years. The early apostles thought Jesus would return in their life time. Grew up in the south east as a Fundamentalist Christian and many Christians have a persecution complex that is all in their heads.
Do you think Joseph Smith somehow, perhaps unaware, adopted the book of Revelation/apocalypse motif in some of his Revelations? (ie D&C 88, 45, 77, maybe 133)
Joseph Smith, a convicted conman, "dictated" the Book of Mormon behind a blanket with a pike of books. He was picking and choosing from these texts, as modern day scholars have figured out
Does Revelation theologically allign more with ancient Judaic ideas of a Messiah and establishing an empire then, rather than the rest of the NT? Or am I completely off base?
I am definitely one of those people who was really affected by Revelations growing up. Heck, I still am. I am having a hard time with your reasoning that it isn't like the rest of the New Testament though, because Jesus specifically makes references to how the poor and oppressed will get a great "reward in heaven" and that the evil will be sorted and thrown into the fire. Any branch that doesn't bare good fruit will the thrown away and all that. Could you further explain how these promises that Jesus made about the future don't align with the book of Revelation? Because in my eyes it's always seemed uncomfortably cohesive with rest of the new testament Canon (especially Romans 9)
I think you are missing some information here. I am Christian too so I will try to explain both sides. As Christians we are raised and taught that god's word -bible- it's inspired by the holy spirit and different authors wrote it. This would work only if you take the Bible with a broad point of view, so with only the general idea of it. What this and other RU-vidrs do, is to study the text, the way it is written and why. In general we have 5 types of Jesus. The one in Mark, the one in Matthew and Luke, the one in John, the one in Paul and the one in revelation. If you wonder why these 'jesus' are different, then you should check videos about 'historical Jesus'. What the video is saying, is that the Jesus in the gospel is way different from the one in the apocalypse. The one in the gospel is loving and the one in the apocalypse likes torture and revenge. The reason why this Jesus is different it's because when the book was written, it was a war-moment or a moment where there was oppression. So the author wanted people to hurry up and become Christian telling them that they shouldn't worry because their oppressors would get what they "asked for" aka "karma will hit them after they die" If you think as a Christian, it sounds good for this book to be the last book in the Bible, but if you study the text, it is separated from the rest of the Bible and the message that the Bible brings. In fact, is the only 'end of the world' book, apart from Daniel, but the author of revelation probably read Daniel before writing the book Daniel was written 120 before Christ And revelation was written 120 years after Christ (Year 0)
I think the intended meaning, for anyone looking anyway, was that God 💃🤖 is going to *use humans* for a thing. Let's call it Bar Mitzvah. God wants humans to be *good workers* and develop loyalty, so they can help with the Bar Mitzvah happen. That only doesn't make sense with how contrived modern Christians argue their God's actions are, because then it would have been easier to do it itself. Also, they *assert* God made humans have the qualities they have and thus would just be able to make humans good workers directly.
Those events describe in Revelation supposed to happened in their lifetime. Why would John give them letters to the 7 churches, if is a future event? never they going to see it? Revelation 1;1 is clear that Jesus was supposed to return in their lifetime! Even Paul thought so to.
Probably the most efficient commentary on whether of not "The Book of Revelation" is the one and only roadmap for the End Times, is that it is not the only Apocalyptic story in the Bible. You have Daniel 7, and at least one or two more.
On many occasions, I have encountered street preachers who love to use Revelations as a basis for their attacks on anyone, Christian, agnostic, atheist, Jew, or whatever. It is offensive and ignorant.
The best explanation of Revelation I've seen is Whittemore (1848) _A Commentary on the Revelation of St. John, the Divine._ The PERSUASIVE claim is made that John is the author, and wrote this as a prophecy regarding the soon fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The balance of evidence strongly suggests not a late date of writing for this book (AD 95), but an early one.
Excellent! The powerful and in high places, those who claim "divine authority" are the first ones to marginalize, oppress and ostracize, those who they adduce are the enemies of or a danger to the "institution" and their status.
I guess the question I might have after this is how should the Book of Revelation be used if there’s anything to get out of it. The only idea I’m having right now sounds like seeing it as cathartic writing.
@@rebeccacampbell585The meaning is pretty clear: "We feel better if we fantasize about the people we don't like getting tortured". We should be careful not to presuppose that a random 2000 year old book is good for anything. If it appears useful, that is great, use it. But maybe it is not useful and should be ignored.
In Revelation s the Greeks copied parts of Ezekiel being self evident and undeniable. 🌄 However there is no " end times doomsday" in Judaism Hebrew Scripture. There is a new good beginning for all mankind as described in Isaiah 2 and 11 Ezekiel 37.. תודה רבה
I've heard that Hebrew letters have numeric value and spelling Nero Caesar adds up to 666. I'd love to hear from you if this has any basis in logic and science or if it is hogwash
Nero seems to be a good fit. "Using the cipher language of gematria, he names Nero as “the Beast” (in ancient languages such as Hebrew and Greek, letters served double-duty as numbers. Thus, it was common to refer to someone without actually saying their name by stating the number that the letters in their name adds up to). *Well, Ceasar Nero’s name adds up to 666, and he was ruling and persecuting the church during the time that the book of Revelation was written. In fact, some manuscripts of the Book of Revelation have the number read ‘616’, which turns out to add up to a slightly less formal version of Nero’s name!), thus clearly indicating that the end was supposed to be imminent."* *"ex-apologist: On One of the Main Reasons Why I Think Christianity is False (Reposted)"*
@gekksvide0 It was written in Green by someone thinking in Hebrew. The difference is in Nero vs. Neron Caesar for 616 vs. 666. Domitian was the Emperor at the time who was seen as the reincarnation of Nero with his persecution of Jews and the Jewish followers of Jesus (or early Xians if you prefer as Xianity really wasn't its own entity yet).
When I was a college Freshman back in 1971, campuses all across the country were enjoying the Jesus Freak Movement. Some guy named Hal Lindsey...not sure of the spelling...released a book called, "The Late, Great Planet Earth," which, among other similar books, insisted these cataclysmic events would happen at any day now. That was 53 years ago, which is exactly the same length of time the Grinch had hated Christmas.
I'm not here to tell you who is and who is not oppressed, but the viewer should be aware that Dan IS doing so. And his purpose is to guide your understanding of the meaning of the Bible to align with his. Ask yourself, if Dan were impartial, would his political leaning be apparent? Which is not to say he's misrepresenting the facts of the Bible. I don't think he is. I admire him for the work he's doing to educate people about those facts. But I think it's clear that he is doing so in a way that supports a specific world view (and that alienates people with another). If his videos make you feel smug or if they make you feel angry, it's not because you are interpreting the Bible rightly or wrongly (as if there were such a thing). It's because, in addition to the facts he's relaying, he's also endorsing a political perspective which you might or might not share. Scholarship can't possibly invalidate your interpretation of the Bible. That's what makes faith so great. You get to make it up and nobody can prove that you're wrong. Rock on, party people.
I don't see it that way. I think the kind of fundamentalist worldview of the world where the end of the world is around every corner (and has been for 2000 years) is fundamentally ignorant and imbecilic, but also cancerous for the world. If you look at where the fundamentalist worldview has taken hold, the Bible Belt in America, you see a backwards type of area that is at the bottom of all markers of health education and welfare. It is not an area that I think Jesus would approve of. I think Dan is helping to remove the ignorance and abject stupidity we hear so much of from the fundamentally incorrect interpretation of the Bible from Evangelicals. When you have a nonsensical view of the Bible pushed out over the country, having someone bluntly put forward a correct interpretation of the Bible is a valuable service.
Given the fact of all the apocalyptic reports floating around and the coming of the April 8, 2024 eclipse, I guess since it is April 2 then there are only 6 more shopping days left for the Red Heifer sales at your local church gift shop.
This was so much great information packed into a shoet video. This makes a lot of sense and gives me peace knowing i dont have ro "decode" all the hidden messages in revelations to prepare for the end times. Many people cite John the revelator as the author of revelations, is that accurate? Or do scholars find information on its author to be inconclusive?
Most scholars simply name the author as John of Patmos, who was not the author of the Gospel of John, nor of the pastoral epistles I/II/III John, but a different John entirely, writing in the early second century CE.
NDE are your brain cells dying of course you're going to think you're seeing a vision of Heaven, or Hell it just depends subconsciously how you feel about yourself, and believe me Kristen's make themselves and everybody around them feel very bad... And about the people being Time travelers I don't believe that either 😊
@@mickeydecurious your spirit leaves you and goes to the afterlife, people who have had these have been shown future events like 911 before it happened and future wars.
@@joeaustin2919 I don't think it's Spirit leaves you and goes to the afterlife, what you just described is called dreams site, or night and those can be given by the good shiny ones, or the bad shiny ones.🤷 I'm telling you Republicans are not what they seem to be neither are the conservatives.
Interesting. The idea of Revelation directly clashing with the understandings of Jesus within the Gospels is intriguing-do we have reason to believe the author didn't have access to the Gospel traditions, or was knowingly contradicting them?
Good question. The author of revelation sounds like a Jewish christian as opposed to the later Pauline, gentile loving christian. Jesus is definitely violent in revelation with a bloodthirsty sword and not the peach and turn the other cheek gospel teacher. The way the author(s) of revelation emphasize the 12 Jewish tribes and a new Jerusalem is definitely something Paul wouldn't teach. Revelation clearly got its cues from Daniel and other OT prophets and puts jesus in the role of "one like a man" dishing out retribution Daniel speaks of
Thanks for sharing your opinion and scholarly pov, but to be honest it only strengthens my belief that Revelation is indeed a prophetic book and its final movements are being literally fulfilled. I’m curious though as to you have data that shows the author knows he was writing a fantasy and not a prophecy.
You'll never convince people that it isn't a prophecy. In the 1800s some preachers made bold predictions that the world was ending in the 1800s. When they were shown to be wrong, you'd thing that would be that and they'd switch back to sane denominations. But no, the followers doubled down in their beliefs and became Jehovah's Witnesses who have predicted the end times multiple times, and the Seventh Day Adventists and other sects. My belief is you'll never talk some Christians out of it, because they want to believe they are special and they want to believe they will live in the end times. Some of those Christians will even do what they can to fulfill their beliefs of the prophecy. People are stupid that way.
That’s my take on it. I believe that it is a book of prophecy. A symbolic book of prophecy that only the intended audience would understand. The writer of revelation, even in State soooooo in the first few verses. He was writing about things that must take place shortly because the time is near.
If I remember correctly, it's likely connected to it, but it goes beyond it. Certain scholars, like David Aune, view Revelation as a composite Jewish text (in other words, Christians who saw themselves as Jews). I don't have the volumes in front of me, but I seem to recall him arguing that the first text was likely written in response to the Roman cataclysm, with similar apocalyptic episodes manifesting as historical crises unfolded in the empire and the tensions became acute.
Love the book of Revelation but it seems a bit ambiguous for the people oppressed to long for what Rome had. Like freedom? Or wealth, riches, and power to destroy people. I just don’t pick up on the vibe that they want trade places in that sense.
The "new Jerusalem" concept definitely sounds like wanting to trade places to me. The new Jerusalem is essentially what Rome was except Jewish god lead and magnified with unbelievers being tortured, killed and enslaved
Very well said. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe Revelation applies to the world today and they long for the day God will destroy everyone on the planet who is guilty of the crime of not wanting to be one of them. I despair for them that in their selfish desire to live forever they are willing to declare such a clearly immoral act ‘good’. When they tell me I will be destroyed for not believing I say it is just as well, because I wouldn’t want to live in a ‘paradise’ built on a global genocide.
@JESUS is our Savior so this means, very many Jehovah's witnesses will also not make it to heaven, considering they number past the 144000 cut-off. I wonder how they will choose who gets to stay and who gets to go.
I always wondered, if God intended to destroy the "others", and the same God believes that all children are innocent, then why would God allow innocent children to be born into societies he plans to destroy..? I mean, why set them up for failure, then punish them so horribly for ever?? That is one aspect of religion o still struggle with to date.
@@jullietmburu9672 This number is something they track and report on annually. Many years ago the number claiming to be heaven-bound was declining each year and they pointed to that as evidence of how close Armageddon was. I think they were down to just 6k remaining. In recent years the number claiming to be headed to heaven has been going up steadily (about 24k now I think) and this does present a doctrinal issue for their leaders. One of the ways they ‘handle’ this is to imply some (many?) who claim to be headed to heaven are mentally ill or otherwise unbalanced. It’s kind of mean spirited.
@@jullietmburu9672 oh and to answer your question, believers self nominate that they ‘know’ they are going to heaven by taking the sacraments (they call it ‘partaking’) at their annual Easter commemoration.
At around 6:35, the video ceases to be data over dogma and in the spirit of him using the term 'trading places' (take a shot everytime he says that in this vid) - data trades places with dogma as he provides us with his modern belief presented as established fact.
Please take a history course in first cent Jewish Christian thought. Everything Dan said is true in what the story was about in a first cent context to support Christians who were being persecuted by Rome. It has nothing to do with anything today.
Great introduction except the fantasy part. If properly understood it fits with the whole Bible. Checkout the Final Message: Understanding the book of Revelation (20th Anniversary Edition)
Those events describe in Revelation supposed to happened in their lifetime. Why would John give them letters to the 7 churches, if is a future event? never they going to see it? Revelation 1;1 is clear that Jesus was supposed to return in their lifetime! Even Paul thought so to.
@@cc3775 Cuz it means just that lol so is what ? Symbolic? Allegoric ?.you see how stupid that sounds ? If one interpret not literally but symbolic , allegory or whatever. Anyone can interpret how they want . It leads to varied interpretation.. Not all all in revelation is symbolic
I am more than happy to know the facts of your description of the genre, and how it was utilized by the 3rd and 4th century Christians. However, this worldview, wherein there is, in nearly every situation it seems, an oppressed class and a privileged class, by some description, in all scriptural texts you talk about, as well as their application, does not seem fair to the authors of these texts. This critical theoretic framework, which seems to be deployed towards every scripture you talk about, apparently leaves no room for genuine good intent behind these compositions. It is always framed in context of some tension between power-haves and power-have-nots, and the purpose of scripture being to reorganize power in the favour of the author, or author's identity group. Is this the only type of social dynamic that exists? Are there any other motivations that a scriptural author may have had besides the restructuring of power dynamics in their current situation? Does this not then make of scriptural authors, propagandists? I have read that you said that these texts were "overwhelmingly created for the restructuring of power"(at least an approximation of such), yet I'm skeptical of that as a primary driver. Could not the composition of a text be, instead, for the purposes of correcting errors in current belief systems? Not to restructure power, but to genuinely communicate truths, at least as the author perceives it? Though it may be biased (or should be expected to be biased), doesn't this critical analysis impugn the intents of the authors, and decrease the creative space wherein these texts were composed? It seems frightfully reductive. It also condemns, in large measure, scholarship of any type, as you cannot trust the analysis of a text under this framework, because it may be that the analyzer is merely restructuring power in their own favour, by pretending to impartially analyze the text. Indeed, I think you and others imply as much, frequently, when it comes to disagreeing interpretations. How then is your analysis more valid, if the text itself and the attempt to analyze a text is always affected by the desire to restructure power? How do you immunize yourself against this same impulse, as it seems nearly all ancient text authors were motivated by this self-same desire?
The "errors in a belief system" subjective and propagandist in itself. Who's to say what's an error in a religious belief or what's "a real christian". Every christian says someone "isn't a real christian" if they display views, ideas or actions they disagree with. It's all propaganda and polemics buddy. At the end of the day the Jewish god is supposed to takeover on earth and make the nations bow to him and "his people". That's the OT scripture belief Revelation is continuing. Just like how everyone are to be Muslims or get punished in Islam. I don't see how one would get around that. Now the writer(s) of Revelation could've very well been motivated by perceived injustices and sorrowful events witnessed but at the end of the day his hope is the OT Jewish god world government dictatorship taking over for people of his ethnicity and/or belief
Something I have always been lead to understand is that when they were putting The Bible together, they wanted to put an "apocalyptic" book in it, and that there were in fact a number of people who had had these "visions", and they chose The Book of Revelation as the one they felt was most powerful. Is this correct?
@@donmimm2662Although there may be certain books identified with Peter, they are certainly all pseudepigraphic. Peter was specifically named as an illiterate fisherman in Acts, and he would not have been alive when the book(s) were written.
When you separate yourself from the rest of humanity and claim you are "chosen" while monopolizing and showing ethnocentric tribal favoritism you get the negative response you deserve
One thing that I wonder about is the duality of process vs purpose. It’s absolutely true what you say about Revelation however, its entirely possible God was working things that way for his own purposes completely aside from our own purposes. The Book of Revelations could have come to be part of the canon by Gods will. It could have just as easily been excluded. What we know is OUR history of the Book here on earth. What we don’t know is if God wanted it in the canon for a reason. Even though apocalyptic literature is as you say for those purposes back then, there is. O denying that when you read it today, it’s a whole different monster. Neither the nicene counsel NOR anyone else ever went through the whole OT and NT and changed everything to be sure that it fit perfectly with every other theme, with the trinity, with Jesus being God, with these systematic theology. It’s simply too coincidental for me to believe that. Sure we develop these systems afterwards but if the system doesn’t fit or work or isn’t already there then we can’t expect to discover it. We absolutely can and have been wrong on so much of the Bible. I just wonder if Revelation found its way into the Canon for a purpose bigger than our own. Nothing you say logically mandates the way you suggest Revelation is set to mean.
Revelations is the Roman Catholics most complex versions of the mono-myth template held in apocalyptic analogous terminology of a theistic genre. There are two templates. These are also held in spiritual teachings and mythologies. All of those seven's in Revelation relate to a moment in human creation where we are naked, uncovered and in the Garden of Eden. (Symbolized by day seven, a place in our own life time) A mental place to be, nested in a supernatural carrier. I wish there was someone else who could see the patterns too. Religion and all things supernatural are highly popular in humanity. Truth seems not so much. Revelations is yet another downstream version of the Enuma Elish, obscured even further in verbiage.
Dan, If this is just about fantasy of 1st century Christian's and all of what you said. You said there is no prophetic events.....Then who are the 2 witnesses that preach in Jerusalem, seem to have some God like powers.... Is that just fantacy too? Where would I read about that idea/concept??
Yes indeed Revelations is fantasy. To believe that is true is to believe that the God behind it all is sadistic when looking upon what it says about God's character rationally. However most fervent Christians do not see it that way at all. I cannot fathom how any Christian could be excited for that horror story to be real. This video and channel has helped me immensely thank you.
That's not the claim of Revelation. It's claimed to be a solid prophecy directly from Jesus about things that WILL happen (see below). It also goes along with the entire Bible as there are MANY passages from Old to New Testament that speak of Jesus coming to judge the world (ex. 2 Timothy 4:1) *Revelation 1:1-2 KJV* The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. *Revelation 22:18-20 KJV* For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 *And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.* 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana Huh? I guess you've never read the Bible. Deuteronomy 15:11 KJV For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land. Jeremiah 7:6-7 KJV If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt: [7] Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever. Ezekiel 33:11 KJV Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Revelations can be seen to fit on the monomyth, common from antiquity. Genesis starts right off that way and all things Abrahamic are downstream versions of myth with updated verbiage. The religions evolve as humanity needed them to. It is carrying a nested teaching we can extract. It seems to be built on the template made up of steps in the human life cycle. It is in many forms and the Roman philosophers apparently knew it well. Whether we're seeking the Kingdom of Heaven within as a chosen one or the Holy Grail as the chosen one, we are on the same monomyth template.
The book of Revelation is about REWARDS N PENALTIES.THIS IS FOR REAL. LOGIC TELLS US THAT GOOD DEEDS RECEIVE A REWARD. THIS IS NOT ANY REWARD _ IT IS THE FINAL, TOTAL AND ABSOLUTE REWARD _ ETERNAL LIFE. AND THE PENALTY IS ETERNAL DAMNATION A LIFE WITH SATAN. THE CHOICE IS YOURS AND YOURS ONLY.
Dr. Hillman points out a lot of mystery cult vocabulary/imagery used in Revelation: Jesus as a platinum blond hermaphrodite wearing a woman's girdle/bra under his/her breasts; Mystery Babylon the Great with her cup of porneia; the woman taking a dose of "eagle wings" to enter "the desert"; the dragon orgasming over the woman; Jesus claiming the epithet of Lucifer, "the Bright and Morning Star"; etc. I would be interested to see how Dan examines this topic from his perspective.
It may have been a revelation from God, and was accurately understood by John's original audience. However, it was never meant to literally predict what the future holds.
I don’t think it’s as black & white saying that this only applies to certain group & time because a lot of bible is written that way & alot of concepts & ideas apply to most people if not everyone. I agree that people go over board but to say that we shouldn’t worry about how it applies today is to narrow of a perspective & is quite ignorant
The writer of revelation is very clear about who it was written to, and why he was writing it. It was written to a specific group of people about stuff that must soon happen because the time was near. It was near 2000 years ago. It has nothing to do with us today.
@@donmimm2662 then there was no point putting it in the bible if its useless then why read it then lol its obviously very important information that can help today
@@franklyncap4691 it is black and white. The only reason to think differently is because you want it/need it. A simple plain reading reveals real quickly that he wasn’t talking to us. He was talking to them about what was going to happen to them. They even gave them the timeframe in which things were going to happen to them. Once again, it wasn’t written to us it’s not about us, it was written to them it’s about them.
@@franklyncap4691 I’m not at all saying that it’s useless. I’m just saying it’s not written to you. It’s written to very specific audience for a very specific reason. You can disagree all you want, but most scholars agree with me.
