What are Koraidon and Miraidon TRULY Based on?🦎🏍️ Pokemon Scarlet and Violet Origins Explained! 

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I mean that mostly comes down to the fact that we haven’t personally the process that creates paradox. A cool idea to show this would have been to have a time where the past and future paradox swap so when you find the rival legendary it has transformed from a copy into its other counterpart. But Pokémon wouldn’t do that

I don't see how Cyclizar could be relevant to the story

I though that was kind of the point, to show that the box legends aren't that special compared to the rest of the paradoxes, they're just really strong. The same way Solgaleo and Lunala are just really powerful Ultra Beasts. But that's just my theory.

@@aananthbalachandranThey’re the ones chosen to be on the scarlet and violet book, they must be special in some way compared to the other paradoxes

yeah what makes Miraidon & koraidon special is the time displacement, but if the game allowed you to go to their eras then they would be everywhere just like Cyclizard

True. And the same can be said for Miraidon when he enters to water.

All these little details ✨️

It’s one of those things where I definitely agree he should have looked into it but they were likely just so they could have drought/electric surge merged with protosynthesis/quark drive without giving them two abilities

They really trying to make the future paradox moves seem like science fiction which I like, First Hadron Engine and soon Tachyon cutter for Iron Crown

I don't know if it's true, as what I "know" is just from online people repeating it constantly (and not from reading/researching the topic myself) But apparently, Atlantis (which is the in-gamecode name for Area Zero) was said in some tales to have access to Orichalcum and have tech advanced enough that they """knew""" about Hadrons. For the hadron part, I placed the """"" cuz I doubt it's hadrons in the way we actually know them/use the word. Most likely Greeks used the word for a hypothecal something that they hadn't personally seen and then stated that Atlantis actually had it, similar to how they """knew""" about atoms but not really, and then we adopted "atom" as a term for a more appropiated something that better fits what their idea was. (Like how we don't have teleportation but we can make stories where someone actually have it, understands it, and knows how to propertly implement it)

****”Big bang”

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True, when you look at Machamp or Conkeldurr or Mega Lopunny you realize the fighting type isn't necessarily just martial arts, but physical fitness in general

Oh im gonna have a bit of fun with that then ^v^

Tbf though rokos basilisk is kind of stupid, it's basically pascals wager for elon musk fanboys.

@@user-burner tbh i dont even know what they were rambling on abt

I played Violet version all because of Miraidon. The overall design is amazing, and the lore/inspiration is well-thought-out for a Box Art Legendary. It was a good thing that the Iron Serpent we met at the beach in the South Province and gave a sandwich to already chose not to go the savage route (like the second one) just to be destined to be with us.

Oh my god, it might be an earth crystal infohazardous tarrasque galapagos tortoise. Jeez.

@@kamenkuma05Tarrasque?!? Quick, get Caboose!

@@TRONkhfan13 haven’t watched Red vs Blue, but I’m pretty sure it’s a different kind of tarrasque, the classical French kind

Also I just looked at the maps for Kalos and France side-by-side and Vaniville town, X/Y’s hometown location, is very close on the map to Tarascon, the town where the folktale of the Tarrasque originated from, so that’s another connection to Kalos if Terapagos really is partially based off the Tarrasque

The Game: The Pokemon

Im spanish btw and DON doesnt mean king it means lord or mister

Don’t forget they friend shaped

Ikr

And their designs are absolute fire 🔥🔥

Nebby: am I a joke to you?

@@noahberan6498 nebby is also friend

From KOF right?

@@samkelomdunge9443 Im pretty sure thats the 8 headed serpent that Susanoo slayed to protect his future wife

@@agentdon1760 Oh you mean THAT Orochi. Fair enough, but I think they both served an antagonistic role.

@@agentdon1760 im really confused now…

​​@@agentdon1760yeah susanoo was also present in *digital monster* where it fought *lucifer downfall mode(forma)* and susanoo is also an antagonist in *blazblue* where he is a fusion of white susanoo unit hakumen and black susanoo unit terumi yuki.

There’s also the Don, which is what leaders of gangs and mafias are called, so the leader term still stands

@@VioletStreak02 The King of the Past King of the future

Mob leader of the past and mob leader of the future 😂

@@Nehu_22 oh definitely, they both seem like mob leaders in their own ways

Maybe the reason they’re so rare is that they’re the big bosses, ya can’t have an entire population of mafia bosses but just 2 works fine

Never got the hate for the throat wheels either. While I prefer Miraidon, it isn't because Koraidon's "wheels" don't move. I just simply like Miraidon's design more.

Some people want pokemon to be more animalistic but they can't recognize a lizard 💀 I LOVE Koraidon, there is something about Miraidon that troubles me but I can't put my finger on it... he's cool too, but I don't know...

@@Avarithlook at him in the reveal trailer from the back Looks kinda -Phallic-

I love it a lot! It not only gives Koraidon a more edgy feel because of how rough it looks, but i love how it can inflate for swimming or that it potentially could have been used to intimidate foes! Like a bearded dragon or even some birds do!

It just looks kind of stupid, and not everyone knows about every single animal and how they work. Imo having no wheels and just run on four legs would've made more sense because back then people didn't have any wheeled transport so they used horses and such. Would've felt more prehistoric imo, but it's mostly that it just looks weird.

I remember when everyone thought we would have a cyclizar that evolved into Koraidon or miraidon

@@RedTheWeeb I thought that up until 10 seconds ago.

How about we have a BDSP-like HM Slave style where, instead of keeping a pet Cyclizar like our friendly Raidon for transport, we call a random wild Cyclizar every time we need transport?

I just wish we could customize our ride pokemon like others do with their cyclizars

Not just Cyclizar, but other mon too. Feels weird that LGPE was the only one that (fully) utilized ride pokemon outside HM rides

So much fire *so many bikes*

Long ago, the wheely bois lived together in harmony. ..... then, everything changed when the Revavroom attacked.

​@@steveloge8119where's uncle Ira when you need him?!

I cri everityiem

@@akiradkcn engrish

And the fact that Sada dresses like a caveman.

Pokemon aren't subtle sometimes lol. Remember when they thought they can hide a twist villain 3 generations in a row?

Black and White had past and future themes as well

​​@@gabriellockwood2780 it was more about truth and ideals, "is" and "ought", than past and future. Edit: typo.

@@valivali8104 No not the main boxes 😂 Look at White Forest vs Black City Or how Opelucid City in Black had futuristic vibes and glowing parts In White, the same city was old, run down, and treated with respect. In B2W2, the Desert Route (4) in White2 had abandoned Ruins excavated, where in Black2 they tried to fill it with more houses. Team Plazma itself Knights that Flew around on a futuristic pirate ship. Reshiram was an old school flame-burning stove. Zekrom a top of the line electric generator. Genesect is an ANCIENT extinct Pokémon revived with modern technology and retrofitted with "advanced" technology. The Fossils were* the oldest fossils at that point--"ancestors" to modern Pokémon. (Due to paleontological discoveries, this is no longer true.) Even minor differences in some species sort of~ reflect Past vs Future, if a bit of a stretch. The Klink line (Living gears is weird, they seem to have inspired and existed back in Galar BEFORE the Industrial Revolution) Litwick's family (Moving from old candles to street lamps to fancy chandeliers shows progression) Timburr's line moves through the building materials Evolution--Simple wood, to strong steel beams, to special concrete to strengthen buildings further. Even with new information from Legends: Arceus and SV, new Unova stuff still supports Past v Future in some older Version-Exclusive Counterparts/Pairs: - Zoroark were once extinct; Cinccino are almost supporting overpopulation numbers - Braviary were extremely weak to Mandibuzz; they had to change Type at some point in Unova - Lilligant used to be weak (Fighting) to Whimsicott (Fairy); Both now compete for Human attention - Solosis seem to be the best Pokémon to study for understanding Evolution of single-celled organisms; Gothorita look into and tell the Future--with Gothitelle giving visions of beauty and heartbreak of the End of all things... - In Galar Darmanitan are said to be in low numbers; and have lost the Ability to use their special organs that produce fire--they're Dormant. (Until in "Zen Mode"); where Humans used to use Unovan Darumaka's droppings similar to coal to keep their houses warm before insulation, HVAC, etc.) - Sigilyth protect Ancient ruins but no amount of technology has EVER been able to replicate this Pokémon. - Golett and Golurk were built by an ancient civilization and no present research has identified HOW they continue to Function. - The Pawniard line are almost like robots, but they're also chess pieces as well as Samurai and/or knights. - Accelgor and Escavalier aren't version-exclusive, but they reflect the Team Plasma differences: Ninjas and Knights (specifically the Shadow Triad) (Plus, Reshiram and Zekrom seem to directly be connected to or influenced/by? the Paradox duo?... A Dragon that exudes flames and burned the Region, and A Dragon that creates electricity and electrocuted the Region?...) Reshiram - Dragon/Fire (Turboblaze) Koraidon - Fighting/Dragon (Orichalcum Pulse) Zekrom - Dragon/Electric (Teravolt) Miraidon - Electric/Dragon (Hadron Engine) It's a really weird parallel/paradox(?) Just seems like they AREN'T going to just make "Regular" Remakes for Black & White or B2W2?... (Maybe a Legends Game pair? Where one is set in the Ancient Past, and the other in the Distant Future?) (Or tie a Legends game based in Johto+Kanto into the story OF BW3?...)

Maybe Koraidon comes from Colorado? Which is a way to refer to red-ish colors

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Mopex is a really cool name

Sounds like a Bike/Dinosaur - Moped Rex

@@tetravega567 True, I have not thought about the connection to dinosaurs like the Tyrannosaurus Rex. It also fits well, because rex means king in Latin, which ties in with Koraidons other name, the Winged King.

@@minaashido518 *Respex

What's the significance of 967?

@@mathiasgreyjoy1611 it's Cyclizar's National Dex entry. But he said he biked 967 miles. Hence, the reference

DO NOT PURSUE KORAIDON Sorry, I couldn’t resist!

​@@Nameless-ln5mrIt's fine, man. Considering how broken Orichalcum Pulse is, that's a perfectly reasonable warning.

Further reinforced by the strong Chinese themes found abundantly throughout Scarlet & Violet, especially regarding the four obvious example Legendary Pokemon. Even Miraidon can be equivocated to 螣蛇 ("t'eng-she"), a flying "dragon snake" in Chinese mythology which is known to soar into the clouds and in some tellings brings lightning. Likewise, Koraidon may take influence additionally from the "dilong", a Chinese earth dragon that was paired with tianlong (a heavenly dragon, which could be another reference for Miraidon and fits their duality) or a panlong. Further, both dragons could take influence from what is believed to be a typo in an old biographical account where it is described as the boat of the subject (君才 General Juncai) as having two dragons (「雙龍」/ "shuanglung") at its side, which might have been a typo where the author meant to say 「雙輪 」("shuanglun") which means "two wheels" (such as with a paddleboat).

Wow

If Cyclizar got a legendary form like how Koraidon and Miraidon are Legendary past and future forms of the former it could very well look like quetzalcotl having Koraidons wings, and the Miraidons power to float. So basically those 2 mashed together as a present day form.

If thats the only reference we get to Quetzalcoatl instead of its own Pokémon/form, that really sucks I guess Koraidon kinda gives of Quetzalcoatl vibes, but eh

@@leoultimaupgraded9914 I mean, it's not the only one. There's also that really obscure Pokemon from Gen 3, Rayquaza.

​@@rhadamanthys649rayquaza is just a *shenron* wannabe.

They need to be reoccuring characters, they're so fun

Gotta love Rockstin. High intellect with limited linguistics will never not be a funny combination.

I miss the old Kyle Hill when he was on Because Science. He's so obnoxious and way too into fitness crap now with his weird solo channel.

Plus the two types (Fighting and Electric) are perfectly balanced against the other, They aren’t stronger when used on the other, not weak against, there is no resistance between them and no vulnerability from the other. Also the two types are associated with a certain stat, Fighting with Atk, and Electric with Sp. Atk. Which is shown with both Koraidon and Miraidon

Kyle went downhill after he left Because Science. It just isn't the same. Everything feels off and cringey, and his videos just aren't enjoyable. And from what I remember he can't shut up about fitness or making an analogy to something sports-related. But I haven't watched him in a while.

I would have liked an alternative thing to ride period. I don’t like how I can’t use Miraidon and have a bike. Like I get that’s what the second one is for but A I don’t have the bond with that one and B I traded that for Koraidon.

Randomly got a shiny one I'm with you

@@powersurge_beast Self reporting yourself for owning hacked Pokémon, lol. Koraidon & Miraidon are shiny locked.

I have 2. But I'm still hurt because one time I was hatching eggs and I could see a shiny Cyclizar show up. But I was stuck in the egg hatching animation bs and had to watch it despawn itself by running off. @@powersurge_beast

@@mathiasgreyjoy1611 I think they meant a shiny Cyclizar

Cyclizar’s dex says it uses its head (likely referring to its dewlap) and tail to absorb shock and to maintain balance.

That would be another good reason for the Dewlap being as big as it is as well, you get the heat from the legs moving to fast being reabsorbed into both >.>

Aaah, that's a great catch! Are you a fan of Jung too?

Thanks@@ElvenMoth I love your handle! I have always meant to research more into Carl Jung, and oddly enough, Pokémon has finally motivated me to do it! I was looking into answers about Scarlet & Violet and found out about Carl Jung's "The Red Book," which led me into all of this. "Flying Saucers A Modern Myth Of Things Seen In The Skies" has so many more answers to Terapagos, Terastalization, the Paradox Pokémon & more! My next video will focus on the inspiration from Carl Jung in Pokémon Scarlet & Violet.

@vesselXI Hehe, that's awesome. The 'Scarlet Book' immediately made me think of Jung. You make videos, I'd love to see one on Jung and Pokemon. Also, thank you for the compliment, ElvenMoth has many symbolic meanings for me. :)

Imagine if it had a blue shiny

Not until the e-wheel is invented.

That theory about the Loyal Three being Paradox Pokemon is so mind blowing it actually makes so much sense.

That is an amazing idea if I've ever heard one. Roko's Basilisk as an SMT boss sounds awesome!

Thank you

The issue is that Koraidon isn't from the past. Not from ANY time period for that matter

@@seandewar47 which is why my past thought was wrong

Except it couldn’t Flutter Mane which would be in the same time hard counters it.

​@kevinstephenson3531 If it died in the process, it could. Fluttermane needs its heat to survive. Plus, it also specializes in fire type moves

​@seandewar47 That's not confirmed, it's just speculated. Considering it's a paradox and they ran out of Koraidons to catch, the implication may be that it no longer exists in the past.

Roko's basilisk isn't actually an infohazard, its just a dumb hypothetical that doesn't make any sense. You could cut out most of the stuff about only targeting certain people and just say "a hypothetical ai will kill everyone who knows about it, me telling you this is an info hazard" and it would make much more sense and also still be blatantly stupid

Hey fun fact, it didn’t.

How did big dinosaurs evolve into chickens.

@@kevinstephenson3531 They didn’t.

Oh that's the fun part, they didn't evolve. None of the Paradox Pokémon did

@@xx_squirtle8621 I know that the paradox Pokémon are really just rewritten versions of the present ones

And Miraidon even shares the same type combo as Zekrom. Koraidon could've easily been Fire/Dragon like Reshiram, but they had to change it up to avoid making them too similar.

that’s what I was thinking!!

The type combo:yes, way,WAY better than Dragon/Fighting. The design: 50/50,its a hit or miss, for me. But its clearly the better future paradox form in all things from Violet.

It's better because I can add subwoofers to it

@@dollarweeb4573 I agree with the fact it’s the best paradox

Violet sold more than Scarlet so how hot is that take?