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@aritzlizarragaolascoaga6254
@aritzlizarragaolascoaga6254 2 года назад
Many years ago I happened to ask an American missionary about his ancestors. He was serving in my home town in Spain. He told me that he descended from people that persecuted Joseph Smith. That missionary was a really good missionary. I found his family history very interesting. Joseph Smith would be happy to know that some of the offspring of these very evil men would be faithful LDS.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 2 года назад
That is a nice story to hear. Thank you. Many of the persecutors suffered deep regrets for what they did. And some of them suffered physically after it. Several gave their death bed confessions that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God. That must have left a lasting impression on their descendants who witnessed it.
@leonardalcalaii9277
@leonardalcalaii9277 Год назад
​@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Thank y💖💖💖u sooo much for all the hard-faithful-work in thee blessings of this Heavenly timed knowledge you have got together in this video... What a testimony of how when we exhauste ourselves in service in thee l💖ving eyes of thee Savior & our Heavenly Father in all we can do for them in feeding thee sheep of Heavenly Father & Thee Savior & leave it all up to them to do all the judging of who they feel need to understand what was horrifically wrong through thee eternal l💖ving eyes of Heavenly Father & JESUS THEE CHRIST in how they do take care of those in there l💖ving will or eternal understanding... 💖💫🙏💫💖
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
@@leonardalcalaii9277 Thank you so much for your kind words. There is a kind and good God who will set all things right in the end.
@davidkitterman3952
@davidkitterman3952 Год назад
Sounds like another lie
@nosihi3115
@nosihi3115 Год назад
He was talking about Sydney Rigdon ❤
@bearonaromp7473
@bearonaromp7473 2 года назад
I stand foursquare against these horrible things happening to anybody. Hopefully people will learn to love rather than hate. How much better life is for those on the right side of the Lord.
@malanajensen584
@malanajensen584 2 года назад
I am always amazed how I have never heard any of your stories. They are so amazing. Thank you so much for all of your research and time and effort. I love to listen to your channel.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 2 года назад
Thank you so much. Many of the topics are controversial so I think that is probably the main reason why these stories are little known.
@tommysandman4026
@tommysandman4026 Год назад
Let God take care of our enemies. Do no unrighteous act.
@jimclark2704
@jimclark2704 9 месяцев назад
I inherited a book from my parents called "The Fate of the Persecutors of the Prophet Joseph Smith" and it documents almost all of the men who were involved in the murder of Brother Joseph. All of them died quite horribly and knew they had killed a prophet of God and knew their horrible fate was just.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 9 месяцев назад
Yes, that is the book I read from in this video.
@tamaitioleloleula_mutiatele01
I love love love learning about history especially when it come to what I believe with all my heart to be true and that is a Prophet of God. I remember growing up in the Island wishing one day I will get to see a prophet of God in my own eyes. I went to my first ever General Conference in person and when President Monson walked in I started to crying. I knew right then that He was a truly a prophet of God. I know this to be true because the Holy Ghost testify it to me. Thank you for taking the time to load these history. I’m excited to learn some more. #thanktheeohGodforprophet
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
Always remember that the title page to the Book of Mormon tells us that this book is a record of the people of Nephi written to the Lamanites who are a remnant of the house of Israel. At the destruction of the Nephites, during a time of great wickedness, this record was sealed up and hidden to come forth to the world once again by way of the gentiles who are the people of European descent who emigrated to America. You are in part descended from the Nephites. This book is a record of your ancestors who are among the greatest of all the prophets who have ever lived. President Woodruff said you have the birthright, and you stand first in many of the promises of God. This book was first given to the Gentiles to fulfill this prophecy in the book of Mormon. It was the mission of the Gentiles to bring this book to the natural branches of the tree of Israel. In the next prophecy, the Lamanites will become convinced of the truth of the Book of Mormon, which has already gone forth among them. Then it says the Lamanites shall blossom as the rose, and they will bring to light God's true points of the Gospel, the only Gospel which is in the Lord. They will reveal things which have been hidden since the foundation of the world. You share this promise with the Lamanites who are all the children of Lehi. The next chapter of Scripture is going to be written about your people, when the time comes that they mature in the Gospel as the gentiles have never been willing to do. Your people will have much favor and power from heaven, and your wisdom and understanding will reach to heaven. But only if you and your people are willing to love the Lord with all your heart and regard not the naysayers in the world, both within and outside the Church who will tell you that none of this is true.
@tamaitioleloleula_mutiatele01
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 thank you!
@alpscraftshack599
@alpscraftshack599 Год назад
LOL - You need to study the Scriptures to learn what it means to be a real & true Believer In & Follower Of the Lord and Saviour; and then who / what a True Prophet of God is, how a True Prophet of God lives, and the types of things and messages a True Prophet of God prophecies about and gives. Do not be deceived or led astray. God IS NOT and WILL NOT BE MOCKED by anyone!
@coryburns9161
@coryburns9161 8 месяцев назад
If any man prophesied and it does not come true he's not a prophet of God
@joshuaflowers4121
@joshuaflowers4121 Месяц назад
Joseph Smith made many false prophecies that didn’t come true and was put to death as it’s written in Deuteronomy 18, it’s know that he forged the book of Abraham, y’all need to study more and don’t rely on your heart because the Bible said the heart is deceitful, God bless you all and may y’all discover the true Jesus Christ and he’s not a created being that’s the brother of Lucifer, Jesus Christ is God!
@TacoBlend
@TacoBlend 2 года назад
"And it shall come to pass, because of the wickedness of the world, that I will take vengeance upon the wicked, for they will not repent; for the cup of mine indignation is full; for behold, my blood shall not cleanse them if they hear me not. "Wherefore, I the Lord God will send forth flies upon the face of the earth, which shall take hold of the inhabitants thereof, and shall eat their flesh, and shall cause maggots to come in upon them; And their tongues shall be stayed that they shall not utter against me; and their flesh shall fall from off their bones, and their eyes from their sockets;" D&C 29: 17-19
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 2 года назад
It is a pity that people cannot learn wisdom until it is everlastingly too late. I am afraid that what befell these mobocrats is a harbinger of what is to come, if the people do not repent.
@gwynnwhite4500
@gwynnwhite4500 2 года назад
That was tough to listen to. But it is a warning to all about messing with the Lord’s prophets. Incredible to think that the Saviour atoned even for them. He endured their pain and suffering. I call that love.
@kraigy28
@kraigy28 Год назад
He wasn’t a prophet. Look up the biblical requirements to be an actual prophet. One requirement is 100% accuracy in his prophecies. Joseph Smith was wrong on a lot of prophecies.
@ChaChaDancin
@ChaChaDancin 10 месяцев назад
Yes the mercy of the Lord extends even to the Mormon “prophet” Smith. That truly is amazing grace.
@julieorr9382
@julieorr9382 Год назад
Astonishing horrible stories. Very revealing. Thank you for sharing these.
@chrisepulef-1445
@chrisepulef-1445 Год назад
The Lord has never stopped showing details about temporal facts, through history and other ways, that my decision to become a member of the true and living church upon the earth. This is sweet for me, since I was baptized in only a week after I met the missionaries for the first time. I could've be baptized the same day!!!! Such glorious day it was for me to be visited by The Spirit of Truth, it was such sacred experience for me as a 16 years old at the time. Joseph is the greatest Witness of The Living CHRIST!!
@ChaChaDancin
@ChaChaDancin 10 месяцев назад
Now just imagine if you trusted Jesus as much as you trust the con-man Smith. The facts and evidence against his claims are overwhelming
@raymahobbs
@raymahobbs 4 месяца назад
I love the stories and history in your videos. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR NOT ❤ injecting music into the video. You are awsome. I can hear what you say. ❤❤❤. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 4 месяца назад
Thank you. I do put some music into my videos, especially the Hymn "The Spirit of God, Like a Fire is Burning." I do not have a professional rendition of it. But people request it, and it is good for people to hear it and even feel the spirit of it when sung with their own voices and not merely heard. The Scriptures say that sacred hymns when sung are a prayer from the heart. Music can alter the very chemistry of our bodies, for better or worse, depending o the type of music we hear. But if you are referring to injecting modern music into videos, I believe we need Godly music to counteract the modern music we hear. Even if we are turned off at first by these hymns. They can grow on us, even as we were forced to accept modern music.
@rschow1747
@rschow1747 Год назад
Nothing untoward actually happened to those indicted for the murder of the Prophet and his brother Hyrum. President Oaks did exhaustive research on the lives of those accused after their acquittal. Here is a list of those accused and what if anything happened in their lives: Mark Aldrich had a totally normal life and died in Tucson in 1874. Jacob Davis was even elected to Congress in 1856 following four terms in Illinois state senate. William Grover practiced law in St Louis, later moved back to Warsaw prosperous and respected. Thomas Sharp served three terms as Mayor of Warsaw. Levi Williams was postmaster and died in 1856. All who served as counsel for the accused killers lived quite successful careers in elected office. Ironically enough, those who met difficulty subsequent to the acquittal were prosecutors, the sheriff, the Judge, and the Governor. The five who went to trial, as well as others involved in the murder plot all enjoyed notably successful careers according to Pres. Dallin H. Oaks and co-author Marvin S. Hill of "Carthage Conspiracy."
@lorirogers9570
@lorirogers9570 Год назад
Maybe there were others who did
@darcyharefeld211
@darcyharefeld211 Год назад
Well all I can say is it is Oaks word against another man who did extensive research. I lean toward the word of the book I read that was written many years ago.
@brucecheever7136
@brucecheever7136 Год назад
They were murderers regardless of what happened to them
@jordan-xe2yb
@jordan-xe2yb 9 месяцев назад
@@darcyharefeld211what book?
@JaythePandaren
@JaythePandaren Год назад
Its so sad about how the old man was treated. Nobody should treat the elderly in such a cruel ways
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
As another pointed out, the only one who treated the old man badly was his own son. The others tried to help him with jobs, food, clothing, firewood, etc. But there is only so much people can do. I guess, if they could have done anything more, they could have been more forceful with his son. But even then, his son as bad as he was, might have been his primary means of support. Driving his son away could have made the situation worse. In the end, they did order his son out of the territory.
@JaythePandaren
@JaythePandaren Год назад
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 How the son treated the Old man reminded me how I treated my uncle. Thank goodness I never beat him or harm him in anyway however I often Yell at him when he annoys or does something that annoys me. Though a sad story, may I learn from it and not be cruel towards him all the time.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
@@JaythePandaren Yes. This story serves as a lesson for us all, doesn't it?
@JaythePandaren
@JaythePandaren Год назад
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 How the elderly are being treated now days, It should be a lesson to follow. In fact they should be honored because they suffered much and worked harder then all of us combined and don't forget they are also wise!
@michaeldunwoody3629
@michaeldunwoody3629 2 года назад
I was feeling sorry for the suffering of those people, but then I thought what a great warning it should be to those in modern days. They eventually wound up bearing their testimony to the truthfulness and the holy calling of our Prophet Joseph Smith with the rotting and decaying of their own bodies.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 2 года назад
They are some of the most powerful and heartfelt testimonies.
@donnacrimmins789
@donnacrimmins789 6 месяцев назад
That you shared your stories.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 6 месяцев назад
Thank you
@carlitopablero988
@carlitopablero988 Год назад
A Prophet of the Lord which cannot be deny Prophet Joseph Smith chosen one
@blusheep2
@blusheep2 10 месяцев назад
Do you realize he preached the ambition of Lucifer?
@malcolmcarter2675
@malcolmcarter2675 10 месяцев назад
​@@blusheep2 Yeah right, and so did your momma bludude, ur fat syphilitic, leprous, halitosis ridden momma........
@marthaabrahamson6813
@marthaabrahamson6813 Год назад
Absolutely no one deserves to be treated disrespectfully
@Fred-mp1vf
@Fred-mp1vf 6 месяцев назад
Except maybe those who bully others.
@skylerreddy5436
@skylerreddy5436 3 месяца назад
Can you imagine the crucifiers and the Jewish leaders, how they felt once they passed to the other side of the veil? There’s a prophesy about it, it goes like this: When The Lord comes backs in His Glory, even the crucifiers will see him from the spirit world.
@kellythompson2267
@kellythompson2267 Год назад
Very interesting!
@danielbennion80
@danielbennion80 Год назад
I'm sure that these accounts are only a few and there were likely many more who suffered similarly for their horrific evil deeds at Haun's Mill, in driving the Saints from Missouri, their expulsion from Nauvoo, and many persecutions of the righteous since. This documentary should serve well as a warning to people who persecute the righteous for their beliefs that the sword of justice from the Almighty will hang over them.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
Yes. The blessings of God were withdrawn from them, and they were left to themselves. There was nothing left to stop the maggots from eating them alive. How much each of us depends on God even for the very breath we draw, we rarely realize and give thanks. We rarely give thanks for the rivers and springs and wells that always give us life giving water. For the food we eat. When those blessings are withdrawn, our suffering is designed to advance our spirits into whatever kingdom we are destined to inherit.
@pbj4toast
@pbj4toast Год назад
I met a man online who was serving a mission with his wife and it turned out that he had been a missionary in Brazil at the time that I was there. I mentioned to him that we had gone to look at church historical sites but weather had prevented us from seeing Haun's mill. He replied that he had a grandfather who was killed at Haun's mill and I said, that's interesting. I had a grandfather who's brother was killed at Haun's mill (Mine, Tarylton Lewis was wounded there.) It turned out that we were 5th cousins.
@aaronwilliams2322
@aaronwilliams2322 Год назад
If you martyr a true prophet of God, expect to pay a certain price, and a hefty price indeed, especially for martyring the Prophet of the Restoration. These men may not have known fully who they had martyred, but they knew right from wrong I'm sure, and there may be some form of redemption for their souls in eternity, but you had better believe their remaining days in mortality were cursed henceforth from June 27th, 1844 until their dying breaths. If anything, tales like these make any non-believers pause, why did ALL the mobocrats suffer such horrible fates? It's because everything the Prophet Joseph Smith stood for and was called to do to restore the Gospel was true. He was the Lord's prophet, even his martyrdom testifies to and seals the earthly fates of these men. "For every man receiveth wages of him whom he listeth to obey".
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
In every generation, the wicked have served a purpose for the spiritual benefit of the righteous. The persecutions the wicked inflict on the world, are a necessary test for the righteous to pass through.
@rconger24
@rconger24 Месяц назад
President Oaks has done much research on this subject back when he was a law student at The University of Chicago. While a member of the Twelve he shared information about these events during a talk at General Conference. My people homesteaded in St Thomas until the rising of Lake Mead. They had to leave their homes. I wonder how life would have been different had we been able to stay.
@pbj4toast
@pbj4toast Год назад
About 50 yrs ago I read the book, The fate of the killers of Joseph Smith and am glad to hear this affirmation of some of it's details. I have a comment which I believe relates to this narrative. Around the year 2000 there was a series on the PBS TV network about the civil war. In one of its episodes there was mention of a battle wherein the military unit called the Missouri Greys was destroyed. The episode said that every man of the Missouri greys was killed in that battle. I have wanted to verify it and read more about it, but have been unable to find more information about it. I would enjoy seeing any comments concerning this story.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
That is the book where I got this account from, by Neils Lundwall. Fate of the persecutors of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He went to a lot of trouble to notarize statements wherever possible. Would that documentary series about the civil war, been produced by Ken Burns? If so, I would like to look that up. Thank you.
@pbj4toast
@pbj4toast Год назад
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 I don't remember now, but I could have been. At the time I think they called it a mini-series and it was replayed a year or later I think. If I am not mistaken the Missouri Greys were involved in the awful things that were done to the saints in Missouri and drove them out.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
Joseph Smith told the mob they would one day see blood shed to their heart's content. You should look up General Order #11, issued by the Union army in 1863 to the residents of five counties in western Missouri, including Jackson County. The same county which so violently expelled the Saints in 1834. This Union order did the same thing. Ordering all inhabitants of the county and five other counties to leave. Afterwards their homes were burned to the ground. "1. All persons living in Jackson, Cass, and Bates counties, Missouri, and in that part of Vernon included in this district, except those living within one mile of the limits of Independence, Hickman's Mills, Pleasant Hill, and Harrisonville, and except those in that part of Kaw Township, Jackson County, north of Brush Creek and west of Big Blue, are hereby ordered to remove from their present places of residence within fifteen days from the date hereof. " This order depopulated those counties. With the exception of Jackson County, the populations of some of the other counties, never recovered to this day.
@pbj4toast
@pbj4toast Год назад
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Wow. I was not aware of that and some of what they left by obeying that order was no doubt ill-gotten gain from driving out the Mormons.
@deanchappell1314
@deanchappell1314 Год назад
The Missouri Greys and those five counties received exactly the same actions they swore upon the mormons earlier. Karma. Only those with spiritual eyes will see this for what it is, the judgements of God eventually manifested.
@Lurker1979
@Lurker1979 Год назад
Wow, what a horrible way to meet one's demise. The moral of the story is don't kill prophets.
@Kristy_not_Kristine
@Kristy_not_Kristine 2 года назад
Wow...!
@rayrussell1519
@rayrussell1519 Год назад
i like to see more programmes on tv about life in mormon homes this is the interesting relegions in world i once knew a preist in the mormon church in 1975 peter holding of the highgate chuch was a menber peter now lives in hatfield herts
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
They are really not all that different from any other home or community. Either in the present or in the past. A great many of the early immigrants to Utah from the 1850s to 1900s were from western Europe, primarily the UK. They desired to assimilate as much as possible, but brought their cultures with them for the most part.
@smuir6104
@smuir6104 Год назад
Wow I have never heard of this before. While I love Joseph Smith, and know for myself that he was a prophet of God, I would not wish this end upon anyone. I must think the Lord had warned each of them to stay home and they must have utterly refused. Very sad
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
Parley P. Pratt was on a mission back east during the martyrdom of Joseph and Hyrum. He says he had a terrible feeling of doom and started back for Nauvoo without knowing why. On his journey home, he received news of the martyrdom, and Americans everywhere were celebrating the news as though it were a great national triumph. Read most of the newest comments on this video. People approve of his murder down to this very day.
@nathanclendenin1226
@nathanclendenin1226 11 месяцев назад
Sad. Just like the Scribes, and Pharisees who saw the Son of God who they thought was a blasphemer and wicked man who needed to die.
@establishingzion688
@establishingzion688 2 года назад
I feel sorry for those guys. They knew not what they did until it was too late. I kept thinking of the scripture in D&C 121 about kicking against the pricks and "cursed are those who lift up a heel against [the Lord's] anointed." What happened to them sounds much worse. Still, don't fight against Zion and her prophets, "yea, it shall be unto them, even as unto a hungry man which dreameth and behold he eateth by he awaketh and his soul is empty; or like unto a thirsty man which dreameth and behold he awaketh and behold he is faint and his soul hath appetite. " (Isaiah 29:3)
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 2 года назад
Yes, it is hard not to feel sympathy for them, seeing how badly many of them suffered. Knowing their punishment and suffering, caused the Savior while dying on the cross to ask the Father to forgive them for they know not what they do. Joseph and Hyrum suffered but for a moment. The punishment for these men is eternal. Joseph Smith says the suffering we endure is for our everlasting good. Likewise the punishment these men endure, both in their lives and in the spirit world is for their everlasting good. It brings them to a state of mind to where the work of redemption is possible even for them. So many times when I have read how so full of hate, cruelty and violence these men were. It always made me mad to read how they avoided any lawful punishment for their crimes. Yet, in reality, none of us will ever escape from a single thing. Sooner or later, each and every one of us, must return to face our sins and give an accounting for them. Every thought and every action is recorded in this short test called life. Like a teacher who grades right and wrong answers on a test, all of our thoughts and actions will likewise be graded as right or wrong. For those precious few who pass the test, will be given endless powers, dominions, glories and knowledge, and become joint heirs with Jesus Christ in all the fullness of the Father's endless kingdoms. For the rest, we will be rewarded according to our works and will become eternal servants. While some shall be forever banished from the earth into outer darkness.
@ChaChaDancin
@ChaChaDancin 10 месяцев назад
Don’t feel sorry for them. They likely aren’t going to suffer for eternity in Hell like Smith and other Mormon “prophets” will.
@HaleStorm49
@HaleStorm49 8 месяцев назад
​@@ChaChaDancineternal suffering for finite deeds?? How does that work?
@ChaChaDancin
@ChaChaDancin 8 месяцев назад
@@HaleStorm49 it works because God wills it to. You’ll need to take it up with Jesus, who taught more about the reality of Hell and its torments quite a bit.
@HaleStorm49
@HaleStorm49 8 месяцев назад
@@ChaChaDancin I didn't ask why the LDS church is steamrolling sectarian little "c" christianity in every category that matters - but is that also God's will?
@terrygunn6723
@terrygunn6723 Год назад
my family were from Hoytsville and Wilde are married into. I have never heard about anything like this.
@nizhoniway8019
@nizhoniway8019 2 года назад
Wow...
@johnkaspar462
@johnkaspar462 Год назад
President Dakin H Oaks was tasked with researching the claims in this book many years ago & refuted most of the claims
@larryvakeman
@larryvakeman Год назад
Like 23 ( 30-31 ) 30.Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, fall on us ; and to the hills , cover , us. 31 For if they do these things in a green tree , what shall be done in the dry of fall
@rayrussell1519
@rayrussell1519 Год назад
so are there mormons in hertfordshire who attend a mormon church whats it like on a sunday
@ScottCampanaro
@ScottCampanaro Год назад
There is ALWAYS a price to opposition to the Prophets of God... The Church KNEW this the Corporation of the Church not so much.
@blusheep2
@blusheep2 10 месяцев назад
Yes, prophets of God are often persecuted but so are false prophets.
@UltraDoug
@UltraDoug Год назад
I happened upon this book on my mission 30 years ago. I certainly think it’s all possible, but I wonder about the truth of it all. I’ve never heard one way or another. Sure is interesting though.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
Neils Lundwall the compiler of this book, went to a lot of trouble to notarize eye witness statements wherever possible to establish it as being true. Of course there are plenty of people both inside and outside the church who make the claim they are false. But these same people also dispute many of the stories accepted by the early Church. One prominent example is where Joseph Smith and several early members of the Church talk about the extreme religious rivalries in upstate New York at the time Joseph Smith inquired of the Lord which of the Churches was true. Most opposition Christian groups now claim that wasn't ever true, and they point to a lack of newspaper articles that mention it. But if you visit Palmyra, at one of the main intersections in the town you will see four competing churches with magnificent steeples on each corner of the intersection. It is like that with every thing in early Mormonism. The groups that dispute the truthfulness of it seem endless. Most people will hear all the anti Mormon stuff first and believe it, and then their minds are forever closed to ever considering it. It was like that in early Christianity as well. Most people in the ancient world believed every horrible thing ever said about Christians before they ever met one, and they were filled with hate and rage over it. People are free to believe or disbelieve everything according to the free agency God gave them. God wants us to choose, so we can be judged in the end according to the record of our works and choices both good and bad. Before I made these videos, for years i have shared the content of many of my videos with members of the Church, and I would say the majority of them rejected them and dismissed me as a fool for believing such things. Like Solomon says, there is no new thing under the sun. There is nothing that happens, that hasn't happened over and over again before.
@kristonmatthews3338
@kristonmatthews3338 Год назад
Wow!!!
@jacquesjems8527
@jacquesjems8527 Год назад
Do you mean after the killed him or where they will go to live eternally?
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
There were hundreds of men involved in the murder of Joseph Smith. These accounts were compiled by a Church historian who searched far and wide to find some of the accounts of what happened to some of them. It does not document what happened to all of them.
@44hawk28
@44hawk28 Год назад
In reference to the first story cited here , all the prophecies in the world do not absolve the people who witness this treatment of someone that we are sworn to love and care for according to the scriptures, and yet did nothing while this man was tortured on a daily basis. I hope they find their just Rewards as well. Reveling in people's misery while christ, our example prayed for forgiveness for those who murdered him, what a Despicable way to live your life and claim to be of God. I've always liked the church but there are frequently times when I meet people who have no business calling themselves Christian that are still in the church.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
It is unfortunate the way his son treated him for sure. It sounds like someone should have intervened. Fortunately, it is not our place to judge.
@caseykaelin9430
@caseykaelin9430 Год назад
From this video it sounds like some of those people were kind to the suffering. If you don't what is wrong with someone it is pretty hard to help them much other then with food. And that is what some of these people did.
@rinasuesue8936
@rinasuesue8936 Год назад
44 hawk what are you saying? People watching while someone has been tortured and not doing anything? And are saying we should pray to forgive the murderer? And bcuz we don’t we should not call ourselves as Christian? I’m confused.
@ChaChaDancin
@ChaChaDancin 10 месяцев назад
Gotta remember their entire religion is based on demonstrably false claims of Smith. Even now they sing songs about the “Earth must atone for his blood”. That’s what led to mountain Meadows massacre and people posting and reveling in sick videos like this.
@kz6fittycent
@kz6fittycent 2 года назад
My toes were curled during several of these accounts. SHEESH! Lesson: Don't mess with the Lord's prophets.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 2 года назад
Yes. It is tragic to contemplate their suffering. Those are the only types that deserve our pity.
@teressaolschewski5330
@teressaolschewski5330 2 года назад
That was hard to listen to, but the consequence of ones actions.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 2 года назад
It was a rough crowd in those days.
@walterelwell2252
@walterelwell2252 Год назад
Interesting, but these people were non members. If they had been members and entered into the covenant. Don't know how their punishment could have been even greater.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
Heaven only knows what eternal punishments are in store for each of us. The Scriptures say that where so ever is the greater light, so also is greater the glory or greater the condemnation. Whatever punishments we receive, we can be assured it will be according to God's perfect system of justice. Joseph Smith in the King Follett sermon, said even when we are forgiven of our sins, we are not totally released from our responsibility for them. An early Christian once said, we either pay for our sins in this life, or in the life to come, until there is a perfect restitution for all things.
@donbaker9715
@donbaker9715 Год назад
I find it hard to believe that any of the gentiles that were in that mob would move to Utah.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
You don't understand the power of a guilty conscience then?
@RockyKnights-tc8gm
@RockyKnights-tc8gm Год назад
A very sad tale
@DerGlaetze
@DerGlaetze Год назад
Almost sounds like leprosy
@rutht2023
@rutht2023 Год назад
Yes. I thought the same thing.
@VAATAUSILI4139
@VAATAUSILI4139 Год назад
Forever thank our ETERNAL PARENT'S, for restoring THE TRUE CHURCH back on earth, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS.
@A2D4
@A2D4 11 месяцев назад
How could the old man’s feet be burned in the cabin fire when the narrator said earlier that he had lost his feet? Also, why would the old man refer to The Prophet as “Old Joe Smith” when he was a young man at time of his murder?
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 11 месяцев назад
The story said his toes rotted off his feet and he was crippled. It does not say he lost his feet. The mobocrats, and his enemies have always referred to Joseph Smith as "Joe" or "old Joe" down to the present day. It is a sign of contempt and disrespect. In contrast, those who love him always refer to him as Joseph, or the "prophet joseph." Joseph Smith was 39, in his early middle age.
@A2D4
@A2D4 11 месяцев назад
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Joseph Smith died at age 38. He died in June and would’ve turned 39 in December, had he lived.
@sisknothinbutruth2684
@sisknothinbutruth2684 10 месяцев назад
I heard it was John Taylor and Willard Richards. I watched RU-vid video called Who Killed Joseph Smith. Seemed accurate.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 10 месяцев назад
I mean no disrespect, but I believe you are just a product of the times we are living in. In the past, not even the most Mormon hating historian thought of that. Stories like that gain traction only because the population is now illiterate of history and gullible enough to believe in anything.
@sisknothinbutruth2684
@sisknothinbutruth2684 10 месяцев назад
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 🤣I sure am glad you meant no disrespect!!!🤣
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 10 месяцев назад
I am sorry, but you should look at it from my perspective. John Taylor lived for decades after he saw Joseph Smith murdered. And in that time he never spoke ill words of Joseph Smith. He praised Joseph Smith kept his memory sacred until the day he died. Honestly, does this sound like a man who killed him? No it doesn't! And then 140 years later, someone comes along and says John Taylor killed Joseph Smith. And some people are actually gullible enough to believe it. Honestly. How else am I supposed to describe it? Both Joseph Smith and and John Taylor hold a sacred place in my heart. I have studied the sermons of both of them, and I cannot help but feel a little offended and indignant when someone comes along and bears false witness against John Taylor. There is a reason why bearing false witness against your neighbor is forbidden in the Bible. False accusations are character assassinations. And they can destroy a person just as much as if you physically harmed them. The rules of civilization demand we do not engage in such things, or else civilization will cease to function. You never accuse anyone in such a manner without hard evidence. You just don't do it. You don't want anyone accusing you falsely. Then why do it to someone else? @@sisknothinbutruth2684
@sisknothinbutruth2684
@sisknothinbutruth2684 10 месяцев назад
Hmmm. You've called me illiterate and gullible (twice!) So, my character is fine to obliterate? You don't know me. You know nothing of my background or education. I tell you that I watched a video that appeared accurate, and you call me names and claim I'm threatening the very fabric of society?! Did you watch it? Did you know John Taylor changed his story multiple times and lied about his watch being shot? Even the church says his watch wasn't shot. He was shot with a pistol, not a musket. He didn't go to court to testify against the accused in the mob, and they walked. Forensic evidence (Hyrum's skull) points to your idle being guilty. The Truth will come out. Perhaps it already has. If he's innocent, it will pan out. Society isn't going to crumble over it (unless perhaps certain members of society are still covering for the guilty parties and have more to lose than we know). I love the voice over work in your video and I appreciate you taking the time to put this together.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 10 месяцев назад
I don't know you, but I know what you said here! I have studied these men all my life and to me even though they lived in a different era, Joseph Smith and John Taylor are like mentors to me. Like fathers. I have never read anything John Taylor said that would contradict himself. People always tell stories a little differently about significant events throughout their lives as they remember it and see it through differing perspectives and in differing contexts of the conversation. That is completely normal. It is a well known fact that a witness to a crime will tell a different story to the police vs. a year later when they testify in court. They still remember it. But they remember different details. Lawyers know this and try to work it in their favor. This is how the game is always played. And if you buy into it, this is how people get played. If someone were to accuse one of your family members of some hideous crime, would you feel indignant about it? If you were a decent human being you would. @@sisknothinbutruth2684
@rayrussell1519
@rayrussell1519 Год назад
i guess that joseph smith has forgiven the people who killed him
@aaronlutke6300
@aaronlutke6300 Месяц назад
The men that murdered Joseph and Hyrum wasn't "the mob". It was Willard Richards and John Taylor at the behest of Brigham Young. Curious that the ball lodged in John Taylor's watch is the same caliber as the pistol secretly given to Joseph by Porter Rockwell. According to testimony given in court proceedings the mob outside the jail was about 50 yards away. At that range a 28 caliber ball would not have enough power to force a man back into the building which was Taylor's story. Richards and Taylor stained with Joseph and Hyrum's blood accompanied Brigham to Utah where Willard Richards helped Brigham change church records, documents and journals. John Taylor became the next president of the church Brigham Young usurped.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Месяц назад
And for the rest of their lives, every single one of these men never said a negative word against Joseph Smith. In fact, in their tens of thousands of pages of speeches, writings and sermons, they praised the memory of Joseph Smith daily, and truly mourned his loss. That would not be possible if they really did do what you are accusing them of. But facts are an inconvenient thing for the historically challenged. The Scriptures say that Lucifer accused the brethren night and day before the Father before he rebelled and fell from heaven. Joseph Smith has been accused night and day ever since his death. That alone tells us all we need to know who is true friends are. Even President Trump is accused of everything under the sun night and day by the legions of haters. The spirit of accusation is from the devil.
@darcyharefeld211
@darcyharefeld211 Год назад
I tead the accounts of the deaths of every mob member who murdered Joseph and his brother. They all died excruciating horrid deaths.
@jamesrexsannatracy8318
@jamesrexsannatracy8318 9 месяцев назад
No. No they didn’t
@silverfoxidm
@silverfoxidm Год назад
The best blood that ever lived the prophet Joseph (dc 135)
@jannel9863
@jannel9863 2 года назад
Justice being served.
@Fred-mp1vf
@Fred-mp1vf 6 месяцев назад
Thanks for posting this video! It's unfortunate that the early Saints adapted the nickname "Mormon". The Lord has reprimanded us for this, saying that "To remove the Lord's name from the Lord's church, is a major victory for Satan." (2018 General Conference) Mormon was a great prophet, but he would not want us to call the Church after him.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 6 месяцев назад
Sorry! I don't subscribe to cancel culture. The Lord never said that. Do not put words into the Lord's mouth. It is very inappropriate and sacrilegious. You should know better. Nobody removed the name from the Lord's Church. Not ever. In the twentieth century, whenever a nation or a movement was taken over, they always forbade the use of names and words. They tore down statues and rewrote history. For decades, the name Jesus Christ has been forbidden in public schools in many western nations. In places like Germany, young people become extremely uncomfortable when the name is mentioned. I am not going to give in to censorship. Everything you just told me, runs contrary to the principles of free agency and tolerance. To live by every word which proceeds from the mouth of God, found in the book of Mormon and elsewhere. And to not put one's trust in the arm of flesh.
@williamandersen4633
@williamandersen4633 Год назад
I am thinking that this is folklore. Probably Lundwall mostly created. I acknowledge that at first I at first believed the stories to be truthful but then latter I became aware of my own bias towards the Church and the prophet . A few things now strike me odd. Why relay the story of the old man Brooke (the mobocrat) by way of affidavit? Wouldn't you think the reason to make an affidavit would be to relay a statement that runs counter to current thought of the time? It seems this statement of facts is done as if having a fore-knowledge of future times when the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith is not looked upon with kindness. I would say affidavit does not necessarily imply truthfulness. I wonder why affidavit? Also the stone that rolled down from the hillside to cover his grave does not appear like a stone capable of rolling.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
It seems to me that the objective of Lundwall having eye witness accounts notarized is clear. It was for the sake of the legions of doubting Thomases who choose not to believe it. Dr. John Widtsoe wrote in the forward to this book: "Certainly this book will be read with challenging interest by the members of the Church and by others. We should be grateful to the compiler for the long hours of tedious work spent in making the compilation." -JOHN A. WIDTSOE I do not remember the story about some stone rolling down a hill to cover Brooke's grave. I always thought his marker was concrete made by a boy scout project to mark his grave after the original marker deteriorated. It is not in the book I read from.
@williamandersen4633
@williamandersen4633 Год назад
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Yeah the 'stone rolling' information came from research done @ kamasvalleyhistory.org/2020/10/31/tales-from-the-graveyard/ (at the end of the article) also there was questions raised about the life quality of the 5 men that were tried in a court-of-law over the death of Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum. Have a look at the historical document above and tell me if this changes your feelings somewhat.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
@@williamandersen4633 Whether the rock rolled there, or it was placed there does nothing to verify or falsify the eyewitness accounts of this man Brooks. In many ways the rock is irrelevant to the story. There were hundreds of men involved in the murder of Joseph Smith. This book does not say that all of them suffered an ill fate. Only the ones that could be found and documented by Lundwall through eye witness accounts were included in his book. Most men in the 19th century lived quiet lives. There was no mass media or facebook to document every detail of their lives. If many more or no more suffered, it is unlikely to be documented outside their own circle of acquaintances.
@williamandersen4633
@williamandersen4633 Год назад
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Yeah but I think Ezra Taft Benson has commented to children during a trip to Carthage and that here say was reported by his family. I could find the Link if necessary. The real point that seems more important is if we as people who feel to guard the memory of the beloved prophet Joseph Smith will choose to believe things that are not true because of confirmation bias, this tendency can cause us to error which can make us susceptible to false doctrine and be deceived. I am trying to avoid that in my own personal life and realize I have this bias to fight. peace.
@Tom-fo5ce
@Tom-fo5ce 10 месяцев назад
Folklore and fantasy are the foundations of mormonism. Just because no thinking person would believe the whole sham hasn't stopped it
@SuperTNovak
@SuperTNovak 2 года назад
That was hard to listen to for me as well. It was a just recompense, however I still had compassion on them. I am very thankful that Joseph Smith obeyed the calling of God to restore the fullness of the Gospel.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 2 года назад
Yes, absolutely. The ones who need the most compassion are the ones who most fail this test of life. Like the Bishop Polycarp stated shortly before he was to be burned at the stake. His suffering by fire would last but for a moment. The suffering by fire of his tormentors would be eternal. Shortly before the death of the Savior, He asked forgive them father, for they know not what they do, knowing the fate that awaits them.
@ChaChaDancin
@ChaChaDancin 10 месяцев назад
@@smallhelmonabigship3524and Joseph Smith went unwillingly to Carthage, then died there in a gun fight. Truly a martyr like Polycarp and others…
@VAATAUSILI4139
@VAATAUSILI4139 Год назад
Some left THE TRUE CHURCH, now up w/their endless excuses, lies, & deceit.
@marksandsmith6778
@marksandsmith6778 Год назад
A nice relaxing retirement?
@leswalker2639
@leswalker2639 2 года назад
It seems like I remember something was said, back in my primary days, of the man that murdered Joseph and Hiram.I heard something bad happened to them and that's about it. And something about Brigham Young. And now you bring this story into the spotlight. Those are pretty horrible death. No telling how many more stories are out there of similar circumstance. A lesson learned, don't mess with the Lord's people. I believe what the scripture saying are true. I believe the flesh-eating worms will happen again to somebody in the future probably even now. It seems like also, a few other Generations after would suffer something.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 2 года назад
It says somewhere if I remember correctly, that if His people repent God will preserve His people and fight their battles for them even if it so be that He must rain fire upon the wicked. But that is the key word repent. We must repent and turn from our wicked ways. There will come a day when no weapon formed against God's people will prosper. There will go forth a cry among the wicked that let us not go up unto Zion to battle for the inhabitants thereof are terrible. One will stand against a thousand, and two against ten thousand.
@leswalker2639
@leswalker2639 2 года назад
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 you're right, sometimes we forget the power of our Lord God. The stories you uncovered, should cause us to have more faith and understanding when we read our scriptures of truth. The Prophecies of 2nd Nephi chapters 26 through chapter 30, will give us some clue what we are facing now and later. I think if I was one of these killers of Joseph Smith, I believe I would rather spend the rest of my life in prison repenting, instead of dying the way they did. But look at the brighter side, all of this, helped to enforce this Nation to enforce the Constitution even for the slaves. A very sad ending for some, blossomed A New Beginning for better, good came from tragedy. You can take the scriptures, tragedy come to many of the chosen ones of the Lord, then the Lord changed the tragedy into a greater good for the people afterwards. Hopefully we all can learn a valuable lesson from the story also.
@dianacollazo5987
@dianacollazo5987 2 года назад
@@leswalker2639 I also think that these horrible punishments are for their own sake so they can repay in some way their evil deeds and receive mercy on the other side of the Vail. My thoughts though.
@leswalker2639
@leswalker2639 2 года назад
@@dianacollazo5987 you could be right. I don't think I would like to start out my life being cruel to people. I know some that has started out that way back in those old days and even now. My thinking is, if I don't commit the ACT, I don't have to take the extra years out of my life to repent for it. I learned early in life by watching other people's mistakes turn into tragedies and longtime repentance , that was a Learning lesson for me . There is a lot of hate and anger for people if you let Satan's missionaries influence your life. The mercy of the Lord is wonderful and that's all we know here on Earth at this time. In the next life we have time to purify ourselves through Jesus Christ and his Mercy to teach us differently then what has been taught here on the Earth, with so much opposition here and in the next life we will have a opposition also depending. You are absolutely right, those who hate and have anger are the sons and daughters of God also. I look at Earthly life somewhat like Spirit prison. And they were somewhat disobedient also.
@margaretallison1103
@margaretallison1103 Год назад
a friend of mine has been sitting here beside me........listening to what is being told by this person.......there are 2 sides to every story for sure.....when talking about how many of those people died... the men that killed JOSEPH SMITH.... when referring to the worms etc... probably the water was contaminated... also.. back then.. what did anyone know of whatkind of CANCER there was.. or how it spread... also.. we all talk or see what we as INDIVIDUALS... so. what we each see as INDIVIUALS is a different story fro eacg different person.........FOR SURE...OUR LORD & SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST does work in MYSTERIOUS WAYS......both of us ..sitting here... find it HARD TO BELIVE THAT OUR LORD WOULD PUNISH ANYONE SO HORRIBLE....IF IT IS OR WAS A DISEASE???????? WE ALL WILL CONTINUE TO BELIEVE AS WE EACH DO.INDIVIDUALY.......THAT IS OUR LORD/GODS WAY OF BEING SURE .... THAT WE ARE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE TO OURSELVES....BEING BORN AS HUMANS SPERATLY BUT DIFFERENT... THAT IS CALSO CALLED.... FREEDOM OF SPEECH ..
@faustinot9313
@faustinot9313 Год назад
Horrible curses I heard😮...
@VAATAUSILI4139
@VAATAUSILI4139 Год назад
GOD the Eternal FATHER & GODDESS the Eternal MOTHER, restored THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS back on earth.
@marksandsmith6778
@marksandsmith6778 Год назад
Horror story. I wish i could have helped the old man.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
There are literally millions of homeless people all across this land. In every large city, there are poor beggars, each with personal challenges not unlike this old man. If you want to help someone, there are no shortages of opportunities.
@marksandsmith6778
@marksandsmith6778 Год назад
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 It's a sad fate for someone who helped bring a paedo fraudster to justice.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
@@marksandsmith6778 I see the principles of liberty and tolerance enshrined in the U.S. Constitution, and the ten commandments in the Bible are lost on you.
@marksandsmith6778
@marksandsmith6778 Год назад
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 I dont remember Fraud child marriage and simony on the Constitution.
@montyklaus7223
@montyklaus7223 Год назад
If your LDS you are deceived badly, sadly
@anitap928
@anitap928 Год назад
I was raised LDS and yes you are correct. Joseph Smith was a 33 degree mason and his book was written using seer stones which is a pagan practice not of God. They also believe the Book of Mormon over the infallible word of God which is the Bible. God has NEVER been seen by any of the real prophets in the form of a man but Joseph claimed the father and the son appeared to him in such a way. The Bible times are historically backed by archaeological evidence the Book of Mormon has no geographical or archeological evidence. It’s a made up story.
@VAATAUSILI4139
@VAATAUSILI4139 Год назад
Prophet's of, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS: ADAM-MALACHI-JOSEPH SMITH-RUSSELL M. NELSON.
@darcyharefeld211
@darcyharefeld211 9 месяцев назад
Yes they did.
@faustinot9313
@faustinot9313 Год назад
Maybe joseph was like the savior and proclaimed something along the lines of" Father forgive them for they know not what they do." But who knows, we know from the scriptures God smites who He wants but up to us not to be like" that's what you get!"
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
That is true. We are not to judge. We are all sinners ourselves. But it serves as a warning.
@sefwright6286
@sefwright6286 9 месяцев назад
They ended up in SLC running the church
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 9 месяцев назад
Don't know anything about that, but two hundred years ago there was this story: Watch "The Enemy Within" about two hundred men in the Church at Nauvoo, who entered into a secret combination against Joseph Smith. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gGQWUGhE2Pk.html
@larryvakeman
@larryvakeman Год назад
They became the first the first whig party presidents of the united states Abraham Lincoln & Ulysses s Grant & Came to Utah and took back the priesthood from the blacks and scraped the school of prophets that anyone could come learn and talked freely in ideas that Joseph Smith started to watch and look for a prophet that was to come on earth from the descendants of Joseph and Aaron
@circomnia9984
@circomnia9984 Год назад
Wtf is up with all the rotting?!? Sounds like they had really bad hygiene back then. Just curious though, how many people rotted to death like that back then, that didn't kill any morons? If so, what were they being punished for?
@bearonaromp7473
@bearonaromp7473 Год назад
Assumptions.....
@richardholmes5676
@richardholmes5676 Год назад
?
@VAATAUSILI4139
@VAATAUSILI4139 Год назад
Scriptures of, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS: Bible, Book Of Mormon, D&C & Pearl Of Great Price.
@anitap928
@anitap928 Год назад
The LDS church only believes the Bible as far as it’s translated correctly. It is the infallible word of God and he did NOT get it wrong.
@calmplacedontjudge
@calmplacedontjudge Год назад
This Sounds like a Bunch of Hog Wash!! & Evil on top of Evil never produces Good??!!
@jamesdixon2860
@jamesdixon2860 Год назад
Clickbait title are extremely annoying. It's deceptive
@timlewis7218
@timlewis7218 Год назад
It's better than the charlatan deserved.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
What are you talking about?
@timlewis7218
@timlewis7218 Год назад
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 this cult has destroyed so many innocent lives. I personally know 3 women who were raped by California bishops as children. Our tithes of go to defend these criminals that prey on innocent members. It's organized crime. See arizona supreme court ruling that its OK for mormons to cover up child sex abuse.
@christopherbarnes2510
@christopherbarnes2510 Год назад
Let God be true and ever man be a liar. (Romans 3:4).. Anyone contradicting the word of God cannot be a prophet of God. We are in a serious place if at any point or minds can block out the clear and obvious words of God. Abide and live by every word of God and be the true children of your Father in heaven. satan is very cunning. Only by sticking to every word of the Lord (Matthew 4:4 )can we defeat his great deception. He that hath an ear let Him hear.
@jeremyfrisbie239
@jeremyfrisbie239 5 месяцев назад
“What became of the killers of Joseph smith the prophet?” The each were future prophets of the Brigham young following of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Aka “Brighamites”
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 5 месяцев назад
Another accusation with no basis in fact. The real reason you and others are gullible enough to believe any and every lie about him is because you believe in your stony hearts that Joseph Smith deceived the world. "28. Verily, verily, I say unto you, wo be unto him that lieth to deceive because he supposeth that another lieth to deceive, for such are not exempt from the justice of God." D&C 10:28
@jeremyfrisbie239
@jeremyfrisbie239 5 месяцев назад
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 you should really not use a verse from the same book that is in question to try to prove that it is true. lol. It’s like saying I know the Book of Mormon is true because the Book of Mormon says it’s true. There again is an intellectually dishonest argument.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 5 месяцев назад
@@jeremyfrisbie239 So what are you then? Are you an atheist? So because you detest the message you attack the messengers by making false accusations against them? Let's analyze your argument that this verse I quoted to you is false. In the Bible, in the ten commandments tells us that we are not to bear false witness against our neighbor. These laws have been known since ancient times to preserve and build a civilized society. Our modern form of government is built on it. U.S. Courts used to acknowledge the ten commandments until atheists began declaring they were offended by it. When you bear false witness against your neighbor you are committing character assasination. This has been known to take a person's life every bit as much as if you committed the act physically. To disobey these laws as led to bitterness, strife, and even wars. And has destroyed civilizations. This verse I quoted to you basically says if you break God's laws, you are not exempt from justice. It is a fundamentally truthful statement. There is another higher law of Christ that says you should esteem your neighbor as yourself. By your words you have demonstrated that you are lawless before God. All of the Twelve Apostles in the Church under Joseph Smith who remained in the Church, never uttered a negative word against Joseph Smith after his death all the rest of their lives. They always spoke of him with praise, love and respect. And they did it many thousands of times spanning half a century. They talked of it daily. There is no possible way such a people could have done what you have accused them of doing. It is not rational to believe such a thing. There are also numerous eye witnesses from the mob, Joseph Smith's sworn enemies who have confessed what they saw and did. To be so gullible and irrational as to believe what you have accused, shows that your one and only motive for believing it is out of pure hatred, and nothing more. You don't realize or don't care how gullible and irrational you have presented yourself in public.
@ChaChaDancin
@ChaChaDancin 10 месяцев назад
Not only is this BS, but it’s also a sick revenge fantasy right out of “praise to the man”.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 10 месяцев назад
What are you talking about?
@VAATAUSILI4139
@VAATAUSILI4139 Год назад
CHRISTIANITY, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, didn't start on earth, it started, in the PRE-MORTAL LIFE.
@gregorya.8315
@gregorya.8315 Год назад
YES!
@gregderozier3846
@gregderozier3846 Год назад
I can’t believe this act was a crime!! No one should be condemned for their action against Smith.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
No one should be condemned for committing a murder? Well that is just brilliant! You probably just said that in ignorance without knowing how serious it is. " 8 He that continueth in sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning... 15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." 1 John 3.
@noodle860
@noodle860 Год назад
You support those who brag details about killing the Smith Brothers, only the killers would know? You're saying their actions of murders should not be condemned? You're stupid, it is like my actions should not be condemned for killing your family. Those men involved in the murders deserve to suffer like Joseph Smith and Hyrum Smith mother Lucy and family had to go through with no justice.
@blusheep2
@blusheep2 10 месяцев назад
Murder is murder and no one had that right, even if he is a false prophet.
@Fred-mp1vf
@Fred-mp1vf 6 месяцев назад
Only the meek and lowly in heart are acceptable to God, and are able to recognize a true prophet, just as only the pure in heart received the Savior Himself. Those who reject the Lord's prophets are influenced by that same being who incited the ancient Jews to crucify their Lord. Beware, lest ye find yourself fighting against God.
@user-lk4ym4qr2u
@user-lk4ym4qr2u 6 месяцев назад
He was not a Prophet.
@sergeyshargarovskiy7246
@sergeyshargarovskiy7246 Год назад
pRoPhEt 🤡
@AlbertJLouie
@AlbertJLouie Год назад
I would like to point out the following. It was the Mormon church who attacked Christianity first when Joseph Smith said that "all the churches are wrong and an abomination before God..." (Joseph Smith---History 1:19). For over 193 years the Mormon church has supported their racists doctrine that all blacks are cursed by God. Let me quote from one of your prophets: "You must not think that I am opposed to slavery. No! The Negro is damned, and is to serve his master till God chooses to remove the curse of Ham..." ---prophet Brigham Young Journal of Discourses, V.2, pp 142-143. Let's go back in time to September 1857 in which "Mormons" led by John D Lee murdered 120-140 innocent men, women, and CHILDREN of the Baker-Fancher wagon train. Later before his death John D Lee confessed that Brigham Young gave him the order to kill all those innocent people. And to add insult to the victims, the Mormon church names a university after Brigham Young (BYU). Most recently the Mormon church has settled multi-million dollar sexual assault lawsuits against the Mormon church. So please, don't stand there thinking you have some kind of "moral high ground" on everyone else. When the Mormon church has caused so much pain and suffering to this day.
@paulanix7561
@paulanix7561 Год назад
I am not a Mormon. I am reading the Book of Mormon. I believe God honored Jospeh Smith with the ability to translate. May God have mercy on all of us. Be kind, be merciful and let God be the judge. We are to serve God.
@AlbertJLouie
@AlbertJLouie Год назад
@Paula Nix Mormons teach that the angel Moroni came down from heaven and gave Joseph Smith the Book of Mormon. Let's hear what God Himself says about this claim in: GALATIANS 1:6-9 "I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who CALLED you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed..." There you are, God telling you that He did not send any angel from heaven to Joseph Smith. So who would you rather believe? A. God Himself to lead you through life. OR B. The words of *one man* Joseph Smith and trusting him with your eternity (heaven or hell).
@paulanix7561
@paulanix7561 Год назад
@@AlbertJLouie and it's written in Deuteronomy also, that is why Jewish people don't believe Jesus is the Christ. Mr. Louie, I believed and felt the same way you do for 50 years. I would never have anything to do with mormons. Until I was spiritually struggling between goodness and evilfavoredness. My spirit was battling and the Book of Mormin, in plain English, explained exactly what is written in the Holy Bible...I say this as a witness to God, our Creator, and his holiness....God can do whatever he wants as far as I'm concerned. It's all His!! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints exhibits love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness and self control. I don't attend however because of the images of Jesus. I believe it violates the 1st and 2nd commandment. I worship God at home, God's word and fellowship with people.
@paulanix7561
@paulanix7561 Год назад
@@AlbertJLouie the Book of Mormon has a recurring theme: repent of your sins and be reconciled to God through Jesus Christ.
@AlbertJLouie
@AlbertJLouie Год назад
@Paula Nix But when you seek answers from the Book of Mormon instead of the Bible, God can't help you because you have turned your back on Him. Therefore this leaves the door open for Satan (II Corinthians 11:14-15) to step into your life with a false christ or prophet showing you signs and wonders to lead you away from the real Jesus of the Bible who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity.
@jamesduck926
@jamesduck926 Год назад
Lol. Prophet. What future prophecy did he give that came true? Let he help you. None!!!
@JamesW225
@JamesW225 Год назад
Prophet?
@richardholmes5676
@richardholmes5676 Год назад
?
@yo66613
@yo66613 Год назад
Self-claimed
@paulgregersen3570
@paulgregersen3570 Год назад
@@richardholmes5676 Where is my good friend, I miss you.
@richardholmes5676
@richardholmes5676 Год назад
@@paulgregersen3570 Eh there Paul. I'm still around.
@paulgregersen3570
@paulgregersen3570 Год назад
@@richardholmes5676 How have you been? It seems like a year since I've missed you. Glad you are there.
@geoffnoyes520
@geoffnoyes520 Год назад
Joseph Smith boasted that he had done more than Christ and his Apostles, he 'translated ' (changed) the Bible, and also made numerous false prophesies in God's name, perhaps unsurprisingly he died in jail, in custody, gun in hand in a desperate shootout at an early age.
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
Yeah I have heard you guys say that exact same thing for thirty years. Over and over and over again. It does not matter how many times it gets answered, it keeps coming back. You would think after all this time you would come up with something original to attack him with. But you can't. You copy each other and consider nothing more. Not an original thought among the whole lot of you. You probably haven't had an original thought in your entire life. Just run with the herd and whatever you do, don't think for yourself.
@Fred-mp1vf
@Fred-mp1vf 6 месяцев назад
Joseph Smith never boasted about anything. He never made any such claims. Stop listening to mindless gossip and choosing to remain ignorant. You're not a robot. Those who sincerely want to know the truth will read The Book of Mormon and seek a witness from God that it is true.
@VAATAUSILI4139
@VAATAUSILI4139 Год назад
Killed the ancient Prophets, Apostles, our SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST; Also, killed the modern Prophet, JOSEPH SMITH, nothing new.
@JaneDoe-lk4ch
@JaneDoe-lk4ch Год назад
False prophet.
@lostamericanhistory2536
@lostamericanhistory2536 Год назад
that's been my understanding as well
@paulgreco5419
@paulgreco5419 Год назад
* I’m a Mormon. We should believe the Scriptures, not man. And the Scriptures testify the Mormon Church is the only true Church of Jesus Christ on earth. But if something is taught that can't be verified by Scripture, think twice about believing it. I understand why so many people are leaving the church. Many false doctrines exist causing countless RU-vid videos mocking Mormonism. False doctrines like grandpa gods, (God the Father has a father), Mormons becoming gods of their own planets, Adam helped create the earth, Christ and Satan are brothers, God the Father has rarely spoken in Scripture, the African Americans were bad in the pre-existence; all of which no Scripture verifies. And each Sunday the Sacrament is tainted because only Elders and Priests can administer but the Deacons prepare/administer and the Teachers pass/administer the Sacrament. (D&C 20:57) And the Lord says, He’s bound when we do what He says but if not there is no promise. (D&C 82:10) …that the scriptures might be fulfilled; for ye shall do according to that which is written. (D&C 24:14) And we wonder why there’s depression, mental illness and other unspeakable events among us? And many are leaving the church because if you don't fit the mold the church leaders sculpture you're not a part of the click. Mormons believe the church leaders over Scripture. The zealous believers have the church leaders in mind with everything thing they think say and feel testifying to impress others how much they believe the current church leaders are God-inspired. But the Scriptures reveal the church leaders are the problem with the entire planet. For example, In 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 we are informed of a person who sits in the temple of God making himself God or above all that is called God. And because the Mormon Church is the only true Church of Jesus Christ on earth, who else could the Apostle Paul be warning us of if not the current Mormon prophet for only the Church has the temples of God. And even in the D&C God tells us He is displeased with the Apostles of the Lamb saying the end of this world will begin among them. (D&C 112:23-26) And Joseph Smith taught those who follow Lucifer in the last days can only be church members holding all the rights of God's priesthood and using the priesthood against God, as did Judas. It's as plain as the nose on a face. Joseph Smith taught the false doctrine of grandpa gods (God the Father has a father) not over the pulpit as a prophet but as a sermon at a funeral, which should not be taken as Scripture fulfilling God’s sayings to Paul, And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (2 Thessalonians 2:11) That they might be damned who believed not the truth….(2Thessalonians 2:12) And speaking of the current Mormon prophet John saw him saying, And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Revelation 13:7) (D&C 112:23-26) And the current Mormon prophet he has all the saints believing God our Heavenly Father was created by a being greater than Himself but Scripture says there is no greater than our God. (Hebrews 6:13) Therefore, every member of the Church is breaking the very first commandment God gave Moses and it is the first commandment because of the extreme importance of not putting Satan above God. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Does it make sense to reasonable thinking that God would command we have no other gods before Him but really there are gods before Him? Does He not want us to know this? Why is it a secret? There’s a reason He commanded to have no other gods before Him and that is because Lucifer says he will exalt his throne above the stars of God… (Isaiah 14:12-13) Because by believing in false grandpa gods the saints believe our God is an infinitely lesser God putting Lucifer before God. And the moment we put a god before our God, our God becomes an infinitely lesser God. Not only that, our God also becomes a liar. He and the Scriptures say He is the greatest of all. He and the Scriptures say He is the Most High God. He and the Scriptures say He created all things. And in the Scriptures He says there are no gods beside Him. (Isaiah 44:6) (Isaiah 44:8) (Isaiah 45:22) (Hebrews 6:13) And Isaiah warns, Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! (Isaiah 5:20) The saints call President Nelson good and good (Jesus Christ) evil. Because President Nelson says Christ and His Father are liars that God is not the Most High for how could He be? if God the Father has a father. President Nelson says Christ did not create all things. (John 1:1-3) Matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed the scientists say therefore President Nelson says the grandpa gods created these matter/energy and so Christ and the Scriptures are lying. Well did Abinadi warn the wicked king Noah and his priests, Have ye taught this people that they should observe to do all these things for to keep these commandments? (Mosiah 13:25) I say unto you, Nay; for if ye had, the Lord would not have caused me to come forth and to prophesy evil concerning this people. (Mosiah 13:26) And what is the commandment Abinadi taught that the people do not obey? Thou shalt have no other God before me. (Mosiah 12:35) Know ye not that I speak the truth? Yea, ye know that I speak the truth; and you ought to tremble before God. (Mosiah 12:30) And it is a false doctrine to say God our Heavenly Father has rarely spoke to us in Scripture. (3Nephi 27:26), (3Nephi 24:1). (2Nephi 31:20), (2Nephi 31:11) (D&C 49:20), (3Nephi 20:29) (D&C 49:5), (Moses chapters 1-2)
@veronicanoshler
@veronicanoshler Год назад
asdf
@johnbruins5984
@johnbruins5984 Год назад
From the body of your comments, I doubt your first remark.
@paulgreco5419
@paulgreco5419 Год назад
@@johnbruins5984 The Scriptures don't lie man does. I'm more a Mormon than anyone I know because I believe the truth. You doubt that? I'll prove it. Point out an error in the doctrine I presented and I'll say I'm wrong. Otherwise, you're not a Mormon. Please, don't be afraid. Point out an error. I say you're not LDS. Prove me wrong. I'll show you can't and you believe lies and follow the father of lies as do all other Church members because they've wrested the Scriptures to their own destruction. Please, prove me wrong. That is if you think you can? I say you can't. I can defend the faith better than any Church leader. You try and prove different. Stop believing their lies and believe the Scriptures.
@anitap928
@anitap928 Год назад
I left the church unfortunately all the false doctrine I learned led me down paths I shouldn’t have been down. I am glad people inside the church can see what is being taught goes against scripture.
@Fred-mp1vf
@Fred-mp1vf 6 месяцев назад
I'm afraid some of your "information" is incorrect. You need to carefully study The Book of Mormon, D & C, P G P, and strive to develop a closer, personal relationship with your Savior.❤
@marksandsmith6778
@marksandsmith6778 Год назад
reading this I have 100% contempt for Mormonism
@anitap928
@anitap928 Год назад
I didn’t bother watching it. I was raised in the church and I have 100% contempt for it and the lies I was taught.
@thomaspearson1919
@thomaspearson1919 Год назад
What became a LIAR Joseph Smith. ?
@richardholmes5676
@richardholmes5676 Год назад
?
@zon3665
@zon3665 Год назад
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
@mikeboyd3225
@mikeboyd3225 Год назад
Joseph Smith was instrumental in restoring to the earth the same Church that Jesus Christ established on the earth. It really doesn’t matter whether you believe it or not.
@VAATAUSILI4139
@VAATAUSILI4139 Год назад
THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS is, the only, TRUE CHURCH.
@stevewhite3753
@stevewhite3753 Год назад
He was not a prophet that’s blasphemy. He is burning in hell for rewriting the Bible. It’s a cult
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
Obviously, you have no idea what you are talking about. Not even a basic clue.
@anitap928
@anitap928 Год назад
Agreed and I was raised in the church. The Bible is the infallible word of God and I learned that a little to late.
@stevewhite3753
@stevewhite3753 Год назад
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 I’m sure you were raised Mormon and believe that. Read the true Bible. See how smith added 25 verses in Genesis and modified Mark
@smallhelmonabigship3524
@smallhelmonabigship3524 Год назад
@@anitap928 What is your opinion of Mark 16:16-18? Do you realize that most Christians that believe as you do are now saying those verse weren't added until the fifth century? That it was not really written by Mark and should not be taken literally? Why do Christians say Mormons are wrong and the Bible is the complete infallible word of God, while at the same time reject Mark 16? Why did the Protestants take the Apocrypha out of the Bible if it is infallible? Why were there more books in the oriental orthodox Bibles than the Roman Catholic Bible?
@anitap928
@anitap928 Год назад
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Matthew was one of Christs apostles. He walked with Christ so I will take what he says over a man who claimed God and Christ appeared in the form of man to him in a grove. God cannot be looked upon by a human and even when he appeared to Moses and Abraham it was not in the form of man. In addition when God was in Solomons Temple it was not in the form of a man. God gave the Torah and then the Holy Bible so those are the only scriptures needed to understand Gods plan. Joseph Smith was a 33 degree mason and all of the temple ceremonies were based on the ceremony from the masons. The book he wrote was done so using seer stones which is a pagan practice. Men cannot and do not obtain God status as the mormons claim. God is a jealous God and the only one. As for Mark 16 he was speaking to his 11 apostles I’m not sure what you are asking. The church doctrine caused me to question the Bible and the Christian community my whole life. I know now I let false teachings keep me from finding the truth and turning to Christ.
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