What Caitlin Clark proved vs. LSU, Angel Reese postgame: 'I've been through so much' | WBB | SPEAK 

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Joy: “ Why is she the villain?” Fellas: She called herself that Joy: “ Who made her the villain?” Fellas: She did. She said she was. Joy: “Someone made her the villain!” Fellas: She did. 😂😂

Joy REALLY said “What does Draymond do that’s extra”?!?! She’s dying on a hill for nothing

This is real life merging with sports. I’ve been with my wife for 10+ years and I can’t remember her ever apologizing for anything 😂😂😂. Accountability is an issue .

Joy is out of line acting like men arent constantly criticized in how they act as winner and losers. Thats half of sports media, the other half is the scores and stats

"What does draymond do that's extra?" Joy was not in her bag on this one lol

Accountability is a woman’s kryptonite.

Coach Bluder deserves a fair amount of the credit for Iowa and Caitlyn's success. She knows the team's strengths and its her leadership that gave SC their only loss in two years. Caitlyn didnt do it alone.

What joy doesn’t understand is it doesn’t matter who made her the villain, she probably embraced it until it didn’t work for her

“You painted the bullseye on your back so why are you surprised when people shoot at you”

I knew Joy was bothered….you could hear it in her voice…😂😂😂

Not enough credit is being given to the rest of the Iowa squad. All of those Clark assists don't just happen by accident. They run coach Bluder's game plans to perfection. And those rare games where Caitlin is "off," her teammates step up. Gabby Marshall, Kate Martin, Sydney Affolter... all are legit 3-point threats.

Acho, McCoy and James said it like it is: If you're going to play the villain, don't play victim after you lose Angel Reese!

This segment just shows men and women are differents and we need to accept it.

What is Joy talking about 😂

Our own reaction towards her is also unapologetic

Literally nobody has ever talked about joy as a villain, or talked about joy in any capacity lol

Joy says she not gonna play the race and gender game and proceeds to do it 😂😂

If the girl from Iowa did the same thing joy would be tearing her apart ever time we talk about female sports every preaches about equality but when it comes to giving harsh critique no no give me a break

Joy that was absolutely pathetic!!!Quit making excuses for Angel Reese behavior!!! She absolutely made herself the villain and embraced all the hate as long as she won. Yeah it’s easy to be the winning villain!! but she showed she can’t be the villain when she’s losing too and that’s weak. I’m so tired of that unapologetically garbage too. “I’m unapologetically me, BUT I want you all to apologize to me of you’re mean to me.” If LSU would’ve won that game it would’ve been an all time cringe fest from LSU. I’m tired of them saying “these are kids too.” They’re NOT KIDS!!! They are grown adults in college!!! Joy you ARE part of the problem!!!

Angel seemed to fully embrace being the villain till its now not working 🤷‍♂️

Joy taking all types of L’s in this segment

Joy kept arguing a point that they never made. They didn't say Angel Reese can't play the bad guy role.

Villains don't cry. "We played well, the game plan was solid but Iowa made more plays." That's all you have to say.

Shady said it best. Her game is not elite like Caitlin but she’s getting attention and paid like Caitlin and that’s because of her behavior and attitude in and out of the game. You elevated yourself to star status by being the self proclaimed villain. You’re winning, take the bad with the good

Dillon Brooks is a perfect example. We responded to him EXACTLY the same way.

Joy expected the guys to take her side just because angel is black. The truth is the truth.

Shady had me ROLLING!!!!!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

There's a big difference between celebrating and being a little cocky and actively antagonizing and trying to humiliate your opponents.

You love that she's unapologetic. But then when She loses and she gets it back unapologetically. She doesn't like it. And I'm supposed to be sympathetic.

Moral of the story- don’t give it if you can’t take it.

Joy is absolutely wrong 😂

Joy is in her feelings! The difference between men and women is most men talk trash and when they lose they take the L. But for whatever reasons, a woman talks trash and loses, we need to be more sympathetic? Whatever happened to women want to be treated like men, as equals? Or they just want the benefits, but none of the repercussions?

Joy is living under a rock in this subject. Reese accepted the criticism and wanted to be the villain cuz she made money and popularity off of it. She self proclaimed it!!!! Don’t cry after you lose

I can’t believe I’m finally agreeing with Emmanuel Acho

I play a lot of boardgames with my nephew and my friends kids, and what I always say is: If you taunt people you have to be able to take it when someone gets you back. Don't pretend you're a big dog barking when you win, only to shy away and whimper when you loose. They are in their early teens now and they get it.

I actually think this was a great segment across the board, and worthy of future discussion.

JOY, get out your feelings! YOU can't effectively talk sports in your feelings.

usually a huge fan of Joy but this segment was not it

In my son's school basketball team one of the best player likes showboating everytime he makes a basket. Once the team is loosing this kid pulls selfflops, drops on the floor pretending he got injured and starts to cry. I see the similarity with Angel Reese here.

Greatest debate on the subject I have ever hear... Clear and direct.... All Four, you have the show !!!

You put Clark on that LSU team and they’re undefeated and winning by double digits every night

Goodness Joy…. i rarely come to this page and here you are making me have another 3 month hiatus

How does joy have a job… bad take after bad take. It’s infuriating to watch when the rest of the show is so good

If the Iowa girls did what Reese does, wave the fingers in their face, wave goodby after fouling out, yell at the opposing coach, they'd have been crucified and demonized. Instead they showed dignity and class, traits Reese doesn't appear to possess.

Joy stop making excuses for her she got famous of that persona and made millions of it.

Ain't no way Joy took this route!!! Reese just need to stand on being what she said she is. To make this a gender thing is a sad cop out!!!

Im not really a sports watcher , but i really reallybenjoy thesese guys and gal commentary on the game. Looking forward to see more of this

If we can't blame people for being unapologetic, then we can unapologetically stand on our statements.

Thanks James. I can’t stand it when people try to play the gender card in these situations 🤨

I agree with Acho and Shady on this one. You talking trash but cry when it happens to you.

Joy doesn’t listen 😂😂- she said she was the villain 😮

Respect ✊️ gentlemen

Lesean McCoy's take on the Reese embracing the villain role is spot on. She is a grown woman she must have know that embracing the role would bring her more notoriety and with that comes the negative more people rooting against you. The Floyd Mayweather effect that he describes towards the end of the segment perfectly sums it up. McCoy is right you wanted all the smoke you all big and bad when your winning and knocking teams out the tournament, have to keep that same energy when you loose.

Joy and her “nuance” seems confused. Clark never did the “you can’t see me” gesture to a specific person. Reese followed her on court to find her, and do it to her specifically. Big difference, and glad the guys didn’t buckle opinion to Joy being pretty. That gets old.

I like all the guys take on this issue. I have watch it 4 time and have not got tired of it.

Joy really makes a fool of herself here lmfao

I feel like Joy thought she had an argument & realized halfway through it didn’t make sense. But it was too late so she had to stand on it lol

A woman will never hold another woman accountable.

Loving this

It’s very simple BE HUMBLE and your good.

Proud of these black men for not CAPING. SALUTE FELLAS

Acho calls it fair. He never gets involved with race, politics, or personal biases. Just calls it at face value. Wish more commentators would follow his lead.

This was her last college game. So many emotions! I hate that this is the story of her last game! She showed up in a way that folks wasn’t ready for! When she did all her taunting folks said she was doing too much but some loved it. The villain role came from an article she didn’t self proclaim herself the villain. She took a hold to it after being called that. Tears during the tournament are normal. Even the villain has emotions! You can’t knock her game. She is a hooper.

Emotions vs Accountability/Logic

You can tell Joy exasperated when she had her left hand on her hip like that 😂😂

She would have broke down right there on the court if Caitlyn ran her down to taunt. 😄

Joy go take a NAP, why should anyone feel bad or have any sympathy for anyone unapologetic?!

This was the REALEST segment on the LSU game PERIOD! Not first take, undisputed and etc… none keeping it 💯 like y’all. They are all tip toeing around it. I agree with the fellas.

Bruh Joy is tripping. People like Joy and Angel Reese are the same women that wanna be treated like men where they are the winners and as soon as they lose they want compassion and to be treated like ladies. Nah bruh Angel Reese brought this on herself. When you talk, troll and act like she did you can’t be crying and okay the victim when you lose. MAN UP!

This was the best/honest take on this yet! (-Joy😂) good job guys! (-Joy)

It was at this moment Joy Taylor learned the difference between FS1 and ESPN. I'm hoping one day someone will check Molly Qurin and Kimberly Martin when they decide to play the victim card! 😂

Joy was in her feelings for sure

LMAOOO shady is absolutely sick of Joy 😭😭😭

Thank you Acho and Shady for you said regarding Angel Reese's villain-ness. And with all due respect to Joy's take, she's wrong! Angel brought all of the criticism onto herself. When she was winning she was always very high and quite ready to stick it into the face of people. Sometimes those people deserved it. But a LOT of times, they didn't. When Caitlin lost last year, she was asked about the Angel taunting her and her teammates. Caitlin's response was NOTHING BUT CLASS. That is why she is beloved. It isn't because she is white. And Angel being treated as the villain is black. It's how each person has handled SUCCESS!!! Angel got her vitriol from people because of how she and her teammates decided to carry themselves. Even up to the start of the game! The Iowa teammates were out on the court during the national anthem, holding hands. The LSU team was in the locker room, segregating themselves from not just the world, but giving the middle finger to everyone while doing it. LSU could have always endeared themselves to the country and given due respect to the country, the fans, and their opponent, but they DECIDED not to. Those are the FACTS. People are LOVING Caitlin and the Iowa team for how they have handled defeat AND how they have handled success. That is a basic life lesson. Lastly, I'll say this about Joy's comments. People DO criticize MALE villains. We dog them whenever we see them. And if they do it over and over and over, we forever vilify them. We dogged the Bad Boys for DECADES after their loss Chicago. The difference between the Bad Boys and Angel Reece is that the Bad Boys NEVER ACTED LIKE A PUNK VICTIM AND CRIED!!!

James Jones absolutely nailed the truthful points after Joy's lil fake outrage take. Angel brought it on herself. Angel wanted to be the villain, and nobody respects or has sympathy for a crying villain.

i'd disagree with joy. We made Baker the villain when he was in college and he didn't complain when he lost. He got ripped for staking the flag and he was the #1 villain.

Reese is 20 not 10 years old. When you choose to take on the trash talking taunting role, you've placed yourself in the villain role. Everybody loves to root against the villain. "Professional" wrestling has turned that concept into a multi billion dollar business.

Caitlin Clark that man is a decent player

Me to Joy and especially since Caitlin acts the same way. Fact that she wasn't crying because of that she was crying because she was emotional from what her teammates said.

Joy definitely took this personally because we do talk about athletes. As a matter of fact Ocho listed them on this very segment. Baker Mayfield, Draymond Green, Dylan Brooks you could add T.O. Johnny football even as recently as Caleb Williams. So no, this is not an isolated incident to pick on poor little Angel Reese. Her experience is not unique and she definitely made herself a villain to boost her brand. She wanted all that smoke and it turns out she can't handle it.

I’m a black woman and I agree with everything he said about Angel. You can’t be talking like you’re a big dawg and then start crying when you lose. It’s very annoying. If you’re gonna be the villain, you gotta be the villain with no remorse.

I just wish no one was the villain and everyone acted classy on the court. I love that when Caitlin was arguing with the ref that her dad yelled at her from the stands and didn’t justify it.

When you are unapologetic, you don’t get to be the victim as well 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

joy takes this so personally 🤣

Racist BS aside. Why do some paid athletes think they should be protected from harsh critics?

Not everyone gets millions of dollars for being that unapologetic black female athlete either. She wanted to embrace it, she has benefitted from it, she has continued to act hard and be the same person… until Iowa put it on LSU

Ty gentleman for not giving in, and giving non bias perspective. U dish it u gotta be prepared to take it when someone dishes it out to u. Own it, lose with class. I'm a woman and I 💯 agree with ya.

Angel wasn’t crying because she lost, or because people waved her off the court… she can take that bc that ain’t the 1st time she lost… she was crying discussing her off the court experience after they won the champs last year… it’s normal for anyone to cry after losing a spot for the national champs.. Caitlin and her team cried last year in the post presser…

Being unapologetic and authentic doesnt mean that person is a good person or pleasant to be around.

Caitlin Clark is the only athlete who won the James E Sulivan Award for two consecutive years in the award's 94-year history. Almost impossible to beat.

These guys made GREAT points.

When Angel Reese led LSU to the national championship and won it last year, she started to get cocky, arrogant and talking that mess and that’s when people started coming after her because she wasn’t remaining humble

Joys face and demeanor when Acho was telling the Angel Reece story about her and the UCLA coach " well Angels grown " was amazing 😂😆

It’s like I’m listening to Skip all that makeup affecting Joy‘s brain.

james jones on point as usual, when the man speaks ppl need to listen

Joy Taylor just told on herself. How many collegiate athletes have ruined their chances of being pros? You don’t see them crying immediately after a loss. Then turn around and play the victim. Young lady, this is what accountability feels like.

And there we go…Joy said the magic word “BLACK”

How convenient of an argument, "we dont have enough time on the show for me to provide evidence to my claim, you have to take me word since we dont have time"

Thanks to all of you for the great conversation ... Caitlin took the L last season with class and grace ... Caitlin congratulated Angel and downplayed the Ring finger pointing ... Angel went off saying she was disrespected by the you cant see me wave ... and Caitlin still handled things with class and grace and congratulated Angel ... just like Caitlin took the WIN with class and grace