What Caused This Plane To Break Up Mid-Flight!? | SilkAir Flight 185 

Done 👍🏼 Welcome back, this was a really interesting video. Thanks.

Just because evidence is “circumstantial” does not make it speculation. DNA evidence is “circumstantial” but is very reliable as evidence. As a lawyer, if this was taken to court in the US, the pilot would definitely be liable in civil court and probably could be found guilty.

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Why the hell is there a breaker in the cockpit that can allow the pilot to shut off the CVR and Date Recorder? Sure sounds like murder/suicide to me.

Speculation can lead people to believe the suspicion.

Such a good point, 'At the time, crashes caused by deliberate pilot action were (almost) unheard of, so the idea that a pilot might do this seemed unthinkable'.

I think it was the Smithsonian channel whose reproduction of the Silk Air accident I watched and they came to the exact conclusion you mentioned. As there had been some previous rudder problems with this aircraft type, the Indonesian government latched on to that and refused to accept the NTSB’s probable cause. However this was the only explanation that fitted the facts and most people are convinced their conclusions are correct.

For sure was a deliberately action. Difficult to accept but the painful truth 😞

@@moiraatkinson Not just the Smithsonian channel. Other shows too.

@@CuriousPilot90 If a pilot wants to take himself out, he needn't take innocent passengers and crew. Of course, AR-15 massacres are now ruled suicide. I worked for a major US carrier as a cabin crew for 25 years and beat death on the job 6 times, 3 of which were at the company's behest, as is legal according to SCOTUS. Twice it was to save money and the 3rd was out of spite as a merger and acquisition was in play and reducing payroll assured the job security for those firing the most. They maimed me for life, and told them how to prevent TBIs, Cervical Spondylosis Trauma, Pneumothoraxes, collapsed lung from torn fascia lung lining due to my recurrent training at LHRTK the day before. Men over 35 should wait 36 hrs before flying after hitting a bucket of balls according to flight surgeons,. I was 42 and UAL had tried to kill me in RIO so I expected it. All 3 can cause death at 37,000ft (8000ft cabin pressure), but United Airlines is fine with killing crew and passengers as they're insured. Terminated 4 weeks before retirement with a permanent disability and no insurance at age 55 which is a death sentence in USA, but I live in Sweden and my Karolinska Institute rehab has proven efficacy. UAL prefers faith healing and said my MRIs, were fake as was Karolinska's orthopedic rehab. 90% of men aged 65 have bone spurs, but my flight attendant union was conjured by women for women. Chicago's attorneys love carriers that maim passengers for life or kill them as it keeps the client pool full. I called the FBI to warn of UAL's policies of abuse possibly leading to an AR-15 suicide at Elk Grove Village. Americans may not know that are allowed to be killed and might take it personally. Whistleblower protection is a farce in America, as ABA will disbar any attorney that reduces their potential client pool, at least in Chicago. I've been trying for 14 years to keep UAL from killing and maiming pax and crew, but because I refused their faith healing offer to keep my job, they think I have dementia...you know MRIs are the devil's brew in Chicago. I wrote to UAL's BOD, OSHA, NTSB, UALMD, UALTK, EXOSW, DENTK , LHRTK and visited my hospital that pumped my lungs in LHR to ask them to warn crew. Keeping American companies from killing employees is a Sisyphus task, but it keeps me going. Sisyphus defeated death too. All Americans are on somebody's spreadsheet as a capital asset and are allowed to be liquidated.(see USA's 4% of global population and 20% of Covid deaths, with vaccines after CDC told media 80% of Covid deaths are 65 and over, or on FICA aka pensioners or entitlement moochers to those that told their over 65 audiences, Covid was a hoax, and vaccines kill). Flying is the finest job I had, but for the worst clusterfrackin' company I ever knew. Hinge migration is preventable, as is pneumothorax, but killing crew to reduce payroll is more important.

The moment I saw the numbers for the descent rate I had to calculate it. Nearly 1200 Knots. I'm not sure if there is any airplane that can dive like that uncommanded.

​@@GuyNamedSeanCalculating the vertical speed using the 8 seconds of decent from FL350-FL195 you get over 100,000 fpm which is an insane decent rate that can only be done through force

This incident is talked about here in Singapore

Yeah, I think Boeing tested it and the only possible way to achieve that descent profile was pilot intervention

Unless it was a MAX!

Bingo... case closed, period

Exactly exactly. Too many coincidences for this to be a random accident. Hundred percent on the captain.

Yeah, of course you're most likely correct. But there's a good reason why circumstantial evidence alone shouldn't be taken as sufficient proof of guilt. Too many innocent people have spent too many years in prison or even been executed for us to not learn that lesson.

Agreed, but in this case, unfortunately for the innocents, no one would go to jail if convicted.

@@kenpuzio645 Yeah, but that life insurance policy probably wouldn't pay out to the captain's family if it went down officially as mass murder/suicide by his hand. Not to mention the shadow of that hanging over them. You just can't put those consequences on people based on circumstantial evidence alone.

It may have been that there was an electrical fault that caused this? But with all the other indicators this appears less likely.

@@CuriousPilot90 It sounds like you made up your mind already with shots of the cockpit door locking mechanism and the specific circuit breaker panel on which the CVR and FDR circuit breakers are located on the 737. 😋

@@ImperrfectStranger I always try to keep an open mind about these things, especially with an incident like this where all the facts are not known. I may have done that a little out of sequence but I was attempting to show the copilots route out of the flight deck with his meal😬! With the circuit breakers, that was just unfortunate! The Captains CB panel just seemed right for the issue that was mentioned. It honestly wasn't supposed to be subliminal messaging placed throughout the video. 🙂

@@CuriousPilot90 Thanks for the feedback 👍

CVR was actually from other aircraft, not an original one come from factory, and has a long story of self-malfunctions.

All aircraft have no issues until they do. No one noticed the cracks in the fuselage in that Hawaiian aircaft until the roof blew off. The 737Max incidents showed that at least one aircraft type was capable of drilling itself into the ground unintentionally. The videographer led you to believe that the circuit breakers were pulled by showing you pictures of the circuit breaker panel, but was it proved that the clicking sounds were related to the cockpit door being locked and circuit breakers being pulled? My first thought was a rear bulkhead or rear fuselage failure causing wiring to the recorders to be damaged. Recorders are usually positioned in the tail area. The tail coming off could also be evidence of this. However, with all the other evidence..... as you say, pretty damning.

This is why people are scared of your kind of thinking. For you there are no coincidences. You are the type to convict people of murder based on circumstantial evidence. How did he pop the whole back section off?

@@vertigo2894 definitely you are not a pilot so you don’t know. You probably haven’t even been inside a cockpit. It’s soo easy to pop them off… and it takes just a seconds to do it… But, then, no point in debating with you, you are just a conceited person who thinks he / she knows better with ZERO aviation knowledge. I have been a pilot since Aug 1988…, do you know more then me? And where is your research / statistics to prove people are scared of people like me? Seems you are all in the air with no facts… This was no coincidence. CB don’t just pop in a row… They have independent circuits and each engine is operated by at-least two independent feeds of circuits!

@@ashtonbailey3970 Oh yes, the moronic condescension, as expected. The fact remains, you have no evidence only conjecture.

Actually one doesn't need to be a pilot or NTSB expert to calculate that such extremely fast "descend" is only possible by intentional dive.

@@user-vo8ss2bm3p definitely

The metallic clicks were just the captain taking off his seat belt. A deliberate pull of the circuit breaker makes no noise, which is what led the investigators to explore the murder-suicide hypothesis, as a CVR circuit breaker that is tripped will have its pop heard in the last moments of the CVR recording. The FO even made ATC contact in the minutes between the CVR being off and the FDR being off. Those minutes must've been the captain preparing himself in the bathroom or something, plus giving plausibility to a request to the FO to "check something out".

@@OwlRTA thank you for explaining that so thoroughly. I see now what happened. How, sad for the loved ones of passengers and crew never to be sure of what happened.

I've seen a documentary about this episode and it sounds like he had a really promising future and was a surprisingly proficient pilot for his age. Heartbreaking

I saw in a documentary that said he was a very enthusiastic about his job. Piloting was his dream job. It's all he ever wanted. His father was also interviewed. Sad loss 💔

Thanks! Glad to be back 😁

Thank you, I’m glad you found it interesting. I did too!

Thank you, glad to be back 😁

how can pilot cause rear section to break off?

@@print-master speed because the plane was at supersonic speed when it hit the ground

Really? Perpetual agony in hell? Like for eternity? I don't honestly know if there is a heaven or hell but the idea of eternal torment just seems . . . unjust. Like if the captain had been the only one to miraculously survive, what would be his punishment on earth? Lifetime in prison (which would end). Or a death sentence - which would be his literal human end. If humans had the power to eternally torment someone for a crime, would we even do it? Do we just like lack the sense of righteous justice, or we are too sentimental? Genuinely wondering.

​@@grahamgreene779of course people would do it if given the possibility, that part in the bible is essentially a fantasy, they wish they could condemn people to eternal damnation

Looks like a murder-suicide to me but I am no expert

Sad how a lot of disasters could've been prevented According to the mayday episode of the lam mozabique suicide in 2013, that accident alone could've prevented future incidents however the crash was not reported properly b media making it relatively unknown across people, lubitz was apparently 'inspired' from that incident but I cant verify this last statement though

Yeah I find the Mayday episode pretty convincing, especially the work of the first officer's father

Thank you

Oh god damn (thank you)

There's also Germanwings Flight 9525 with the same cause which happened two years later.

That’s the thing, this was 1997, if the captain was the blame, it is similar to the Germanwings flight into the alps. But around those two flights there have been millions and millions of flights all landing safely.

Thank you, I found it interesting to research and make this one. One of the indications in isolation would be fine but there appeared to be several.

It's not difficult to ascertain. It was the captain.

I will like to clarify that the NTSC investigators agreed with the murder-suicide conclusion. However, the higher-ups decided to intervene and basically rewrite the report to not include the probable cause.

@@OwlRTA Fair enough. The NTSC did write the report, claimed it was undetermined, and (effectively) signed it. If someone above was forcing them, it doesnt change my statement.

Ok. What happens if one pilot is incapacitated, and then all of the flight computers give false data to a plane that doesn't know it's false data? The other pilot cannot override your supposed "solution" because it requires two pilots. Plane stalls and crashes, people die.

@@OwlRTA That's in part, why 'dual' systems fbw+cable/hydraulic systems are used by BAC, FBW systems toggle between 'laws and logic' when instrumentation/other avionics have discrepencies, especially with pitot tube problems. I've always been of the opinion that radio-measurement along with GPS systems should be capable of being switched during times of emergency, into some other display/interactive control circuit besides the MCDU. There's just no straight forward way to get that task accomplished. The two front seats MUST always be the final arbiter, but then, the suicidal pilot, how to override question arises...

Very true, all of the facts and evidence are not present in this case. It just so happens that the factors we do know line up to suggest something nefarious. It's always difficult to suggest that the pilot was to blame for a deliberate act, when in reality it could have been that he was attempting to recover the aircraft from an issue not known to the investigators. The problem with this incident is that external factors outside of the aircraft also play a role in the suggested outcome.

Rate of dive is as hard an evidence as one can ever get.

Seeing as Boeing 737s fly billions of miles and nothing like the accident has occurred since and that there was turning off of certain recordings and no attempt to correct the dive it is very likely a pilot murder suicide and one that has very likely been copied by the Captain in Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370.

Yes, she & her fiancé died in the crash along with a close friend of singer JJ Lin. The pilot was also a good friend of Bonny Hick’s ex husband. He wasn’t thrilled to see Bonny & her fiancé seated in the first class.

That is it, there isn't any conclusive evidence, but the information we do have points in that direction. As much as the internal and external evidence line up, it's still not conclusive enough, with the issue being the lack of information that leads to the conclusion.

@@CuriousPilot90 Yes, I think the US did a weird thing when they started arguing with NTSC. Yes, the Capt had some financial troubles, but nothing like imminent bankruptcy. There was an issue of a memorial date personal to the Capt, but otoh he had survived like 25 such memorial days before, no incidents. I tend to agree with the NTSC on this one. I believe the Capt did it, but I also believe it cannot be proven.

@@avgeek-and-fashion in most plane accidents u can only find out what likely happened. whats more likely, the plane suffered mechanical damage that no ones what it is...or. the pilot flew it straight down in a way that can only be explained or replicated by a deliberate action who everytime hes alone in the cockpit, the recorders get turned manually...and sorry but he was well past bankruptcy from bad stock trades and told the creditors or whomever that he could after flight when he got back, but had no money 2 do that. The guy killed everyone and the airline/country wont admit, cause they would then look bad for letting this suicide murderer on their planes flying.

A meteor could do it.

@@raviarjuna9839 NOT going to say "impossible"... BUT with the heat of re-entry for a meteor, it's improbable for the lack of fire evidence or heat damage... ;o)

Point to be noted

No proof of rudder malfunction the captain asked the FO to leave the cockpit

This was in 1997 there has been changes made

The 737 had an anti gravity crash prevention system but they forgot to switch it on.

This plane had the fix for the rutter problem, and the data shows the only way u get that dive is doing it on purpose The caption was repeatedly turning off the flight recorders everytime he was alone and was in complete financial ruin from gambling with the stock market.

And the German Wings nut job.

*Germanwings

You know there had been plenty of school shootings and such previous to that

@@leob4403 of course. What's your point?

@@xYuki91x those didn't make you lose faith in humanity?

Also Egyptair 990. Germanwings of the Atlantic.

At the high speed the plane was going, a rudder hardcover could be overcome with yolk and differential thrust. only at slower speeds would the rider take over and doom the plane.

Eastwind proved that a hardover is recoverable with the right amount of speed. This plane had so much speed that it broke apart. The PCU fixes were already done to this plane anyways.

Engines were at full speed on impact indicating a super speed that would make any aircraft breaking up in the air before krashing. No need of any structural problems to make that happen.

Nope: I stick with my original conclusions.

Most ? Could you tell us about the few that didn't contact the earth please 😢

@@clivebrowne5155 - flight 19

They hit water