What Could Have Been: James Cameron's Spider-Man 

After arnies mr freeze… yeah sure why not lol

​@@MILDMONSTER1234yes and dolph lundergren as venom will be good

And sly stallone as gambit

I wonder what one liners he would’ve had if he was Doc Oc

@@mdh16off59honestly I hate the thought of Arnie’s octavious, dolph as literally just venom though? Jesus Christ I love it. Like how tony Todd is a different model/voice for Harry in the Spider-Man game I think a different actor for Harry/venom would be insanely cool Edit: like Harry Osborne is whoever he is then when he transforms in to venom it’s dolph

Very important I feel like, because superheroes start to seem kinda iffy to me if their sense of justice is dictated by the law, so they're essentially just supercops (even if they're not formally affiliated with the police) and therefore serve the establishment and enforce the status quo, for good or ill. With Spider-Man this was almost extreme in the Insomniac game, where he not only works very closely with the police, he literally goes around activating surveillance towers that even JJJ calls Orwellian. I feel like superheroes should be guided by a higher morality, punishing wrongdoers for doing wrong, regardless of what side of the law they're on.

@@adronius147 Exactly my thoughts. The whole "he's just a vigilante menace" angle gets tired if there is no genuine conflict between him and the police/govt. That's why I loved the Dinner table argument in TASM between Andrew's Peter and Captain Stacy. It cements why there is distrust on both sides.

I can already hear fox news junkies saying its woke propaganda and anti police etc etc 🤣😂

​@@adronius147Insomniac Spiderman was never put in the position tho too have to fight police working with them is the smartest decision to avoid unnecessary trouble or problems

Something similar does happen in the Insomniac Spider-Man video game, where he’s battling Sable International guards for being to harsh and abusive to Manhattan citizens.

action sequences not really THAT good in way of the water, tbh

action sequences not really THAT good in way of the water, to be fair

The amazing Spider-Man 2 despite being god awful storywise, still has the best CGI and most innovative use of it till date in any Spider-Man movie. That last fight with electro was epic, nothing cames as close artistically to it.

@@TheViolentPacifist999bro amazing Spider-Man 2 was unwatchable. I tried like 4 times and only got like 5 minutes farther each time before turning it off. Raimi Spider-Man 2 had better cgi

​@@jojosmokes256 nah, TASM is still the GOAT in superhero CGI

Haha I know, in a story about a guy who gets magic powers after being bitten by a spider.

Pretty sure if i rummage around in my bathroom i can find a bottle that sprays liquid into the air. I'm gonna try to sell it to darpa.

@@Bulletsandblockbusters I think you missed the point. What JC was getting at is that a TEENAGER is able to create web shooters that the rest of the world can't, even after having plenty of his webfluid available to bioanalyze. It's like how Iron Man is genius enough to be able to create a fully functioning time-machine, but had to ask Tom Holland's Peter how he makes his web fluid. Which I also found very bizarre

​​@@KrawnaIn the 90s cartoon, they explain it away as the knowledge of how to make web fluid stemming from the spider instincts that Peter received after being bitten.

@@curtthegamer934exactly

It seems similar, but some of this movie sounds really embarrassing. I love James Cameron, but if this was made, it would probably be his worst film he’s ever made (besides Piranha 2)

I was thinking the same.

That was probably the best chance to make it R rated since today it would be at best PG13. Now greatest what if? I dont know about that

Same

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Exactly. Though now I think this is cool. Raimi’s movies were just innocent but still classics.

Cameron's jurassic park was never really a thing. He got halfway through the book and rang up about the rights and found out speilberg's company had aquired them. He never wrote a script or a treatment or spoke about which actors would be cast.

Also do Christopher Nolan's "Fifty Shades of Grey" and George Miller's "The Notebook" and James Cameron's "Scary Movie 3".

Also do Nicholas cage superman and zack Snyder justice league 2 & 3

No

Jurassic Park is one of the greatest films of all time directed by one of the greatest directors of all time. Why would anyone ever think another director would of done better.

Would be sick!

I would definitely read that comic

What about making an animated movie with the same studio who did the figth Levi vs Mercenaries in AOT. When I saw that scene I instantly thought on how awesome a scene like this would be with Spiderman. Just like Invicible has proven Superhero animation for adults can be great. You can have Josh Keaton as the voice of this Spiderman. Marvel animation needs to come back. Just like DC, The Snyderverse would be awesome in an gritty dark adult animated style just luke Samurái Jack season 5 or Primal.

Imagine in secret wars, James Cameron spider-man appears played by either a older Peter (Leonardo DiCaprio) or a entirely different actor

@@freddyjosereginomontalvo4667imagine James Barnes or someone else doing the voice

Haha yeah and let’s not forget tying MJ down!

@@Bulletsandblockbusters I was including that in my mind, guess I didn't put it in my comment. I imagine that would've been cut, or at least I hope.

Actually the idea was because powerful billionaires were hated back then. You can see the portrayals on Biff Tannen from Back to the Future Part II (1989), Max Schreck from Batman Returns (1992) and President Koopa from Super Mario Brothers: The Movie (1993).

​@KEN-1991 "were" guessing youve never been on twitter before.

It literally makes 0 sense. How are you going to get spider abilities from a fly lol.

Some ppl should not have opinions

@@sovietninja6865did you not pay attention? The mutated fly gets eaten by a spider. The mutation goes to the spider. Then the spider bites Peter.

@@Downtownguy I don’t know dawg! I didn’t write the damn script

That ain't even make sense😭 its always someone random bitten and wouldn't it make more sense that the people experimenting were bitten what was the point of this comment exactly

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For sure but I think it’s more the fact MJ is in high school and has sex while tied down to a guy in a mask lol

Its* It's = "it is" or "it has." Its = belonging to it.

@@englishatheartseriously?

I don't care to see that angle of Spiderman, but I've really been wanting to see a darker TMNT film. Something between Deadpool and The Batman. Gritty and bloody, but juxtaposed with the quips like from the 90s live actions (just not overdone though, like Love and Thunder)

Yeah , but if you really read the script , then u propably know that the webbing was only ilusorical​@@Bulletsandblockbusters

Whatever. Dont underestimate James Cameron

​@@LukeLovesRoseJames Cameron isn't gonna fuck you bro

@@LukeLovesRose ...don't under estimate him to put himself and his ego first.

Thank God Raimi's version made it to the big screen and not James Cameron. Now this might be personal bias talking since Raimi Spider-Man was the first superhero flick I saw in cinema as a child, however, i believe the Sam Raimi version set the perfect tone for what an movie Spider-Man should look and feel like, a tone that even the Webb and MCU are influenced by. The call backs of the Raimi films from the Into the Spiderverse series shows how impactful that version was to a lot of people especially children who grew up to be the people Behind "Into the Spiderverse" and other Spider-Man media like the ps4 games etc. A film being R-rated doesn't automatically make it good. And not everything needs to be R-rated. You can have family friendly films that become timeless classics

@@martianastronaut4917 James Cameron is a master filmmaker. Sam Raimi is very talented but it seems like a thing to trash the master these days. But if he can make a Spiderman movie as timeless as T2, I say MORE POWER TO HIM

You’re right! Not sure how I made that mistake. Nice catch.

It was only a scriptment. The general story, Cameron wanted to tell is there but it definitely would’ve been edited and finalized if it wasn’t cancelled.

Thank you and welcome aboard!

The worst outcome 😮

@@riverman6462 I’d rather Cameron take over instead of Disney ruining Marvel.

Spiderman didn't kick off the MCU though. Sony still owns Spiderman film rights to this day and if anything, the Raimi spiderman kicked off the sonyverse. So if Carolco would've gotten the rights it would've ended up being the Carolcoverse if anything. Iron Man was the film that really kicked off the MCU, although technically The Incredible Hulk (2008) actually kicked it off, since that film is canon considering General Ross showed up in the end credits of Iron Man and mentioned the events that had happened in The Incredible Hulk.

@@RealEllenDeGeneres I said imagine, as in pretend. If James Cameron had released Spider-Man instead of Titanic the superhero movie field would look drastically different. They would have had Titanic money. They could have purchased Marvel and all of their characters and then purchased DC. Also, consider the magnitude of this film. It would have been like the Dark Knight releasing pre X-Men. They would instantly greenlight a sequel and then look to add as many characters to that roster of movies. There's really no telling how different of landscape it would be. But it's very possible that after the success of this Cameron Spider-Man all the studios and Marvel team up to make the MCU. It started as a partnership anyway. Paramount, Universal, Marvel.

@@KenMasters.what about Sam Raimi

I started having a soft spot for different directions in adaptations after watching The Dark Knight because of Heath Ledger's inaccurate but original Joker.

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I think he got the character, but the tone of the film is all wrong and the villain and their goal is kind of weak.

Guarantee Stan Lee would not have signed off on this treatment and it would have been toned down.

Stan Lee loved it apparently

@@ClassifiedRanTomStan Lee most likely would, since he wasn’t the creator of Spider-Man. Steve Ditko was. Stan just wanted to cash in on others creations.

Are you kidding? His script is 100 times better than what came out with Raimi, It was also way better than the Amazing spiderman.

I guarantee his film would've been better. Raimi is a shit director/producer and 90% of his work has been utter trash. And even when the Spiderman trilogy first came out I thought it was mostly mid. I simply got excited because it was basically the only option to seeing a superhero on the big screen. The movies got cornier with each installment and the casting wasn't that great aside from Willem Dafoe and JK Simmons. Albeit Willem's costume was horrible and they should've toned down JK Simmons. He was like a caricature.

​@@RealEllenDeGeneres your opinion, none of your points make much sense anyways, every Sam raimi film is supposed to be corny, if you don't like it, that's fine just watch the first evil dead instead or don't watch his movies at all

Let's make James Cameron Spider-Man 2099 a canon event.

Same man😭

This version of Electro is smart compared to the usually careless and curious version from the comics.

wait until 2058 become public domain

He liked it apparently. Thought it updated Spider-Man for the 90s.

Yeah he’d be great!

For real 😂😂

Mystique is no hero like Jennifer Lawrence. That thing is an abomination.

X-Men had too many miscasts except Patrick Stewart as Charles Xavier because Marvel based the character off of that actor from Star Trek. Also, my least favorite in Spider-Man 1 was James Franco as Harry Osbourne because I don’t see him as Willem Dafoe's son at all, and his New Goblin is too bland. The role of Harry Osbourne back in 2002 should’ve went to 21-year-old Macaulay Culkin instead.

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@KenMasters.I think most people would disagree with you there. Both the original and prequel series of X-Men films had plenty of great castings, Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, Famke Jannsen, James Mardsen, were all iconic. Evan Peters was a better Quicksilver than the MCU one and James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender had great chemistry as Charles and Erik

@@Y2JHHHDX As a die-hard fan of Marvel Comics, I REALLY hated the casting. Not only that, I hated almost everything about the "X" films. The video games *X-Men Legends 1 & 2* were far better 2000s adaptations than what 20th Century Fox gave us. On the X-Men: • The Wolverine/Logan I prefer is the fan-made Jonathan Carroll depiction. • James McAvoy as Xavier is comparable to Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. • Halle Berry is as terrible at being an African every other foreign character (Pyro and Colossus). • Cyclops and Rogue were turned lame and weak. • Famke Jannsen doesn’t come close to being as hot as Jean Grey. • Nightcrawler's depiction was too shallow. • Beast looked like a blue Teen Wolf. • Iceman bored me. On the Brotherhood: • I see nobody for the role of Old Magneto except Daniel Day-Lewis or Jeremy Irons. • Michael Fassbender is way too IRISH to play Young Magneto, and he looks more like Matt "Daredevil" Murdock. • I have no idea why Mystique looks nude, gross and splotchy. • They did Juggernaut the worst. • They didn’t even try with Pyro. • Sabretooth… He looks good, that’s about it. • Toad, they blew his potential.

Both are on the list :)

Nah, a comic book adaptation. Just like what Marlon Wayans' Robin had.

Thanks! We’re on our way

@@Bulletsandblockbusters i see keep them coming

peter doesnt even meet gwen until he goes to college so of course she wouldnt have been in the film if cameron wanted to atleast stay somewhat true to the comics

If james Cameron spiderman mad in spiderman 2 james Cameron we gona see gwen stacy and actuel i remember alecia silvertone was gona be gwen stacy

Ill take this over tom hollands spider man

Electro wasn't Max Dillion in TAS and he was surprisingly...competent.

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I was thinking the same thing lol

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Yes! There should have been a cameo of "Vincent Chase" in the Aquaman Movie

It’s on the to do list

Spielberg is making that into a limited series

The only Spider-Man villain Arnie fits perfectly as in the 1990s is Doctor Doom. For Doc Ock, I would rather see that role go to Ed Harris from James Cameron's The Abyss, who was actually Sam Raimi's first considered casting choice for Doc Ock in his version of Spider-Man.

I mean he already has all those other powers it would make sense that he just has it

@404mali Shouldn't it come from his butt like a spider? My point is Spiderman is pure fantasy, so it shouldn't matter, but Peter is supposed to be a genius. Inventing web shooters is a way to show his intellect.

The Spider-Powers could also give him the knowledge to know how to make the webbing via genetic memory. That just took a sentence to explain. The only problem is now, why doesn't he sell this idea an make a fortune?

@KasumiKenshirou Maybe because it dissolves so it's practical uses would be limited.

@KasumiKenshirou Also, getting rich isn't Peter's motivation. He would have invented them after Ben is murdered when he decided to become a hero.

Thanks! A lot of this is just knowledge I’ve accumulated over the years, plus research, etc.