What Could Have Been: Spider-Man 3 

Agreed

In fairness, they did him differently than Raimi was planning to.

Yea I hope rami wasn’t gonna do the whole youth story with vulture that just seems weird to me anyway.

Full fat video did a video on mcu vulture being a Rami villain or how he resembles one.

Vulture being the final villain is too eh to me Especially since he’s supposedly the weakest one

If they stuck with raimi’s idea I think we would’ve had at least 2 more movies after.

@@frankyoungin8665 Raimi had plans for 6. Vulture, Sandman, and New Goblin for 3, while Lizard, Black Cat, Sinister Six, and more were planned for 4 5 and 6.

A@lot more than 😂

Carnage as villain in 6th movie venom as a villain in the 5th one

​@@Earth12181 venom & carnage should main villains in spiderman 4 and then spiderman 5 villains would be vulture and lizard and mysterio

@thedlsking1628 setting up both venom and carnage along with symbiote spiderman would be a mess,the story could mainly focus on spiderman's symbiote suit and Harry in sm3 peter killing harry in the end because of the symbiote rage with a post credit scene where we see spiderman ripping off venom and the symbiote catches Eddie brock. Then spiderman 4(2011) Eddie's symbiote being a villain in sm4 with Mary Jane dying and venom almost exposes Peter's secret identity(just like spectacular spider)and in the post credits we see a shot of cletus kasidy,in the prison as well as venom reproducing and giving birth to red symbiote which catches clutus kasady,spiderman 4 ends. Spiderman 5(2013-14) Carnage as a main villain,he made the whole city into a manace making everyone just like himself,Gwen being Peter's love interest but in the end Aunt May couldn't survive the carnage attack and dies,later Peter,Iron man and Hulk team up to make a cure and spread it to the whole city,they also team up to fight the carnage in the end with Peter and Gwen getting engaged 💍 and that would be the end of spiderman 5 Spiderman 6(2018)[10 years since the events of spiderman 5] The peter and Gwen engagement was just imagination of peter,as we get to know he is suffering from schizophrenia after MJ and Aunt May's death peter has got a bit older like,he's in his late 30s he has stopped pulling his puches too,this is a physiological thriller movie focusing on Peter's mental health,Gwen is there to help him though and Mysterio being the villain who played with the mind of peter using his illusions,we find out that peter didn't had any mental issues they were just the illusions of Mysterio,his intention to ruin peter is because he is jealous of peter and he always wanted to be a superhero but spiderman took all the limelight we see the story of Mysterio as he was the first superhero of this universe the time when peter was about 10 year old(he got his powers when he was 18) Mysterio while fighting a villain got injured and was in coma for 8 years then spiderman came and most everybody forgot Mysterio In the end peter defeats Mysterio using his spider sense Spiderman 7(2021)[this will be a logan style movie] The last movie peter has got pretty old like 43-45 years of age the movie starts with peter and gwen marriage(it's real this time) but peter is ageing a lot quicker meanwhile we see Miles getting spider powers so peter trains him making him discover the meaning of "responsibility" in the end peter dies fighting The 4 villains-Venom(as he isn't dead),carnage(as he is just in the jail not dead),Vulture,Sandman(who later gets in Peter's team) Peter,Miles and Sandman tried hard but they were not able to save peter in the end In the post credit scene we see all the loving moments and how she was there for pwter when MJ and May died and we also see Gwen's delivery of a child and named her as May Parker! Cast Carnage-Jim Carey Venom-Topher Grace Mysterio-Jake gyllenhaal(he played it the best imo) Vulture-Johnathan Banks Harry-James Franco Gwen-Bryce Dallas Howard Miles Morales-Myles Truitt Spiderman-Tobey Maguire(obviously) MJ-Kirsten Dunst

@thedlsking1628 try reading my story,I didn't thought about it though thease scripts came in my mind instantly when I was reading your comment!

If that happened you can bet Sony wouldn’t think on rebooting at that moment in time especially with a ending like that.

Yeah, I think it just had too many characters and storylines going on. If they kept things simple it would’ve worked.

I believe its about forgiveness, revenge, and vulnerability. He learns to forgive his enemy, Flint Marko, how his need for vengeance and trying to close others out made him into a hollow shell of violence, and to be open to other peoples’ point of view and not just his view

I agree. People often say Venom was unnecessary but I think Sandman and his whole plot wasn’t. I hate the whole Uncle Ben retcon! It ruins the whole first film! Plus who cares about Sandman? I wanted Venom!

@@Nick64266 How does it " ruin the whole first film " ? Uncle Ben still died because Peter let that guy get away .

first movie i ever watched in cinemas, Spider-man 3 will always be a masterpiece in my eyes.

Counterpoint- the cartoon told the Black Suit and Venom story almost perfectly in less than one hour of screen time, and it did follow a three act structure with Eddie only turning into Venom in the last 20 minutes. Raimi just didn't "get" the character or use him properly, and to be fair he didn't really fit the story Raimi did want to tell as easily. But it certainly could have been done fairly easily.

@@jonathancampbell5231 Yep, had Raimi do a cliffhanger, it would have easily have been finished for part one where Brock gets fired from the Bugle after wrongly saying that Lizard was Connors all along, where Connors answers the door, then Brock finds the Venom Symbiote and it leads to him being the host and becoming Venom.

Wait. Sam raimi actually did the evil dead? Shit

@@Honestlynothingelse Yeah. That's why Bruce Campbell (Ash Williams) cameos in many of Raimi's other works. The two became good friends while making the Evil Dead movies.

The original ending was super scary just like evil dead

Thnx for sharing. I was always curious about the specifics

I think the Otto, along with the other villains except Flint, that showed up in No Way Home are sent back to a timeline that branched away from the Raimi trilogy and Webb duology.

What about chameleon or Hydro Man,even Mr negative canwork as a villain of Spiderman 4

@@Earth12181 Mr. Negative as the main antagonist could be a great idea, considering his character was amazing in Insomniac Spider-Man. They’d just need a different storyline.

@@goodblueblox yes,we need new villains

What you guys think about carnage

Yup! I have an entire video on that one

John Malkovich as Vulture, this was gonna be the redemption for Spider Man 3 but they couldn't get the script done on time.

Spider man 3 made 894m had it been well received as 2 and 1 then it could have very easily done 1B.

Harry should've been venom (Not because of Spider-Man 2 ps5)

@@evee907especially with all that rage he had built up since the end of the first movie, it wouldve been a nice move

Thanks Toby!

Facts, just discovered them and already watched three😂 it’s truly amazing how great these films could have been if it weren’t for studio conflict

I'm almost POSITIVE this guy has another, larger channel... His voice is SOOOOOO FAMILIAR but I just can't put my finger on it. 🤷

This movie ISN'T as bad as people say. It isn't as good as Spidey 2, sure, but I think it's WAY better than half the shit the MCU releases every year to immediate critical success. Multiverse of Madness included.

Same

@@narcisosanz8137 NWH and Shang-Chi got nominations for Academy Award and BP2 won Academy Award, none of phase 4 got Razzie , you want truly bad , watch Inhumans-the most rotten thing MCU ever released and Morbius-the first Marvel Razzie since 2008 You will just forget the fact that Endgame took 16 years and only an Avengers film

@@narcisosanz8137 that one didn't age quite so well

@@narcisosanz8137that’s just wrong

part 2 could have been him going to the church after ripping the symbiote that gives us time for a dream scene we never got

The producers didnt want to use it because they thought it looked like a latex porn costume. Seriously.

@@MeltedToast84 😂 that's just sad!

Interesting! Didn’t know that.

@@Bulletsandblockbusters Same here. I'm kinda glad they didn't kill Gwen Stacy off though, because I felt that it would have been overkill.

I heard that the original plan was different. Bryce's Gwen would be kidnapped by Topher's Venom, and Kirsten's MJ would convince James' Harry to help Tobey's Spidey. But since Bryce was found to be pregnant with a son (her first child, she's married to Seth Gable), Kirsten had to go to the damsel part again. Sam Raimi initially promised Kirsten that she wouldn't have to be a damsel anymore, but due to Bryce's pregnancy, Sam had to break his own word and ask Kirsten for doing the damsel role once again. Sam still doesn't like it.

Are you sure? Cuz all reports, including from Raimi and Dunst was that MJ being in danger again in the climax was a studio mandate because of time issues and that Dunst was actually thinking to not return to the film if she had to be the rescue victim again. They had already filmed her original role in the ending too, which was to be the person who convinced Harry to help out Peter against Venom and Sandman. On the audio commentary, Raimi is very candid that he had to summon the courage to apologize to Dunst for putting her back in the damsel in distress role she had already gotten tired of playing but had to because of both time constraints and the fact that Howard was pregnant at the time. Now I could believe this story if I had a source, but when looking at what we already have, I don't know where this piece of information is coming from.

Agreed

It was sandman and vulture originally with a little goblin jr

Vulture was originally the secondary villain in Spider-Man 3. Sandman was always intended to be the main villain for Spider-Man 3. Marvel forced Sam Raimi to replace Vulture with Venom because of fans. The fans have been wanting to see Venom since the first Spider-Man movie came out. Sandman is Sam Raimi's and Tobey Maguire's favorite villain.

Harry should’ve been Venom instead.

Dude fax

it’s perfectly judged and it’s dog shit

An ASM3 would be better than a fourth Raimi film, but the script needs to be right!

There's rumors flying around that there will be a 3rd Garfield film set after the events of No Way Home, where they introduce the sinister six which was teased at the end of TASM2 where they walked into a room filled with stuff like the venom symbiote, a pair of wings (Vulture), mechanical arms (Doc Ock) etc as they are going to Green Goblin's cell. This would be perfect as you could essentially have Mysterio, Kraven the Hunter, The Vulture, Venom, Doc-Ock and Green Goblin create the Sinister Six to combat Spider-Man. It was also rumored that Mary Jane Watson was going to appear in TASM3 as well since her scenes with Gwen and Peter were cut from TASM2 for unknown reasons.

@@GenGamesUniverse where did you hear these rumors??

@@Elvirabgmore speculation actually

@@GenGamesUniversevenom?, I though rhino was also going to be part of the members

LMAO 😂😂

That's a roller-coaster of a movie memory. Two enthusiastic thumbs up.

Fantastic four X men 3 hulk

How old were you?

I actually loved the film as a kid but as an adult I can totally see it’s messy. Too much stuff for one flick. It should’ve been longer tbh I think then it may work

Amen

All for 90s tasm dude

I’ve been saying that for years! I do love what we got, but that would’ve been better.

​@anamericanwolf8728 Just having Spiderman get the Alien Costume would of been a great movie. Where he becomes more confident in himself and stronger as a hero. While becoming are darker more violent version of himself that we saw if the animated series and comic book

And if spidey killed him in a showdown? Would be the perfect setup for Jameson to make spider slayers in 4, and scorpion.

I said this for a while, that would have been perfect considering they already introduced John Jameson in 2 and he already would have had a connection to Peter Parker in Mary Jane

Yea he did especially with SM 2 you would think the studios would trust him enough to do thst.

Agreed

I don't know how not making Connors the lizard somehow impacts the qualities of his original ideas. The Osborn plot line was already built up in 2 movies, done well mind you, so it would have been interesting to see on how they develop that given more time. The only thing that isn't so compelling is The New Goblin plans itself.

They should have made Harry the hobgoblin have him wear a hoodie like thing over his mask with the sliver masks shown in the movie that way it could include the hobgoblin.

i feel like the plan was to eventually make dr connors into the lizard in a sequel

@@xavierramirez1911 Sam Raimi flat-out said that it wasn't.

Thanks!

Thank you!!

Spider-Man 2 Homecoming Spider-Man Spiderverse Far From Home No Way Home TASM Spider-Man 3 TASM 2

1. Into the Spider-Verse 9/10 2. No Way Home 8.5/10 3. Spider-Man 2 8.5/10 4. TASM 8.5/10 5. Far From Home 8/10 6. Spider-Man 7.5/10 7. Homecoming 7.5/10 8. Spider-Man 3 6/10 9. TASM 2 6/10 Changed a few since I didn’t agree with my original Ranking anymore. Edit: What the hell was I thinking to give Spider-Man 3 a 7/10, 6/10 not great but still fun. Also, I warmed up a bit to TASM 2.

Thnx!

Thanks. They’re on the to do list

Venom and lizard should be the villane

Look at little goblin jr, gonna cry?

@@Bulletsandblockbusters You want forgiveness? Get religion.

@@Bulletsandblockbusters You're trash, Brock.

​@@jacenskywalker507you'll get your rent when you fix this DAMN DOOR!

@@Honestlynothingelse If you want the shots, I'll take the staff job. Double the money.

Based

No way. It would be even more panned now than it was before.

@@RainDog0680 I mean there will always be PPL who dislike anything there is. But modern movies are being so crap that sp3 would be a masterpiece

Raimi ripped himself off a lot. The climax to Spider-Man is also very similar to darkman.

I like Goku failing to be a bad guy better tho at the end of DBZ

Agreed. That way they have time to tell both stories: sandman and venom

Agreed.

And Avi Arod