What Darth Plagueis Thought of Sith Emperor Vitiate! (Legends) 

Plagueis was right about a whole lot of things. Vitiate only cared about immortality, and comparatively little about the Sith and their legacy. He certainly formed a great Sith Empire, but that was only meant to incite the war that would allow him to truly transcend death, and he had no issue turning against it when he had no further use of it. All the Dark Side knowledge Vitiate amassed was lost, and he failed to share it with a true apprentice or the Empire at large. So while he enabled Sith civilization to survive and became legendary for his long reign and the decades-long conflict he caused, his overall contribution to the lasting Sith legacy passed down from generation to generation seems to have been negligible.

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I think Vitiate might be my favorite character in the EU. He's so Supreme in every respect (except for lightsaber combat) that he singlehandedly created the most powerful Sith Empire in history over the course of several millennia. Until Palpatine finally came around, NO ONE was on his level.

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Like all Sith, his greatest failing was dying. As long as you're alive, apparently you're right in doing pretty much anything. Sidious was right to abandon the rule of two, and discard direct challenges to his power by politically suppressing anyone or anything that may one day cause him to address his abilities in the way the ancient Sith did.... until he died.

And now Disney makes 500 comics about the same characters of the OT again and again. "Oh look, that's what Darth Vader had for breakfast". *sigh* I miss Legends, the Real Star Wars.

Vitiate is my favorite Sith Lord

Sees the title! A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one! Keep making those awesome Old Republic content Non-Cannon Expert!

im so blesssed why thank you SWRC, Very cool!

A Plagueis novel movie adaptation would be an amazing "Rogue One" for the Prequel Trilogy. Such a great character

I can't watch the video, I'm half way done Plagueis novel! Great Video overall!

And then Jedi Masters Qui-Gonn, Obi-wan, Yoda, and later Anakin became Force Ghosts and essentially one-upped the Ancient Sith stuck in their holocrons and perishable bodies.

The reason he died is because I'm an unstoppable Zabrak Sith juggernaut.

I disagree. Vitiate's sole goal was godhood. He had already achieved immortality through essence transfer...just not invincibility. At least he was real close though. Closer than anyone short of beings like Abeloth and others. Vitiate didnt care about Jedi or Sith. He played both sides and used them as a means to an end. He said this himself to Marr and the Alliance Commander in KotET, and many Jedi and Sith confirmed he was immortal and working on becoming invincible.

Plageuis cant judge Vitiate too much on the failure side seeing as by his and Palpatine's time theyd lost so much force abilities and HARDLY can say they had so much force abilities when they lost so much of it an hes one to talk about failure centered around obsessions since he himself AND his successor BOTH fell into that trap too

Vitiate or Valkorian was hellbent on domination. His immortality was merely a way of extending his dominance. And ehile he WAS immortal, he wasn't invulnerable. That is his flaw. Not his immortality but his vulnerability. It's ironic that Plagueis wasn't impressed by Valkorian, but still didn't live as long as him.

Can we take a moment to reflect on the lovely voice Vitiate had as Valkorion?

Definitely my favorite Star Wars villain, Tenebrae is such an awesome villain. He attempted to forge his own Empire twice, with the 2nd being his masterwork. An army of force users who'd blindly obey him, unlike the Sith which were a double-edge sword, an a civilization that lived to do his will.

Tenabrae/Vitiate/Valkorion is my favourite Sith Lord of all time. He's so wise and he has power to back it up. Even Revan wasn't powerful enough to kill him and he was trained by Marka Ragnos. He also killed his first person (his father) just by thinking about it when he was just 6 years old. He killed a thousand Sith by consuming their life essences on Medrias and turning it into Nathema. He had a child who was so powerful he locked her away on Nathema and drove her insane and into a psychotic, genocidal hellbringer. Caused his son to murder his brother in cold blood and had no remorse and also turn him into a cold and callous tyrant. And do you know what makes him spectacularly evil... He didn't have a morsel of regret for any of it.

The dark side is a pathway to many abilities, some consider to be unnatural! I'd love to collaborate soon!

Respect the past, revive it if necessary. And Great video!

Momin didn't seem to care for conventional immortality so much as cultural infamy. He would likely see Vitiate as a fool for having achieved the means to create grand works but doing nothing with it, and Plagueis as a fool for trying to manipulate his master and only source of power. Of course, with Sith, one must wonder why they want that level of control at all. The dark side, as Bane learned, perpetuates a meaningless search for power that degrades the self, until only a lust for power remains. If any Sith had succeeded in their goals, they still ultimately would have accomplished no more than a force ignorant nobody.

Now that TLJ and Solo vitriol has died down, I can get back to enjoying my legends lore. Plagueis is my fave Sith Lord and I’m still pissed that they never used him again. EXCELLENT book, what a wasted opportunity

After everything unfolded as it did, I wonder if Darth Plagueis would still think so little of the past sith when he accomplished less and is now just a memory close to myth

I strongly feel that Disney should make the Plagueis book canon. It was so well written and informative! I loved it and the Obi Wan book!

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Plagueis is wrong here. Vitiate's goal wasnt to gain power over people, it was to wipe out the entire universe.

Vitiate did all Plagueis wanted to do and more… he no longer focused on Sith or Jedi and only focused n his Godhood. He already had a great Sith Empire. And for all we know he could still be around… living a life as anyone doing anything. Ultimately Plagueis while wise in theory could not put his plan into motion which is something Tenebrae was able to do over lifetimes. And Plagueis didnt have to contend with strong Sith Lords and Jedi trying endlessly to kill or overtake him. The Jedi never knew of his existence and there were only 2 true Sith. Sure you can count Venemous. But there were ancient Sith Lords with great power all thru The reign of the Sith Emperor who got bored with the Sith game and started something different elsewhere… So while he was great and all that Plagueis in the end could not look down on the works of Vitiate when he couldnt even live thru his own lifetime

Momin was a unique kind of Sith fanatic in a cult of his own making. I don't think he would agree with anyone who had a different view of the force than him.

The tragedy of Darth Plagious the Wise by Shiv Palpatine: He payed for his lack of vision. The End

"If not for MeeEEeEeeeE" Sorry but it was too funny

I wonder what Vitiate would think of Sith like Darth Bane or Plagueis?

The only reason Vitiate was focused on the physical was so that he could feed on war and sacrifice everyone :D

Plaguies thinks Vitiate only wants the galaxy Vitiate prepping to destroy the entire galaxy for imortallity

I wish Bioware thought so little of Vitiate. Maybe then they wouldn't have devoted the last 5 fucking years to him!!!

Plagueis certainly makes good points about Vitiates failings but for all Vitiates flaws he formed a Sith Empire that lasted for thousands of years, countless powerful Sith rose and fell during his thousand year reign serving in his empire. In Comparison to Banes and ultimately Plagueis legacy I would still count Vitiate as having more significant success, after all the rule of two continued for a thousand years to bring the Sith back to power but culminated in Sidious ruling for only a few decades and Sith being wiped out.

lol looking down on Vitiate he managed to live more than a 1000 years, plagueis was killed in his sleep he wasn't probably even a hundred xD, Vitiate actually had the right idea first gain immortality then ascend to god hood.

Vitiate has the strongest lightning in star wars wym? He one shotted Darth Marr. He literally drained a planet. Only Palpatine can be compared to Vitiate. Plagueis would be top 10 memes for Valky

I left a like for *wondering what Momin would think about all this*

To be fair Sidious if he found ways to reach immortality early on would of also grasped for it

Does anyone know if any Rule or 2 Sith have thoughts about our favourite fat sith: Darth Baras?

Ok I need to re read the plagueis novel . Every time I watch a video on plagueis I realize that I might of read it too fast cuz I don’t remember him speaking on vitiat in that novel

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instead of askyng myself "What would Jesus do?" these days, I need to ask myself "What would Lord Momin think o me?"

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If Darth Plagueis had accomplished as much as Vitiate, then he might talk... But paraphrasing the words of Vitiate: "You know how to talk. Now I'll teach you how to listen." The only error Vitiate did, as everyone do at some point, was to build a mind-cage to control Vaylin. Without this cage, he would never had got trapped, and banished into the void. So, the weapon that killed him was his own device. Ironic.

is lucas's canon. I don't follow, disney's canon

I guess Plagueis forgot that Vitiate had renounced the sith.

Plagueis vs Vitiate who wins?

Vitiate was a force to reckoned with, as he was powerful at a young age, which caught the attention of Marka Ragnos. The undoing of a lot of the Sith was their lust for power and not adhering to the teachings of those before them.

Very interesting! Thanks for sharing, sir! I always wondered what modern SIth thought of the true master of the Dark Side.

Can we please settle this once and for all: VISH-EEE-ATE or VIT-EEE-ATE?! Did he not realize that ruling from the shadows, telling nobody his name and allowing conspiracies about his non-existence and/or replacement was so detrimental to those of us who want to talk Star Wars lore and need to pronounce his name consistently?

Hey Star Wars Reading Club, who would win: Darth Malgus or Lord Scourge? If so, then why would he win?

Hey Star Wars Reading Club, I have a question unrelated to the video: Do you forgive Tahiri Veila for killing Pellaeon?

You ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise? I thought not, it's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a dark lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise, he could use the force to influence the midichlorians to create life. He had such a knowledge of the Dark Side, he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. He became so powerful, the only thing he was afraid of was loosing his power, which, eventually of course, he did. Unfortunately he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic, he could save others from death, but not himself.

What Species is Plagueis?

Your video will make a fine addition to my collection.

Man plagueis should have been better or somthing along those lines

It seems Darth Plagueis wasn't that wise after all. A fool I would say. He was a weakling, and complete loser compared to Vitiate. Even Marka Ragnos one of the greatest Sith Emperors of all time (Who was never defeated) hand Chose Vitiate to be his true successor. Plagueis was a complete pussy who had to murder his master in a cowardly fashion. Vitiate's Empire, and rule dominates Plagueis in every way.

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What would happen if Darth Bane was a Jedi?

I wanna die!

I will admit i enjoy your videos.. but I cannot stand your outro, it is awful.. You need to figure something else out dude. It's the reason I stick with Star wars theory and the others and don't watch yours as much, just because of the ending. Please, please change that "if not for me" bull crap, because in the end it is for you that we are here, for your content...

Quit using that corporate Disney label "Legends"... We don't speak shill here. IT'S THE EXPANDED UNIVERSE. If you want me to keep subscribing you'll stop using Disney's bullshit.

It's curious that Plagueis thinks this way about the old Sith, when almost the exact opposite is true. Darth Vitiate deciding to let go of worldly matters is ultimately what led to his downfall, several times over. It was Darth Marr that unified the Empire after Vitiate decided he was bored of it, and it was Darth Marr's devotion to the Empire and its people that allowed him to truly ascend and become a force ghost, instead of merely a twisted entity or spirit. It's why Darth Marr goes down in history as one of the greatest Sith of all time, because he never lost focus of his Empire, unlike Vitiate or Palpatine. It was Marr's unwillingness to leave his people undefended from Vitiate that allowed him to live on, and eventually pass on.

Darth Revan and Darth Malik urn in to the Dark side by this Emperor.

Moman was EXACTLY who I was thinking of as you mentioned him! He'd have been disgusted.

Darth plagueis to sidieous Did you ever hear the tragedy of darth vitiate the wise

He thought Damn why ain't I just do that

Edan's teaching of hate won't succeed coz we've got Shayvand his friends. Oh and Esquilo doesn't like Cueca wanting to control Edan.

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This video and/or Plagueis are wrong (I assume the latter). Vitiate lived for over 1,300 years. What does immortality mean? Living beyond natural life span and thereafter until the end of time. Immortality does not make a being invulnerable to mortal injuries. The average lifespan of the Sith species is longer than humans but not longer than 1,000 years. I can't find any other Sith who lived as long as Vitiate. The only Sith I could find who lived any where near as long as Vitiate is Adas who died at about 300 years of age. It was confirmed in the Revan novel that both Vitiate and Scourge are immortal but neither are invulnerable. It was not a manipulation of midichlorians but it was immortality nevertheless. We don't really know how much knowledge Vitiate had of midichlorians but we must assume it was substantial... maybe more or less than Plageuis. Whatever knowledge he had he made effective use of it. Plageuis resented Vitiate because he too wanted immortality. One of the means by which he attempted that was the manipulation of midichlorians. Immortality was his ultimate goal, creation and destruction of life with midichlorians was an additional hobby of his. He admitted too that Vitiate's power and skill was negligible compared to other Sith because there was little to no information from which he could learn. As fans we know more about Vitiate than most of the other Sith including Plageuis and Sidious did. We also know that the two of them (Plag and Sids) conspired for decades to challenge the Republic and belonged to a Sith Order that acted from the shadows for a 1,000 years. Vitiate alone superseded their achievement by living longer than 1,300 years during which he must have gained a lot of knowledge (Sith Inquisitor class known for interrogation speciality) and hundreds of thousands of intelligent force users learn more than two. He ordered a large scale war on the Jedi/Republic in much the same way as Sids did with more or less the same result: about 2 decades of dominance over rebels before death. Vitiate was ruling an Empire or two for a millennium before he too was killed. The usual argument is the dark side is divided among hundreds of thousands of Sith during Vitiate's era therefore they must have been weaker than 2 Dark Lords who harnessed all dark side power. It is a nice theory, but we know there were other dark side users during every era and the concentration of dark energy within each individual of Bane's Sith Order failed in terms of demonstrable feats. The Old Republic had exhibitions of very many spectacular feats of dark side power and Vitiate is definitely on top of that list. The limitation on Sith research probably hindered advancements as explained above: more brains the better. Then there are arguments about the legitimacy of those feats. Are they canon feats? Do they belong within their own SW universe? I can only tell you what exists in the SW universe, not speculation about canon. Those feats exist and I've seen nothing like that from Bane's Sith Order that I can compare. With the exception of Plageuis and Sidious, I assume that even Nilhilus can kill Vader, Maul, Dooku and we know how hard it was to kill Sion. Vitiate is much stronger than Kriea's Triumvirate friends. Vitiate devastated entire planets with a planetary death field. He possessed thousands of strong Sith simultaneously. He used force lightning and force storm all the time.

This is completely incorrect. After empoying the sith blood ritual created by Exar Kun he became cursed by a similar affliction as Darth Nihlus. The hunger to consume force life energy superceded his ability to feed it. His ultimate goal wasn't to rule the galaxy, it was to consume it in its entirety believing it would essentially make him a God. So no, Tenebrae had no desire to use immortality to rule the galaxy.

How amusing that trash talker Plagueis got killed while being drunk and left no legacy behind. In my mind Valkorion is S-tier force user while Plagious is D tier at BEST

4:45 I'm pretty sure momin would be iffy about plagueis ideals. He talked a lot about making the force into a beast of burden and bending it to his will rather than serving it as momin did. ESPECALLy since I'm a way the darkside did offer him a form of life after the demise of his body , momin would probably see the force rebelling against plagueis coming from a mile away

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In all honesty.. I don't understand why people care about Darth Plagueis, he was so incompetent he forgot that sith apprentices eventually work their way up to over throwing their masters and all this flim flam about him finding a way to immortality clearly didn't do any thing for him. Darth Plagueis the Hype. Still it's a good video none the less.

i don´t like that luceno put references from the revan novel and the immo in the plagueis novel he should have ignored the revan novel and the immo but he was a eu purist so he accepted everything from legends as canon even when the eu destroyed characters.him and many of the eu fans accept blindly the entire legends canon as canon but considering legends canon doesn´t mean accepting everything from legends as canon to me kotor 3 fan mod jedi masters is canon and the revan novel and the immo are a alternate universe

Plagueis is an idiot then cause vitiate didn’t care about the sith empire all he cared about was absorbing all life and becoming a god like entity; That goes for all the modern sith Palpatine and plagueis wouldn’t even be in the top 5 most powerful sith of the old sith empire, and if Darth Revan lived during modern times it would’ve been a shorter fight with emperor Palpatine

Cool video Glenn! Wd!

ironic, Plagueis was a putz by comparison

What the bringer of the destruction of the sith thought about Chad lord Vitiate

Love both of these sith...... I mean hate hate yeah 😒😏

Were the mortis family considered celestials?

Lol I liked your "If not for me" I think this one is one of my favorites.

How dare you Plagueis!

If not for meee, for diarrhea!

Why do you talk so damn slow?

Erasing Vitiate's legacy becomes my character's leading motivation after slaying him. Starting with his creation, the Sith Empire. Dark vaults and such to follow thereafter.

vitiate was immortal tho

Trinston was here..

Vitiate is not even canon.

Why does the jedi temple look like a Purina factory? This always puzzled me.

Manipulating the midichlorians seemed like a good idea until Plagueis met the young Anakin Skywalker

Plagueis didn't succeed in being as powerful as the celestial but he did single handedly become responsible for someone who could be that powerful(anakin)

The only reason Vitiate lived so long was because he hid for 99% of his life. He did a ritual to achieve immortality. He is well accomplished but overhyped.

says the guy who got killed by his apprentice while being drunk, but plagueis was right, vitiate didnt care about the sith and their goals, he was beyond any mortal dogma :D

Every sith critiques and looks down on other Sithlords they are selfish to give props to others would be admitting their own shortcomings