What did the Romans think of the Greeks? 

As usual, I do not cite my sources, because I still have a full-time job and I just can't be bothered. However, here are most of the (secondary) sources I used, and which I recommend if you'd like to learn more! "Greece Against Rome by Philip Matyszak" - Very approachable, although the interplay between the various successor kingdoms was quite complicated and it delves fairly deeply into that. I don't recommend this book unless you're interested in classical antiquity IN GENERAL, and not just Rome. To be clear, you should be. "The Story of Greece and Rome by Tony Spawforth" - Certainly less approachable, but incredibly well-written. There are two types of non-fiction books on the ancient Mediterranean. Those which talk about pottery shards, and those which don't. Those which do are drier, certainly, but also don't indulge themselves in unreliable primary sources, instead choosing to focus on that which we can ascertain from archeological evidence. This is the book to read on this subject if you've got patience and a true hunger for knowledge. "Rome: The Rise and Fall of an Empire by Simon Baker" - This is a beach read, through-and-through, but that is no insult. It jumps around through the life of the Republic and Empire, and is exceedingly entertaining, albeit sorta pulpy. If you just wanna have a good time and get a broad overview of Rome, this is the one. Can't recommend it enough. Thanks for watching. Rome invicta, DJ Peach Cobbler

Greeks: You're too late, Roman. I've already sculpted YOU as the Soyjak and ME as the Chad

"The Romans were Greek and the Greeks were not only Roman, they were also the last Romans". This fucking quote will keep me up all night from overthinking. Amazing video man

"Leave me to my circles, Roman" is such a raw-ass line I'm astonished I hadn't heard before watching this

"Leave me to my circles, Roman." gotta be some of the hardest last words of all time.

D.J. "Peach" Cobbler was a brilliant storyteller, historian, entertainer and editor who once feigned irony and shitposting because of his insecurity in his own talents. It is only after he dropped his mental barriers and imaginary things like a "full time job" in late 2023 that he would begin to conquer RU-vid and then the world. It is because of this power, however, that his mental state declined into madness, as it had begun doing after he hit 300 subscribers.

Hey Lois, do you remember that time we stole our culture from the Greeks?

“to ride a horse, to draw a bow, and to speak the truth.” Herodotus the Persians used to use hunting as war practice, helped cooperation and made youth to be sharp and on their feet. it created the habit of waking up early, becoming resilient to cold and hot air, get used to walking for long duration and mastering horseback riding and create a brave individual.

Cobbler, during the reign of Nero the term "imperator" was never used as a title. It was "princeps" as styled after Augustus. It wasn't until well into the CE that the "dominus" period started when emperor's started going by more regal titles like dominate or imperator.

The fact Cobbler is able to produce this quality content while having a full-time job is astounding.

"bedder of kin" is perhaps the most apt description of any Spanish monarch in that time period

As a gamer obsessed with Roman history.. this is like crack to a Hunter. So well put, and so very poignant to remember they were indeed the last Romans.

Small fun fact: in Hebrew, the term "mit'yaven" (מִתְיַוֵּן)- a person in the process of converting into Greek culture- is still used as a pejorative to this day.

"This bussy got me questioning my loyalty to Rome"- Nero, probably

This how it feels like when Kanye finally dropped Donda😭😭👨🏿‍🍳

Funny thing about us Greeks: Today the feelings of culture and belonging are very similar as they were in ancient times. Often if you speak Greek, use our mannerisms, observe our cultural norms and ways of thinking, you're basically one of us. I have a number of relatives of Non-Greek origin who married into my family and basically assimilated. Even though some of them don't look Greek at all, the fact that they act and speak like Greeks means that nobody really thinks of them as foreign.

32:29 Why everyone is saying that Alexander wasn’t greek? The Macedonians were Doric greek, the same tribe as the ancient Spartans, dude was from the Argiad dynasty, his mother was Greek as well, his name was greek, his religion was greek, his language was greek he participated on the Olympic Games something that was only allowed for the Greeks and a great grandfather of his warned the rest of the Greeks for the Persian invasion. Sure the rest of the greek city states frowned upon the Macedonians because they were a kingdom and not an oligarchy or a democracy but that doesn’t make them less greek.

"Civilizations are a lot like gay sex, in that of course, while the greeks did not invent those things, they sure as shit perfected them." -DJ Peach Cobbler

Bro I’ve been waiting for what seems like my entire life for another ancient history video from you.

Glad to see the light of insanity nested within your eyes grow increasingly brighter with each passing video Cobbler. May a future enemy soldier of the climate wars spare you when you dismiss him by saying "leave me to my chalks, yankie".

“Stopped Athens and Sparta from slap fighting over who was gayer” can not stop cackling over that line

*THE MOST ANTICIPATED SEQUEL OF ALL TIMES* glad to have you back cobbler, hope you've been well :*

“The secret to happiness is to stop reading every book on Rome about 3/4 of the way through.” Never have I heard something so true.

Your freeform kinda tongue in cheek history videos are some of the best on YT. No one else really compares. When I get tired of reading or watching lectures I always end up rewatching one of these. Thanks Cobbler great stuff

I don’t think he looked away from the camera once LMAO. It’s like he was looking into my soul.

3 things I want to say about this video: A: The lack of Sparta in this entire dialogue speaks volumes. By the time of Rome, Sparta was just a bug on the windshield of Rome's war machine conquering Greece. There were a few Romans who admired the Spartans, but the Spartan system was obviously one of failure in the Roman era. Ironically the Spartans too were blunt, straight forward people who prided themselves on power, very much like the earlier Romans. The fact that it is Athena on Trajan's armor above the she wolf, and not any other Greek symbol, speaks to Athen's specific cultural dominance. 2: The lack of Christianity in this video is in my opinion a bit of a fault. Christianity to me is the puzzle piece that links all of this lack together. Lets circle back to Alexander's invasion of the Persians, which unified Greek and Persian culture. Persians were Zoroastrians, and the Hellenization of Zoroastrianism created a more philosophical version of Monotheism. A few centuries later, Christianity arose as a very specifically anti-Roman religion, not anti-Greek, no the finger was pointed squarely at Rome's bluntness and empire. And how did Jesus die according to the tale? He died from a mob rule jury decision from the Romans, a death very much like that of Socrates. Jesus died a Philosopher's death. Christianity then spread like wildfire to the Greek parts of the Empire, the Romans, being Greek weebs, formed secret underground Societies of Christians and eventually took over Roman itself. When Rome became Christian, Roman culture had been completely supplanted by that of the Greeks, and that new culture would survive another millenium. Γ: The Japanese comparison is interesting, it doesn't completely fit, but, we do have a situation where an Empire (America / Rome) invades another older civilization (Japan / Greece). In the proceeding generations the new empire admired the culture of the conquered and adopts it, as the Japanese seem to do capitalism better than Americans.

bro I was so enthralled with your storytelling I had to go back a few times in the video just to be sure I am getting the picture because man it is vivid

What a beautiful telling of Greek and Roman history. You make my favorite videos on this platform. I can’t wait for whatever you make next :)

Easily the best history teacher/game reviewer on the platform

While I have definitely been enjoying “news-shitposting Cobbler” it’s great to see “history-shitposting Cobbler” make a return I’ve unironicaly been waiting for this

I'm so happy you made a part 2! The original video was one of my favourites from you!

Tangential, but we actually have documentation on what the Aztec (or more specifically, the Mexica of Tenochtitlan) thought of other Mesoamerican civilizations and fellow Nahua ethnic subgroups. The Florentine Codex is a 12 (13 with index) volume series of documents totaling thousands of pages which give insight on Mexica religion, history, social customs, hierarchies, ethics, occupations and industries, moral adages, and tons more. And at the end of volume 10, which is all about social classes, occupations, there's a whole chapter about Mexica sterotypes of other people. I'll give somewhat of a brief overview on each civilization and culture and what the Mexica thought of them below,: - Chichimeca: Chichimeca is actually a broader label to describe mostly nomadic or nomadic tribes in Northern Mexico, as opposed to the urban civilizations in Mesoamerica (Central Mexico, the Gulf Coast, Oaxaca, West Mexico, Chiapas, and the Yucatan Peninsula), though the Mexica and other Nahua groups the "Aztec" label applies to (some use it to specifically mean the Mexica) were actually Chichimecs themselves who had migirated into Central Mexico and adopted local civilization. The Chichimeca were both viewed as primitive and savage, but also hardy, headstrong, skilled bowmen (the bow was associated with the Chichimeca, as opposed to the civilized toltecs with the Atlatl) and warriors, and there being a monk-like respectability in their simple lifestyle. Basically, the Mexica and other urbanized Nahuas saw them/their earlier roots as "noble savages". - Toltecs: As with the Chichimeca section, this is more a telling of histories/legends then ethnic sterotypes. The Toltecs were a maybe-real-but-heavily-mythologized, or entirely mythical civilization in Central Mexico that existed in the centuries preceding the Nahua migirations into the area, where the Toltec were seen as this utopian Nahua society that gave rise to the arts, sciences, high culture, laws, and so on. (In reality If the Toltec existed at all theywere probably a medium sized kingdom among many, probably weren't Nahuan, and those things/civilization in Central Mexico goes back much, much earlier); with them invariably in all accounts declining or collapsing (sometimes cyclically) due to moral degeneration and temptation. There is a looooooot more that can be said about Aztec legends of the Toltec and how it played into their ethnic and dentity and was used to legitimize their political power, but that's it's own giant topic. - Otomi: This was an existing civilization in Central Mexico and in NorthWestern Mesoamerica. Sadly, there's not a ton of archeological documentation or their sites of colional period source son their Prehispanic culture, but many Otomi towns and cities got displaced during the Nahua migirations, and there was one major Otomi kingdom, Meztitlan, that escaped Aztec conquests. In the Florentine, the Otomi are described as "civilized", because they "wore cloaks, sandals, and breethcloths" (of course, because so did the Mexica/nahuas) and had nobles, priests, kings,, and that the sandals they wore and the skirts women had were of good quality. It says they "disliked flat roofs" and preferred straw ones; and that they had good maize, and their best foods were fruit tamales, cooked beans, dogs, gophers and deer. In terms of what the Mexica saw as bad, they chastise the Otomi for being greedy (they bought all they longed for...even though it was not really necessary"); for wearing gaudy clothes and feathers and body paint; for being lazy ("although great workers of the land, they did not apply themselves to gaining the necessities of life") being being unskilled and stupid: There's a whole list of jokes the Mexica would make about calling each other Otomis when somebody was unskilled or dumb ("Not only art thou like an Otomi, but thou art a REAL Otomi, a miserable...green head, thick-head, a-big-tuft-of-hair-over-one's head, otomi blockhead"). It also notes that though the Otomi were great wavers, their textiles had little value as they preferred Maguey fiber rather then cotton. - Matlatzinca: A civilization in Central Mexico, located around the Toluca valley. Says their name comes from the way they husked maize, by beating it inside nets (Net = matla(tl) in Nahuatl), and that they also one of their sacrifice methods was to crush somebody inside a net (The text goes on to describe the origin of a few other names for the civilization, like the Quaquata and Toloque). They say they were good with using slings in battle and for hunting, and due to their homelands being cold, they were a rugged and hardy people skilled at manual labor, and apparently had a reputation for being "presumptious and disrespectful", with one of their alternate names being used as an insult for that, but on the flip side they made great pulque(? it says "maguey wine", which I assume means pulque) called Quatealtl that was the REAL shit that instantly made people drunk. The text goes on to call them uncultured for wearing maguey clothes and not speaking Nahuatl, though some did, and pronounced "r" weirdly, and that their lands lacked chillis and salt, and that their main dishes were tamales, beans, atole, and popcorn. Apparently the fact that they bathed early in the morning was also seen as a positive moral virtue. - Totonac and Huastec: These were civilizations along the gulf coast in what's now Veracruz, best known because Cempoala, the capital of one of 3 major Totonac kingdomss, was one of the first cities to give Cortes refuge on his expedition. The Mexica say they have long, columnar faces ans are broad headed, and notes the tropical climate they lived in was good for growing fruit and copal. Like with the Otomi, the Mexica praises the Totonacs for wearing similar clothes to themselves, also mentioning quetzal tassels, fans, and reed-mats (which are a big thing to the Aztec), and that the women had nice shirts and shawls, both embroided and multicolor, wore cloth strips with feathers in the hair, and that they did their hair and fashion well using mirrors. Likewise, that the women were skilled seamstresses and both the men and women were tall, slender, but firm and attractive. It goes onto say they were good singers and dancers, and good cooks with tamales, chillis, and specialty tortillas.Much of this they also apply to the Huastecs, but note that that they liked to collect heads from captive warriors, and disiked how they didn't use breechcloths and filed their teeth down. - "Olmeca, Uixtoti, and Mixteca": This requires some explanation: "Olmeca" here does not mean the Olmec civilization as we know it, which existed in southern Veracruz and Tabasco thousands of years before the Aztec period, but rather the inhabitants of that area during the Aztec period. The Mixtecs were one of two very major civilizations in Oaxaca, alongside the Zapotec; and honestly I'm not sure what the Uixtoti are. In any case, the Mexica state that their land was a place of richness and abundence, with wealth and flowers: Gold, Silver, precious stones, cacao, spices, rubber, troupial, spoonbill, cotinga, and parrot feathers, etc; and their people great artisans, in fact calling them Toltec descendants. - Purepecha: In the text, called the Michoaque. The Purepecha (also known as Tarascans) actually had the third largest empire in the Americas after the Inca and Aztec empires and repeatedly crushed attempted Aztec invasions. Here the Purepecha are noted to often shave their heads, and there's an emphasis on how much of their clothing was made with skins and hides rather then textiles, which isn't described negatively, but I'm sure the implication was poor, same with them noting their preference for the bow (again, associated with the Chichimecas, ironically though their use of the bow is often credited to their military success over the Aztec). Like the prior trio, they are described as great craftsmen, with women being skilled weavers and seamstresses, and talks about how they would cook in giant feasts what they'd eat across multiple days. But then there's a scathing series of insults about how the men didn't wear breechcloths and how their piercings were too big, and how the women didn't wear blouses but only skirts, so both the men and women had their naughty bits out; and that they were poor cooks. - Other Nahuas: Sadly, this is very light, and basically is just the Meixca saying "they're like us but they don't speak Nahuatl quite as elegantly as we do". However, it's widely disscussed in other sources and modern academia that the Acolhua subgroup, which had many cities on the eastern side of the Valley of Mexico, the political core of the Aztec Empire (most notably Texcoco, the second most powerful Aztec city after Tenochtitlan) were seen as more intellectual and closer to alleged Toltec heritage compared to the Mexica, who were seen as fierce warriors closer to the Chichimeca roots; in a sort of Athens vs Sparta way. However, this is at least partially the result of accounts by Acolhua authors in the 16th and 17th centuries trying to make themselves look better. (and inded the Mexica leveraged both their chichimeca and claimed Toltec heritage to present a dual warrior-intellectual image) I skipped over some cultures that aren't talked about as much, and tried to focus on the information that was more the Mexica views of their cultural idiosyncrasies rather then just the descriptive info they give about their practices. I also think it's worth noting that it's probably not an accident so much of these descriptions are focused on the goods each culture had, since the Aztec Empire's goal in expansionism was to extract resources from tributary and vassal states, and that the Mexica women sort of dressed conservatively and were sort of prudes, hence so many other groups being described as scandalous or garish.

Ok the history videos don’t get as many views but their still my favorite. Glad you decided to keep going with them

There's some many little moments in these 2 parts that make me really appreciate the work you do Cobby. Pyrrhus calling the Romans barbarians and the Cohen piano in the back coming to a crescendo that made me think the Legend of Zelda would start playing afterwards are some to name a few. The skits and pop culture inserts are top notch

This channel has quickly become one of my favourite channels on the internet. Huge props.

I can't put my finger on it. But I think part of what i really enjoy about your work, peach, is the layer of sadness underneath all that gallows humor and self aware commentary. We are fascinated with the Roman culture because we both feel like it's inheritors (like the 6th culture to do so) and feel as if we are in a similar state of decline. And I really do like your reframing of the question: we shouldn't ask so much how Rome fell, but look into Jesus christ almighty how did it last a tenth of the time that it did? Fantastic work. Look forward to part 3.

The five great emperors were all giga brained and ultimately sought to leave the empire stronger than when they left it. It's a shame that the reign of Marcus Aurelius saw the empire ravaged so thoroughly by Smallpox because I think each of the Emperors made the empire more stable, more legalistic, and more resistant to power struggles and civil war, a trend that was reversed wholesale by the smallpox plague that happened.

This video is incredible. Would love more history content like this.

I love Roman history because Rome is so ridiculously consistent with the trajectory of the United States. It makes me really want to learn more and more about it. Love your presentation style for genuinely teaching us something in the "gamer" tongue.

The Greeks conquering Rome culturally is also why the US is able to remain a Nation spanning the length of a continent. By establishing a cultural baseline across a wide area, be it Greek arts and sciences or American liberties and rights, these governments could continue to maintain a massive state for longer than it should theoretically be possible. Whether or not the US shares it fate with last Romans in Constantinople we will simply have to wait and see.

Your history videos are entertaining, and have clearly defined "satire/informative" lines. We appreciate your creativity, Cobbs

Thank you Mr cobbler. I adore your rants but remain unsure of showing them to others.

God damn my man, start up a patreon and start doing this stuff full time. Your content is some of the best around and I really want more history, mythology, criptids, and so on.

Releasing content like a machine💪

I really love how the lore intentionally leaves out bits of information that people need to speculate about. It really makes it alot more interesting when it isnt all perfectly laid out and is actually intentionally told from the skewed perspective of some unreliable narrators. Thanks for laying it all out so masterfully. You really do such a good job at bringing this story to life. Its almost as if its a real living and breathing open world.

This did not show up in my feed but I'm excited for that part 3 already, good job Cobbler

Each video displays your perspective on life really well and the more I watch, the more i appreciate you as person lol. Keep it up Cobbler, the internet needs this kind of perspicacity

The Roman poet Horatio, in his "Epistulæ" wrote "Græcia capta ferum victores cepit/et artes intulit agresti Latio"; in english "The conquered Greece conquered the savage conquerors/and brought the arts into the savage Latium". Amazing video, Dr. Cobbler, cheers from Italy

my grandfather told me that one day part 2 might be released it seemed he was right thanks DJ peach cobbler

I’m late to checking this, but I really enjoyed this video. You have quickly become one of my favorite RU-vidrs. The ad Libs and “rants” make this less of a “documentary style” and more of an engaged learning for me! Thank you for your effort, I know the editing took some time! 🎉

This is a great video, but it's crazy that you didn't mention once how the roman religion was the the greek's with differents names. Like when I think about how much influence greek culture had on the roman it's the first thing that come to mind. I kept expecting you to mention it near the end of video has a joke, like "haha I waited this long before adressing the elephant in the room", but the release never came. You are a master blueballer, I kneel.

No way. Is there seriously going to be a part 3???? Excited for everything you do man.

Holy shit finally a sequel, his midlife Rome crisis continues

Thnx for listing a bunch of books in the description and adding those usefull little summaries about them. Extremely usefull as im looking for a good history book. Thanks babe

This was AWESOME thank you for making it

Whenever I tell someone to sub to this channel and they ask what's it about, I can never give them a straight answer because even I'm not sure about the genre of cobbler's content

Educating more people with bussy jokes than a whole education system ever could

Wonderful 2 part series Mr. Cobbler. Thank you. Got paid to listen to it on company time too

finally finished this one and i love your content so much man, can't wait for part 3 next year

7:25 how DARE you imply that the empire didn’t fall in 1453 when it was conquered by the ottomans! So what that Rome hadn’t been part of the empire for hundreds of years or that all the Latins has long since been killed and replaced by Greeks, or how it had a different religion, or how by the end it was barely bigger then an Ancient Greek city state, or that they did not even pay to watch slaves kill eachjther anymore, it was still Rome and to say otherwise is catholic propaganda funded by Venice. Edit: 7:50 oh fuck

Using the hypothetical Saudi rule next to the American Middle East fuckery is the rhetoric I didn’t expect in this video specifically, but was pleasantly surprised to hear.

Thanks for part 2 the first one was phenomenal!

This is a great video, can't wait to see what else you bring.

That was the best dramatization of American imperialism I have ever seen! 😂 You need to turn that into a T-shirt, “My country got bombed by America, and all I got was a McRib.”

You almost convinced me to read a history book. I love your channel and the fact that your videos cover so many different things and topics. Somehow, you make everything enjoyable. Even your more political stuff is top notch, engaging and funny, no matter my stance on the subject. You are one of the few channels where I will watch each and every one of your videos from start to finish. I love you and your content!

Like you promised, you delivered us a sequel!

I've never seen a video about history this entertaining, great video, 10/10 will watch again.

That was actually super enlightening! Thanks i enjoyed the hell out of it and got some much needed laughs.

Cobbler inspires the forgotten fascination I once had of ancient history and brings it back into my life in the most glorious way. Thank you for these and I can’t wait for more. Much love xox.

One of my favorite ways to learn history is in funny and/or any other enjoyable ways. I like Sabaton, not only because they make banger music, but because they are telling you a story, from the near or far past. I like Cobbler's history videos because they are able to get enough, or even more than enough, information to me needed to understand, in a very entertaining and enjoyable way.

it was nice seeing this channel grow, i knew he'd get famous with such quality videos

I genuinely got more hyped when I saw that this released than I would for any movie or show releasing. DJ Peach cobbler, you are a genius.

This was so worth the wait! Every single one of your videos is honestly just so amazingly made, the presentation and writing and everything is so incredibly captivating. Thanks for making videos.

Started watching you as a gaming channel turns out your best work is your history videos

This video was awesome! I will be checking out more of your stuff.

We also need the story of the serenissima republic of Venice, I never understood how they were so damn stable, happy and lasted for like 800 years

Almost scrolled past, thinking it was the old video. Thank you for the blessing Peach Cobbler.

finally, the prophesied video has come to pass! we thank those who toiled and were determined the make the world a place better ever so slightly than before in its makings!

Not patronizing here; we need more content like this, brother. I've not taken notes, no, but I've watched both parts of this enough to not need them. A very enthusiastic thanks. I mostly knew this stuff as tidbits

This serie has been nothing short of godly ! Thanks for the awesome content 🙌

Just when I needed this the most, HE RETURNED

Thanks for the content, I really love every one of your videos. while someone might dislike the upload schedule, I can really feel all the care put into each video, and all of the time spent waiting for them seems worth it... not a single minute of sub par content on the whole channel.

I've been waiting months for a sequel to your original Rome video and this made my day

Love the new thumbnails, almost noone comes back to their old vids to change them. Good job

The last 5 minutes of this video are my favorite. Cobbler has a way of articulating things that I believe myself. He just has better words.

Someone linked this video over the course of a discord argument about femboys. Never thought I'd say this, but boy am I thankful to femboys. I probably would never have found this channel otherwise.

I’m blessed to have found this gem of a channel

Truly incredible plays you put on, friend.

I am a viewer without patience. I skim through tutorials, skip the first 8 seconds of a 10 second meme and immedietly leave a video if I notice it hasn't gotten to its own point yet. Yet your video, despite being filled with constant distractions that didn't even get a single chuckle out of me, kept me glued to the screen, being interested not only in the ancient history, but in how you would describe it and what hijinks your low-cost setup would tie it all together. Liked, subbed and notification belled.

My favorite historian/dad uploaded again :)

Ya know I’ve really been enjoying your videos, but in the end it was your take on the war on “terror” that finally got me to subscribe

I have been waiting for this video; I learn more from your videos than I ever did from history class

You're one of the only creators I share to friends.

you are one of the greatest creators on youtube. you make content that you want and its amazing. it seems to me that you dont care what others think about that content and you just make what you enjoy and thats awesome. i love you(no homo maybe)

Fucking brilliant. Best history videos I’ve ever seen in my life and I’m like a connoisseur. It’s my favorite hobby. These were nuts please keep making more

Bless you my man, your stuff is something I really wait for.

These drawings of the Mediterranean get better and better each rendering. Truly a flawless representation. Almost thought I was actually in Greece for a moment

I love how utterly manic this telling of history is, when the end of the year comes around, Cobbler will be utterly manic, just screeching about things being bussin and enjoying roman bussy

My buddy and I ( I am an American, he is Dominican ) are huge fans of the Republic and the Empire. Your work is hilarious and incredible! You encompass, philosophically, everything we have ever understood about the Greco/Roman paradigm. THANK YOU! Subscribed!!!!!

No one has quite as good of a delivery or eye for topic as this channel does