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What Does Formatting Actually Do, Anyway? 

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And what is the different with Quick Format?
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0:00 - Intro & Basics
0:38 - Formatting in Windows
2:03 - Quick Format
3:00 - Non-Quick Format
4:07 - Demonstration
4:52 - HDD Architecture
8:33 - Low Level Formatting
11:03 - SSD Architecture
14:09 - File Storage on SSD
15:23 - Conclusion
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@ThioJoe
@ThioJoe 3 года назад
I didn’t get a new camera, actually just got some new lights, improved the lighting arrangement, and messed around with some camera settings. And of course cranked up the sharpen effect in premiere pro ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@Hopiskyc
@Hopiskyc 3 года назад
What lighting can do
@MandolinSashaank
@MandolinSashaank 3 года назад
Nice
@Everytwo_
@Everytwo_ 3 года назад
Yeah i saw that...
@TheOnlyK1ng
@TheOnlyK1ng 3 года назад
Where is the member emoji???????
@alpanamhashilkar960
@alpanamhashilkar960 3 года назад
this is epik
@richardeadon6396
@richardeadon6396 3 года назад
"Have you ever wondered what _actually_ is going on" YES! ABOUT EVERYTHING! KEEP MAKING THESE VIDEOS!
@DarkyBoy
@DarkyBoy 3 года назад
I agree
@sandeepbhuiya4624
@sandeepbhuiya4624 3 года назад
@Omri Hermon manufacturers are still making a computer
@Adrien_broner
@Adrien_broner 3 года назад
How come every time you format you lose more and more total disc space
@DarkyBoy
@DarkyBoy 3 года назад
@@Adrien_broner what do you mean?
@tylerdurden788
@tylerdurden788 2 года назад
One of my friends is always amused at my random knowledge.
@PhilLesh69
@PhilLesh69 3 года назад
Sector size is a function of read/write head size. Block size can affect read/write speeds. In other words, it's faster to read ten 10 byte blocks than it is to read one hundred 1 byte blocks.
@mateiberatco500
@mateiberatco500 3 года назад
Head size has nothing to do with sector size. Heads fly over 1 bit at a time (it's size is related to bit density only). The higher-level electronics (microcontroller) divide those bits into logical sector sizes. For each "sector", it also has to store headers (which are factory written, mentioned in video) and ECC data (error checking and correction); which all take space. Raising sector size from 512 to 4K means eliminating ECC and headers of 3 sectors, while slightly increasing ECC data for the 4th. But creates compatibility problems (mainly slowing down) with partitioning of old SW (up to, including, XP). PS: those 3.5" 1.44MB (1440MB) floppies were also advertised as 2MB unformatted. Wikipedia mentions formatted size for Amiga as 1.760KB.
@michaelhawthorne8696
@michaelhawthorne8696 3 года назад
That would be the reason why the file transfer dialogue box drops in Bytes per second when you are transfering multiple folders rather that videos, becuase the folders may have a lot of small files that don't fill the allocted units size but videos would.
@Anonymous-cm8jy
@Anonymous-cm8jy 2 года назад
What's the ideal sector size?
@luhgarlicbread
@luhgarlicbread 2 года назад
@@Anonymous-cm8jy Depends on the use case, hopefully someone can provide some more insight on this as I’m not really sure
@TylerTMG
@TylerTMG 6 месяцев назад
​@Anonymous-cm8jy if your doing mostly bug files like games use big if its mostly small stuff use small
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 3 года назад
Hi Joe! You might remember me as the author of Task Manager, but I'm also the author of the Format dialog! I have a video about it's history on my channel (Dave's Garage). Would have been a good topic to do a collab on! Cheers and the new Apature lights (I can only assume), looks good!
@tomasruiz06
@tomasruiz06 3 года назад
I come from that video!
@shreejal
@shreejal 3 года назад
Why aren't you verified
@Anonymous-cm8jy
@Anonymous-cm8jy 2 года назад
God bless you sir.
@RealTagComputing
@RealTagComputing 2 года назад
LOL
@PeterMaddison2483
@PeterMaddison2483 2 года назад
@@Anonymous-cm8jy He IS GOD, he can bless himself :-)
@reycko102
@reycko102 3 года назад
Got the notification while formating a 30Gigs drive.
@marysridhar_nvc4975
@marysridhar_nvc4975 3 года назад
LoL
@vladimirputin7211
@vladimirputin7211 3 года назад
XD
@daringcuteseal
@daringcuteseal 3 года назад
Lol 5
@shreejal
@shreejal 3 года назад
Lol
@reycko102
@reycko102 3 года назад
@@daringcuteseal Lol 6
@chhailbihariposwal
@chhailbihariposwal 3 года назад
Please never stop making these informative videos.
@Hope_Upstairs
@Hope_Upstairs 3 года назад
thiozombie
@gregdowle8031
@gregdowle8031 3 года назад
If he could talk a fraction slower it would be fantastic. Not a criticism, just a suggestion.
@chhailbihariposwal
@chhailbihariposwal 3 года назад
@@gregdowle8031 you are somewhat right.
@Raverspike
@Raverspike 3 года назад
Drink every time he says „I’m not gonna get into that“
@LiveeviL6969
@LiveeviL6969 3 года назад
And double for "actually" and "basically".
@SparkieUwU
@SparkieUwU 3 года назад
@@LiveeviL6969 I don't have a deathwish, thanks
@DigitalHandle
@DigitalHandle 2 года назад
I have drank 20 beers so far
@earlt911
@earlt911 3 года назад
A trim command (known as TRIM in the ATA command set, and UNMAP in the SCSI command set) allows an operating system to inform a solid-state drive (SSD) which blocks of data are no longer considered in use and can be wiped internally. Trim was introduced soon after SSDs were introduced.
@jayrabbitgamingproductions7335
@jayrabbitgamingproductions7335 3 года назад
Perfect timing! I’m actually in the middle of formatting a 2tb drive to clean it of things I regret seeing
@JordanViknar
@JordanViknar 3 года назад
@@Hope_Upstairs ?
@electronichaircut8801
@electronichaircut8801 3 года назад
Porn
@pythondrink
@pythondrink 3 года назад
@@electronichaircut8801 😂😂😂
@gregdowle8031
@gregdowle8031 3 года назад
Has it completed yet?
@user-sj9ke2yr7x
@user-sj9ke2yr7x Месяц назад
Bruh
@maxtornogood
@maxtornogood Год назад
Before Vista a "full" format was just a deep scan over the drive for bad sectors & not actually writing zeros. Starting with Vista a full format does do the zero write.
@MickeyMousePark
@MickeyMousePark Год назад
back in the day there use to be format without erase command..this would read a sector then format that sector the re-write the data back into that sector..this took hours to do but was helpful in recovering drives that were starting to have issues
@quest4439
@quest4439 2 года назад
This man's explanations are all over the place. Reminds me of how a child would explain things. No structure, no pacing or pauses, and lots of 'I'm not going to get into that'.
@bbbl67
@bbbl67 3 года назад
Yes, I've been using IBM PC's since the 80's, at that time the original hard drive controllers actually sat in a plug-in card attached to the original ISA bus (great-grandfather of all of the current generation of PCI buses). The control logic sat outside the hard drives themselves on this plug-in card. Now back then there used to be two different types of hard drive formats available, MFM & RLL, and so you had to get the appropriate type of controller card for the type of HDD you were getting. The low-level formatter was a piece of code within the controller card that you could execute by using a special program in DOS that initiated that portion of the controller's logic. That all went away once the IDE HDD's came, the controller logic all lay inside the HDD's themselves, and the smart "controller cards" actually just became simpler dumb interface cards. Low-level formatting also became inaccessible by that point, as the LLF was done at the factory, and never needed refreshing.
@DunnsDayDash
@DunnsDayDash 3 года назад
*finally finds a video where someone goes into detail about something no one ever goes into detail about so I can finally learn 100%* RU-vidr: I’m not going to get into that, I’m going to keep it simple for this video GOD DAMMIT 😫
@deadchannel5933
@deadchannel5933 3 года назад
I swear I had a stroke reading your comment
@rmclean3
@rmclean3 Год назад
Not sure about everyone else but I really appreciate the extra details you provide in your videos. Thanks for not "dumbing it down" too much!
@srsykes
@srsykes 3 года назад
I had almost forgotten about low-level formatting. Seems that it took forever to low-level format my 30MB hard disk. I had the option to upgrade my Compaq 286 to the 30MB and all my friends thought I was nuts for paying extra for such a huge drive. "You will never be able to use 30MB on a home computer even 30 or 40 years from now."
@overnightdelivery
@overnightdelivery 2 года назад
Wow lol. I remember when I had the MASSIVE 40MB Hard Drive installed in a Tandy 1000. Crazy to think that only about 25 1.44 MB Floppy disks would fill the entire drive. Yet that was considered more than enough space at the time.
@likebot.
@likebot. 3 года назад
LL formatting was back in the day when a 10 megabyte drive was _something..._ back when most personal computers ran on floppys or tape and the user was the device driver for everything.
@jamesslick4790
@jamesslick4790 3 года назад
"..........the user was the device driver for everything." 🤔😳😁👍😊👍
@HamzaWoo
@HamzaWoo 3 года назад
This is why i subbed to this channel Some stuff u wonder what they do
@chris2746
@chris2746 3 года назад
This is a pretty good piece, I was already familiar with a lot of the stuff in isolation but you did a nice job putting it all together into an easily understandable package.
@alexandermeneses5688
@alexandermeneses5688 3 года назад
I would love to know more about SSDs! You left us a bit short on them :D
@G0lden07
@G0lden07 3 года назад
I'm surprised you explained all that shit and didn't bother with what NTFS and FAT32 are XD
@csdgay
@csdgay 3 года назад
english vs spanish
@ApofKol
@ApofKol 3 года назад
Oh right, I totally forgot, I was kinda looking forward that part... :C
@EduardoEscarez
@EduardoEscarez 3 года назад
​@DEEJMASTER 333 🤣🤣
@mikechappell4156
@mikechappell4156 3 года назад
He only covered NTFS for format/quick format. A FAT filesystem doesn't require those particular files.
@electronichaircut8801
@electronichaircut8801 3 года назад
@DEEJMASTER 333 exFAT
@ramprasath219
@ramprasath219 3 года назад
Now I know what is the meaning of: *Size of actual file and size of file in the disk* while seeing properties of a file or folder😎
@Custmzir
@Custmzir 3 года назад
@@shadycopilot Aww man
@mohamedshaim5959
@mohamedshaim5959 3 года назад
@@Custmzir so we back in the mine
@happyron
@happyron 3 года назад
ThioJoe reminds me of myself when I was younger - except he's really cool and has a youtube channel.
@chriss3154
@chriss3154 3 года назад
I'm addicted to these videos! Very well explained👍
@Yakone
@Yakone Год назад
Very educational! And surprisingly clearly explained! I'll be checking out more of your videos. Thanks!
@nolancollet3458
@nolancollet3458 Год назад
The detailed info about the drives makes the video very educational but still intresting. Keep it up! :)
@TitanTubs
@TitanTubs Год назад
Bro you need to like assemble the stuff into like a playlist teach everything about computers because you explain everything so well. You're literally a villain turned hero. Thank you so much for what you do
@puspamadak
@puspamadak 3 года назад
Just stumbled upon your channel and I started to get all the answers to my questions!
@xenorac
@xenorac 3 года назад
This has answered a lot of questions about hard drives I really have I wondered about for a long long time!
@asariqueen5737
@asariqueen5737 2 года назад
The way you've completey turned the channel around is beautiful.
@mohammadumair3108
@mohammadumair3108 3 года назад
I had been looking for this video since ages. Very informative! Thanks 👍☺️
@gm2407
@gm2407 3 года назад
@15:25 I would like a video on the NVME drive please regarding that specific process. I think it would be informative and interesting to the audience.
@MrBrianms
@MrBrianms 3 года назад
Thanks for the explanation of hard disc and SSD style storage. The MVME on both the motherboard and on the SSD looks like a better strategy. brilliant.
@DissiOfficial
@DissiOfficial Год назад
I learn a lot on this channel please keep these videos coming.
@stevenadams9915
@stevenadams9915 Год назад
Nice one, u bring to this platform a genuine approach sharing ur knowledge with others and create a supportive community. So long as u tell it as it is I'll continue to tune in.YES from me too
@ian_silent
@ian_silent 3 года назад
Very interesting and informative! Thanks!
@jasonlight1670
@jasonlight1670 Год назад
As a tech guy who helps people with their computer and is constantly into tech stuff, I was always curious about this and even though you said you went extra, always remember there are people out there who understand everything you said and I learned a lot from the video! Thanks for the education and I always love your content. 🤘🏼🤙🏼
@ShoFox
@ShoFox 3 года назад
I love these videos so much.. Simply explained for everyone!
@erik1836
@erik1836 Год назад
THIO you are amazing! Thank you, for your incredibly informative tutorials.
@bb55555555
@bb55555555 3 года назад
Good video Joe. An excellent crash course on how drives work.
@Enayahsworld
@Enayahsworld 3 года назад
Your Videos are very good and helped many people including me. Keep up the good work!
@jethrowbowdeen
@jethrowbowdeen 2 года назад
Awesome job explaining out things in detail for better understanding for all types of mind sets. You calling must have been a teacher or guide for others. Technical thinking is extremely important and very hard to find, especially these days. Never loose that moral spark you carry big dog. I definitely learned a lot from your channel and that's what it's about. GREAT JOB 👍
@MikeSmith-fe3ng
@MikeSmith-fe3ng 2 месяца назад
This was the fastest, easiest 16 min video I've watched. Thank you.
@kblam1001
@kblam1001 2 года назад
Thank you for making this video. I learned a lot. And also I am now motivated to format one of my drives 😄
@angiecostabr
@angiecostabr 10 месяцев назад
Wonderfully technical! Thank you so much!
@TheOGDesigner
@TheOGDesigner Месяц назад
Superb explanation, thanks!
@taladiv3415
@taladiv3415 Год назад
Thank you for this informative explanation video.💡
@WaterlessIce
@WaterlessIce 3 года назад
This helps so much! I want to get an SSD and want to know what to do with the old hard drive, and now I know
@stanleymakafui
@stanleymakafui Год назад
Very informative. I enjoyed it, however, the part that got me more glued was where you stopped. I'm using more SSDs now to create content and I was interested in the Open Channel SSD thing about NVME drives.
@jimi7053
@jimi7053 3 года назад
Dude these videos are so informativ! I don't know any other channel that has tech content that is so unique as this one. Most channels just have the standard top 10 best gaming laptops or something. Not ThioJoe, this video and the System32 hidden programs video are so unique and high quality. The reason I am subscribed to your channel! Keep up the good work man!
@stephensnell1379
@stephensnell1379 2 года назад
You mean informative
@Mike0193Azul
@Mike0193Azul 2 года назад
Very helpful information and indepth thank you
@istiaquemahmood7266
@istiaquemahmood7266 3 года назад
You made every single second of this video worth . You constantly do on all of your videos though tbh . Cheers mate 👍
@louaiefellouh
@louaiefellouh 3 года назад
First time I watch one of ThioJoe's videos in the first 10 minutes.
@dave_n8pu
@dave_n8pu 3 года назад
Thanks for adding the time stamp.
@burtonschrader2
@burtonschrader2 3 года назад
Thanks very very much. Now I understand. You present these subjects in a way that my poor old brain absorbs what you are teaching. Thanks.
@Isopxl
@Isopxl 3 года назад
This is a very informative video, thanks so much!
@Wraith_of_Wrath
@Wraith_of_Wrath 2 года назад
Nice informative video, I now have a better understanding of how and what my drives do … thanks 👍
@RevNicholasJonsson
@RevNicholasJonsson 3 года назад
Thank you for a very informative and helpful video 😊
@DavidSmith-mx7ll
@DavidSmith-mx7ll 3 года назад
Really great information Joe. Esp. on SSD
@pssolanki2481
@pssolanki2481 3 года назад
That was brilliantly informative
@Expressoblood
@Expressoblood Год назад
It's nice when a RU-vidr explains somewhat complex technical stuff in terms I can understand. Though with "zone allocation" it might be irrelevant but, I am curious how big is "Big files"( like, "text document big", "mp3 big" "Cd Iso" big, "DVD iso" big or such. )
@CS.319
@CS.319 2 года назад
That was some knowledge in this video!💯
@wp5355
@wp5355 3 года назад
Excellent presentation!!
@maleeshapriyanjana7604
@maleeshapriyanjana7604 7 месяцев назад
What a great explanation!
@damnit00000001
@damnit00000001 Год назад
That's the clearest explanation I've ever heard
@AwaraPunjabiz
@AwaraPunjabiz Год назад
Informative video. Your videos are suitable for computer class lectures. If a teacher is watching them. Can definitely play or recommend to the students. SmartTJ 😎
@captainmorgan5255
@captainmorgan5255 10 месяцев назад
Nice video: thanks for the help !!!
@mohamededrees979
@mohamededrees979 3 года назад
Provisional explaining good work thanks
@arshdeepsinghsoni13469
@arshdeepsinghsoni13469 Год назад
Love the way you explain
@AliXDream9
@AliXDream9 3 года назад
Thank you for all this information
@BookOfMorman
@BookOfMorman 3 года назад
Sweet, great video! Thanks!
@fabian999ification
@fabian999ification 3 года назад
Thank you, this was really great!!
@johnobarake
@johnobarake 3 года назад
Useful info thank you
@edwardjaime8363
@edwardjaime8363 3 года назад
Great explanation Thanks
@tommyvictorbuch6960
@tommyvictorbuch6960 3 года назад
Fascinating information. Good to know.
@laurendoe168
@laurendoe168 3 года назад
Some (if not many) Defrag programs will show the existence of the metadata files. Some will even display a name for each of them.
@phs125
@phs125 3 года назад
Yea, I remember seeing $MFT and thinking why I can't move it somewhere else...
@gregdowle8031
@gregdowle8031 3 года назад
@@phs125 I've seen that as well.
@phs125
@phs125 3 года назад
For future reference, If you get swapfile.sys or pagefile.sys And need to move it to make partitions, Just disable paging, reboot, and defrag...
@chromerims
@chromerims Год назад
Thank you for this quality video.
@Dragon-yv3wt
@Dragon-yv3wt 3 года назад
Great explanation!👍
@2462631418
@2462631418 3 года назад
Always awesome content.
@cursoreu2605
@cursoreu2605 3 года назад
Great video, I never knew what quick format does...
@hamzarotimi4082
@hamzarotimi4082 3 года назад
Thanks a lot for the knowledge you have been impacting into us.😌
@Tubeytime
@Tubeytime 2 года назад
"impacting into us"
@janmillerty4528
@janmillerty4528 Год назад
Informative thanks
@arvymr9405
@arvymr9405 3 года назад
Awsome info bro!!
@syedirfanahmad9626
@syedirfanahmad9626 2 года назад
Hello TJ, it is a very good, informative video 👍
@tommccarthy1914
@tommccarthy1914 2 месяца назад
Thanks a lot this really helped
@robertwalley2723
@robertwalley2723 3 года назад
thanks for the lesson!
@ruperterskin2117
@ruperterskin2117 Год назад
Cool. Thanks for sharing.
@lorrewatkins5925
@lorrewatkins5925 Год назад
I learn a lot from U TJ So I just wanted to thank U ! and keep up the good vid's !
@PabSungenis
@PabSungenis 3 года назад
Interesting thing: floppies and hard drives also have a sort of translation layer. It’s called sector skew. Sectors are not laid out in numeric order but so that, ideally, the next sector to be read is directly under the head when the previous action is done. This is set during low level formatting.
@luhgarlicbread
@luhgarlicbread 2 года назад
Do you know if it was possible to low level format a floppy disk outside of the factory?
@PabSungenis
@PabSungenis 2 года назад
@@luhgarlicbread All floppies were low level formatted by the user. That's why you could select the different capacity for your needs based on your hardware.
@luhgarlicbread
@luhgarlicbread 2 года назад
@@PabSungenis Oh, cool
@aaroneidinger
@aaroneidinger 3 года назад
Back in the day, low-level formatting wasn't just an "apparently you could" thing. It was a "you must do this first" thing. My memory is fading a bit, but in MS-DOS, you had to run the DEBUG command (built-in to the OS) to access a piece of microcode to do the low-level format. The code was likely on the controller. Once running, you would put in the drive geometry which was printing on the drive from the factory. It said how many heads, cylinders, sectors, etc. there were on the drive. In addition to that, the drive often came with a defect map you had to key into the low-level formatting utility to remove those parts of the drive from visibility from the operating system. Isn't that something, a drive coming from the factory with known defects you had to work around. I don't miss those days. Once IDE drives came around, the controller was on the drive itself and the computer had a "host bus adapter" to be able to connect to them. I remember back in the day wondering why I'd want all these things integrated on the motherboard. What if one component fails? I'd need to replace the whole board! That's expensive and inconvenient! Now, it's not a big deal. The reliability of components is really good at this point with all the mistakes being made decades ago and manufacturers learning from them. With the advent of IDE drives, Zone Bit Recording became a thing so your drive geometry changed from a physical feature to a logical one. When the operating system asks for some data on this (cylinder, head, sector), the drive knows where it actually is and reports it back. Most spinning drives today have only one physical platter with one or two heads. Not like back in the day when it was common to have a drive with many platters and two heads each. My first hard drive was a MFM, 5.25", full-height (3") drive holding 30MB. I would next upgrade to a RLL, 3.25", half-height (1.5") drive holding 40MB which just happened to be a slower drive than the first one.
@KalabTempleman
@KalabTempleman 3 года назад
Awesome work
@clashofpoke
@clashofpoke 3 года назад
I needed this! I just completed my NTLite Windows 10 version and wanted to store it on my USB drive for my new build. Thank you! Edit: Do I need to non-quick format to use my flash drive for installing windows? What about BIOS updates?
@TimberTinker
@TimberTinker Год назад
Absolutely wonderful🙌I love the fun facts😂
@Animeso
@Animeso 3 года назад
Quite informative video.
@namenlosNamenlos
@namenlosNamenlos Год назад
Learn something new thanks!
@asbeltrion
@asbeltrion 3 года назад
Very nice video. I want more.
@johnhillis1292
@johnhillis1292 2 года назад
Now show us how to Unformat a Quick format! Keep up the good work ThioJoe. I am a long time fan!
@shadowflyerFX
@shadowflyerFX 3 года назад
You are very informing!!
@enricojanssen1709
@enricojanssen1709 3 года назад
I love this kind of videos!😃
@avidinvestor9409
@avidinvestor9409 3 года назад
Cool! Thx for the info
@saumytiwari7
@saumytiwari7 3 года назад
You are the best... Thankyou so much.. Thanks a lot...
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