What happened? Responding to Contentious Comments. Non-Paintball Videos? (Post Postem: 170R Review) 

^ John Chambers, everyone.

@@axledog7297 :) If anyone's curious, the FAASOR bit was my contribution to the gamma. When discussing how to decouple variables, Jack came up with the switch at the back. The FAASOR was based on the fix I did for the NT. The m3s/+ are simple mostly-balanced (with a slight forward bias) bolt design with a totally unique valve.

@@ironyusa3885 Nice of you to stop by, man :D Since I've had an understanding both of your design philosophies I always thought that exact same thing! I'm pinning this thread!

It's 100% about finding a way to make it work without it taking a part from you as a creator. I think RU-vid video making, like most creative mediums, relies on a healthy creator; without that it's destined to crash and burn.

Expect videos like this or something OT in between 1sts. The 1sts are for focussed PB reviews and topics.

@@JustCantGetRight Can’t wait! Good come back on the SP comment lol! Yes they are much better now as Gamma guns lmao!!!

Dude, I'm going bananas over that

Rock n' roll man! Thanks! It'll be fun

It's all going great! Thanks for rocking and rolling

@@JustCantGetRight yup ;-)

Yeah! Paintball vids aren't going anywhere!

Can't wait to have one up. Might be really really soon!

Lol! Duck's name is Fabrice

I didn't know who Rafi was until I googled him... and loved what I found, lol!

This is a good question. I'll do my best to explain it, but I am by no means a classic gun expert, so my claims are certainly refutable by someone who knows their history (they should document it too because paintball history is not kept track of well). But basically, If Jack Wood was not a part of the development of Angels sometime before the release of the Intimidator, this point would be comparable, RedHairedTrev made some pretty cool videos about the Eclipse Angels that I 100% recommend. The Intimidator was very revolutionary in how it packaged a paintball gun and what electro-pneumatic principles it put together as well as being really damn good and high above everyone else for the time, despite not being revolutionary in terms of introducing these principles; loosely like bluray, it didn't invent HD video, but it innovated in how everyone could get HD. By the time the Ego was created, the innovative layout standard set by the intimidator layout was already being implemented by many others in the industry in a similar way that hoseless designs have been implemented in every single design in the present. That's different from implementing the unique decoupled FAASOR firing mechanism we see in the Gamma part for part. That's more like the Springfield armory imitating the Mauser 1898 pattern for the 1903 Springfield. At the end of the day, the intimidator made every other future marker better by setting the standard and we can expect a similar result here... the Gamma core in the Shocker AMP is just an obvious thing to point out and roll your eyes to because it's uninspired, unethical (I think it would have been ethical if they were open about where they drew their inspiration with all that said, not to claim full ownership), and sets a bad precedent for innovation.

Yeah, I don't know who started that lie but a lot of people seem to believe it. I don't entirely blame the people who believe it, in a way, I think they feel like they're defending themselves because if they are SP consumers, that lie would exempt them from feeling like they've supported dirty business. With that said, believing something doesn't make it true. Bushcraft is fun, man! I'll check that channel out. So far it's pretty entertaining and fun.

One must set aside loyalty and bias, and embrace objectivity if you want to accurately judge the merits of designs and, ultimately, entire markers. If you can do that successfully, you'll have a very tough time arriving at a conclusion in which DLX/SP manufacture a superior product to PE. A lot of consumers in this market have a very tough time doing that, hence most of the discussions that occur in the cesspool that is Facebook.

@@axledog7297 Facebook's cesspool of "information" can be appalling. It's hard to actually get any type of discussion or requests for help. The amount of tech problems met with "Well have you changed the battery?" or "Just get a PE" answers aren't conducive. It's the blind leading the blind the majority of the time.

@@atracin you hit the nail on the head. The sole reason I participate in the Facebook groups is to correct misinformation and help folks that need help but aren't getting it. The amount of blind loyalty, bias and shear ignorance is over the top.

You say it like it's a bad thing ;)

@@JustCantGetRight no it not a bad thing but it is miss labled and way more expecive than it should be for very little in improvment love my Gtek/gmek

While it's fair to bring up, the situation just isn't the same. The knock-open poppet valve was around long before paintball was a thing, and it was a very intuitive operational layout for paintball markers. The same goes for spool valves - they were around long before paintball was even a thought. However, the Gamma Core arrangement is functionally unique to any other paintball-based spool system around. The fact is that DLX/SP did not organically arrive at the "conclusion" of their X/TM40/AMP systems - they took PE markers, reverse engineered them and built their own system around the exact same principles. That's the issue. Miguel made a great point about John designing the ARC system - while it uses a couple Gamma principles, it's not a copy and has enough functional differences to not be considered as such....and if anyone had a free pass at copying a design he himself helped to design, it's him. That's the difference between real engineering and understanding vs. copying an existing, unique design.

I'm not, but I do enjoy picking apart things to learn how they work. What I enjoy most is making fun videos about things that fascinate me.

Miguel is a good example of one not needing to be an engineer to think like one.

There are some veeeery interesting threads online about controversial incidents in the industry involving them. Interesting rabbit hole to go down in.

@@JustCantGetRight oh yes. Back in the day, when they sued everyone and ruined other great businesses. The Gardeners are crooks. Anyways, great video and interesting point about PE not having a patent on the Gammacore. WGP/Bud Orr created the Sniper and Autococker, but never patented the 'cocker. So we see tons of different markers, which I guess we could see with this "Gamma-type-core" in the future. I'll stick with the originators.

@@JustCantGetRight You should go down that rabbit hole and make a video chronicling the affairs.

@@virtual_balboa To be fair, Bud Orr would not have had any business patenting the Autococker even if he had wanted to. The Autococker is simply a particular implementation of the pneumatic recocking mechanism developed by Glenn Palmer.

lol! plz update with their response

I think it's as consequential as the Springfield Armory copying the Mauser action for the 1903 Springfield. It's going to establish the dominance decoupled firing mechanisms of this style for quite some time. Why are we talking about it? Well because it's such a blatant thing to point out and talk about. I don't disagree that people still have other elements to look at in markers, but when it comes to making an observation about the core (no pun intended) features of a marker, this talking point simply cannot be avoided, especially since breaking down drivetrains is something I do pretty much in every gun video.