What Happened To Ganyu? | Genshin Impact 

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this may be unrelated but what do you think about Navia and the possible change to Geo Character designs going forward?

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THIS!! I LOVE THIS!!

I can't believe i would cry for a comment, but you did it... My goat are a proud mother right now :')

big true. Ganyu is too kind and caring to be mad that the spotlight is off of her. Our cocogoat is a team player!

She's probably happy to have a break maybe now she can get that much needed nap

great mindset!

At least he hit the enemy behind him

This is why Im always face hugging with her before I use it.

istg Hu Tao burst has the worst hitbox and i-frame, i remember hitting my burst to an enemy like 5 meters away from me, and misses the one whose right exactly close to me. And also i died a lotta time when using her burst, where she just died mid animation (i still love her tho)

@@iblamenomad same I don't know why but her Burst i-frame doesn't actives the second you press burst unlike other characters

This is what taught me to always dash towards the enemy after every CA (I have C1).

Ganyu is for those who can aim ! (FPS players mostly)

Well, given the new teams that are lower investment and perform better, i would say she is pretty redundant in one's roster. She used to be good until 3.0. From then onwards, she got replaced by nilou, neuvi and other dendro teams and in single target she is too clunky or not as rewarding as hyperbloom, hu tao, international etc. Her charged atk used to feel broken, but nowadays we have neuvillette and other characters that deal that dmg in an easier manner and more efficiently. Decent character, but definitely one of the lowest pull values rn, imo. Not as bad as Eula or Albedo though.

@@stefanobesliu6458 new units are indeed better, but there's no denying that the very fact that Ganyu still works so well is a good thing. Goku being stronger than Vegeta doesn't mean Vegeta is weak XD

@@mika086 "works well" is an overstatement though. Current abyss rotation makes morgana suboptimal or just not a choice at all. And melt is decent at best. I think the issue consists of her kit being divided into both freeze and melt archetype, instead of being fully focused on melt. Her freeze capabilities are futile nowadays in majority of scenarios

@@stefanobesliu6458 i never mentioned morgana. Kazoo shenhe and zhongli first half is absolutely perfect, and I 36 with Keqing beidou fischl and yaoyao in the other half. Ofc many other characters would be better, but it is no overstatement to say 36 stars in abyss = good

Ganyu Freeze player here and I can kind of confirm some of the things you're saying. I think it also has to do with the diversity of units, where you can replace someone you don't have with someone you do, especially for players that got into the game later. I don't have Diona, so I use Layla instead, some people don't get Mona on standard or 50/50s,but they might have gotten Kokomi on a guaranteed or something. Although Venti is still better for Ganyu's freeze teams, most people don't get him just for her, most people might use Kazuha especially if they spend little to no money because he's more flexible

@@steffy23456 Yup. Venti ofc has a higher ceiling with his superior cc and quadratic scaling with ganyu's icicles, but kazuha will give you more value against enemies that are more resistant to grouping with his damage bonus

no, the only thing that changed about her freeze teams was swapping out diona for rosaria. shenhe kokomi and kazuha is a downgrade because it'd have to be a 20s rotation which doesn't fit ganyu well and also venti is a way better pairing.

@@fran99080 ig if you wanna stay without a healer, sure.

Been playing her w furina, charlotte and sucrose. Put in work on floor 11.

snezhnaya buffs copege

prolly not copege actually

I mean I don't think cryos as bad off as geo and physical thank god I just think that people are focused more on dendro at the moment

@@noathern exactly. I think the future for cryo is going to be Fridge adjacent teams since cryo and dendro auras can coexist and so cryo can be the onfield alot of the time, barring tsaritsa or shnezhnaya buffing cryo as a whole

​@@noathernagreed. I think what Cryo needs is just more melt options. All melt teams require Bennet right now, and the best options for a persistent pyro aura are better for other teams. Melt is the most underdeveloped amplifying reaction now, so hopefully Natlan will give it something.

If only this was true

well... ignorance is a bliss

​@@tomfoolery7797for an f2p who don't get better artifacts, I don't think anything matters even if you have c0 Ganyu.

copuim

@@tomfoolery7797There’s a reason why Morgana is still a well used team

He fell off 2 years ago when Kazuha came out

Gosh, i just lold at the word "unsuckable".

Venti is good in the current abyss tho. At least the pyro abyss lectors are 'suckable' 🤧

well, its a ganyu vid, not venti

Technically Ganyu doesn't need Venti. People seem to underestimate the AOE on Ganyu's burst icicles. Kazuha usually works better in a modern abyss. The real problem is that even the AOE chambers have less enemies per wave, so there's more RNG to Ganyu's burst damage, which essentially makes her Ayaka without the frontloaded damage. Bascially, she was shadow nerfed to make way for the rest of the cast. That being said. There's mono Cryo, and Furina may or may not make her better if you use the hunter set instead of blizzard strayer.

Yeah I still use her all the time in the overworld. Not doing the Abyss anymore, so it's kind of whatever, but it means other Cryo units aren't seeing any field time now.

THANK YOU! genshin wasn't designed to be hard. genshin is not spiral abyss. just play the characters you like

Even in the abyss you still have chambers that are good for her. I love using ganyu freeze to trivialize the monolith defense.

This is why i puled for Wanderer, until now he's the best for exploration: anemo ressonance, hypercarry and flight skill. He makes your game much much faster.

@@vanitashole Be that as it may, it's still pretty frustrating for certain things to be as meticulously designed as they are. How does "The game isn't supposed to be hard" explain Beidou's Burst not working with Raiden's? Or Dori's segmented kit? Or pretty much anything involving Dehya? The list goes on. If "easy, casual game" is supposed to be the "be-all, end-all", what would Hoyo really have to lose by letting everyone work with everyone else and allowing players be overpowered?

what about her playstyle is a pain? gen question. she's a bow user, if you like melee better then obviously you won't enjoy rangers as much but i don't think it has anything to do with ganyu specifically then

you just either succ at range units, or you just hate range in general. Ganyu is one of the the perfect char for range. It can shoot literally anywhere unlike most book and bow char, where they either just pull their ass ulti and switch, or the range is not even that good.

for me she has a very relaxing gameplay. also, if you have Venti and pair him up with her, his Q helps hit all of the enemies at the same time

Yeah, but that's because mihoyo keeps doing things like not making cryo react with dendro, pushing out freeze meta with unfreezeable boss floors, and refusing to release an off field pyro character that better enables reverse melt.

Welcome to the neglected elements club. Geo's been here for a while.

Despite cyro having the most units it still has not stood out to me. I think pyro and cyro suffer from only having 1 or 2 viable mainstream reactions while the rest arent that great. Shatter is literally only for the cyro claymore and wrio, superconduct is mainly for physical, and freeze is being pushed out with more boss enemies. Pyro literally only has vape and melt. Overload is cumbersome due to the knock back. I'd love to see a pyro or electro nilou that made overload implode so that it can group enemies without anemo and burning and burgeon have very little actually unit support and most of the time are outclassed by nilou bloom,hyperbloom, or spread due to lack of unit.

@@OC_ physical is right there with Geo

the only team I currently use cryo that has good damage potential in the abyss is the burning teams with nahida and then Vape with a cryo user, other than that, any team with electro or dendro doesn't do crap with it, it's sad, tbh

Yeah, any bow characters are straight-up impossible on phone, and honestly Genshin combat in general is awful on phone. But on PC if you can aim you really don't need any other character. I only have Beidou to deal with ice enemies faster and because she has some semblance of a skill-based ability.

Yelan is not bow playstyle, it's five star Xingqiu switch charge shot character mode

@@Troopertrollskill issue(mobile ganyu main)

And even for charged shot DPS play style, we have cases like Tighnari having faster charged shot built into his kit design. So people who don't like Ganyu's slower charging time might appreciate Tighnari's faster pacing.

@@dojiz7242 except isn't good mono element raw damage

She very much can content with some of the best DPS's in the game in damage alone. Her problem really is like you said comfort not her damage.

@@FireClareI’m not entirely sure what you guys mean by comfort. Like, her play style is boring? Ganyu melt is also one of my go-to teams specifically because it’s so simplistic and basic. Shielding up with Zhongli and then pointing my bow at the enemy point-blank is very “comfy” to me.

@@henryhe5945 her playstyle can easily get old for some. Including me, she carried my account mid game and I enjoyed her charged shot playstyle but it got so repetitive and wanted a faster action pace and/or new playstyle. Another one is her reliant on shield characters because getting interrupted with her while aiming is so annoying.

@@henryhe5945 the aim is what people don't really like, say with Ayaka or Wrio you don't have to worry about being forced to run a shielder, so you can build an optimal team with great damage output, with Ganyu that is limited, combine it with Genshin's shitty ass aim system is just a few reasons

@@henryhe5945 yes, but at the same time it kinda defeats the purpose of Ganyu's kit. (This is just my point of view) So let's look at Ganyu first: 1. has a massive aoe burst that has 100% uptime 2. has a taunt. 3. pretty much has infinite range. So in theory, Ganyu with her kit is able to attack freely from anywhere she wants while distracting enemies with her taunt. So as the kit implies, Ganyu shouldn't need a shielder, and she should keep her distance (as all the Ganyu solo vids show) Now we come to melt Ganyu and why that comp in my opinion is "flawed". 1. Bennett and XIangling, frankly have 0 synergy with Ganyu aside from the fact that the pair is the most reliable way to apply pyro for Ganyu's charged attack. Bennett limits the area Ganyu can move in, and XIangling requires Ganyu to stay point-blank. Which is why Zhongli is needed in this team. So now let us make some assumptions/use our imagination. What does it take to make a "reasonable" melt Ganyu team? 1. We need a ranged and reliable pyro applier, something like a pyro kokomi or fischl. That would open up so many character slots in the melt team comp. Like seriously people are still able to solo abyss 12 with Ganyu alone, so just by having a ranged pyro applier that doesn't restrict your movement/positioning would make Ganyu shoot up a level, and even if you add shenhe to the mix you still have a spot for a healer.

If you're using a shielder yes, but if you aren't then def not

@@gibran8959 You can I use her with Furina Sunfire it does good numbers and is basically immortal so Ganyu doesn't have to care about health as long as she is alive Bennett and Jean will drag her to full health in seconds while boosting here immensely.

@@abdiabdi3225 That's not the problem, besides she can still get oneshot 'cause has one of the lowest defense stats, getting interrupted is basically what kills her damage, since no CA = no damage

The good thing is Ganyu can work as support/sub-DPS with other hyper carries (especially with C4 and/or C6). I am using Ganyu with Navia atm. Activate both their bursts with hydro = freeze/shatter everything, and quadratic scaling plus the increase dmg for enemies in Ganyu's burst AoE and unlimited shards. That being said, Ganyu easily cleared the current abyss 12 for me as opposed to Navia. Ganyu buffs herself so much with crit and cryo + cryo resonance that I ran her in a blizzard strayer for the first time and 36 star the abyss 12.

Us man

Cryo has the same problem as Geo: being excluded from Dendro reactions (or in the case of Geo, all reactions) is completely gimping the element. Sure, you can still set up freeze and melt teams, but they are just much clunkier, and while you won't see the BIG NUMBERS (TM), in terms of over time DPS, Dendro reaction teams and even tazer teams can beat them while being much easier to build and use. Also, people just tend to gravitate towards the new toys, both in terms of characters and mechanics, and Cryo didn't get anything really interesting since Shenhe came out.

It should rise again when we go to a Cryo region

I don't understand. Melt.

@@innnffxxi it's harder to get huge value out of melt for Cryo characters due to the nature of their kits being so multi hit/sustained DPS. Reverse melt ganyu/rosaria/whoever can do good dmg but at this point the it's been power crept in both dmg and set up.

@@Za_Phantom 300k melt kills every abyss. Not hard. C1/R2

Ayaka can be played in hyperfridge so she has gotten flexible too with Dendro

I recommend Ayaka Hyperburgeon, use Thoma Nahida and Water and you see more bloom exploding!

because he doesn't just stay still spamming charged attacks and hoping to not get hit so he doesn't get nterrupted

Same. Perma freeze

Lolol still to this day I go into abyss floors 9-11, set up Morgana on one side and turn off my brain after throwing everyone's bursts up

Is Ganyu's burst alone enough to keep the enemies frozen? Or should I build Rosa

@@BlueCoreGamming ya pretty much, if you can afford to swap out to burst on cooldown. It's cooldown and duration are both 15 seconds

@@BlueCoreGamming diona better if you are going double cryo, shield + battery + heal

Yeah and even if you dont use her charged shee its still uselfull, ofcourse you may be remplase her with sheene but damm, i wanna use her with navia to generate particles and crystals

Sad, The fact that I have to use her with a 2nd healer already makes her not viable for any team I want to build, because I don't usually use healers. I feel like she might be a little overrated?

@@OkSearnot even Bennett? 💀

​@@OkSearskill issue on your part tbh. Everyone should have multiple healers built. Even sayu on furina teams is superior to kazuha and bennet.

​@erryCocoaPowder Tbh, I dislike Bennett's gameplay. Putting down red circle on the ground for a few seconds and that's it. I don't find that interesting. The characters I want to see be good (eg. Kujou Sara, Eula and Dehya) are technically made useless by Mihoyo and we are forced to use Bennet and Nahida loli for meta.

I use her and furina, I'd say its actually fine for freeze teams, using Furina like a replacement for kokomi

Not shit

Most of the time I play Ganyu/Furina/ Shenhe/Kazuha and while the numbers do check up, HP drain from Furina and lack of other healer makes playing a mess due to constant switching between healer and damage Furina.

@@janek1031 Get Jean or any rapid healer but Sunfire makes it insane purely by how many reactions all go to feed into each other with the additional buffs makes her hit like a brick.

Inazuma has the majority of enemies that cannot be ulted by venti I remember the first time I saw my ulti become useless, I felt the fear lol.

You don't need to press Q with Ganyu ever, her double charge can hit individual targets for 50k when she's not even optimially built, and is itself a targeted AoE

@@Troopertroll her Q has a 6000% scaling total I think its pretty strong as an aoe. basically why shes venti's best partner

@@Troopertroll tbf her charged shot is so slow so that justifies that dmg a bit, but other teams like minimal invest Hyperbloom can simply deal 30k per seed and hitting 2-4 times by the time Ganyu finish her charged shot.

You can actually pull most heavy enemies into Venti's vortex if you freeze them since freezeing reduces their weight. If you combine freeze with Jeans charged attk (which also reduces weight) you can even pull a lawachurl into his burst.

x2 I have her from day 1, i have cleaned the abyss with her since then and i will continue playing with her all the time. She is way better than people try to make her look 🥰

Clearing Abyss in over 40 seconds really does not say anything. Could take you 7 minutes as well.

same

​@@RaffoPhantom">40" it's "under" not "over" man

Under 40second?! Must be a huge skill issue for me

Ganyu is still the best at it but the fact that Lyney can overworld snipe now too also takes away some of the niche she had.

​@rirururu4697 i couldnt agree less. Lyney lacks the aoe ganyu has, access to freeze, cryo resonance, and pretty much any reactions to make overworld content completely trivial

With how lore is going I find kinda hard we even could get the cryo archon

But remember ayaka is still far better than ganyu in all aspects. Unless ur specifically using ganyu ayaka would outdps.

ayaka is only slightly more powerful than her in freeze, and that too more in scenarios against bosses and less wave heavy content. Usually ganyu freeze can outdps ayaka freeze in multi-wave and mob heavy content due to her burst's quadratic scaling and overall higher sustained dps output vs ayaka's frontloaded output. in raw kit value there's also more versatlilty to Ganyu, the main advantage ayaka has is that 50% of genshin players play on mobile so Ganyu is out of the question for them even without any other factor@@saiba726

She is not done. She does 300k melt in the abyss. Still going strong as she was before. C1/R2

Yeah she is amazing as a freeze support I use her with wanderer kokomi and kazuha sometimes with Neuvilette. I use skyward harp with her tho and an er sands and can keep her burst up 100% of the time and she does decent damage too.

What's your team for that fight? It takes a loooong time to finish it.

I just run good old melt with Benny, Xiangling and Zhongli. I poke the whale with frostflakes until it eats me, fight the boss inside normally, then have enough damage to finish the fight in the window you get when it lets you back out again. Tho the fight is always going to take some time, with how it is designed @@valrond

@@cava208 Thank you. Yes, the fight is made to be long, which sucks, but it's better is we can make it shorter. There a reason why Childe is my most killed weekly boss. 😂

Reaction hypers included

If you liked her, just go for her, she is much better than this video tries to make her looks like xD

Ganyu main here, if you like her, use her. She's pretty cheap to build too, especially if you use her in freeze. You don't need a high crit rate and her ascension stat is crit damage. You'll need some good supports tho, regardless if you use her in freeze or melt

@@steffy23456 thanks for the tips :) supports is really where im struggling in Genshin at the moment. I'm still fairly new to the game so my account is slacking in some areas, I dont even have a single healer apart from Barbara lmao

@@NamelessJohan if you want to do melt with her, the standard comp is Ganyu-Bennett-Xiangling-Zhongli. If you don't have Zhongli, Thoma is second best I think. You could also go with Diona or Layla, but that's nit recommended, since you only want Ganyu to be the one reverse melting. If you're going freeze, the standard comp is Ganyu-Diona-Mona-Venti. If you have Layla or Rosaria, you can replace Diona with them or even with Kaeya if you're short on units, although I wouldn't recommend the latter. You can replace Mona with Kokomi or Furina, but anyone else doesn't work that well. You can also replace Venti with Kazuha, Sucrose or Lynette, not recommended tho

@@steffy23456 Layla is fine but she'll only be an e bot because of how long her shield stays on she's the only one close to Zhongli in that matter which means have one of them and the other one is free for something else like Hu Tao double hydro.

I love Tighnari to bits, but sometimes when I play him he's even... too quick lmao. I end up with silly downtime where I don't know what to even do. Maybe my team is TOO quickswappy with other units too lmao.

Whenever someone says Ganyu isn't comfy on mobile I feel like I'm insane because I prefer playing her on mobile

@@steffy23456 Is that so? I would have imagined that aiming on mobile devices would be a nightmare, but it's true that fingers are a bit more accurate than joysticks. Perhaps it's actually worse on console instead. One thing about Ganyu is her explosive arrow so it's not so bad anyway.

@@necasa4919 I tried aiming on a PlayStation and it was really bad lmao. If you have experience woth mobile first person shooters, aiming on mobile isn't that bad. There's also shielders to use to make it run smoother. Also aiming with Ganyu is more forgiving than for example Nari or Lyney

It's bizarre. He acknowledges National, International, Melt Ganyu, Morgana and Double Geo Hu Tao... 3:15 "I think most of us can agree Ganyu was the first character to jump start team building and meta development" And then says this: 6:10 "Raiden Shogun who changed the entire landscape and established the first widely used meta team."

Yeah and that's part of the problem "nothing has happened to her", she hasn't receive any buff with units. The way to go with melt is still Xiangling Bennett Zhongli, a three years old team, freeze has gotten better you could say, with Kazuha + Shenhe but most abyss content is bosses and heavy enemies (so Venti gets nerfed to the ground), the Venti and Ganyu's interaction that gives quadruple scaling is the only thing that makes her better than Ayaka, but that interaction is most of the time useless on abyss 11 and 12. She NEEDS an indirect buff with other characters, and it has to be with the melt comp 'cause Ganyu just cannot compete with Ayaka.

Who do you use to start the fire? I want to try! Or just tell your full team? Sounds fun~

​@@Seulji My go-to Nahida Melt Ganyu team is Ganyu, Nahida, Bennett, c4 Yanfei. Usually Bennett is starting the fire. Nahida skill/burst -> Bennett burst/skill (feed energy to Yanfei) -> Yanfei burst/skill -> Ganyu picks up Bennett's Sapwood leaf and Charge shots When using Nahida Melt Ganyu, you need to either be really fast or really slow with your charge shots; being in the middle makes you drop burning. Being fast enough lets you melt while it's still a Burning aura and not a Pyro aura, while being slow enough gives enough time for Trikarma to hit the Pyro Aura and turn it back into Burning. If you find yourself missing your opportunity to get your fast shot, it's better to wait for the slow timing for your next shot; you can kind of mix the fast and slow timings together depending on the situation, though obviously the fast timing is better dps-wise. c4 Yanfei is mainly there for the shield, though she's nice to have as a backup Pyro to restart burning from a distance if I drop it or if the enemy is far away. She's also very Energy hungry, so I run 2pc HP, 2pc ER on her and an ER sands. Weapons can be Prototype Amber if you need energy help or TTDS if you're confident in your Energy Requirement (I use TTDS with 200 ER, and I still sometimes need a couple extra Bennett skills to charge her back up). If you don't have Yanfei's c4, Dehya is also a respectable option (I don't have her myself. It seems like you may have uptime issues with her skill, though). Xinyan is kind of the desperate pick. I do not recommend using Zhongli as your shielder for this team. If you do, his pillar can crystallize your burning which triggers Nahida's Trikarma at the wrong time which can make you lose burning, and if you're far away from the enemy so that the pillars are a non-issue, then you're not getting the res shred he provides, so there's no real reason to run him unless you just want to save materials from not building another character.

@@crocworks I'm honestly so unga bunga I would have tried using yoimiya to start burning from afar over yanfei but i should probably care for her shields lol i don't think i have c4 yanfei yet so for now i'll probably do bootleg to practice the charged shot intervals as you mentioned with yoimiya if there's nothing to beat my ass in and zhongli if there is but they stay relatively far away from the pillars ty for the info!

Thats just not true tho, the numbers are just better for ayaka

Ayaka's burst my guy

There is the reverese melt ganyu build with bennet and nahida where you trigger burn, buff ganyu and blast people with 6 digits charged shots.

The coordinated attacks of both Yelan and Xingqiu only trigger upon normal attacking.. so a Pyro version of either of them would do nothing for Ganyu lol

Try zhongli, nahida, bennet and ganyu, thank me later

​@@raderelcaroman1403i tried it, had fun scorching the geo lizard

Thoma is kinda the pyro Xq tho isnt he?

she is still a broken unit, problem is that Ayaka has a better Q DMG and that CAs for archers take so much time; in fact if Neuvillette didn't have a way too launch his CA faster he would have been droped like her and Yoimiya. What she needs is a CA support that makes CAs been launched faster

Nah she fell off, she's replaceable by other units in all her teams

She fell what? who can do better burnmelt 100k per charge shot these days? ayaka? with what investment? lmao@@memoriesbrokenthetruthgoes9105

Ganyu melt or freeze still the same team from 1.3 version common hoyo throw a support for my baby

Every character getting supports or artifacts but with ganyu case not even one cruel

Nahida happened lol Except that nothing has changed he's still good

Me a tighnari main: 🧐

Nothing? He got stronger over time if anything xd

I cleared the seahorse boss with tighnari nahida zhongli and raiden with only 50sec lol. I could go faster if I replace zhongli with bennet, but I suck at dodging

He is still good, maybe not neuvilette tier but still good.

Fr, missed out even more with not being able to react with Dendro.

Geo mains: First time?

@@reece5634 cryo helps dendro with helping create more seeds though

@@annuelpuns Physical 💀💀💀💀

@@littleswansplaygrownd6817 I feel like this is more of the result of Cryo not having reactions with Dendro, rather than the intention

Yeah , what i call im his time the ganyu effect xd

While you are indeed correct, that the title of the Video was choosen poorly, bc Ganyu did not change at all, the things said within the Video are mostly true. It is because the game has changed a lot, and Ganyu isnt meta anymore. But thats about it, as you said a good c1 Ganyu with either a R2 Amos or R1 FGM will easily beat any kind of content, so who cares if other characters are faster. Im still going to pull her on her next rerun. Since i got my C6 Arlecchino who does the "hard work" i can just use whatever character i want for the rest of the time.