Awesome until they weren't. Unfortunate last few years other than 2017. The program didn't recruit well enough to compete with programs like Alabama and Clemson and it showed the two times that MSU got blown out by Alabama. If MSU ever wants to compete for a championship and not just a Big 10 conference championship they need to get better at recruiting and making coaching changes when necessary. Other than that, nothing but respect for Dantonio for what he was able to do with his staff and players the majority of the time he coached there.
Yes they were fun times. But the part that got me mad was that Dantonio wouldn’t wanna change his ways and get rid of the offensive staff. But I still thank him for what he has done at msu
@@upbeatplays5264 You're right, and I was happy to see Michigan lose, but I want to see MSU be as competitive as Alabama and Clemson. And they had a chance but they just didn't recruit well enough nor upgrade coaching staff. I'm hoping Mel Tucker can start pulling in some top recruits so he can make MSU not only a great program, but one that won't get blown out by Alabama. Clemson was able to do it so there is hope for MSU. But the only winning season that MSU has had since 2015 was 2017 when they won 10 games. Since then, yes they've made it to a couple of bowl games but I don't count those as winning seasons because all they really needed were 6 wins. Don't know about you, but I hope MSU and the coaches want to win 10 plus games each season, not just every few years and eventually championship.
I can firmly say that the downfall of Nebraska was solely on them firing Bo Pelini. Pelini came back home to Youngstown, where I live and where he grew up, to coach YSU. And what he did with the talent he had was remarkable. He even took YSU to an FCS championship one year.
clemson used to a 3rd tier program with nothing but medicre seasons (7 win seasons were considered successful) . imo, MSU def has enough name brand to recruit strongly and redefine their football program, but it's going to take a really good coach, alot of money, and alot of time.
Oodibigah nope second tier programs turn into 1st Clemson at one point was a mediocre program same with Alabama and penn state I saw what we are capable of before we at one point was a 1st option program we I mean look they said we were a just going to be a mediocre and what did we do go the the rose bowl win we went to the cotton bowl and won and made it to the playoffs and won the big ten 2nd tier my ass Spartan football well be back soon.
{feitan} they’re definitely second tier. Tbh dantonio didn’t evolve with the times. His defense was good but no offense killed him. Clemson is at the top because they have some of the best schemes in the nation and the recruiting caught up when people realized how good they were. Saban evolved his offense with kiffin. Dantonio didn’t sadly.
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Yeah, that was the only msu team I thought might just be able to compete against Alabama. Mainly because that msu defense (the no fly zone) was just really good.
MSU fan here 2010-15 were the best years of watching football in my life. Wish they can have that swagger back but our program is going into the ground. Very sad to see
Good video, but having grown up in Lansing I can tell you that the 2013 team is looked at in much higher regard than the 2015 team. Had the playoff been around that year, they would've had a good shot. That defense was something else. The 2015 team caught so many breaks.
this is so true, they peaked in the big ten championship against ohio state in 2013, slowly declined over two years until 2016 when they fell off a cliff. 2013 msu was the best defense of the decade in cfb imp
It’s relative. All’s relative. I remember when MSU was one of the clear Elite programs in the 50s & 60s. Also, we were famous for recruiting & playing African Americans when other premier programs would not. Texas. Alabama. Duffy was cool! Then there was the 10-10 tie where MSU + ND = a Pro Team. Seriously. MSU had 1/2 of the first 8 players drafted by the Pros! Bubba, Rover-man Webster, Jones & Washington. State was as cool as you could get. I was accepted to Michigan, then attended the 10-10 tie & changed to State for the fall 67 class. Then, the S hit the fan...... Never regretted the decision. It’s all relative & it’s all good. It’s all fun. We were in the playoffs. We kicked Michigan’s ass 7 out of 8 years recently. And on and on. We have one of the truly premier CBB programs. The most popular sports on campus are CFB, CBB and hockey & State is still the only school to win two National Championships in all three sports. Quit your bellyaching! And, students, Internet Courage is not. STOP. GO GREEN. GO WHITE
@@scottrichards2080 my sources tell me jim Harbaugh contract extension , jim.harbaugh take a big pay cut, but incentive, short extension,, cost 10 millions to buyout jim Harbaugh & his staff, or get fired Michigan cannot afford that, jim Harbaugh had been telling recuits he coming back
Unpopular opinion: I was actually a fan of Dantonio during his time at Michigan State. Sure, he had issues off the field and didnt do things to progress the program continually though his 13 years as head coach. But he helped bring us some of the most memorable games and outcomes that Michigan State has ever seen. Little Giants, Rocket, the 100th Rose Bowl, the major comeback against Baylor, the triple OT game against Georgia, the muffed punt. He will truly go down as one of my favorite coaches thus far for Michigan State and I hope whoever takes his place is just as exciting to watch.
Is it me, or are all the 2nd tier programs of the 2010 starting to fall off? Look at teams like TCU, Stanford and MSU for the past couple seasons. Edit: At 8:24 How’d you forget Iowa and Kinnick Stadium (the house of horrors)?
Yes theyre a Second tier program. They're not bottom feeders, Nor blue bloods or mid majors (football). Yes they can have good years once a decade or so, but they're 2nd tier
It’s relative. All’s relative. I remember when MSU was one of the clear Elite programs in the 50s & 60s. Also, we were famous for recruiting & playing African Americans when other premier programs would not. Texas. Alabama. Duffy was cool! Then there was the 10-10 tie where MSU + ND = a Pro Team. Seriously. MSU had 1/2 of the first 8 players drafted by the Pros! Bubba, Rover-man Webster, Jones & Washington. State was as cool as you could get. I was accepted to Michigan, then attended the 10-10 tie & changed to State for the fall 67 class. Then, the S hit the fan...... Never regretted the decision. It’s all relative & it’s all good. It’s all fun. We were in the playoffs. We kicked Michigan’s ass 7 out of 8 years recently. And on and on. We have one of the truly premier CBB programs. The most popular sports on campus are CFB, CBB and hockey & State is still the only school to win two National Championships in all three sports. Quit your bellyaching! And, students, Internet Courage is not. STOP. GO GREEN. GO WHITE
This is a really good video! The narrator gets right to the point and uses clips exclusively. It's not all about him and his insights are good. Good job!
Cincinnati alumnus here. Like Fickell will not be leaving Cincinnati for MSU. I'm sure I'll get flamed, because this is the internet we're talking about, but Fickell is 1) Happy at Cincinnati, 2) Not treating Cincinnati as a stepping stone. Say what you will about our conference, but Cincinnati is no longer a step, but becoming a destination. Most of the football world wouldn't roast UC if they were ACC or Big 12 members. Besides, I wouldn't want to inherit a train wreck under investigation from the NCAA. No thanks.
oh, and all those final 4's in basketball is/was disappointing to you. spoiled fan, that's for sure! a lot of teams don't even make the tourney stupid.
@@j.michaelnolan6388 Literally no one is talking about basketball. Maybe look at the title of the video before you call me stupid for commenting on the football program
I've got to believe the Dantonio and MSU discussed this beforehand and MSU was supportive of Dantonio retiring now instead of a month ago. MSU could easily have said, we are going to pay Dantonio his 4 Mill and let him go so we can start recruiting a new HC ASAP.
Two of my good friends play football at MSU, Jaydon Reed and Payton Throne, I hope the new coach will use them. Also Cinnati looked at my friend for QB, also NOTI Gang!!!
@@williamgullett5911 And Michigan will never be as good as Ohio State Y'all will be confined by them year after year. Never making it past theme will be Better than Michigan sooner or later
@@BloodFeitan Even with Ohio St winning 12 or 13 straight Michigan has won more vs OSU. Michigan baseball, including making the championship last year, is better than OSU baseball all time. Michigan hockey is better than OSU hockey. Michigan basketball is better...and a Michigan education is better than OSU education. I will have to say Ohio St is better than Michigan at one thing....players being arrested.
Dantonio - one of the best coaches in the country, thank you Coach D for the honor and success you brought to MSU. You deserve a statue. And now, ladies and gentlemen - Luke Fickell!
Update: The MSU board of trustees having a different direction with the football program including indirectly pressuring Dantonio into retirement and not really allowing Dantonio having a say on his successor when he was going to retire at a later time triggered him into a sudden retirement. In addition, Dantonio was clearly was going earn his bonus regardless of whether or not he was the coach by January 23rd. MSU failed to hire Luke Fickell but they still hired Mel Tucker who not only looks very promising, he too was a former Saban assistant and also was a former assistant for the 2002 Ohio State national championship team like Dantonio was. Plus, Tucker is an elite recruiter and did great work at Colorado which was heading towards a dead program when he first took over. The lawsuit with Curtis Blackwell appears to be favoring Dantonio since there has been no evidence of violations. Blackwell then continued to drag the case and included claims that Dantonio is a racist. There was no evidence for that either. Dantonio appears to be clean at this point.
Coach Dantonio received a lot of criticism at the end of his tenure at Michigan State, but Mark was a really serious professional, and truly one of the best leaders of any program in the country. It was pretty disrespectful, as far as I see it, for some of the problems of the university to in some ways fall on his shoulders in the eyes of Michigan State fans. I went to basically every Michigan State football game from five years old until I graduated from high school in 2013, the year of Michigan State's Rose Bowl Victory (The Defensive MVP of the Rose Bowl was an older friend of mine from my school), and Coach Dantonio did Michigan State University a hell of a service with his work. The stadium was always electric, to note some of the most magical games in college football history (Michigan State v. Notre Dame - Fake Field Goal in Overtime, Michigan State v. Wisconsin - Hail Mary, Michigan State v. Michigan - Final Play Special Teams Touchdown), and the players always played with fire and love for the game. He didn't get the recognition that a lot of great coaches get like Saban or Paterno, but he took his first big opportunity and capitalized on it, bringing Michigan State their first Rose Bowl victory in generations and bringing lifelong fans of Michigan State University like me a great deal of pride. He took a program that was mediocre at best when he arrived and brought us to greatness. Thanks, Coach Dantonio. It's a beautiful day for football. Ahoo. Ahoo. Ahoo.
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The downfall is when the Beg Ten moved MSU to the east division. They averaged a 10-3 record before the move and 8-5 after. I think averaging 7 to 9 wins is what to expect from MSU.
Michigan St has not always played in the Big 10 East. They were in the Legends Division of the Big 10. Legends: Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska and Northwestern. Leaders: Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue and Wisconsin. They moved to the east in 2014. herosports.com/college-football/big-ten-legends-leaders-ahah
@@johnadams5678 based on the Legends and Leaders era there was no east and west. They played on the Legends side with Michigan until Maryland and Rutgers were added in 2014. Not clear on exactly what you're trying to argue.
@@johnadams5678 they also have two Cotton Bowl appearances while in the East, once against Baylor and the other in the College Football Playoff against Bama which was the zenith on the Dantonio era. So not sure what you're talking about.
My point is they play Michigan, Ohio St, and Penn St on a yearly basis. They go from having to play just Michigan every year to now adding OSU and PSU. When you play teams that are traditionally better then you, you lose. That helped the decline from 2015 to now. They are 6-9 against those teams in that time span.
Chach Wa you can hold as many records as you want but if you can’t bring your team to a decent bowl game and win then that’s not a good QB. He is by far not the best QB to go to MSU for sure
I’m a big MSU fan. Dantonio was a really great coach and fact that he made the CFP before Harbaugh means he’s a little bit underrated. I hope Fickle is our next coach
It took dantonio 8 years to get to the playoffs and harbaugh has only coaches 5 years at Michigan. So until harbaugh has coached at Michigan for 8 years you can’t say dantonio made it before him. Dantonio has a .667 win percentage at MSU and is regarded as the greatest coach in their history. Harbaugh has a .723 win percentage and their fans want him fired. That just shows the difference in the two programs and their coaches. Different standards
Lightning 10 it’s also great to point out that once harbaugh showed up MSU completely died off. The only wins against harbaugh they had was a once in a lifetime miracle and lucky rainy game vs a sped qb in John okorn.
Oodibigah rain?? this is football I don’t care we come out there and shut down Michigan no excuses be ready to play in any condition and 2015 yeah it was a bit of luck but we still executed enough to block that punt and plus Harbaugh is a terrible bowl coach and Dantonio is a good bowl coach and mark Dantonio won big ten Championship not to mention Dantonio beat Ohio State and Michigan hasn’t even won the big ten East
@@drewlbers dantonio has a lower win percentage because of the abysmal last 2 years, but his win percentage against top-10 teams is way higher. maybe it would mean something if Harbaugh had beaten dantonio when MSU has a winning record.
Offense has definitely always been our weak point, but Dantonio's a brilliant mind on Defense and focuses on winning through trying to maintain ball possession for as long as possible and beat the crap out of them on defense. A lot of slow paced grind-them-out games but that was his style. Here's to hoping Luke Fickell brings us back
Alabama fan here. What happened to MSU is the same things that happened to Texas in 2010; LSU in 2012; and Notre Dame in 2013. A loss in the title game set back those programs. It was faster with MSU.
Hold up... its not honorable to take the money that was negotiated and agreed in your contract? You stepped out of line there. That is like accusing a smart rich man of being a thief for using the tax code to his advantage.
Nothing in this is analysis. You're just recounting what happened and stating facts. So many unprofessional pauses and ums and likes. Bunch of mistakes that you just didn't cut and redo. It sounds like you recorded it in something like 15 minutes.
What happened to Michigan state was all of their best players got in trouble for absolutely awful things and set them back at key positions the last few years. Coach Tucker is having a great start.
You should do the New Orleans Saints from 2010 to 2020. Super Bowl champs to bounty gate scandal, a couple playoff appearances, 3 straight 7-9 seasons, and the 3 heartbreaks that followed.
Hey Cole! You should do a “Revival” series. For example The Oregon Ducks and possibly Tennessee in the future, Florida, Georgia, etc... I think that’d be great and really interesting!
3 yards and a cloud of dust is thinking from the 1960s.in the 2020s it’s all about having a great quarterback and surrounding him with talent. MSU was great at developing 3 star players but when you get past the great 3 of Hoyer Cook and Cousins, the quarterback play was terrible and their record reflected it. You could blame this on many things or it may be a combination of thing like old school thinking, poor line play, poor coaching snd bad play calling and average skill position players. I hope MSU gets good again it’s hard to compete with the big boys when you are constantly ranked 30-50 in recruiting. They do make a lot of what they get, but there is a huge drop off between OSU and bamas 3rd snd 4th string snd MSUs.
If it’s in his contract then collecting his money isn’t wrong at all. He earned it and it was on paper. Plenty of players, and coaches do it, it’s like a bonus thanking you for earning the right to stay the coach thru the contract. And I hate the recruiting violations, everyone violates it in some way or another, they just choose who to slander and do it to get money back. I hate it
Heavy and unfortunate downfall. But a lot of this is on Dantonio for being stubborn and not making necessary coaching changes and for not recruiting more 4/5 star players. Kinda interesting seeing what Mel Tucker is trying to do in terms or recruiting and coaching staff. Should be fun to see how his coaching tenure plays out.
@@upbeatplays5264 Yes he was. But his last few years 2016-2019 (with the exception of 2017) were just bad. I feel bad for him, because I think he really wanted a couple of more years to retire on top, but he just didn't like making coaching changes and unfortunately it showed. Other than that, I hope they commemorate his time as a head coach by building him a statue or something, because they had a lot of success under him.
Like next year when snake Tucker who Lied to team at Colorado, the admin., his staff, media and fans, winds up with recruiting violations S.E.C. style and is ousted.
I went to MSU during the middle to end of Damtonio’s career at MSU. Sure he brought me some of my favorite moments like 27-23 and the field gold against Ohio, but I will not forget how horrible to sex scandals were with his team and on campus. It was a terrifying and weak time to be a Spartan, so what did Dantonio do?? He Took the Money and ran. MSU really needs to rebuild both culturally and on the field now (And I think deep down we know which is more important)
You don't have to look much further than Curtis Blackwell trying to cover his butt and get a big payday from MSU to find an answer to your question. Dantonio ran a great program, the mistake made was recruiting too many primadonnas and letting discipline relax. Let the entitled primadonnas go to U of M. Spartans will take players who want to stand or fall with their brothers and leave it all on the field. Earn the recognition, don't just expect it. Go Green!!!
We punish players by making them sit out a year if they transfer. He got a $4.3 million reward and abruptly quit!Terrible double standard. Why are we giving college football coaches so many perks to coach a game?
Sit out a year? Boy that’s a rare case. MSU choose to award the bonus in late January so the timing is on the Administration. Lastly, if you have not learned yet that nobody is looking out for your Family except you, it is not too late. He was a great coach but not a perfect one. They do not exist but there is a very small group of coaches that win wherever they go and do it quickly. Sabin took a last place Toledo team to win it all in one year. Then he left but you get the point...
clint stetler you are wrong. No one is looking out for Mark and his Family but him. His Family comes first, period. The admin picked a date late in a January so the timing is on them. The Fans lost faith in Mark starting two years ago and hit a crescendo this past season. I know, I saw it and heard it. He was a great coach but not perfect. Remember the good times and move on.....
Doubling up: not nearly as bad as Paterno's exit but when the truth appears, D'Antonio took the $ and ran before MSU gets hit with sanctions resulting from Coach D's indiscretions.
I think they're okay with it. The majority of them on social media have said he earned it, but they aren't happy that he refused to make coaching changes. They are also okay with him taking the bonus as long as he retired. They wanted him gone badly during an after this season was over.