What Happened To Ornn? (Why NO ONE Plays Him Anymore) | League of Legends 

Yeah ornn needs lvl 13 to be useful in match. (Classic tank build scales only with level)

@@VeneficusCubes see the problem is, tanks fall off in late game in current meta. Because of anti tank items like LDR, void staff, and demonic embrace. A tank needing to be that high to be use a part of his kit means that at any time, there's something in oorn's kit that the player is never benefiting from

@@khalilrahme5227 That's why i usually build oftank (2-3 tank items and filling of dmg items) so that i'd do some punching in the meantime

@@khalilrahme5227 *cough* 20% AP ratio on ultimate.

@@VeneficusCubes 20% is nothing.

Yeah Volibear is the boomer that always says how everything was better in the old days while Ornn just wants peacefullness. Like when you pick him he just says "Fine, i'll go"

I recently started playing him and I love him. I usually go for warmogs early game so I can get the hp Regen then sit in lane and never leave. I've started playing him as support and it's good for when my adc leaves lane or their adc leaves lane. I just push

Ornn and Volibear are not rivals they're brothers and mortal enemies. Volibear tricked Ornn into killing his own followers the only followers Ornn ever had and grew to like cause they showed their devotion by trying to ever improve as craftsman which was very much to his liking. Even though he never officially acknowledged them as his followers it hit him very hard when they died even more so because it happened due to his own temper.

@@Terrordragonfly I did know about their extremely bad blood (I also found it cool and kind of sad that in Voli's rework, he shed his armor, meaning Ornn's followers even more meaninglessly), but their voice lines made me kind of consider them like rivals in the game. I guess it's just my weird head cannon ig

On other words ornn is a tsundere

I love playing Ornn, he’s my secondary after Bard. He’s so much fun

Bard Bard Bard Bard Diff

@@studentbroke7507 cringe

I've seen the fan art. It's the weird kind too.

That's s11 in a nutshell

Yugioh, probably every other game

I prefer this meta instead of the wet noodle fights and games lasting 40 minutes each tank meta

@@erikb4407 I prefer that

@@erikb4407 I also prefer that, but that might be because I'm sick of this one shot meta rn. I just really think that it needs to shift away at some point

There isn't a single "someone who shall not be named". Every champion released in the past 2 years is an overloaded mess. But yes, Akshan is the pinnacle of this.

​@@marinmarinhola My disdain for Viego as a character aside, his kit is very simple. Ofc he has too high numbers, but it just requires few nerfs, you don't have to chop half his kit to make him balanced (unlike Yone, Gwen or Senna). To be fair the only champions released in last 2 years that i like are Rell and Sett (even though he is currently too strong). Everyone else is either badly designed, characterized or both. Akshan i have yet to see in game, but his preview screams balance nightmare. Yone hijacked Zed's ult into his basic ability and made it better, Gwen did the same with Xin's ult and Akshan dug up Revive and removed it's cooldown. That's indeed broken beyond recognition and he seems like straight up better Sivir - more dmg, more mobility and more safety.

@@Xertaron. that would be true if Virgo didn't have his passive and ult reset. His base kit isn't that complicated but his passive combined with his ult reset make him overloaded as hell. He has every single basic ability in the game. That's overloaded as hell IMO.

@@Xertaron. in what way is akshan even slightly similar to sivir lol. He has a boomerang I guess, but akshan is a mid lane assassin that happens to be ranged more than anything.

@@marinmarinhola The thing is if you reduce his numbers he will have to work harder to get a kill, which will make reseting more difficult. The reason why it's overpowered right now is because his dmg is too high and he can reliably reset over and over. The only thing i would change mechanically is to make him keep his items when transformed, similar to Dota 2's Morphling. That would give him a niche instead of being good against everyone.

Isn't he a kpop star already?

@@belgirgucu3248 he is kpop daddy

I want Ornn to be in KDA now.

But then he has to be the pimp he actually is - long live SUGAR DADDY ORNN

Don't worry, I'm sure Riot will give him an e-boy skin one day like they've been giving to other monster champs lately.

i wanna pet him

Isnt Voli more fluffy?

@@Eldex0 Yes, really on Ornns face and around his shoulders is fluff, the rest of him is skin

Last game I was playing sion, they had brand with liandry, I don't need to say anything else.

Imagine Morgana already being capable of ccing a target for 9 seconds :)

@@purplereimu9701 But every Brand in existance is building Liandry´s though? And most of the time, Demonic for the triple burn, so annoying.

I sometimes build it on Anivia when there's one enemy with very high damage because they got fed so I can actually stay close to deal my damage. It's a very late item I'd get though since then my damage is already high enough

haven't finished vid yet but my god please tell this derpy didn't seriously say "no one would buy anathema's chains"

MY MAN! I main both Kled and Ornn! Used to play Mundo a lot before the rework, but now I can't really get the hang of him for some reason

@@hamter504 he is understatted, but still gets played in proplay, which is why he got nerfed. He is very killable now. I think he was better before this rework, because he could counter high cc and magic damage teams. Now that nieche is gone. Edit: sorry I meant him the guy who perfectly fits in the nieche, is gone.

@@tomwanders6022 youre talking about Mundo right? yeah, i miss his old magic resist passive on his E, it made some matchups much more tolerable. i also just enjoyed old mundo jg clear a lot more, new mundo clear feels... off.

I think the same! I main Poppy, Kled and Ornn

@@heckclothing i wanted to try Poppy too and wanted to ask, since she is a specialist but the meta changed alot, where is she supposed to be played now? Because I don't think Toplane is her thing anymore

Exactly I like how he is in the moment, I'm too tanky to die and I can 1v1 an urgot a level and item up on me

Oh god, he managed to tank Yone in the late game longer than others can, lets buff yone then make sure Ornn has lower base health...

But....but....more skins for him!

Yea but sometimes the champs don’t have what you want even though there fun they don’t peak your interest

Tactical Goat is my fav tank to play. Did you know - triple britle proc combo deals 70% max hp magic dmg. On top of flat physical and 3s of knock up?

i remember at one point people thought of the idea of just literally trying to stay in lane to soak up as much EXP as possible to hit level 11 or 12 really early like 15 mins and with proper CSing and maybe some assists or kills you could rush double sunfire with merc treads and literally be unkillable because both sunfires would evolve and now you have like 300 armor with sunfire and like 3000 health, any AD toplaner was officially out scaled by that point since sunfire was at the time much cheaper then 2 bruiser or full on damage items.

I main tanks actually (Sion and Kench mostly) but Ornn's gameplay just doesn't click with me for some reason. Last week i gave him a try once more and just solidified this opinion.

Ornn is isnt as braindead as Malphite, Maokai or Poppy, but playing fighters in toplane, like Irelia, Fiora and Riven is generally much more fun and rewarding than more skill expressive tanks like Shen, Zac and Ornn, because these champs have much more kills pressure and do more with a lead, yet inherently offer much less value to their team. What you also need to consider is how the experience is of playing against certain champions feels like to the guy on the recieving end, and why it leads to the community wanting to have these champs nerfed. Last season I would ban Ornn in almost every single game I played top, for a few reasons. I got absolutely slapped everytime I played against it, Ornn dealt way too much damage, and his trading pattern is very much like "Get off me/get out of my way", which feels very unfun to play against. Then came the issue of how much better he scaled, I'd argue Ornn was the closest thing in the game to an autowin if the game goes above 30 minutes, I'd rather have an Ornn on my team lategame than Kayle or Kassadin. You felt like you were in a rush to end the game, yet you could not do anything in lane to further your lead, because if you run into Ornn, you just lose. Even in the rare case you got a big lead in lane somehow, Ornn would be more usefull to his team than you anyways. This season changed things tho, now everything shreds tanks, and Ornn feels much weaker 1v1 with just 1 evolved item, but unfortunately there are still many toplaners that are unfun to go up against.

love my beef lads

i'll add a little into the Shen hate -- guy is so annoying

Ha I main both. They're both equally as fun but I get what you mean I play shen more than I play anyone else

@@chillbro2275 He's annoying cause his whole thing is catching you lacking which people don't like.

Same, i Play Shen and when i can't play it or i'm against sett i play ornn, i have higher winrate with ornn but shen is just too funny to play xd

Cries in Ornn, Trynda, Udyr, Braum, Cho'Gath, Trundle, Tahm Kench

Or just cc him so he cant hit his ult, or he miss timed it. XD.

@@xaussiemarksmanx8381 pain.

if you can land ult you just win and as you said high skill ceiling

Is there any video about the thing you said? Im curious

@@watawota2510 I think skill capped made one yesterday

@@watawota2510 you don't need a video it's a simple concept. ornn scales harder than all other tanks and wants a farm lane as much as possible. anathemas gives him very one sided trades in lane and is extremely threatening in ganks/dives if your jungler has extra cc with the tenacity debuff

@@biggiecheese2004 also remember ornn get bonus health from all sources making the damage reduction from anathema more efective

@@biggiecheese2004 not really useful bcz of the passive more important bcz the raw stat for really cheap, it has 650 health and 20 cdr (2300g for the raw stat) for 2500g is so good, the 2nd best option being warmog at 800 health and 10 cdr (2400g for the raw stat) + 600g in regeneration wich SUCKS ASS in lol when u explode in 5 sec, for 3000g which is so much better they can't be compared

He is tank of the tanks, his passive literally gives him bonus armour/resistance/health for every armour/resistance/health he gets from items. He also posses shit ton of CC and was considered champion with most knocups in his kit. Where is problem you ask? Well you could look at Vars video :,,Tanks: Why Do They Do So Much Damage? | League of Legends" and you will get your anwser. In the short there was added soooo much anti-tank stuff and champions and so little rewards that it is simply not worth it.

If only there was a video from some content creator that raises and explains this topic! If only... A man can dream, right?

@@jeluenhayo2410 I can only wish

Happy early birthday!

Ty! Keep up your videos 💙

You mean krakenslayer?

@Arthur then Play vayne kogmaw Lulu and See how fast you can kill him

@Arthur ​ But as Vars mentions in the video tanks are meant to be strong mid-game. They start off weak with no armour, magic resist or health, then at around 2 items (mid-game) they possess more relative power than a 2 item adc + support. Despite in your anecdote you still killed the cho'gath meaning you won the fight, just that it took 8 seconds not 1-2 that you perceived your 3 kill lead made you believe you should achieve. What Vars states is that tank items have diminishing returns, such that with each successive tank item purchased the relative power increase is much less than an adc item purchase. Thus in late game you will shred/kite the tank. But i digress, i agree there should be counter-tank items but i would also like for there to be more niche tank items like in previous seasons like adaptive helm for dps mages or more unique actives in the mythic's rather than all 3 having sunfire passive + small extra effect. Less damage more utility is what i want.

@Arthur uhhhh yeah that's a fed cho'gath for you he heals MASSIVELY from his ult... wut does that have to do with ornn with 0 self healing? lol also thats your problem right there dude you don't build ONLY % armor pen vs tanks you build mostly lethality and THEN either lord doms/serylda's

@i am the n I guess if you get the kill its the bonus health plus the passive healing around 200+, not counting omnivamp runes

I mean to be fair most of the missing text items for passive is new shit added after his release. but yeah the bugs with his E's hitbox needs to be fixed it actually gets him killed.

To this day, his tooltip mistakenly says the Force of Nature has health regeneration on it. Which it hasn't had in quite a while.

Trynda w krakenslayer laughing Riven w black cleaver laughing Nasus w divine sundered laughing

i swear man, all the time, last game i played new lillia, i had like 4k health, riftmaker, demonic, cosmic, zhonyas, spirit visage later sold into thornmail, i was still getting oneshot by everything, sometimes it feels like either i gotta go full damage build, because on tank, bruiser or full ap build i am still getting oneshot on all cases, so at that point one shot them with a Q and burn them to death and then die, like, what's the point.

Both armor and magic pen nowadays is nuts to the point where they often feel like the best buys against both tanks and squishies. Can't remember the last time I've opted for rabadons over void staff or at least its penetration component.

But isn't it a bit counterintuitive to bring Ornn as support if he's going to level up even slower?

Osiris yeah that's why you shouldn't do it.

@@infinitydesu slower yes, goal is to get 13 ASAP but once you get your team ahead it becomes easier.

Kleptomancy

You have first strike now, maybe try again. XD.

This, tanks aren’t tanks, with all the max Heath % and true dmg running around (looking at you Viego and Gwen), tanks can’t do their job, they can’t tank anything without Viego going w auto q auto (full conq procs with that one little combo btw) and absolutely shredding them before they can do anything. Idk how to fix it either, they can’t just go and buff armor+mr numbers on every item, but at the same time that might be the only way to make them fun to play and legitimately viable. Rn if you want to be a big bulky champion you might as well just play sett, morde, or another juggernaut that can dish the damage back instead of a tank.

Tanks aren't played becouse you play solo q It's a free for all and they require a team They have a very hard time winning 1v1s (they aren't ment to do so) and since 1v1s and 2v2s are THE solo q environment that makes them repulsive to a lot of players

Tahm after his rework is awesome. Probably the only playable tank nowadays. But that's because he is overtuned. He can punishes and outsustains and outtrades any juggernaut or skirmisher in lane. And that's just by hitting his Q and AA'ing. Which is ironic,, since Ornn and other tanks are just too telegraphed. Like what's the point of playing a tank when you're as squishy as any other champion, can't splitpush well and your damage although a lot higher than back in the day, is still low? It doesn't feel like you're playing a tank when an Irelia can just quickly go in, do a few AA's, dash out and win the trade?

@@jakubekch.3621 Even in proplay which is a team game tanks are rarely played execpt in the support position, It's mostly bruisers and skirmiches top/mid and jungle

@@Envojus Tanks just aren’t an enjoyable class anymore, if you want individual power, if you want the ability to win the game to be in YOUR control, not your teammates, playing a tank is just about the worst thing you can do. Even when in an organized comp, unless the friend you are playing with is a really good damage carry (be it an assassin, bruiser or adc) being a tank is just not worth it. In a game with an atmosphere as competitive as league, being able to 1v9 grows more and more important, this is why champs like Kayn, Kha’Zix, Evelynn become more popular in the jungle, with nunu, zac and j4 all being sidelined. The same applies to top and support, people will choose Irelia and Pyke a million times before they choose Ornn or Alistar.

well for Sett if you got hit by his true damage most of the time you deserved it since his W isnt exactly difficult to dodge, most people just dont bother walking the 5 feet to the side it would take to only get hit with physical damage for some odd reason.

The clap Ornn....The clap.

W auto goes BUM

Nice idea imo

funny then that darius is one of his best matchups XD

@@imminotaur400 I mean darius builds cleaver second to third item and by than the laning phase is over, so ye

Im not really familiar with top lane I just needed an example that has armor pen. Probably should have used vayne or something like that. XD

@@dapu8033 in defence of vayne at least she is meant to be a tank buster.

it's because tanks can also oneshot now. the damage in the game is completely out of hand, tanks should be tanky and adcs/carry champs (azir, ryze, cass) should be the ones dishing out high dps. we're literally in league of oneshots right now and it's disgusting and boring

I do take pride in my music choices XD

Well I'm glad you take this extra step. Music can be an integral part of setting the mood or helping people remember the video more. Like the I'll remember the over powered abilities video more because I remember how well the music went with the tone and pacing of the videos themeing and topics.

Ornn can't have a shield with that bs passive

@@ghostmaker4283 oRnN cAnT hAvE a ShIeLd wItH tHaT bS pAsSiVe

Cause he s not a popular champion, funny hahaahahaha isnt it both funny and sad how lux gets a skin a year while other champs dont get one in 3 years, he s just not popular AND MONEY SELLS, league is a free game so riot wants money, that s it. And why would they put their resources into an ornn skin when they can just make another lux one and get 5 times the profit.

1. Monster man/Non human champ. Riot said that that monster/non human/beastmen champs aren’t popular so they don’t prioritize skins on them. 2. Not a pretty boi/Bishounen champ. Ornn is a burly goat god of fire and the hearth. He’s No sett, Ezreal, Yasuo, Yone. 3. Not a waifu champ. Ahri, Lux, MF, Samira, kaisa and senna are getting skins every other patch or so. Yet kaisa who came out a few months after ornn gets skins near instantly.

@@espio329 you just sent me down the weirdest fuckin rabbit hole googling bishounen, god damn you

@@espio329 2 hours of my life reading about kpop idols i'll never get back

I don't think he really qualifies as a monster champ. He's just a dwarf with horns really

@@bevvvy1374 Well, still more monstrous than anything that came after him.

I think he is broken. Every time i play him (especially clash) I have most damage, cc and take the most damage. I also can make my teammates stronger.

@@Eldex0 or is just in a perfect timing that enemoes are bad.

@@howepellin every game? Nah that champ is damn strong

@@Eldex0 really? Cuz Tanks in my server can just easily be melted by crits and lethality even Ornm.

@@howepellin Well i ban Vayne or fiora every game, but Ornn does not get melted if you play it right. Unfortunately Ornn relys on his team and yeah thats the aprt were i always fail

I did. I literally had a segment where I talked about him having the best two item powerspike in existence.

They changed the possibility of a second upgraded item for the 4% increase of defensive stats per ally upgrade.

and max health dmg as well with eclipse/sunderer/liandrys etc

He isnt played much but yes he is very good

Sion and Cho beg to differ

Morde passive Go brr, morde ult go more brr

Typical situation where you perma CC two enemies and your team does nothing.

@@infinitydesu Usually busier staying back because they lost 1 hp or something.

Additionally, I played a game the other day with 100k dmg negated (most in game), 40k dmg taken (most on game), 3 deaths (least in game), and 30k dmg dealt (5th most overall)

Well... no, Ornn has a powerful all in especially at level 6 due to being able to get up to 3 brittle procs. But he's still about Q and W punishes in lane, and he can't be played like an assassin because he's only viable with tank builds, his playstyle beyond landing is just about "all-in" combos, as it always has been.