What Happened to the Ancient Egyptian Language? 

I feel like misr probably came from the Hebrew name for Egypt of mitsraim of the land of the straits

9:44 but KhAnubis I have an exam on thursday!

@@chimera9818 from Akkadian "mi-iṣ-ru" ("miṣru")

you really think the ancient egyptians who made the greatest most influential empire in the world would completely lose their language that's very disrespectful they are the Somali and Afar tribe languages today not coptic

ancient egyptians are not copitcs ancestors they greco roman fayum hyksos

Because of greek rulers

Nope it's Greek alphabet

But the language id descendant from egyptian ​@@ahmedelkhwaga2751

Kamen rider fan?

@@KavaskiMedia Yes?

Actually most Assyrians today live in Iraq

@@BrandonBDN Assyrians ain't arameans

يا جدعان كلنا عم بنتكلم اللغه العربيه بس كلن عندو لهقه بتختلف عن غيرو... How good is my egyptian?😉 I am not from egypt, if I wrote in arabic, you would detect me 99% of the time

But today's Egyptians are not related to ancient Egyptians

@@trueordrue They have a lot of turkish DNA, they were occupied by mamluks and later the ottoman turks. Despite the fact they speak arabic, modern persians are genetically closer to modern peninsular arabs than modern egyptians

@@trueordrue National Geographic did a genetic survey and found that modern Egyptians are genetically 69% indigenous to Egypt

@@trueordrueincorrect.

Every country has thousands of years of history, every person living today is an ancestors of someone from an older civilization.

​@@BlueHawkPictures17Not to mention everybody's ancestry gets more and more diverse the further back you go following the different strands.

Less diverse. Especially if you are not from Africa. You are in effect, a small derivative of a section of a gêne pool. Worse if you're descended from royalty.​@@spicysealion-et8kf

@@BlueHawkPictures17 But a lot of places don't have that much *recorded* history.

​@BlueHawkPictures17 you Israeli what you talking about 😂

And the Anubis at the right end is just for decoration?

@@fenrirgg Good question! That's something called a determinitive - basically, since a lot of Egyptian words were similar phonetically (and because there were no spaces between words), Hieroglyphic spellings would often include a symbol at the end of the word which would not be pronounced but would make it easier to interpret the word - for example, names would usually end with a glyph of a man or a woman, to show that they were referring to a person, place names would often end with either a land glyph or a "foreign land" glyph, etc. There was a generic god determinative, but many gods had their own unique determinitive just for them; the little Anubis glyph is one of those cases.

@@SomasAcademy wo, cool!

He used a mix of the modern and the old pronunciation. In modern greek we would say (kini) in the attic alphabet it was pronounced koine and he pronounced it kine

@@Basil_o_brouzos I thought so but wasn't 100% sure since my knowledge of Greek isn't strong, so thank you.

I didn't really give myself much time with this one, but I will take the ل and admit that was a massive shortcoming of this video

@@KhAnubis it's honestly a big enough topic that you could give it its own video in the future, I think it's very important because I hate the narrative that comes with most videos where Egyptian identity just randomly "dies" and is replaced wholesale with an "Arabic identity", I think it really robs the Egyptions from being able to talk about cool things related to their culture and supports the weird eruocentric claim that Arabs somehow colonized Egypt and "wiped" it from existance when Egypt and Egyption culture were still there the entire time!

​@@KhAnubis Why are you taking the lamb 😂😂

​@@Abd121 Westerners don't care about these things at all. They always say that North African ( and even previously Andalusia) countries are Arab. Unfortunately, they are ignorant of many things and have wrong ideas.

​@@Abd121yeah like we litterly still celebrate an ancient egyptian holiday called (sham el nassim) coptic (tshom nisime)

L take

Kumat.

Oh, that's very interesting and enlightening.

Really? I see the oldest reconstruction as K'met.

@@ANTSEMUT1 From what I have researched, Kumat is from Old Egyptian, apparently even older than K'met.

@@YuutaShinjou113 me when I lie, old Egyptian has only had two vowels short e and long e.

@@ANTSEMUT1 That can and will be true too. the Egyptian language had many dialects and/or accents we never heard.

you really think the ancient egyptians who made the greatest most influential empire in the world would completely lose their language that's very disrespectful they are the Somali and Afar tribe languages today not coptic

And the Coptics who convert to Islam too. Many were made to disappear.

Real, every Arab needs to be removed back to Arabia. Egypt for Egyptians!

They are completely free and living equally as us the Muslims of Egypt, stop spreading western propaganda and hate, do you know the richest Egyptian family, the Saweeras family, are Christians? There is literally no difference between Muslims and Christians in treatment, we attend the same schools, use the same hospitals, live in the same areas, attend each others weddings in churches or mosques, I have many Christian friends, have had Christians teachers in school, and currently have Christian professors in college, to be honest, both the Muslims and Christians of Egypt are suffering under the dictatorial regime in Egypt and our collapsing economy, many Muslims and Christians unfortunately live in poverty.

+ both Muslim and Christian Egyptians are Copts because Copt just means Egyptian

@@manetho5134it means Egyptian in Greek, obviously referring to the Christian Egyptians as there liturgical language, Coptic, is heavily influenced by Greek.

In 10000 years, if we don't destroy ourselves, all the languages, religions and nations that are around today won't be by then. Just by shear tiny changes that accumulate generation after generation.

The language will go into obscurity because those arabs are not the real Egyptians.

Way ahead of you! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GxItdn6QD0U.html

They're based off cuneiform, not hieroglyphics.

​@@Merle1987😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Egyptians invented writing where it predates Sumerian clay hits by 640 years.

​@@ASMM1981EGYGenerally, cuneiform as a script is accepted to be older. Something resembling hieroglyphs existed before then, but did not yet constitute a writing system. Sumerians came up with that first. However, most modern scripts are indeed derived from Egyptian hieroglyphs (throug Phoenician).

​@@ASMM1981EGY Source?

أم الدنيا

Bcs of ur dirty labguage, coptic is gone

I kinda think that hieratic needed to exchange hieroglyphs, and to be used as new way of writing, but some people decided to use it just for some rituals and inside closed society, so idea of hieratic as new way of writing failed.

@@miloscarapic4502 When we describe it as "simple" relative to hieroglyphs, we mean in the sense of the symbols themselves being simpler in design - you don't need to put as much effort into drawing all the little details. The actual complexity of the script was the same as Hieroglyphs, and it would have been just as difficult to learn. It never really had the chance of becoming a popularly used script, and was most likely never imagined that way, so it wasn't a "failure" - it was just an alternative script to be used by the same people who had the time to learn Hieroglyphs (priests, scholars, artisans, etc., not everyday people)

@@SomasAcademy That was just my way of thinking about hieratic, i don't say i know much about it.

demotic would be the closest script to the egyptian language because coptic is mostly in greek script.

Incidentally, Demotic was frequently called "cursive Egyptian" by early Egyptologists! The Egyptian scripts were not actually logographic, though, they were primarily phonetic with some logographic elements - i.e. they had symbols for every sound and some symbols that represented several sounds, but also a few symbols that would represent entire words, and some symbols that would be included in otherwise phonetic spellings to help with interpreting the word (called determinatives).

The Ancient Egyptian pagan did died though. Nowadays its practiced by non-Egyptians as a neo-pagan religion.

@@MrAllmightyCornholioz yeah they call it Kemetism, we hope these African-Americans practicing it don't pull up an Israel on us and start claiming Egypt as their own

That's simply false, Aboriginal Australians follow their culture since at least 45,000 years and according to Jitka Soukopova in her work of "Tassili Paintings: Ancient roots of current African beliefs?" "[o]ne of the main characteristics of African culture in general is its conservatism"

​@@ryjitarose5590 He's words are actually correct, your aboriginal Australians claim at the furthest tip of humanity is just a unique exception and a matter of time, Australian is an English-speaking, demographically Chinese-dominated country now if you don't live with us on planet earth.

@@ASMM1981EGY Look at the Shilluk people, they follow customs very similar to ancient Egyptian ones meaning they are seveal millenia old. They believe the soul of the Reth (king, which sounds very similar to Ra, the God of Kingship) goes into the Nile until a new Reth has been selected for the soul of the first king to inherit and they put the body of a late king into cow hide just like the ancient Egyptians. Also, Aboriginal Australians aren't a monolith, they have very different cultures and aren't all the same people

It’s a general name in Semitic languages for Egypt/kmt.

The Hebrew word for Egyp is Miṣrayim/Mitsrayim/Mizrayim. like the other said, the general name in Semitic languages

As in Mizraim son of Ham grandson of Noah

We sure do! Given the sheer number of pyramids and temples, the Sudan might prove to be a very important place to go to learn more about how the language was used and spoken, if not simply for the sheer volume of examples.

Hopefully the Nubian language dosen't go extinct in Sudan

Great

Probably not, the Arabic Script gradually evolved from a few precursor scripts, and only reached its modern form after Hieratic had long since fallen out of use! The similar looks are probably mostly coincidental, with the similar writing mediums used for both also potentially contributing.

@@SomasAcademy Interesting! Thank you for responding. What about demotic having an influence? Same coincidence as hieratic?

@@brianfox771 Yeah same situation, Demotic fell out of use quite a while before the Arabic script as we know it developed.

The common theory is, the hieratic script was adopted by Sinai Arabs, who would later make their own sinatic script and influence the scripts of the Canaanites Nabateans and Phoenicians. The reason why the Egyptian script influenced most of the western world's scripts is because the Phoenician script was adopted by archaic Greeks and from Greek we have Latin and from Latin all Western languages, which were spread globally in the age of colonialism. And the reason it did for most Semitic scripts is because the Sinai Arabs spread their proto-sinatic script to nearby peoples that were the ancestors of the Hegaz Arabs and Hebrews.

@@ahmedanubis It wasn't Hieratic they adopted, but Hieroglyphs, which were adapted into the Proto-Sinaitic script. And the people that developed Proto-Sinaitic are not generally believed to have been Arabs, but West-Semitic speakers from Canaan.

its in classical arabic.

Arabic dialects are only written in texts/comments and in food menus

Because its not That a surah from the Qur"An

​@@tarumtrue2834No? Not a surah. Look closer. It's just info about a historical person with islamic phrases

Basically, Hieroglyphs were adapted into the Proto-Sinaitic script, which then evolved into the Phoenician script, which evolved into the Aramaic script. The Brahmi script is generally believed to have been adapted from the Aramaic script (though alternative hypotheses also exist!), and Devanagari and the Thai script both ultimately descend from the Brahmi script. If you'd like to learn more, I have a video on my channel called The Origins of the Alphabet about the evolution of Hieroglyphs into the Alphabet we're using now through a similar chain of evolution!

From the ancient egyptian word mdjr

The only reason most Arabs understand Egyptian in the first place is because Egypt had the arab hollywood if you will, and prior to that, having a blend of Hegazi x Yemeni arabic and region specific coptic meant that most foreigners wouldn't understand it until relatively recently.

No one has it as their native language

Yes! There are more and more Egyptians doing so. I have Egyptian friends of both Christian and Muslim background who speak it and I am learning myself, at an intermediate level now. Join the movement! :D

@@Honest_Question Didn't stop Hebrew from being revived ^^

I'm pretty sure there are still some copts being raised with it as a native language, though bilingual with Arabic if in Egypt or a language like English if diaspora. I guess the issue is that with everyone being bilingual in a more commonly spoken language there is not a significant need to actually speak in Coptic. Though I think there should be a slowly growing interest in the Coptic language from outside the Coptic ethno-religious community with the proliferation of the Coptic American churches, which bridges the gap between the ethno-religious Coptic community and the wider American one.

@@danshakuimothere is none. There are those that know it fluently but they learn it alongside arabic. Proficiency levels vary as well.

Thats because sinai isnt Egypt proper and wasnt inhabited by copts. Even on roman maps sinai was a separate province. So back then it wouldn't be considered Egypt.

@@shenuda yes i said modern egypt but sinai was inhabited by some coptic monks later on

@@jaif7327 no. Saint Catherine monastery in Sinai is run by Greeks not copts

@@shenuda i thought they were native egyptians just following the council of chalcedon, damn

@@shenuda i thought they were native egyptians just following the council of chalcedon, damn

Pan Arabists.

@@anthropos_94 yeah typical of colonial powers trying to belittle the countries they've invaded. Humans kind of suck in that way.

Man I hate the Arab conquests so much like actually

They're invaders twisting history and facts. Muslim Egyptians = Arabs

Seriously just who told you that???? Have you ever had history class in Egypt?

Actually yeah they did that sort of stuff all the time

nofri shai

​@@blade7506 Ⲛⲟϥⲣⲓ

Arabic Misr comes from Hebrew Mitzraim. As you can see it's a plural word, referring to both the Upper and Lower Egypt - ancient Hebrews had intimate contact with Egyptians and picked up from them the idea that it was really 2 different countries: the lower one, at the Nile's delta and surrounding areas, and the upper one,today's southern Egypt and northern Sudan. There were ecological differences between the 2, and speakers of Egyptian from south had some trouble communicating with folks in the torth and viceversa

We don’t actually know how kmt was pronounced, it’s just standard practice in Egyptology to put an e where the vowels are otherwise unknown. It may have been Kemet, Kamit, Kimat, Kamet, Kemat or all else more with any other vowels you can think of. Until we get something closer to a demotic or earlier Coptic style inscription giving us the vowels, we have no way to know for sure

amazing they had the same affixes as modern english

Egypt was called Egypt by the Greeks well before they occupied it. Kmt was the endonym tho. The religion was likely not called Kemetism since pagan religions were rarely named, especially by insiders. If anything it would be named by outsiders like the greeks as part of some Egyptian/Ra pantheon

That is not true at all. Kmt was AN endonym; not THE endonym. In fact egypt had a more common endonym, deshret, and a locally used exonym, misiru (which was used by the near East and carried on to hebrew and arabic and eventually modern egypt) and the Egyptians didn't call their religion anything, neither did any ancient civilization

Your story will be false anyway...

The Berber languages of North Africa are more closely related. Egyptian and the Berber languages belong to the Hamitic branch of Afroastiatic.

@@elimalinsky7069 Ancient Egyptian belongs to the Afro-Asiatic language family, and semitic languages are a sub-branch of the Afro-Asiatic language family and include languages such as Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic. Ancient Egyptian and the Semitic languages share certain linguistic features and vocabulary due to historical interactions and influences between speakers of these languages , Berber is a Hamitic language but both Semitic and Hamitic branches of languages are part of the AfroAsiatic family.

@@Iamfsaly Indeed. The other branches are Cushitic, Chadic and Omotic. These are more divergent from Hamito-Semitic though, which are more immediately related to each other.

What a re**rded comment, Romans are to blame + people practiced their culture under islamic rule

You're just irrationally hating on islam, I don't know who hurt you but the hate is crazy

@@Dense_Osmium Where did I mention Islam?

Someone doesn't know what colonialism is lmao!

@@user-ft9jn5tw1u And that's you apparently. Colonialism: the policy or practice of acquiring full or partial political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, and exploiting it economically. Arab Caliphates totally did that with Egypt and other conquered territories.... what, you though Europeans invented Colonialism in the 1500s? Come on man, you can do better. P.S: Don't take this as an attack to Arabs, this is just history, it is the same as saying that native languages in the Americas disappeared because of European Colonialism, it is just an historical fact.

Egyptian culture wasn't wiped out it Christianized and later Islamized, that is an ignorant statement... Muslims allowed Zoroastrians to practice acts such as Mother Marriage, they allowed Hindus to worship all their Gods and maintain their rituals, both are non-Abrahamic faiths. Islamic law is clear, Non-Muslims under Islamic rule are ahl al dthima (the people of protection, i.e. protected class) They get to rule their communities by their book and common law as long as they pay the Jyzia tax of 1.75% of their yearly income to the state. The prophet said "Whoever harms a dhimmi will not smell the scent of heaven" and he said that he would defend the dhimmi on the day of judgement in front of God... So yet another hilariously ignorant statement. The Egyptian language was not long dead 😂😂😂You had 7 MILLION Military aged males(based on the Jyzia tax population estimate) speaking Coptic when Arabs conquered Egypt, the vast majority were farmers and the vast majority didn't speak Greek or Latin.... a third ignorant statement, come on you can't be this dense.... But if you are sincere I would recommend you look up a lecture on YT by Fawzeya Haykal called Egyptian Cultural Continuity to see how wrong you are and maybe you learn a thing or two about how Christianization and Islamization impacted Egyptians.

"Arab colonialism" 😂😂😂

@@pakilla4578 Yes they colonized during the Islamic expansion. Do you dispute this as fact?

​@@pakilla4578 if the west colonises and loots the world then those arabs destroy it the arabs are worse actually whoever they conquered they destroyed its original culture and took took their identtity to make them arab

@@CharlesIsMyName yes

@@pakilla4578 Well I would recommend that you educate yourself on the early muslim expansion outside and inside arabia and how muslims forced the religion customs, culture and language on those they conquered.

Roman Empire destroyed our ancient Egyptian temple schools before Arabs did

Blame Romans and Persia first what a stupid comment

The middle east has always been indigenous Arabic except north Africa and Persia

​@@ASMM1981EGYbut your culutre didnnt finish you atleast had your language but after arab invasion your most of the language changed script changed you dont know any of your great ruler or dont care even if you do know nor are you the worlds strongest empire now with islam , so leave islam and let egypt become the great nation it was before the arab invasion and roman invasion

@@In10sed-ye4tm wtf are u talking about 💀How would leaving islam turn egypt into ancient egypt 💀the main issues affecting egypt right now are the nile water crisis, and more importantly the military dictatorship that overthrew the singular democratically elected president in morsi (2013), before whom we also had a military dictatorship ruled by mubarak. Explain how exactly you think athiesm would help people in permanently overthrowing the deep rooted military dictatorship

Well that’s incorrect.

🤣🤣🤣 The Quran literally says that Pharaoh's people blindly followed him even when he deified himself!

Do you smoke hashish? What are you saying? You have no idea about history

"extreme Islamic force" 😂 What the hell does that mean? according to you, lands are conquered by giving flowers to the enemy army? Go and study history first then come and talk, because Islam has not destroyed anything

@@JackGroon All mythological so-called religions are abominable, particularly Catholicism during the Middle Ages and Islam today. ISIS obliterated Assyrian ruins in Nimrud (Kalhu) and Assur. My entire life dwelled on history, only now my interest switched to the ancient Near East, which has been unfortunately occupied by horrible Muslim creatures, all of whom are exceedingly dangerous. (They celebrated 9/11 in the so-called "Arab Streets0." Whatever happened to the neutron bombs?

The Arab are the ones who created modern Coptic

Nope the arabs destroyed it​@@EEM_4

Languages have always gone extinct when other groups arrive with their dominant language

Egyptians gradually mass adopted Arabic over 500 years for multiple factors, including religion, trade, class climbing, the Chruch adopting Arabic under Fatimid rule etc... but if that helps you sleep at night I guess.

@@ahmedanubis church used coptic

Give me an Egyptian scientist more important than Al-Hasan Ibn Al-Haytham, the first founder of the scientific method and the father of optics. The Persians and Greeks were the ones who destroyed the Egyptian civilization. The Arabs and Muslims took the province of Egypt from the Roman oppressor

What about Persian, Greek, Roman and byzantine colonisation prior? Or is it because they are "based european" civilizations that fought Islam?

Greek and Roman colonization broke them and Arab conquest gave them something else that returned it , cope European

@@retf8977Persian mostly gave to do what they wanted , Greek and Roman’s basically stomped their culture, the easiness it was for them to change culture and religion came from 1000 years of European control

@@retf8977 Persia isn't based European first and Arabs colonized Egypt and north Africa for past one and half millennia and forced them to arabify (Tarib) It's quite different