What happens if you UPGRADE M1 Max MacBook Pro to M2 Max?

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Oh boy, this is a big one. The new M2 Max MacBook Pro is here and based on my testing it's a surprisingly capable machine with noticeable improvements over the previous generation! But what if you have an M1 Pro MacBook Pro and you want to upgrade? Can you simply swap out the logic board for one equipped with M2 Pro or M2 Max? Today we're going to answer that questions that not one single person has asked! What happens if you try to upgrade an M1 Max MacBook Pro to an M2 Max MacBook Pro: Today we will find out!
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0:00 Today’s experiment
2:54 Logic board comparison
4:21 MacBook Disassembly
6:41 Installing M2 Max in M1 MacBook Pro
8:37 Does it work?!?!?
12:10 Conclusions and Lessons
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@kyleboss Год назад

4:14 “ where else on RU-vid or you gonna watch someone risk $8000 of laptops for a video” 😅 this is why Luke is the best!!

@harveysmith4424 Год назад

eh he has familiarity with repairing devices, as someone else with plenty of repair experience. He isn't really risking much. anything you need to watch out for can be found in the iFixit teardown.

@marcel9568 Год назад

He usually returns the MacBooks to the Apple store.

@miscl_anon Год назад

ltt, maybe mkbhd, but i think that's about it

@teox85 Год назад

There are litterally 0 risks, just remount like it was before…it’s just flexing the money…

@marcel9568 Год назад

@Teox85 You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. From esd risks to bent flat cables etc etc.

@walpoleandworcester Год назад

I’d love to see more experiments like this especially swapping out bodies and components on other Macs to see what happens.

@spych102 Год назад

He also comes at it from an enthusiast point of view, just tinkering around, dropping stuff and reacting dramatically to dropping stuff.

@UserUser-ww2nj Год назад

@@spych102 " reacting dramatically " sounds about right

@clivejohnson9515 Год назад

why?? anyone with half a modicum of common-sense, they would realise that if Apple wanted to make logic boards interchangeable, they would have!🙄

@LeonZaneFigueira Год назад

98% of it is hardware locked

@UserUser-ww2nj Год назад

@@LeonZaneFigueira sounds about right for an Apple product

@jonty1512 Год назад

I'd be interested to see if you can upgrade the MBP M2 Pro to a M2 Max. Lets say you have a liquid spill on your MBP M2 Pro and damage the logic board, it would be a worth while upgrade to be able to replace the damaged M2 Pro board with one from an M2 Max.That would be a cool video

@LeonZaneFigueira Год назад

the answer is no, I work at an apple repair centre this is impossible. and the reason why I know is because one of my collegues ordered the wrong part fit it in and the computer didn't even boot

@booklagecodwarrior Год назад

@@LeonZaneFigueira Oh wow, how is it like working at apple?

@Jan-xf8sk Год назад

Impossible. This one ALMOST went possible if not for the screaming fans (you lose fan control) and the aggressive parts pairing of keyboard (you lose TouchID), trackpad (haptics sometimes don't work), and the display losing TrueTone (ambient light sensor probably paired.) I don't mind the parts pairing but, unlike Google, Apple makes it hard for even a normal consumer to verify spare parts and the option to pair/unpair even their own Apple parts-to the point that they require you a second Mac with Apple Configurator. (Google provides an online site to unpair and pair spare parts, probably for verification-albeit that's for their Pixel phones.)

@Domziiee Год назад

The internals look very different like a different computer so no

@louismartini6983 Год назад

What a GREAT experiment. You hide your stress well. I was very impressed that you got the 2 computers back together with no screws left. They actually worked. Might be time for another review to see if they work at 100%.

@paulolteanu1609 Год назад

I remember doing this thing on my 2014 15" MBP where if you held control + option + shift + power button for 10 seconds, released all the keys except for the power button, and kept holding the power button for 10 seconds, it seemed like it "turned off" the SMC and the MacBook would boot with the fans full blast and without any battery readings, just like in the video.

@clebbington Год назад

would love to see a deeper dive into how to make these parts play nicer together - messing with system configurator, smbios, moving over lid sensor/touch id, etc etc

@stevenoconnor5693 Год назад

I gotta give it to you have some courage I appreciate all your videos

@UserUser-ww2nj Год назад

Not going to happen . Apple lockout evertything

@DNKI Год назад

Luke out here rolling with the shower thoughts and turning them into reality 😂 Still very cool it kinda worked, even if was scuffed and confused the hell out of the system

@mtunayucer Год назад

Nice to see you here Ken!

@PCMediK Год назад

The face when you dropped those trackpad bits!!! Priceless!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Slurkz Год назад

Stellar video! Thanks. 💜 Did I miss a camera test? Or is it in there?

@captcan78 Год назад

iFixit said during the teardown, that the lid angle sensor is also bound to the logic board. maybe if you also change the sensor, the fans might go back to normal

@davidbillberg2203 Год назад

I love this videos!! Thanks Luke.

@Shyne7886 Год назад

@Luke Miani the battery and fan issue is due to the Power control ACPI patches needed (just like in a hackintosh) if you patch it properly you will be able to use the Mac

@bwilesuk Год назад

You may enjoy getting an ND filter for your camera, or adjusting your settings to have your shutter speed double of your frame rate, things will look marvellous.

@KorekFrost Год назад

I have question, what exactly does it to the image to make it look better? As a beginner I’d really appreciate an answer.

@bwilesuk Год назад

@@KorekFrost Sure - so the eye is accustomed to seeing motion blur. If you google a comparison of shutter speeds you'll see that when Luke moves his hands, for example, you can pause the frame and it'll be perfectly crisp, no motion blur. Adjusting the shutter speed or adding an ND filter (to achieve the same effect) will mean it looks much more natural, even if you won't be able to articulate why.

@silicu5106 Год назад

@@bwilesuk Wow, cool to know! I had no idea.

@FLTech Год назад

@@bwilesuk how would a ND filter effect motion blur tho?

@Poepopdestoep Год назад

@@FLTech A ND filter alows you to let less light into the lens. So you can pull your shutterspeed down. The basic rule is twice the framerate, so 24/48, 25/50 etc. For the most movie like experience that is.

@clusterstage Год назад

0:57 maybe one day apple will sell logic boards as small as a flashdrive stick. We get to keep the laptop "shells" and swap whatever's inside.

@nachiopistachio Год назад

So glad you put the M2 Max disassembly as well at 6:47, couldn’t have lived without that!

@carper1220 Год назад

Very interesting. It seems that all of those issues you encountered (apart from the trackpad situation) are artificial software locks apple has put into the computers, similarly to what has been happening with iphones for a long time now. Apparently almost everything is code matched to the motherboard. Same thing might be happening to the fans. Although I suspect it has something to do with sensors, as with most laptops, if it doesn't know the speed of the fans, it will full throttle them.

@MXCN_El1011 Год назад

seeing as when luke unplugged the screen cable bit and it turned on, yeah it's 100% some software lock on the motherboard where it just isnt recognizing the other components and defaulting to full speed.

@dgpsf Год назад

Really predictable anticonsumer behavior from Apple. Imagine how many hours of dev time are wasted on each generation making it impossible to swap most parts. They even moved so aggressively against repair that many parts are serialized so that they won't work if transplanted from a donor device of the same identical model. Or the insane idea of putting the SSD controllers on the logic board, and only the memory chips themselves on the Mac Studio's removable cards, making it so that only Apple can upgrade the SSD, when normal nvme drives have existed for what, a decade? With zero benefit, Apple goes proprietary any way they can.

@jadamsnz Год назад

On older MacBook Pros when the battery is indicating service required and will only run when connected to power the fans run flat out (and the CPU is throttled) so maybe something similar to that is happening here.

@32ps Год назад

I was waiting for this!

@hwg315 Год назад

Could you get the fans to turn down manually through TG Pro? Also wondering what would happen if you brought it to Apple for a battery repair.

@davidnotonstinnett Год назад

This seems really similar to what intel iMacs do when you don’t have the heat sensor plugged into the display. Same thing here is probably going on, there’s an ID number that the Mac wants before it will boot properly. There’s a list the Mac expects to see and it tries to match all devices to that list. It’s like…a pretty low tech way to check but it also pretty hard to get around if you don’t have access to the boot loader. What is really interesting is that it boots at all. This implies that isn’t the board itself, just some specific part of the board that isn’t being read by the MacBook that it wants there. This heavily implies to me that if some opencore equivalent could be developed for Apple Silicon, then these hardware swapping issues could be gotten around. Which would be good for both upgradeability and repairability (we might get to a point where M1 chips and boards are hard to find so we may want to upgrade for that reason)

@kennyjayhardy Год назад

Love your work… please don’t stop!

@matthewgarber5517 Год назад

The fact that the battery worked but it’s metadata related to cycle count or basic communication about charge level couldn’t be read definitely sounds like a by product of secure boot/encryption pairings done at the factory. And when decryption failed the default UI tells you to bring in for service. I would have assumed the same for the fans defaulting to full blast. But given that TG Pro is able to accurately display temperatures using Apples provided APIs. I don’t get why the fans couldn’t do something similar.

@fidiak Год назад

Great video, great fun. Thanks

@carlosgriffiths7944 Год назад

Dr. Luke "Frankenstein" has resurfaced😂😂very interesting!!! Luke...'why would they do that?'... your too funny😂😂

@BLAISEDAHL96 Год назад

These kind of videos are awesome!

@shaozhufengster Год назад

WoW!!! nice work!

@letiziasparks2902 Год назад

Fun video! Luke how many macs do you have? Do you ever get nostalgic and just want to compute on a mbp 2015? Is it possible to use a juicy crumb logic board in an old unibody macbook pro and have it be a useful laptop?

@TheArchiisiom Год назад

Luke I hope you always do these

@richeser1982 Год назад

Reason why I follow u is because yr curiosity! Quality content as ever!

@jdmarlow1919 Год назад

I thoroughly enjoyed this video almost because it had very little practical use. Bravo on giving this a go. Nobody else would have dared try!

@klgjr5 Год назад

Yes, thanks for the info Luke.

@brandoncrabtree7273 Год назад

Bro you funny as hell for this! The hooray even with the fans blasting sent me 😂

@nathaliamilis2332 Год назад

Thank you so much for this video! I am about to replace my 2015 macbook pro, and I do heavy graphics. Should I go for: M1 MAX or M2 PRO? (both 32GB and 1T) in your opinion? Screen size is 16' as I need it. Thanks in advance!

@RsmgL Год назад

Hi Luke could you please tell me where can I find the wallpaper of the right MacBook Pro? Thanks!

@brandonl9286 Год назад

This isn’t a question that no one was asking. I was curious if a board swap was possible, now I know that it at least boots up. Thanks for giving us this information!

@kyleboss Год назад

Love this!!!

@flamingkillermc2806 Год назад

Iboff did a video, you can change the display on the M1 Pro’s but it will have weird squares on the top, and the only way is to solider on the compontes or apple. Reason why it seems like the display works fine is because you had a darker wallpaper

@garytimeless7251 Год назад

i really enjoy watching you changing things inside a MacBook. I am not brave enough to even open it up :D so thx for the insides 🙂

@noisetin Год назад

Can you upgrade just HDMI or bluetooth/wifi module?

@ishepard2 Год назад

This is the content I come here for. I started coming here years ago for the "refreshing an old macbook" content, rebuilt my own mid-2012 15 inch macbook pro (still alive and kicking on a new SSD as both a fun macbook and kali workstation).

@jdrtech1 Год назад

Awesome reaction for techies! 9:17

@ScottJWaldron Год назад

After seeing the iFixit video on this laptop I was wondering the same thing. 😄 Great job on the video!

@pccpwsv3760 Год назад

Going to assume since cpu is being identified as a different one than the smbios is telling the machine it is that it doesn’t know how to scale power management. You see this behavior on hackintosh too when wrong smbios is being used. You could try to force the new m2 smbios onto this machine.

@ShaneWasserman Год назад

I’d very much like to know if the main heat sinks are swappable as the M2 one is noticeably smaller than the M1 version. I’m curious if overall performance would be better with the old heat sink.

@thisisalanskiy Год назад

"Service Battery" could mean that the logic board doesn't know how to communicate with the controller in the battery. I've had the same issue with my MBP 2018. After a battery replacement it worked properly :)

@vicky63135 Год назад

Luke I have curious question like why laptop doesn't have I.P. certificate or any kind of water resistance? I think you should make video on that topic. Thank you.

@neimovirne_ 10 месяцев назад

I'm interested if keyboard/touch id/battery will work if u swap parts and reinstall mac os, maybe fresh install will configure hardware properly?

@djinnibiza Год назад

Thanks for the video, super fun like the real life of technician 😂

@danielriossuarez Год назад

Love your hw videos Luke.

@marcusd745 Год назад

Luke, after swapping the M2 board into the M1 machine you should try clearing the NVRAM/PRAM (is that still a thing?) or reinstalling MacOS to see if you can get it to ‘reset’ itself to possibly work out the fan and battery issue

@valdir7426 Год назад

to do this you just need to close it while turned off for like a minute

@Jan-xf8sk Год назад

Only possible on Intel Macs. The core MacOS itself for the Apple Silicon Macs is inside a SSV, you'll be having a hard time with it.

@valdir7426 Год назад

@@Jan-xf8sk there is an equivalent though and it is activated on laptop by just turning off the computer and closing the lid for a minute or so. it is documented and I dealt with trackpads problems this way.

@Epicgamer_Mac Год назад

What’s the wallpaper on the M1 Max machine? It looks super cool and reminds me of the Pro Display XDR. Where can I get that on my MacBook Pro (M2 Max)?

@LaurenceReeves Год назад

I thought the dude was going to be a lot more impressive and be one of those people that can remove the actual chip and swap it round lol, based on the thumbnail. Not just swap the motherboard...

@dennerhall1 Год назад

How about TG Pro? Can’t you just set its settings so it could control the fans as you please?

@hackthis02 Год назад

The battery issues are because they're doing the same thing they did with the iPhone where it has a serial number and if they don't match it doesn't work. It's this kind of anti-repair/anti-consumer policies that remind me why I've never owned an Apple device and probably won't in the future.

@Garrettdx1988 Год назад

The iStock pumpkin was a nice touch. Really added to the ambiance

@natjoe4763 Год назад

You should be able to fix that fan problem with macs fan control, I use it on mine. Loved the video!

@PetsoKamagaya Год назад

@9:57 awww my god Luke you got me laughing there so hard.... that is so me when I try do some work on an electronic device!!! I am so glad you included that in this video and I am happy to see that you are human after all.

@wandidabula2726 Год назад

Great experiment

@soupdancer17 Год назад

The quality of the content & risks taken for our behalf is AMAZING!!!

@josephoduor2358 Год назад

This is a video I did not expect to ever see. Just clicked out of curiosity.

@aubry980 Год назад

You also have to take into account that each part is ID'd with each laptop, even interchanging parts from the same model but different laptop has issues for the sole reason of apple making it like that.

@Eric-ix3rx Год назад

Can you get the logic board of an m2 MacBook Air or into a touch-bar 2019 macbook pro? I really miss the touch-bar

@wilmarquesdev Год назад

That was crazy!

@kirillkasyanov Год назад

and THAT what I call a REAL SHOW😄😄

@neoteslax6442 Год назад

Out of curiosity, would reinstalling the OS resolve the bugs post swapping the m1 max for an m2 max

@DaveFlash Год назад

you need to swap the touch id button, they're paired to the logic board, so ofc, it won't work, even for turning on the other logic board

@WayneLiu945 Год назад

For some reasons this is just extremely entertaining

@leocheung8542 Год назад

Can you swap the heatsink? I am curious from the tear down, they look the same and has a big copper cover for the silcon than the m2

@ericburgos Год назад

First line of this video made me HOWL with laugher, lol.

@NeverGiveUpYo Год назад

Pretty interesting video. I believe with some minor finetuning and adjustment you can actually make it work. Oh boy, how I want a Macbook to play around with..

@oliverpark6116 Год назад

Apple didn’t expect anyone to do this experiment

@noisetin Год назад

That LM shirt 😎 Nice touch 👌

@DmitrySF Год назад

I get a feeling that it would behave the same way if you would replace m2 parts with m2 parts from another laptop (because of identity chips).

@HazardDecoy Год назад

I love this channel.

@mhtweeter Год назад

you also need to swap the lid angle sensor btw

@fd3s7 Год назад

Can you do an SMC reset on the newer Apple Silicon MacBooks? Wonder if it needed an SMC reset to see the battery/shut up the fans.

@sergiowhy Год назад

you shuold put the macbook on dfu mode and reinstall SO so maybe your battery works and the fan behave normally.. also the trackpad maybe you change the flex it will work? there more staff you can try once you have done all these disassemble. Anyhow, good job.

@johnmckay1961 11 месяцев назад

I can see this being useful if you maybe have a maxxed out M1 Pro, and want the better screen/webcam etc of the M2 + don't want to have to set everything up again, buy the cheapest M2 model than transfer your maxxed out M1 logic board across. I wonder if it's something as simple as drivers (in terms of the battery/fans/etc)? Does Apple only install the drivers needed for the specific hardware, and could they be extracted and moved acrosss?

@rafaeltorovip Год назад

For you to risk all that money, you must know that for sure you are going to recuperate the invested money. Nice video Luke. 👍

@christianschmitz7488 Год назад

Wow, that is really cool.

@NicBam Год назад

9:56 Thank you! I have never laughed out loud with such a burst; I can't even recreate it if I wanted to. Thank you, I needed that. Maybe with the fans going like that, the performance would be AMAZING! When it comes to rendering and editing.

@Ju1yan Год назад

maybe they use different fans, with different voltage/amp curves or with a different rpm rating and the board gets back different speeds than expected at a specific setting/power curve and therefore just cranks the fans to max

@inwerp Год назад

Most likely fan problem is a result of mac not talking to the battery properly, either cable was loose or it has different pinout which is unlikely. If battery is plugged in and activated, mac will run from battery since power is provided but it will not show it is present or show X or 100% charged + service. Battery has a temp sensor and in absense of any sensor CPU will throttle + fan will be fixed at 100%. As for display it seems to be random, there are multiple reports of swap resulting in shadow or strange backlight artifacts.

@daneelliott6319 Год назад

What does it say in about this Mac? If it’s the m1 OEM hard drive it could have a system version mismatch you would need to fix like on a hackintosh. Eg: MacBookPro 18,2 vs MAC 14,10

@georgemalouf4298 Год назад

That’s incredible. After all the painstaking and risky tinkering, you uncovered some significant facts about the two models that Apple typically wouldn’t let us figure out.

@jadude119 Год назад

This was awesome haha 😂 nice!

@dennerhall1 Год назад

My heart was beating in my throat during this video LoL. Great stuff Luke, love when you do those crazy expensive experiments. This will be worth in the future I bet😄

@TheYesyouare Год назад

Wow, thanks for answering my question actually! Could you try it with the M1/M2 Pro also?

@jfmezei Год назад

Where your video missed: if your M2 is broken, because the SSDs are highly proprietary and encryption tied to the CPU, moving the motherboard to an M1 would allow you to boot it and recover the data from the SSD. On the fans and battery, both would be controlled by the SMC and for the battery, changing it likely zapped the battery performance info SMC uses to determina charge. Did you try SMC reset? (this coiuld at least fix the fans, though Apple has gotte quite propriteray about battery).

@lthomas63 Год назад

Very interesting!

@jimmyein888 Год назад

Can you solder NAND chip to those empty slots on the mother board to upgrade stroage?

@SabbraCadabra Год назад

I really missed tear down videos like this from you.

@nikolatesla7983 Год назад

This one remembers me films of people trying to fly around 1900...same vibe...., congats , pioneer.

@ritzh2908 Год назад

On acer you have a reset button to press when you changed battery to acknowledge the new loading status.

@chrismount3278 Год назад

What about after the swap doing a system restore and reinstall the OS?aybe this would take care of the fan and battery "issue"...

@DouglasHewitt Год назад

So when you had it swapped, did the system profiler / about this mac say "MacBook Pro 2021 M2 Max"? I'm curious how macOS recognizes the system since its clearly a system that doesn't exist at least in their database and how it handles that, I suppose it's like a hackintosh at that point. I wonder would that mismatch cause things like the fans and battery not be reported correctly?