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Mind if i ask you something? (don't take it personally). Why does Renault design cars that are less safer compared to the european ones for South America?

@@ShumanGore Mind if I ask you something? Why do people in South America pay 1/3 of the cost for their Renault models compared to what people in Europe pay for their Renault cars, but expect the same quality?

The new car didn't detect a crash. As the hazard lights would be flashing after a crash had been detected. I suspect the ignition was off.... just like the discovery they crashed into a espace

xmngr no worries, different markets have different levels of options; some countries value equipment over safety, some safety over equipment but in the case of South America it’s all to do with the cheapest price to market so that would be why your perception of Renault isn’t as good.

hv54wxt yes you are correct; the ignition was likely to be on, however safety systems including hazard lights and airbags wouldn’t be deployed without the gear lever in the Drive position. The pre-tensioners fire off a different velocity sensor so that’s why they activated.

Thx

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Paul Hawkins that is exactly what I was thinking

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Well, this is from 2004, don't think they could have traveled into the future and got a new car

Paul Hawkins the video was shot on 2004.

I found out from the bit where they talked about the "new " Ferrari 612 Scaglietti, which first launched in 2004. However, now I'm left curious. Is there any way for me to see the information from the number plate as someone outside the UK?

WhereverHugo try Wikipedia. It goes into great detail. Once you learn the post 2000 era it’s quite easy.

Still a write off.

@@johnbower7452 old cars are built a lot better i am talking about early 2000s to 2009 cars they were the best

@@box_cannot_car that and they were simpler

There's barely any Espaces to be seen on Britain's roads

@@jeff4362 I think there’s a bit of a stigma around them after Harold Shipman

And what happened with a old and a new dacia ? 😅😅😅

Lol 😂

You hate cars, and love to make kids.

I love le kids, so ici put them in a french le car.

I like the old espace, although it’s very rare in the uk (MK1 version)

Could have been worse, you could have had a Rover 100 or a Chrysler Voyager, they got 0 stars.

The older Espace was pre-NCAP. I owned two years ago, the 1st was the older shape on a N plate. At the time it was 8 years old. It turned out the bulkhead was so rotten that the clutch cable mounting plate had gone through it and there was a gapping hole in the bulkhead. Apparently water from the windscreen drains down the bulkhead and rots them and was a common issue. Watching that thing in the clip, I can understand why that front wheel went through into the cabin. We scrapped ours and lost a lot of money.

I almost had a Voyager... But I saw the crash test and just NOPED right out of the deal. Got an Espace III instead, served me well until got replaced... with an Espace IV, which was so greay, that I've had it until last year :D

Well that's what the entire idea of this orchestra was to do... To eliminate critical thinking on the matter. If it had happened at normal speed, there would be nothing to be concerned about. Slowing everything down and overly dramatising it, is what scars people mentally. I once fractured my skull, but I'm not traumatized by it, because it happened so quickly and unexpectedly. The same with almost having broken my arm. "I'm scaring you for your own good", is what an abuser or ignorant person says, so you can take it from me, that you can ignore that "advice", and drive whichever automobile you wish. I stupidly recorded this episode of 5th Gear years ago and fell for it. It took YEARS of deprogramming, to eventually clear the air and dismiss the mindset it was putting me in. Really quite evil.

​@@letsdiscussitoversometea8479What on earth are you on about, could you please translate this tirade into English???

Ah yes because all other 90's cars are designed from the ground up

What's "stupid" is falling for the "scare propaganda" this television orchestration scarred its viewers with. I did *at the time,* and it took literally YEARS, to get back out of it. This entire article, was evil.

​@@letsdiscussitoversometea8479What on earth are you on about, nothing you write makes any sense???

French Engineering

@@MinecraftPro97k yes they are boring

my Clio 1.2 16v was an oddball example made on a Friday afternoon and still managed 97mph and 0-60 in 14 secs

Tip... go to the last second of the vid.. watch last second and hit replay... no more ads

I wonder why you got so many when all I got was 2; one at the start and another at the end.

Use an Adblock! ABP for example

Don't use the RU-vid app. Use a browser with an ad blocker.

RU-vid Vanced 😉

Remember that this was a 2004 TV broadcast!

Mark Chippendale haha true that! I would still need to buy a new car 😅

Well you are wrong

They used to say that you combined both speeds to find the impact speed, that is obviously very wrong. So this is just two 35 mph impacts.

70 mph impacts are very, very different. The old car would have been completely destroyed, the new car would have been unrecognisable (but survivable)

@@davekennedy6315 Ah ok thanks that's what I thought originally

@@davekennedy6315 No, it wouldn't be unrecognizable. The damage on the new car would still not be severe, and it would be very survivable. It would just use the old car as a crumple zone. Go watch the Renault Laguna from 2001 crash into a CONCRETE WALL at 112 km/h (like 70 mph), the A-pillars don't even get damaged yet. These cars are incredibly strong. Basically, to the point where even if you crashed them into another car at like 120 mph, they passenger cell would still be structurally stable. In fact, there's videos on youtube too where people crash cars at 200 km/h into stationary parked vehicles, and you would be surprised how little damage the cars moving at 200 km/h have, less than in this video. That is so for the simple fact that the faster the new car is moving, the more energy it will smash the stationary car with, and more easily crumple it up. Cars don't stop suddenly in those crashes, the push the older lighter car away while also compressing them a lot, absorbing a lot of that energy.

Isn’t it the sound of red barrels exploding?

That sound is not originates from HL2. It used in many different games and movies.

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It's never about the cars's survivability, it's about driver survivability. In your example, Toyota did its job.

Photo's, or it didn't happen.

Nonsense, the modern car's much stiffer.

Up to 2003 the Renault Espace had the ladder chassis from the 1970's Matra Rancho (one of the first SUV's in Europe). The old one may have been from the mid 1990's but structurally it had more in common with a 1970's truck or a typical 1960's car. A 1970's Mercedes W114 would have probably faired better than the old Espace (though probably still lethal). To say this about 1990's cars in general is a big claim and it would have been a more fair comparison if they used a '90's Laguna and a 2004 one. Otherwise they could have used two Meganes but as they already stated the 1998 Megane had 4 stars so it wouldn't have the dramatic effect.

It's made off iron not steel

@@eugen92vl hope it`s not pig iron,,,,,,,,never sell any to a certain religious group,lol

The only problem with an old muscle car vs a new muscle car, is that both cars will be expensive, probably too expensive for the shows budget

I’ve got a MK2 Cavalier, it’s probably got about as much integrity as a crisp bag now, but I’d still take that risk everyday. I’ll never get rid of it

@@lastp6905 Do you still have your MK2 Vauxhall Cavalier 1981-1989 ... I had one many moons ago.. These old classic cars are true "Death traps" if you were to crash against a new car with stiffer body shells. I know I have an old Toyota Celica and it is probably as safe as a supermarket trolley in a serious crash.

cool story

Get a job.

It was filmed in 2000-2003 and it was on TV in 2004

it's normal for RU-vid channels of TV programmes (shows) / channels to upload videos of their older content

No, old cars are much softer, because they where not built for crash safety. New cars have very strong passenger compartment, and regardless of the crumple zones, it is much worse to crash into a new car than into an old car. With old cars, the whole car is a crumple zone, for the car that crashes into it.

You need to understand the difference between strength and rigidity. Old cars had some strength and basically no rigidity. So it took some energy to damage them, but once you did it, they would start crumbling like paper. New cars have a lot of strength and extreme rigidity. So even the parts designed to crumble are stronger than old cars were, whereas parts that are designed not to crumble, like the passenger cabin, are incredibly rigid, and basically would never be severely damaged in a crash against another car.

@@DashCamSerbia Old European cars are much softer. And 1995 isn't "old", I'd call it more like aged then actually old. Now 70s maybe 80s you can consider old but when people refer to tough cars its mostly the 70s and before because they were all steel framed cars with steel fender and steel anything they could make for the most part. In the 80s things really just turned to plastic and and sheet metal and quantity of quality. Now take a 1930 Plymouth sedan vs these pieces of junk or a 70s f150 250 or 350 and you'll really get to watch those new crumple zones work. But 80s-90s European and American were these plastic dinky cars that really didn't have much going for them.

​​​@@kyleranderson1948So your saying a 90 year old car is safer than a MK3 Espace? That 9mm round lodged in your prefrontal cortex is on the move again.

They once did a test with a 740 but removed the engine out of the volvo

​@@snhprojects2789No they didn't, stop making things up. Volvo would have sued them if that test was in anyway unrealistic or unrepeatable. Butt Hurt go home!!!

Old Volvo's aren't safe either

Stop the conspiracy phrasing, of course it will be different with two modern cars, but the occupants would still have a much better chance of surviving

I still drive a 1998 Car

2003 Vectra, 4 stars

Because it was filmed in 2004, genius.

@@AW_2000 good intel :)

Why destroy a good camera?

Yeah, if the driver has time to react

No, it wouldn't be as big of a difference. From 2004 to today, car safety didn't go up much. New cars are maybe 20-30 % more rigid than those in 2004. Whereas the difference between an Espace from 2004 and one from the 90's or 80's was like 200-300% less rigidity and strength. Passive safety didn't advance as much as active systems, prevention systems, etc.

Twat.

BeyerT1 completely missed the point there toots, the person is an idiot and your not much better confusing them.

@@derbigpr500 these days they have added systems to try and reduce crashes

No, the big jump in safety occurred in the early to mid 90's.

yeah until there's a drunk driver heading your way.

Tell this to the ass-clown coming the other way sho is drunk

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Especially that one shitty impact sound that's everywhere

Kenan Furcle I know right?

about 330kg

@@sssssneaker Yes. It totally overran the older one. This I believe had a huge impact on the results.

it should have been an old car and a modern car that weigh about the same

@@moist.teabag Can't. New cars a much heavier that old cars of the same class.

@@farvatron Literally irrelevant. The energy of the crash is what matters, and the total energy is combined and spread evenly to both cars. One is just much stronger and deals with that energy better, sustaining less damage. Even if you loaded up the old car with a ton of weight and made it much heavier than the new car, it would still do worse in a crash, because its body is much weaker. To give you an easy to understand analogy... you could have a balloon full of feathers that weighs more than a small ball of steel, but if you threw them into each other at the same speed, the steel ball would still penetrate the feathers and be undamaged.

Tell that to the other person in the other car as well 😁

It is a common misconseption thinking that heavier vehicle will deform less. During impact kinetic energy is divided in half for each vehicle.

@@NoName-md5zb But G-forces are higher in a lighter car. A heavier car crashing into a lighter car, the heavier car will stil continue to move forward a cetain distance after collision, while lighter car will stop at the spot, and then move in the opposite direction. Huge G-forces in a lighter car.

@@DashCamSerbia It doesn't matter, the difference in G-forces is very small here, both cars stop suddenly. In fact, if you account for the much higher level of deformation in the old car, it compensates for the lack of weight and still slows down more gently than if it was more rigid.

@@derbigpr500 I am not talking about these two cars. I am talking in general. And the difference, if it happens as I described, is huge.

The difference in mass and rigidity between the 2 vehicles is highly significant in this experiment, the new heavier vehicle as able to decelerate at a lower pace to zero as it hit a much softer object, therefore the g forces were much less in the new vehicle at point of impact due to the older car literally cushioning the blow. Invert this and you'll understand why the older car fared much worse in this experiment. Due to the differences in mass, momentum and the change of energy it's simpler to say the older car had a crash at 40mph and the new car at 30mph. Had the new car crashed into a solid brick wall instead of a fluffy old soccer mom car its damage would have been more significant, but less interesting television.

Yup, old cars aren't safe

2004 episode

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Please stop writing jibberish, it's unhelpful

They are this impact wasn’t bid enough to make the dummy hit the steering wheel if this was at 40 the airbags would of been very important

Impact speed was 70 but damage is same as 35 hitting stationary object. Thats physics

@@NoName-md5zb If it was just a normal crash test then yes, however BOTH vehicles were travelling at 35mph towards each other. You obviously weren't paying much attention in your physics lectures...

You should go back to elementary school and relearn physics. This is not a 70 mph crash.

@@pip5461 "You obviously weren't paying much attention in your physics lectures..." - How ironic. It's funny how the dumber someone is, the more confident they are in their lack of knowledge. Two cars hitting each other at 35 mph means they both went from 35 mph to 0, therefore, it's a 35 mph crash from the perspective of each car. In no way is it the same as a 70 mph crash, where a car would stop from 70 mph to 0 instantly. You're clearly mixing different concepts here, total energy of the crash with momentum, acceleration, etc. and should obviously relearn the very basics of physics, instead of telling someone else (who is right) to do so.

The car was in neutral. It doesnt deploy in neutral.

2004 British TV broadcast...

trslas aren’t the safest cars

Please respond in English next time sweetie, really helps.

Do you miss Richard The Hammond?

grabir01 you mean 56 twat!!! Assuming it a reference to IIHS 50th test.

@@fbboringstuff nah I think a toyota landcruiser which is pretty strong for a crash test

It would destroy a 1965 Impala

@@user-sf7kl9uh7k Failed Physics class apparently.

@@grabir01 No, common sense. You're literally brain dead if you think a 90 year old car's going to do well in a crash.

" i saw the “5 star” Laguna years ago flattened by a ford escort" - That's absolute horseshit. Don't lie. Renault Laguna II is still to this day one of the cars with the highest torsional rigidity and body shell strength of any car on the road. An escord is a tin can in comparison. A 2001 Mondeo was a tin-can compared to the 2001 Laguna that got 5 stars. You can literally watch videos on the Laguna on youtube hitting concrete walls at 110 km/h and getting away looking like it was a 50 km/h crash.