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What if the Cell Games were a normal tournament?
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By the end of the Cell Saga in Dragon Ball Z the two strongest characters are clearly Super Saiyan 2 Gohan and Super Perfect Cell. However, if we roll the clock back a bit to the time where Gohan didn’t have Super Saiyan 2 yet. The time when Goku and Gohan first exit the Time Chamber or when they first arrive at the Cell Games - we find a weird contention when it comes to who’s the stronger of the father-son duo. To be honest though, I’m not sure why.
So let’s make a change to the Cell Games. Instead of everyone versus Cell, the Tournament is instead a bracket system. The bracket is set up in a way that would allow Goku and Gohan to meet in the finals. The winner of the Tournament has the “honor” of fighting Cell for the fate of the Earth and its people. Now I don’t think there’s any contention that Gohan and Goku would be the strongest two in the bracket. Just in case there is, even as just a Super Saiyan, Gohan at full power shocked everyone present at the Cell Games and even had Vegeta basically questioning his entire existence. I don’t want to dive too deep into the power scaling there because I’ll be talking about Super Saiyan Gohan more in a little bit.
Back to the main topic, as I said before, there is contention on who would win if Super Saiyan Gohan and Super Saiyan Goku fought. No Super Saiyan 2 - just their mastery over the original Super Saiyan form and their own raw power. So let's look at the feats, the statements, and most importantly the narrative to find out who would win.
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@CarthusDojo 2 года назад

Leave a comment on who YOU think will win and why? Remember - NO Super Saiyan 2!

@SpammytheHedgehog 2 года назад

Son Gohan

@garysnyder6414 2 года назад

I believe it should end similar to kid goku vs Jackie Chung aka master Roshie.they are about the same as power level it should come down to ki use and techniques.

@DB-Fighter-Carson 2 года назад

So wait why are they fighting? Gohan mad at goku for parenting reasons?

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

@@garysnyder6414 same power level? Pffft

@Luro_fu 2 года назад

@@DB-Fighter-Carson well probably because cell is the referee of the cell games and the match is goku vs gohan Like U6 Tournament Arc

@SaladSaiyan 2 года назад

I missed the premiere. Shameful. Thanks for having me on!

@calebnj4694 2 года назад

Don't worry, you arrived at the perfect time.

@calvinkopp1735 2 года назад

You and Carthu need to collab at the very least once to satisfy us:)

@Sword_Man_YT 2 года назад

How could you Salad… lol

@sladewarrior5562 2 года назад

you sound different. I actually like it. :)

@emmanuelbrunson2152 2 года назад

Do a collaboration

@ChaddyFantome 2 года назад

I'm surprised people think Goku was just lying about not being able to beat Cell. Even in the anime, he has that moment where after he tells everyone he doesn't think he can beat him and they tell him maybe he should go back on the chamber, he instead spends the days leading up to the Cell Games just spending time with his family. Goku of all people. To me it made it pretty clear that Goku was making the most of what time they had left in the event that Gohan wasn't able to pull through on his plan because he knew he couldn't win.

@chiefbawor_thegr8966 2 года назад

I think they goes by the scene of Goku's Warp Kamehameha where it destroys a good chunk of Cell's body (before you know, the unnecessary Nucleus thing)

@Last_Respecter 2 года назад

Yeah he def was not lying. Cell detected towards the end of their fight that Goku wasn’t holding back anymore. The instant kamehameha was full power too. However, we know Cell was holding back Vs Goku still, he doesn’t power up fully till Gohan goes SSJ 2 Also rest and recovery is a major part of Goku’s training philosophy. He mentions that spending more time in the HTC won’t make him stronger anymore for now. It’s just unnecessary stress on the body after a certain point, teasing Vegeta when Vegeta says Goku is pussying out of more training 1-2 days before the cell games.

@esthetics4512 2 года назад

@@jarpo64 yep

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

@@jarpo64 do you honestly think Goku didn't want to beat Cell if he could? Goku hit a plateau, one he didn't believe he could break even with another year of painstaking training.

@jarpo64 2 года назад

@@priestesslucy3299 obviously not, i said he backed down because he knew gohan could go super saiyan 2

@123GOHANZ 2 года назад

I always thought it was obvious with how blatant the story was that Gohan in the Cell Saga was stronger than Goku even without SSJ2. He literally saw his dad fight at full power and Gohan was genuinely unimpressed by it because he was using himself as a reference

@michaelq4965 Год назад

This goes against all training logic in the DBZ universe. In order to get stronger, you have to struggle and push yourself. How can Gohan just naturally surpass Goku while only pushing himself at Goku's level in the time chamber? Some amount of natural potential sure, could explain Gohan being slightly stronger. But to be overwhelmingly stronger, nah it doesn't make sense unless Gohan did extra training without Goku which Gohan has really never ever done in his life.

@123GOHANZ Год назад

@@michaelq4965 It’s not just “some amount of natural potential” that Gohan possesses, it’s _a lot._ He’s a fighting prodigy that has been consistently stated to have far greater potential than other fighters with prodigal talent like Goku or Vegeta. Literally after being amped by God Ki, an energy source that drastically increases a users strength compared to ordinary ki, both of them and Piccolo acknowledge Gohan’s potential _still_ surpasses theirs. Like, I can not put into words how utterly broken it is especially now with what we’ve seen in Dragon Ball Super. And who’s to say he only pushed himself at Goku’s level? We know in the anime they sparred against each other, but at the same time we can see Gohan training all on his lonesome just so he could push himself harder. Then there’s the fact that the Hyperbolic Time Chamber is an extremely hostile place to point where it can be physically and mentally taxing just being there. All of this plus his natural talent makes it completely possible for him to be that far ahead.

@michaelq4965 Год назад

@@123GOHANZ Like Piccolo's comments in Super are almost purely fan service. It is a What If that will never happen just to make fans happy. I am not sure if you mean Goku and Vegeta said it. How do I know Gohan only pushed himself at Goku's level? Because even after the entire Cell arc Gohan still thinks Goku is stronger than he is. If Gohan was fighting at his best like you guys say, then he'd be pushing Goku and winning but for some reason he still thinks Goku is much stronger than he is. I'm not saying Gohan can't be stronger than Goku and win in the time chamber, but if the gap was that massive, Gohan would have had to pick up on it.

@123GOHANZ Год назад

@@michaelq4965 Piccolo’s statement would be fanservice if it wasn’t for the fact that Goku and Vegeta acknowledged it as well. Prior to the Tournament of Destroyers Vegeta suggested Gohan come along and outright says “Why not Gohan? Certainly you realize your son has the most latent ability of all the fighters we know.” To which Goku agrees with, however, he also states that Gohan’s retirement made him rusty making him unfit for the tournament so they opt to bring Piccolo instead. Remember, they made this statement _after_ training with Whis and learning to use God Ki. Their potential should’ve sky rocketed since then and yet they believe his potential still surpasses their own. I will admit it doesn’t make a little sense that he still thinks Goku is still stronger than himself but at the same time Carthu did point out that Gohan puts Goku on a pedestal. It’s to the point where even though Gohan gets to sense Goku’s power he still thinks his dad is holding back. We can argue whether or not he trained as hard, if not harder, than Goku but it doesn’t change the fact that he was just that far ahead but genuinely thought so highly of Goku that Gohan believed he was weaker.

@dreemurrprince 11 месяцев назад

@@michaelq4965Gohan DID pick up on it, but he was in denial. Goku’s half power showcase against korin BAFFLED gohan, he couldnt possibly comprehend how much stronger than goku he ACTUALLY was. Likewise, the battle with Goku Vs Cell didnt impress gohan at all, implying that he was sure Goku and Cell were toying around despite Goku going ALL OUT. All things considered, he’s AWARE of the gap, but his self doubt limits his understanding and just makes him think Goku is lying when we KNOW he isnt because of his injuries vs cell and having no energy left, and having no reason to lie to korin.

@spoof2062 2 года назад

So is this basically what if the cell games was an actual tournament?

@CarthusDojo 2 года назад

yep!

@reptilian_geneticist 2 года назад

Gohan was already significantly stronger than Goku in SSJ... Gohan thought Goku was holding back against Cell because Gohan was scaling Goku to himself... this would be an easy win for Gohan 💯 It would be very similar to Goku vs Cell

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

I like to compare it to Goku vs Radditz

@nlc2566 2 года назад

In this case I see no way gohan looses but if gohan went into a fight blind with goku it can go either way honestly. But since goku and gohan trained and fought each other for an entire year gohan would beat goku here mid diff

@Jiron127 2 года назад

You mean barely. The manga clearly just mentioned that in the video lol. Cell started fighting Gohan at the level he was equal with goku. Once realizing Gohan was faster than Goku's level. He increased his speed to the same level he did. When he started gaining the advantage over goku. Gohan was overwhelmed in a similar fashion to goku. If fpssj goku = 21.5, fpssj gohan = 22.5. cell using increased speed, probably a 25. Full power cell = 30. Keep in mind, ss2 is only a 2x's multiplier. Ss2 gohan = 45. Spc = 42 to 45

@noire.blackheart 2 года назад

What's up with all this misinformation about Gohan's SSJ2 not being obtained until he meets Cell? He unlocked SSJ2 in the hyperbolic time chamber already which is why Goku was so cocky about him defeating Cell.

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

@@noire.blackheart Goku knew that Gohan had SS2 in his pocket yes, but Gohan did have enough power to defeat Perfect Cell even without it. He just lacked the Will

@jamainegardner4193 2 года назад

In the Anime they make that even more clear by having King Kai say Gohan when he _initially_ powered up was stronger than Goku. Even with the skill/experience gap Gohan would definitely whoop Goku. Hell, even if Goku ate a Senzu Bean after Cell's fight I still think Gohan wins.

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

As soon as Gohan believes in himself and goes all out, this is a stomp. The challenge is for Goku to get him to that point

@gaspenpayne6755 2 года назад

Nah, the challenge is gohan trying to finish goku fast, because if he doesn't finish goku fast enough goku will learn how to turn ssj2.

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

@@gaspenpayne6755 if Goku was able to learn SS2 at that time he would have. The one Goku saw the potential to beat Cell in wasn't himself.

@gaspenpayne6755 2 года назад

@@priestesslucy3299 he can learn ssj2 at that point if sees gohan go ssj2, he can copy him. The only reason goku hasn't gone ssj2 yet is because he doesn't know how to go ssj2, back in the time chamber he's been thinking ways to go beyond super saiyan but he can't come up with anything.

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

@@gaspenpayne6755 first, Goku almost certainly doesn't have the power threshold to break open SSJ2 yet. Second- assuming he managed to get Gohan to go all out- he wouldn't get the chance to see it because he gets overpowered by FPSSJ Gohan

@gaspenpayne6755 2 года назад

@@priestesslucy3299 you seriously think someone like goku who's always battling way way stronger opponents than him will immediately get overpowered by a slightyly more powerful gohan?

@Godzilla00X 2 года назад

"Stand back, Cell. I'll get this boy to bring out his hidden power. Piccolo, hand me your belt"

@veljkokravic15 6 месяцев назад

that will just give cell PTSD 🤣

@Gneodoros 2 года назад

That "Special Guest" at the end was hilarious

@SaiyanMotion 2 года назад

Gohan gets the W. Goku and cell both mention that I believe and Gohan thought that Goku was only warming up in his fight against cell.

@najeebshah. 2 года назад

Ah no Goku would body him, huge skill difference, gohan performed worse against cell than goku did

@sashanksriram8942 2 года назад

@@najeebshah. not really. Goku was going all out against cell and gohan had no trouble keeping up with him so much so that he thought goku was holding back.

@SaiyanMotion 2 года назад

@@najeebshah. cell got a senzu bean and went all out on gohan because he wanted to unlock his hidden power

@shapedlike____7305 2 года назад

@@najeebshah. Gohan initially performed worse against Cell because he didn't want to fight or kill Cell, not because Goku has more skill.

@randomguy1401 2 года назад

@@sashanksriram8942 Cell wasn't going all out

@furiousgamerxz5141 2 года назад

What if Granola was sent to Earth, What if Gohan drank the Ultra Divine Water before or after entering the Time Chamber with Goku, What if Goku was the first "evolved" Saiyan (like the Universe 6 Saiyan's who are born without a tail and have more potential), What if Kami regained his youth when King Piccolo did, What if Goku had focused on himself in the time chamber instead of Gohan, What if when Elder Kai unleashed Gohan's potential he also turned Gohan into a Apprentice Kai, What if Goku Black got amnesia and turned good.

@crablicker7155 2 года назад

I like most of these ideas,although goku black has been covered to death by many people

@bensoncheung2801 2 года назад

"evolved"... LEAN GOKU!!! (even leaner that god)

@CerealExperimentsMizuki 2 года назад

The first one would actually be pretty good if written well but all the rest aren't very interesting, although the one where Goku trains himself instead of Gohan would just be funny and stupid as it goes against what he went in there for.

@renitsukishe8740 2 года назад

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki bruh. the evolve part was interesting. like imagine being the first catalyst of your once own former race cause you evolve to be a better version of it. evolve saiyans are better cause. freaking caulifla was still able to box out goku's super saiyan 1-3 even though she just recently unlocks super saiyan 1-2. meanwhile goku has tried perfecting it for years.

@blakguyfromfortnite9340 2 года назад

I’m pretty sure the ultra divine water was just tap water

@akumoknight6506 2 года назад

I’m curious what if you do “What if people know who the Z fighters are?” It probably doesn’t effect much of the story but I’d still like to see what you come up with if you did do this

@ck0375 2 года назад

They kinda are because of the reporter in the cell games

@brownie6452 2 года назад

Man, I love the idea, it would probably have a great effect if you take in consideration Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, superhumans that are martial artists( Who could become masters and teach peoole like in Dragon Ball Online and Tien in SUPER) or even Goku as the winner of the tournament and student of Roshi ( Big name in martial arts). And knowing the love for hercule and even obsession with him, I'm sure it would change a lot, specially if Goku makes money by winning tournaments, Chichi would not be so problematic with Gohan and in fact she would probably make him train so he can keep winning tournaments after his father "retires", and keep the money and fame Goku would have in the place of Hercule. You had a great idea man, congratulations, I hope he sees this or even another what-if youtuber, I really want to see one like this.

@bloop364 2 года назад

@@ck0375 I think more like what if the world saw Gohan beat cell like the camera never broke so they had more to go off of than just Hercule saying I won I'm the champ

@mishtamoose8308 2 года назад

@@ck0375 They know of their existence, but they don't know how strong they are. If they did, they wouldn't worship Mr.Satan as much

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

@@mishtamoose8308 as far as they know, in their darkest hour the one who saved them was Satan, not them. Unless his reputation was simultaneously dragged through the mud, their strength wouldn't diminish him by much. He's the one who got it done when they were down bad

@Pouzis 2 года назад

Oh. My. God. I never expected a collaboration of my two favourite Dragonball content creators, or at least any time soon. That was truly an exciting video to watch, good job!

@encode6230 2 года назад

Gohan was stated to be stronger then Goku However experience and technique might be a factor… but also…. Goku would just quit…. He would still make gohan fight cell

@michellegibson5798 2 года назад

Gohan's power lvl was too much out of Goku's range for technique to matter. The same Speed Cell used against Goku was too slow to touch Gohan who was reluctant to fight. If Gohan fights to win he'd probably mid diff Goku.

@randumo24 2 года назад

I mean, the end of the video literally debunked why experience & technique wouldn't matter in this particular fight. Goku and Gohan just got done training together for nearly a year straight 1 on 1 every day for entire days outside of eating & sleeping. Gohan knows everything Goku can do at this point in the series. If there is any matchup where power matters most at this point, it is Goku vs Gohan.

@vulgrim909 2 года назад

@@michellegibson5798 But Gohan doesnt even know his own power thats why he was getting beaten and if Goku really went all out and used instant transmission kamehameha Gohan would be done for, Goku in all honesty should have been able to kill Cell has he blew his head off with the power of that kamehameha

@vulgrim909 2 года назад

@@randumo24 No he doesnt Gohan didnt pick up on everything Goku knows Gohan only trained with Goku bc he thought he was helping Goku to be stronger he doesn't know his own power which Goku could easily use that against him and while were on that subject toryiama litetally wrote Gohan to be stronger at the last second thats why theres an inconsistency with Goku blowing Cells head off.

@michellegibson5798 2 года назад

@@vulgrim909 that was a nerfed Cell to the point he was Goku's equal. Cell was only at about 50% of his power. Gohan was as strong as Cell at around 75%. Gohan was decently stronger than Goku but lacks experience as a martial artist. Instant Kamehameha lost it's surprise factor so Gohan would expect it and counter with his own. Cell immediately powered up again to fight Gohan after he did with Goku.

@Missnerdfan 2 года назад

I want to say it's Gohan because if we're not counting Super Saiyan 2 in story-wise I think he wins but I don't know if Goku is going to hold back

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

The real problem is Gohan not believing he can win. Goku literally can't beat Super Saiyan Grade 4 Gohan at this point in the story. There's too much power gap to make up with his skill superiority. Gohan is a monster

@reynoldnjoku9735 2 года назад

The only way goku would beat gohan is by killing him with an instant kamehameha. And goku wouldn’t kill gohan. Yes goku is more of a genius when it comes to gohan by far his techniques are beyond better too but that’s not enough to beat gohan

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

@@reynoldnjoku9735 instant Kamehameha worked on a suppressed Cell. It's absolutely not going to work on an all-out Gohan lol. But yeah, if Goku gets him before the kid can properly align himself and his mental state, he could get a blitz kill

@fadjabarry2022 2 года назад

@@priestesslucy3299 It depends if Gohan believes that he can win or not

@Jiron127 2 года назад

@@priestesslucy3299 it's not that big a gap lol. It was rather questionable if he was stronger? He was, but it was tough to tell. Secondly gohan doesn't have the drive goku does. Hence why cell easily beat down fpssj gohan. Initially cell battled fpssj gohan at the level he was even in speed/power with goku. Cell then increased his speed. Which tired goku out. Cell needed it to catch the quicker than goku, gohan. That's the only evidence gohan > goku. If goku is a 21.5, gohan is 22.5. In all, goku would win.

@overheatedfrost8947 2 года назад

Love it, also glad that Salad Saiyan got into this video today.

@dannylopez5976 2 года назад

Gotta say, you got some of the best takes on what if scenario's. The perfect balance of grounded outcomes based on evidence and your own personal story telling for fun outcomes. I like Masako X, but his what ifs definitely fly to far into the fanfiction side. Qaaman and other are good but so grounded that realistically most what ifs end badly.

@SpammytheHedgehog 2 года назад

I can imagine Gohan taking his frustrations out on Goku in this fight. Also, Gohan has a greater potential.

@najeebshah. 2 года назад

Goku would body him, huge skill difference, gohan performed worse against cell than goku did

@nayan.punekar 2 года назад

@@najeebshah. well till he turned ssj2

@Luro_fu 2 года назад

@@nayan.punekar Carthu said no ssj2

@williamgolston5399 2 года назад

Don't buy into the "greater potential" nonsense. Until he does it, it will always be "potential."

@ameerkhan3257 2 года назад

@@najeebshah. only because gohan didnt want to fight cell. Gohan would have no trouble fighting goku

@dungton6066 2 года назад

I never thought people think this Goku is stronger than Gohan. I always thought Gohan was stronger than Goku at this point. But you know what I want to see Future Trunk vs Gohan who have more potential. Feats and all.

@luvvsushi6581 2 года назад

Same. I’d say the only way Goku could actually go against Gohan would be if kaioken was a factor but idk

@phoenixfirebird4221 2 года назад

Goku himself stated he was going all out in the original English dub. Cell however was holding back, despite being a little tired.

@sijonda 2 года назад

Watching this just reminds me of the disappointment in Freeza coming back for the tournament in Super instead of Cell. Just because in the very least Cell probably would have been just as excited as Goku.

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

Would have had to drag Cell into the RoSaT to make him useful... ... Which would have been viable and a great place for Gohan to stretch his legs more

@ultrachara2818 2 года назад

I have a good what if idea: What if Gohan met Videl in the Cell saga. It could be like, in the nine days leasing up to the Cell games.

@pancake9652 2 года назад

My boy gohan taking the W

@xenolegenddbz2424 2 года назад

I loved when Salad Saiyan came onto the video, it caught me off guard!! Wish we can see a full crossover next time!!😁😁👍👍other than that, amazing video!!✌️

@superfeuji9261 2 года назад

Just wanted to say I've been following your channel for a while now and I think this new direction of video format suits you and your content perfectly, keep up the awesome work man and I can't wait for the next one!

@rggamer9575 Год назад

"Still thinking of you Goku" -Cell while beating up Gohan in the TFS version

@WatcherCCG 2 года назад

How did I miss this?! You two are the reason I got back into Dragon Ball! You have no idea how hype seeing you two on screen at the same time is, however briefly.

@SimpleAsChris 2 года назад

i would imagine Yamcha fighting Vegeta ya know, Yamcha outsmarting Vegeta in many ways, but vegeta still taking the win that would be a lit moment for yamcha

@sarcasticsuperjerk18 2 года назад

I’d actually love for it to be if Yamcha won by using the Spirit Ball and carrying Vegeta off the ring with it. Kinda fits with Vegeta’s whole thing in Z about people chipping away at his entitlement and taking the piss out of him when his arrogance gets overbearing, especially when Yamcha’s the weakest of the Z fighters there, it’d really break his ego. Best part is, it could realistically happen, Yamcha’s a trickster in battle and he knows how to beat a sensitive opponent like Vegeta via endless taunting. Of course in a non-tournament setting Yamcha would get blitzed, but in a tournament where you can alternatively win by knocking people off the stage Yamcha’s gonna take that chance and run with it.

@vulgrim909 2 года назад

@@sarcasticsuperjerk18 Yeah no this is Z you don't win with petty attacks with a very low powerlevel besides that I don't remember him using that to win against any opponent and its not like Vegeta is that dumb he isnt some generic arrogant character like we all know Yamcha would be pissing in his pants facing Vegeta like lets be real here youre just the common Vegeta hater bc men with an actual spine make you cry at night

@sarcasticsuperjerk18 2 года назад

@@vulgrim909 Bro…that was…the most pathetic and pressed comment I’ve ever seen from ANYONE holy shit, I was just saying how it could work narratively 💀

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

Something the fandom likes to forget. Super Saiyan 2 is _only a x2 boost over Super Saiyan Grade 4_ and Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, with one of his arms down and his power halved by the combination of physical damage and self doubt *was almost perfectly matched in a beam struggle with Super Perfect Cell,* only slowly losing ground. Cell Games Gohan is a beast.

@youtuberguy123 2 года назад

Cell was absolutely destroying gohan for most of that beam struggle until Vegeta distracted him. Also losing an arm doesn't correlate to half power. He could have just channeled all of his ki into one arm rather than splitting it across 2.

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

@@youtuberguy123 Did you miss the whole Crippling Self Doubt part? Mental State is a huge component of one's ability to utilize their power in Dragonball

@vulgrim909 2 года назад

@@priestesslucy3299 he was self doubting himself before the beam struggle and its why he was losing to cell without help from Vegeta and the others, its why he wouldn't win against Goku bc power is only relative to the user, Gohans character literally does not allow him to go all out, he thinks Goku is stronger and he does not want to fight, Cell games Gohan is not a beast he is a coward the only people that think he is a beast is you Gohan fans that overhype a power he is too mentally weak and cowardly to use its like a Broly whimpering and crying infront of Goku Strength really means absolutely nothing if youre not even gonna use it which is why he was never made the protagonist

@AllMight6 Год назад

He also had a rage boost

@Mino..233 2 года назад

Amazing work carthu. You should make more videos like these.

@Darklord_tK 2 года назад

It was clearly stated after exiting the time chamber by goku that gohan was the strongest among them, his only weakness was his unwillingness to fight

@Miguelnumbers 2 года назад

Salad Saiyan: Did you really think you could do a video about the Cell games without me? Carthu's Dojo: I don't even know who the F*ck you are. "Gonna need a Senzu for that one..."

@user-vs9ds3dc2y 2 года назад

💀

@phantom-d3c 2 года назад

I agree that Gohan would still win against Goku without the need of any rage boost or SSj2. Also maybe we can see you do some of these What if VS I think would be interesting: - Piccolo (After Kami fused) vs Android 17 - SSj Rage Trunks vs Ultimate Gohan - SSBKKx20 Goku vs SSBE Vegeta - Cell vs Dabura - True Golden Frieza vs Ultimate Gohan

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

Isn't the Piccolo vs Android 17 fight you describe the one we already got? I'm with you on Ultimate Gohan vs SSIkari Trunks, sounds like it could be an incredible match. Gohan has the edge in power, but Trunks is by far the most pragmatic fighter in this show who will do everything to win if he's given the motivation somehow. Ultimate Gohan vs Golden Frieza would also be a great fight, but it's a little less interesting. These two hate each other lol

@sergiomedina1099 2 года назад

The brand new Final Gohan vs UE and UI

@Shavenx10 10 месяцев назад

The cameraman who filmed the cell saga is unmatched

@TheChamp820 8 месяцев назад

Alternative Title: If The Cell Games Weren’t Fixed For Cell’s Wants

@1Grumi 2 года назад

Gohan is so gonna be like "Wait, you weren't holding back?" So I say Gohan wins because Goku runs out of stamina.

@RandKin 2 года назад

Neat crossover, I dig it.

@Grownupbobbyhill Год назад

When goku said, "what do you say son? Go out there and win this one for me, then we can all go home" really sold it for me. It was like Goku knew Gohan didnt wanna fight and unleash his anger but it was the only way to save Earth and beat Cell

@SpammytheHedgehog 2 года назад

This would be Perfect for Abridged Gohan.

@SaiyanMotion 2 года назад

The salad cameo 🤣

@bobjr8519 2 года назад

Editing is top tier & 100% agree with everything idk why ppl think goku could beat cell it was just never going to happen

@omegavaltv4894 2 года назад

THE COLAB I ASKED FOR ON TWITTER

@tsundere4148 2 года назад

This is really well made!

@RandomCarGuy17 2 года назад

I personally would've loved the story going this route almost, sort of Gohan's final test before taking on the big bad, can he defeat his own father? Despite what the fanbase thinks of their relationship, Gohan has put his dad on this pedestal that he thinks he could never surpass. Goku's challenge would be trying to break that idea Gohan has. With that said, I think Goku would hold back somewhat in fear of killing Gohan and thus Gohan wins. Plus of course Gohan being the stronger of the 2. That might also change the fight of Gohan vs Cell, with Gohan having more confidence to handle the bugman.

@marioandultrachap Год назад

Probably wouldn't of been a bad idea.

@DynastyZwarrior90 2 года назад

It would be interesting if Cell Games was an actual tournament with Cell not being the only opponent like you showed here. Android 16 was there as well even though I don't know how would it play out with 10 fighters overall.

@gizel4376 Год назад

i think if you want interesting match, you have to put: 1.Vegeta vs Trunks -> Vegeta 2.Cell vs Satan ->Cell 3.16 vs picolo ->16 4.gohan vs goku ->gohan second round doesn't matter since power lvl are too far away so you get gohan vs Cell in the final

@DynastyZwarrior90 Год назад

@@gizel4376 There were still Tien, Krillin and Yamcha. Unless you count their statement that they wouldn't fight in the Cell Games but only watch. I think Piccolo would beat 16 as he was able to take hits from Cell Jrs and keep standing while 16 was one shoted by Semi Perfect Cell who was much weaker than them.

@gizel4376 Год назад

@@DynastyZwarrior90 my reasoning for 16 winning is simply because picolo was weaker than base cell while 16 was stronger and i think it's more revelent than the how hard they get beaten by different form of cell that are hard to scale edit: also, the cell jr. powerscale is not coherent, we know at this point Vegeta is considerably stronger than Picolo, Picolo wouldn't stand against vegeta the way he standed against cell jr. which make no sense since the cell jr. are stronger than vegeta, the only explanation is that the cell jr. were playing with them, just like cell was playing with Goku, so they ajusted their power to get a good entertainement

@DynastyZwarrior90 Год назад

@@gizel4376 Yes but Piccolo trained for one year following his defeat by Cell and judging from everyone's comment his increase was very big. Playing around or not the Cell Jrs were still able to gain the upper hand against Vegeta and Trunks who wat this point could one shot Semi Perfect Cell. I think Piccolo is at the very least stronger than Semi Perfect Cell's level at that point. I mean Super Vegeta (who trashed Semi Cell) was 3 shoted by a heavily supressed Perfect Cell. Vegeta trined for one year and surpassed that level his saw from Perfect Cell (he was confident in winning the Cell Games) and he held his own against the Cell Jrs. Piccolo was able to survive longer against that same Cell Jrs than Vegeta did against Perfect Cell 10 days ago.

@gizel4376 Год назад

@@DynastyZwarrior90 i forgot about that part, yes with that one year training he's obviously stronger, it make more sense now

@reilorenzogamer5007 2 года назад

"???" : DO YOU *REALLY THINK YOU CAN MAKE CELL GAMES VÍDEO WITHOUT ME? Carthus D: i dont know the f*ck you are Me: * Wait* "???" : its me Carthus :D: oh So salad Me: * Dies of laughing,rip *

@alfieclark5390 2 года назад

I WAS THERE FOR THE LIVE STREAM

@Sword_Man_YT 2 года назад

Honestly I feel if Gohan doesn’t have any motivation to fight Goku should take it.

@ArtsyJet 2 года назад

I imagine a dark spin where Gohan subconsciously takes out his frustrations on Goku. All those years of Goku being a subpar father has got to affect a kid, even if said kid isn't consciously thinking about it.

@craigpeoples9883 2 года назад

@@ArtsyJetI don't think he'd be upset at Goku especially since he's recently spent three years with Gohan

@andyjun4178 2 года назад

@@ArtsyJet you’re thinking of DBZA Loll

@scrollingdownonlytofindcom2663 2 года назад

@@ArtsyJet canon Gohan would never act like that

@user-vs9ds3dc2y 2 года назад

@@ArtsyJet You've been watching too much TFS.

@ngonimandizha7738 2 года назад

Gohan would win if they were both SSJ one’s, but it’d be close!

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

In terms of relative power this basically the radditz saga all over again. If Gohan goes all out, Goku basically can't win.

@najeebshah. 2 года назад

@@priestesslucy3299 lol no there is no ssj2 here Goku would body him, huge skill difference, gohan performed worse against cell than goku did

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

@@najeebshah. yes, there is a huge skill difference. Much like Goku vs Radditz. One skilled martial artist, one brawler with immense brute force

@najeebshah. 2 года назад

@@priestesslucy3299 dude gohan and gokus power difference isn't lile goku vs raditz lol

@eternityarc916 2 года назад

@@najeebshah. gohan stomps lmao. The power gap is too wide

@bakruptfern329 Год назад

"I don't even know who the fuck you are 🤨" Bruh 🤣

@ultragameronline3917 2 года назад

You should do a what if on what if goku fully focused on himself in the time chamber instead of gohan. It would be very interesting to see how strong goku would’ve been able to become if he could spent his entire time on trying to improve himself and not gohan. And in this aspect I do believe that if goku have does not have gohan to worry about he could’ve unlocked ssj2 and beat cell.

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

Iron sharpens iron. The only way Goku could have possibly gotten stronger than he did with Gohan was if he had gone into the chamber with Trunks, who was already a Super Saiyan and Cooperative. Or possibly Vegeta if he had a mountain of Senzu beans, since the only training they'd be doing together is beating each other up

@ultragameronline3917 2 года назад

@@priestesslucy3299 I agree but he wasn’t as strong as he could’ve been do to the fact he spent like 90% of his time training gohan.

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

@@ultragameronline3917 this is frankly debatable, because Gohan had the most potential of all the saiyans and became more powerful than any of them within the scope of that one year. It's entirely possible those 6 months of training time Goku did get with Gohan once he brought him up to par was more valuable than two years with Vegeta or Trunks. Could go either way tbh

@tsosway486 2 года назад

Finally it's so annoying that people think gohan needed sj2 to beat goku when goku says gohan stronger than him and it's kinda confirmed when everyone surprised at gohan strength and when call says son goku might not be lying

@adamwade6243 2 года назад

That Surprise Discord Call in-between Carthu's Dojo and Salad Saiyan was really funny, but Salad Saiyan's voice sounds a bit different to me than it had been the last time I had heard it.

@aidenp8661 2 года назад

the bit where salad comes in is so funny and unexpected it brought a smile to my face

@michaelc.brownsr4680 2 года назад

Gohan is a Strategist! He lays out a plan before trying it! Why is this even a question!?? Gohan would Trounce his Dad

@chrono2208 2 года назад

Goku is a better fighter than gohan, and at this point in the story gohan is still insecure about his power (which gets even worse considering hes fighting his dad), gohan might be more powerful, but he doesn't have the skill nor the mindset to win a fight against his dad.

@vulgrim909 2 года назад

@@chrono2208 Finally someone with sense who actually knows what theyre talking about and not being fanboys hyping up Gohans nonexistant power which he never uses unless the stakes are high, someone who knows that Gohan despite his power advantage doesnt like to fight if Gohan and Goku went 1 on 1 Goku would realize that his son doesnt want to or like fighting, it would be Gohan that would throw the fight and anything Goku says wouldn't change his mind

@JackieFuckingChan 2 года назад

I always related to Gohan because my parents divorced when i was young. My dad wasn't always around. But when he was, it filled me with such pure joy. He was my best friend. I see a lot of my dad in Goku.

@gaspenpayne6755 2 года назад

But goku and chichi aren't divorced? They all live in the same house.

@Chrisp-gn9bv 2 года назад

My fav dragon ball what if youtubers are Carthu and Salad so the end was so nice to see :)

@hughjazz8655 2 года назад

Salad saiyan x carthus dojo - not the colab we deserved, but the one we needed

@captain5977 2 года назад

I personally think that Goku would win, because his arsenal of techniques is far greater than Gohan. Not only that but IF Goku would to train his SSJ to TRULY be like his base form then surely, I mean surely, he can use the Kaioken. All he needs in my opinion is to use Kaioken x 1.5. (x 2 if there is no decimals in the Kaioken)Not only THAT but Goku's Battle IQ outmatches Gohan's (However I will admit Gohan does have a better IQ than Goku) also Gohan don't like fighting so he will either A. Try to end it fast, or B. Just like his Father win. Last and not least, Gohan barely if at all got battle experience. (All his deadly fights up to now has been a Curb stomp for either him or his opponent.) Forgot to mention this but yeah Gohan and Goku trained for like months (Not a year, some of it was spent trying to get Gohan SSJ) so both of them would know each other fighting styles quite well. (Which is an advantage to both but to mainly Goku, because he can easily detect the weakness for Gohan's better than Gohan can for Goku's)

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

Kaioken is incompatible with Super Saiyan. Also 1.5 doesn't exist and would still leave Goku woefully underpowered here. Imo SSKx3 would probably be enough, but it's not a thing

@ningenslayer6306 2 года назад

@@priestesslucy3299 That’s never stated in the manga, and Grade 4 doesn’t consume any extra stamina. I doubt Goku would use it since he never does so, but there really isn’t a reason he can’t.

@izzo4231 2 года назад

You know I really would have liked to see this as canon if cell instead made the tournament in bracket style….ok honestly I just want to see Vegeta vs Yamcha round 1 🤣

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

Yamcha always faces the final boss in the first round. Unless Vegeta is New Yamcha and he gets beat up by Cell first lol

@cyclicxcalibur2043 2 года назад

Yoooo so hyped for this

@adamwade6243 2 года назад

I was caught a little bit by surprise when Carthu had mentioned Team Four Star, as I really didn't think that he would have mentioned them at all.

@mayagray2807 2 года назад

I always assumed goku was "weaker" was because he doesn't have the potental endurance of cell. If goku went all out right from the start, caught cell off guard and blew him tf up maybe. But cell heals, and his stamina will quickly come back, goku obviously doesn't. Also since cell heals mid fight, he's getting mini zenkis constantly.

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

That is theoretically possible yes, but it's only possible because Cell was suppressing himself for a more entertaining fight against Goku.

@daikoru2511 2 года назад

So basically if the cell games was like the world tournament?

@CarthusDojo 2 года назад

Exactly!

@daikoru2511 2 года назад

@@CarthusDojo cool idea man keep it up

@captain5977 2 года назад

@@CarthusDojo Are they battling to the death or just a friendly bout

@XdeadsoulXful 3 месяца назад

Goku ‘either my kid goes berserk and wins this, or I watch my son die and get enraged instead’ probably a thought in the back of his mind

@siasdandellia 2 года назад

the fandom really take TFS jokes ultra full power mastered instinct seriously, wtf 😭 6:20

@tonyblank2022 2 года назад

Kakaroto! I mean Full Power SSJ Goku XD

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

Will have to blitz a self doubting and hesitant Gohan and overwhelm him while the kid believes he's outmatched

@BaldOmniMan 2 года назад

If Super Saiyan Gohan actually tried, he probably could have beaten super perfect cell without super Saiyan 2. Depends on if you think he got a rage boost along with super Saiyan 2, or if super Saiyan 2 WAS his rage boost

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

Super Perfect maybe not, but definitely Perfect Cell

@Smoke2117YT 2 года назад

Salad's random pop up, and how you two converse is just hilarious

@head_bussa 9 месяцев назад

What's more interesting to me is a fight with Gohan vs full powered cell when he return after the self explosion. That fight would've been epic. I think we was rob of that fight.

@user-gh9gh1my7s 2 года назад

I think gohan has this one- he has even been confirmed to be stronger than goku in just his mastered state alone multiple times.

@CyanicCore 2 года назад

I think Gohan could, but wouldn't. Unless Goku intentionally loses and further confuses Gohan towards the end, the younger would be weighed by a lack of *confidence* alongside experience. He respects his father, and consistently expects him to have more in the tank.

@marioandultrachap Год назад

Yeah that's my thing. Goku was still able to give cell a good fight in ssj Gohan did not cause he doesn't like fighting. Even if Gohan had more power than Goku which ehh I'm still on the fence about that since they're at the absolute max ssj can go already. If it is I don't think it's by as much as people say I still say Goku would win based on drive and technique. Had Gohan had the same drive and moviation Goku had then yeah Gohan would probably win. Gohan didn't really fight that much until he went ssj 2 so it's kind of hard to say what fighting technique he really has.

@vixinitydbz Год назад

When your son is beating your ass and ur tryna keep up and he told you to stop holding back 💀

@tanmoy.mazumder 2 года назад

tfs have made their way into what ifs. p e r f e c t

@hankthehokagehill8374 2 года назад

Ok even after this video I still think Goku would win this fight, and it’s because this one reason, Goku is the greatest martial artist to ever live in his universe. If his minds in the right place he in theory be Gohan through different martial arts techniques he had learned in his over 30 years of training with different masters Gohan never had. Grandpa Gohan, Roshi, Kami and King Kai Gohan would win the power, Goku would win in skill

@priestesslucy3299 2 года назад

Skill can only overcome a power gap so far before it becomes impossible. A conservative estimate places Gohan at about three times Goku's power prior to SSJ2

@vulgrim909 2 года назад

@@priestesslucy3299 A power he doesnt even use or believe he even has, strength is only relative in how one believes in themself and men who refuse to fight or believe in such strength just cannot best someone with the raw determination and skill to win

@SilveeYT 2 года назад

I wish more people watched Kai or at least the Japanese dub, so they can truly see the correct original version of what Dragon Ball was supposed to be, rather than the American version with misinformation.

@Marconel100 5 месяцев назад

I think even ssj2 Gohan might feel a little sting after instant transmission kamehameha from Goku lol.. such an awesome technique

@christiannicholaswiegold1155 2 года назад

Holy Smokes! Never expected that Salad Saiyan would appear here, as I DID see Salad's Vids to some Point :v

@mangethman9240 2 года назад

I think Goku will win because there shouldn't be a reason for Gohan to release his rage to show his true potential. I'm excited to watch and see if I'm right! Love the videos!