Why Super Saiyan Gohan Was STRONGER Than Goku In The Cell Saga 

I don't think he is bcoz Cell wasn't even half serious at the early going of their fight, unlike when he fought goku, the warm up is way more intense than his fight with super saiyan Gohan. He is soo underestimating Gohan that's why Gohan managed to bleed him. Sure he is almost as strong as GOku that's why even Vegeta was surprised to see him power up but stronger than mastered super saiyan Goku. I don't think so.

Toriyama's style of story telling is very predictable, especially when it comes to showing who's powerful than the other character. If Super saiyan Gohan was stronger than Goku he would've demonstrated it in a more obvious way but he didn't coz he was about to introduce the Super Saiyan 2 which Gohan will achieve eventually.

Also they were more optimistic when Goku powered up than when Gohan powered up, they were amazes of how strong Gohan became but not as optimistic when Goku fought Cell.

Krillins story is very similiar to Gohan's I believe at some point in the dragon ball series Goku (or roshi?) points out to krillins that even though he isn't as strong as Goku his growth had been incredible as well, people love to dunk on him but krillin is a human being who became stronger than his master in a short amount of time the only thing that holfs him back is his genes.

Only people who don't know argue

Broly: **sneezes**

​@@rainbow_vader Still wouldn't be enough

😂 right goku wasn’t there to take him to the fair

Grrr I'm so angy! (Intentionally misspelled)

​@@amadorcortinas2749 ssj2 Teen Gohan would kill lssj Broly's ass

Goku was fighting as hard as he could Cell was not even close to his full power

Cell was at best around 50% against Goku. Nothing more.

Perfect Cell has three points of power: His warm up level when he fought Trunks and Vegeta Powering up first time against Goku’s full power Full power against SSj2 Gohan. At this point, his power was far above everyone else but Gohan’s, which still paled to Gohan. Super Perfect Cell, which manga wise at least, implies Gohan couldve still taken him at full power. But the anime/manga show it with the final energy clash. Gohan was mentally nerfed but once he unleashed his full power, he destroyed Cell.

@@ksiisgod i can agree.

Yea i agree but didnt Gohan always have a anger power boost? 😊

​@@stephano2996 we aren't actually talking about a 'rage boost' here, but a pacifist passive self suppression. Gohan is holding back because he doesn't want to hurt anyone, Cell included. He has enough power, he's just not using it.

@@priestesslucy3299 same thing happened during the beam struggle. Gohan was so afraid going all out would blow up the earth he held back until he saw an opportunity Shere Cell couldn't push back The most telling is that Cell had absolutely no response to Gohan releasing it all in that moment

People seem to ignore that Goku told Gohan he only thought Goku wasnt going all out against Cell because he was comparing himself to Goku, who he was much stronger than.

Yep, I don't think we ever actually get a good metric of how strong SS Gohan is in the fight with Cell cause he's not actually invested in the fight. But, and okay Cell isn't at full power and seems to be stronger than Gohan, he's clearly not as outmatched as Goku seemed to be as he's not getting visibly exhausted despite what's being thrown at him, and then when we see him momentarily snap as Cell's trying to get him to get angry he drops Cell with a single kick that's enough to knock Cell down and keep him down (even drawing what passes for blood) for a moment which is easily more than Goku managed with a simple attack.

@KereTista-km9ck did u not watch the video or read the manga or watch the show? He is sent trying to fight. He quite literally never swung at cell til ssj2. Ant say he got no diffed. Especially when he tanked everything cell threw at him for the entire fight while not fighting back.

@KereTista-km9ckcell used more power against gohan and held back a lot against goku. when gohan powered up even cell stated he was stronger then goku the same with all the z fighters. and with gohan having no problem keeping up with goku and cell he even thought goku wasn’t trying that’s how weak goku was compared to gohan. goku even stated this himself cell used more power and needed his true speed to even touch gohan. also gohan wasn’t trying he literally stopped mid fight he had no motivation and when he did try for a split second he kicked cell to the ground and caused cell to start bleeding and he was struggling to stand.

@Kere Tista did u even read the manga and watch the show Gohan didn’t wanna fight Cell Gohan was stronger but Gohan literally didn’t wanna fight which is why he told Cell that he can still stop fighting because it’s meaningless Cell pushed Gohan button til he became Ssj2

@Kere Tista Gohan was only fighting Half heartedly against Cell as SSJ1. He wasn't fighting willingly and wanted to end the fight peacefully. Gohan only started fighting seriously when he went SSJ2.

@KereTista-km9ck I never said cell used his full power against gohan, but he literally powered up more against gohan. the cell that fought gohan couldn’t even touch or damage him until he used his true speed. gohan had no motivation he stop mid fight. but when he did try for a split second he kicked cell to the ground. and made him start bleeding and he was struggling to stand.

What? When did that happen? Cell only went full after Gohan turned SSJ 2. Don't post stuff based on the dub cause sometimes, they just add stuff that is not there.

@@juliocabral6949 Someone doesn't know the meaning of the word "speed".

@@_Seru_ Dude. That thing you wrote there never happened. You mean when he grabbed him? That was nothing.

@@_Seru_ Nah you’re statement is correct and I’d dare say if Gohan was fully into the fight a ssj1 full powered Gohan would’ve won that fight. Gohan is a really smart and calculated fighter and seeing as to how Goku managed to completely blow off his upper-half. The narrative is there that Gohan was not only much more durable than Goku but that was just much stronger at the time. A full power perfect Cell was nowhere near comparable against a ssj2 Gohan. Gohan toyed with him and it’s only due to Cell’s regenerative capabilities and body’s survival instinct that he survived Gohan’s attacks as a suppressed ssj2. After he spit up 18 Cell acknowledges this fact and it’s made apparent. A full powered ssj 1 Gohan Kamehameha would’ve obliterated Cell but the narrative wanted to build up Gohan’s dormant power and thus did a perfect job in delivering this one.

@@juliocabral6949 It's time for you to read the manga.

People just like to hate on Gohan

You can always count on Goku fanobys to come up with something like that. They also actually think Goku was as powerful as full power Perfect Cell and that Gohan was winning as SSJ2 only because "Goku showed him how Cell fights".

I'm not that surprised people would think that, their fights just presented themselves differently. When I remember Goku vs Cell I think of a high octane fight where both sides struggle to overcome one another (even though Cell was obviously sandbagging a little bit but that doesn't matter because he still looked like he was trying hard) but when I remember SSJ 1 Gohan vs Cell I think of Gohan being little more than a punching bag that also makes pain sounds

Goku put up a much better fight bcuz Goku loves to fight. Gohan was stronger but bcuz he didn’t go all out like Goku did, it’s easy to see just based on the battles. A lot of people forget Gohan is half saiyan and doesn’t have the thirst for battle like a full saiyan.

The reason Goku is misinterpreted to be more powerful is because from a viewing standpoint Goku performed better against Cell as a MSSJ/Grade 4. Gohan's battle was him holding back and not actually attempting to really fight with Cell as a SSJ

Rage Boosts are always temporary. The reason Gohan seems so absurdly more powerful in SSJ2 isn't a rage boost stacked ontop of SSJ2, all his rage did here was trigger SSJ2. What you're seeing is Gohan actually using his true power, alongside SSJ2. SSJ1 Gohan didn't want to hurt Cell. He had no killing intent, he lacked a warrior's spirit (and can you blame him? He was a 9-10 year old child). That was his weakness.

This is never shown or even stated. Gohan being 2X stronger in SSJ2 makes perfect sense. Goku was nearly equal to Cell and Gohan was even stronger than Goku. You only need to be 1.25X stronger than your opponent to dominate them in Dragon Ball (as shown in the Namek Saga) meaning Cell was less than 1.25X stronger than Gohan. Gohan going SSJ2 would make him at LEAST 1.75X stronger than Cell which would allow Gohan to destroy Cell like he was doing.

​@@priestesslucy3299 SSJ 2 should've been kept as the form the sayians transform to when they get a rage boost

He’s wrong all the time

That’s what made it so great, it was shocking when he said that.

Goku is not the type to lie He wouldn’t lie about Gohan being stronger

Yeah, he's pretty blunt when it comes to measuring peoples power. Flat out told Piccolo that he'd get slammed after he came out of the time chamber and told Vegeta to his face that he's stronger 😅

​@@crimsonking4151On dbz he was rarely wrong and most of his "dumb decisions can be argued to be also rational, for example when people thought Goku was being stupid in throwing a senzu bean, you can argue that he was actually trying to feed off Cell's ego, so that Cell would lower his guard down and toy with a Gohan that's half assing in order to unleash Gohan's full power. Most of the time in DBZ Goku was the one who was smart, it was his idea to go to namek, it was his idea on how they cornered Raditz into a corner, it was his idea on where they could trap the androids into a fight they cannot escape, he knew they cannot beat Cell regardless so he lets 17 and 18 get absorbed and gambled Tien and Piccolo's life, and etc...

Asked sorry? Must not be your first language

Godzilla had a stroke trying to read this

@@crimsonking4151 @ราชาสีแดง Crimson King yes 😂👍 in italian say sorry sound like "ha chiesto scusa", "ha chiesto" is translated in "asked". So yes, English is not my first language.

@@mike0133 They speak english because it's the only language they know. YOU speak english because it's the only language THEY know

Yet Goku is still a better written character and Gohan will never be better then Goku 😂

Gohan is stronger than goku right now

@@Rankingz_95 cap

Beast form is the transformation that he inherited from Chi Chi. Soon we'll see Chi Chi Beast

That is why the fanbase hates Chi Chi too. She went from a sweet but powerful girl in Dragon Ball to an emotionally and sometimes physically abusive harpy.

It's not that people discredit Chi Chi it's just that she is controlling, manipulative and complains alot. Gohan is still different.

Team Four Star especially roasts Chi Chi in this regard and even Bulma.

I think that may be true, good thinking as it would explain the rage boost! Better than kioken as it lasts longer! 😂

There’s no difference between Gohan getting his potential unlocked by Guru vs Goku from the divine water.

@@dominiquerobinson8888. Yeah, but Gohan had his potential unlocked twice.

@@davonbenson4361He only got it unlocked once up until that point

Yea but if Goku got his potential unlocked too he would 1 shot Gohan

@@dominiquerobinson8888 Thre is and really huge, when you see the power boost of the devine water it wasnt that much compared to Guru's power up with both Krillin and Gohan. The devine water didnt unlocjk the 10x power boost of the monkey transofrmation with Goku, at must was 1.5x power up to make sense with the Daizenshu power levels and story, but Guru did make both Krillin and Gohan about 10x more powerful. Do the math

There is a good chance that Gohan could have killed PC without the mental block as ssj.

@@derekclawson5707 I don’t think so. I think PC would’ve won if Gohan never went SSJ2. Remember cell only powers up to 100% when gohan turns ssj2

@@2FINE4YOUBABYGIRLyes that’s true, gohan was about 75% of full power pc! So he needed ssj2 which makes me wonder about spc lvl compared to gohan!

What sucks is normally Gohan would of. Up until that point he was jumping into fights and blasting the hell out of villains. He went nuts on Namek

@@derekclawson5707 well remember when Gohan snaps and unleashes everything he has Cell chuckles “so, that’s it huh?” - now he mightn’t be worried cause he simply assumes Gohan’s going to go into one of the SSJ grades but there’s also the possibility that what he’s sensing before Gohan transcends to SSJ2 still isn’t a match for 100% PC.

Not always

Nah it’s just wrong Goku is stronger

Goku didn't get some massive rage boost like Gohan or Vegetable's 'my bulma moment' when Krillin died. He just tapped into Super Saiyan, it was a trigger and nothing more. Truth be told that's what happened here with Gohan as well. That rage went into breaking down the barrier to SSJ2, rather than a short lived rage boost. Lastly, Vegeta doesn't have half the bond with future Trunks here that Goku had with Krillin. Yes he has grown to care for the boy to a degree, but it's not deep. Meanwhile Krillin was Goku's best friend and Apprentice-brother for over nine years when Frieza killed him.

you could say Vegeta did get a rage boost but his power was so far below Cell that it didn't matter. maybe it put him on par with Goku, or at best maybe on par with gohan before ssj2. Cell did start bracing for Vegeta's energy blasts when before he only did that for the final flash

Plot armor

I mean the fact that a child could turn super San should be enough of a convincing argument for crying out loud 😆

That was filler

@@i-10haula88 Them training together though very brief is in the manga and is canon.

@Kaiser Matt Tygore them training together is Canon but not the scenes of gohan keeping up with piccolo and goku

He didn’t surpass goku until the time chamber training

No. Goku wanted to fight Cell first because Goku loves to fight. If he could beat Cell he sure as hell was going to give it his best shot.

@@priestesslucy3299 That would be true except that Goku knew in advance he couldn't beat Cell. Since he knew that it would make sense for him to show Gohan how he fights.

It’s not ignorance it’s just some people are mentally tender and beleive their own narratives instead of accepting facts!

Genius

This ^ , i never understood why this is so hard to understand, that core is the bare minimum from what Cell could come back from

So if that Kamehameha hit him from the knees up and all that was left were his legs. Would two separate Cells grow from those legs?

@@CPhelps1247 they would probably combine into a new Cell

@@CPhelps1247 whichever one had the most mass would reform.

@@CPhelps1247 or both legs could start to regenerate at the same rate and just reconnect at the closest point. Or come together and then reform into cell.

Most important of all he had proper instructions from his father which future Gohan didn't have. Goku also put his focus on Gohan unlike Vegeta only sparing with Trunks occasionally in the time chamber. I really think Trunks should have went in with piccolo instead, he would gain better results than with his father who didn't really train with him.

Id say Cell was only marginally above Ssj1 Gohan/Goku. Because they were still able to inflict damage upon Cell and being able to take a bunch of hits from Cell 2. And when Gohan went Ssj2 he completely made Cell look like a joke.

Gohan was a wimp the entire story up until now the first time we see him he's crying in raditz arms this shows him finally growing

Edit: thid shoes that his transformstion not just as a San but as a person is complete

The anime made it clear too

No think what the shitty English Funimation script did to Goku.

@@paulmajano except funimation goku speaks well too especially that speech to vegeta about fusing it's just dbs that makes goku retarded

Jerks writers don't like vegeta.

My personal interpretation has always been that Vegeta simply didn't want to use ssj3. He chased after Gokus power after seeing ssj, eventually attaining it. He then trains and attains ssj2 after witnessing it. In Buu saga he fights goku after the 7 years but didn't have the same training or pre 7 year strength as goku. After getting the Majin boost and being fairly even yet winning against ssj2 goku as ssj2, he eventually learned of ssj3 and of goku holding back against him. I think at that point he deciding instead of doing what others were or chasing after power ups that others received, he wanted to forge his own way through hard work. After all he off screen trained to use ssj God and then surpassed it, attaining ssgss first if I'm not wrong. Then with ssgss evolution being his own entirely, him outright saying in the anime that he'd make his own way without trying to do what goku does. This is again evidenced by Ultra Ego. On top of that I think he saw ssj3 the same as he did grade 3 ssj. A great power up but at a great cost, ssj3 draining issues and ssj grade 3 speed loss. Tldr, even if he can use it (he probably can tbh), he doesn't want to and now doesn't need to

@@ohdell85 hm, interesting point. Vegeta probably thought maybe a form could exist beyond Super Sayian 2, but figured it wouldn't matter. He probably focused on mastering Super Sayian 2 like Goku and Gohan did for SSJ1 during the Cell Games. He figured Goku would go down that route, a d Gohan to. He probably figured it was best to be well balanced and have great durability and endurance and stamina, rather than just keep increasing his raw strength and power output. He figured mastering Super Sayian 2 would give him an edge already. As in the Manga, he was surprised and shocked Goku reached SSJ2. He said something like "so Kakorot reached the level beyond Super Sayian to? ..." so he was probably having like a "Oh shit, he can do SSJ2 as well! Dammnit all to hell" moment, lol

Gohan had a rage boost on top of SSJ2 so at the Cell Games it was over 2x anyways.

@@cywh1711 At the time, rage was considered to be a trigger for the transformation, the "rage boost" theory was made only later to accomodate the "standard" 2x multiplier. All other rage boosts we've seen in the series were instantaneous and petered out very quickly, while Gohan was able to maintain an amazing power level even after transforming a second time while not being in such emotional upheaval

@@SaturnineXTS this wasn’t just any rage boost though. This was Gohans “unleash his latent potential” rage boost, which is always more impressive than other characters rage boosts.

@@kitkat7074 Still, while transformed Gohan looked and acted nothing like he did when snapping before, which is a problem with this theory

No. Only Gohan was close enough to achieving SSJ2. Goku needed otherworld training to get SSJ2 and was still only somewhat stronger than SSJ2 Gohan from Cell games.

Yea cuz Gohan was weaker and then he surpassed his father in less than a year

My point exactly lol 😂 . Why does people put their head in the sand and forget or choose to not acknowledge this? It’s beyond me sometimes.

I just reread these exact two fights in the manga and that’s simply untrue. Anime I’m not gonna speak for, but at no point before Gohan reached Super Saiyan 2 did anyone say wow he’s stronger or doing better than Goku did. Which in the whole cell saga they had no problem flat out saying so and so is stronger than so and so. I understand people are gonna believe what they want, however when I take time to reread the manga multiple times to make sure my facts are straight. I’ll definitely call out bs when I see it.

Exactly this was foreshadowed since the beginning of the series.

Vegeta and the other saiyans do not seem to lack emotions tho

It’s obvious

Remember also that Chi-chi is pretty strong human.

Gohan sucks he’s never done anything and he ain’t never put in no pain for any of his power ups

Tell me about it. Imagine if Chi-Chi taught him basic martial arts and also encouraged his studying, then told him to use his book smarts to help him fight when he needed to?

Gohan not training was his decision. He was able to have the normal stable life that was robbed from him during the entire z Sega. No telling how messed up he would have turned out if he didn't regain some of his lost childhood. Sure his fighting ability suffer but this the same guy who cab turn it up at anytime.

@@UltimateDurzan u do know Gohan always wanted to a be scholar rt?

Str8 up. Shortest, most hyped fight

Except you are wrong

@@aceclover758 ok

same

Same here. I’m usually hours later.

Lol He definitely did need to

I’m sure people thought this way about Vegeta when he was a bad guy. You think it’s impossible just because it didn’t happen.

Cell was less of a bastard than many of the previous villains. Especially Frieza who's just an asshole because he feels like it.

@@kitkat7074 10 days before his death, Cell was literally drinking people. After absorbing #17, he blew up inhabited islands to find #18. He tries to destroy the Earth three times. And when Gohan fails to unleash his power, Cell spanws little critters to kill the Z-fighters. He is very evil.

@@KaiserMattTygore927 I can agree with that. I think Nappa and Raditz were less evil than Cell.

Exactly. Cell is the most irredeemable villain in my opinion outside of Kid Buu