Imagine what would happen if Goten and Trunks not only actually tried, but when in a tournament like the ToP, they bring out their trump card of Gotenks. A Gotenks from not only a Goten/ Trunks who has actually tried, but also actually tries themselves seems pretty scary, even with the limited time they can remain fused.
And the tournament was like less than an Hour if I remember correctly so for the majority of the Tournament they’re going to be in Gotenks which is very dangerous for the other fighters, and for the time where they’re not a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 2 Goten & Trunks is just as scary
It would be absolutely broken, however there is still the risk of the fusion failing. If it does happen we don't have Goten and Trunks in ToP for the rest of the remainder.
Best part is, the time limit thing may not be as much of an issue if there's still a time limit in the ToP and they are able to successfully pull this trump card out towards the end of said time limit.
Goten and Trunks aren’t lazy…. Goten and Trunks literally kept asking their dads over and over again to train/fight. Goku and Vegeta always denied them. Goten and Trunks aren’t lazy. Their fathers just don’t care to train them. Frieza attacks= Don’t tell the kids in the movie and make the kids go home in the anime. U6 Tournament= Not allowed to fight by their own fathers Zamasu= Same thing Tournament of Power= Also denied Moro= Tricked into defending the island
@@BeanBoiYami Exactly. By the time of Uub, Goten and Trunks finally gave up. They were “Screw it. We keep getting denied opportunities to fight, train, and get stronger. Our dads don’t care enough to train us. Let’s do something else.” Then Goku has the nerve to call Goten “lazy”.
I like it. Two small changes- when they get to the kaioken, Trunk's more physical training puts him ahead of Goten at mastering Goku's technique. Then, save SSB2 until later. At the ToP against Jiren, have Trunks take kaioken to a whole new level, and Goten, who is more adept at learning newfe techniques, copy Vegeta's SSB Evolved. This would create some nice room for amazing fun moments and differentiate the two.
Yeah I’m still looking for a good way to differentiate the two in their own ways like what ultra form would they choose or would they go after the beast transformation. The thing is there’s so much options for them that it’s kind of hard to see what they would choose. I don’t want them to keep on following their fathers path to power, but for this part it was the safest option. Might branch out a bit more on the 2nd part of this
I was thinking about that one headcanon where Gravity Training is the path to taking the Kaioken to further heights which is why King Kai’s planet has higher gravity and why Goku could all of a sudden take it to x20 after training in a hundred times gravity. So imagine a Trunks who regularly trains with his dad in 400 or so times gravity and how high he’d be able to take it with blue?
I think a really cool thing that possibly could happen is in the ToP Goku and Vegeta never fused, they are strong together when they fuse but Vegeta has always had that chip in his shoulder for Goku. I think if Goten and Trunks fused in ToP (though they do goof around a lot as Gotenks). They know each other so well and fight so harmoniously together that they could possibly unlock cool perfected blue fusion kinds like Evo
goten and trunks are also the best fighting pair in the group. they know how to work together in a fight far better than any of the others. between their use of fusion, trianing together and even acting as one person during the wmat, plus all their training together in this new series of events, they would likely be strongest when working together.
Yeah they are just good buddies lol. That's where the lost it.. they dont have the saien rage. But a loving energy could easily be just as strong and probably stronger
Man, THANK YOU for this video, bro! 🙏🏾 Fr. Cuz Gotenks is my favorite character! I hope they get some love in the Black Frieza arc, or whatever is next!
Technically Goten and Trunks should have the same potential as Gohan but due to 2 big reason they never live up to their full potential 1. Half Breeds lack the drive to train and test themshelves like Pure Saiyans. Goten and Trunks really only trainned as kids due to having a childs mindset and finding things like flying and shooting lasers cool. 2. Fans weren't really thrilled with Goten so they pushed him more to the side character roll and since he was so integrated with Trunks he got the same treatment
Yeah it’s strange that half breeds aren’t that interested in fighting. You’d think that at least one of them would be the polar opposite of Gohan for example and just be a battle junkie
I wouldn’t necessarily say that they don’t try. Goten and trunks love training. It’s just that their families don’t allow them to train as often as they’d like. Goten especially. Tbh tho idk why they don’t ask their elders to train as they often only train with each other
This is honestly a great video. I think personally goten and trunks should get get there own forms post super Saiyan blue so they could be unique from their dads. I would love to see a part 2 to see how much the Moro arc and superhero would be affected.
Part of the cannon is that Beerus can't Hakai someone who is immortal. He outright says it in the manga, and Goku in the anime says he doesn't think it would work, and Whis indirectly confirms it by suggesting a sealing technique instead.
It's actually been stated that the spirit of the first Legendary Super Saiyan allowed that god ritual to be successful, as he was apparently summoned and absorbed into goku through it. So it can be assumed that this ritual cannot be done ever again.
@@BeanBoiYami Its fake, there is no such thing as "the spirit of the first LSS allowed the god ritual" lol For some reason DB fans love to spread theories as confirmed or stated canon things, but it actualy never happened.
This is why we need a movie like Super Hero for Trunks and Goten, kinda like a combination of three DBZ movies like Broly did (Broly, Fusion Reborn, and Bardock): Cooler's Revenge, Wrath of the Dragon, and Tree of Might. Cooler is chasing Tapion across the universe, who has the other half of the Tree of Might sealed within him; a tree that is said to bear fruit that can turn it's consumer into a God of Destruction. Events play out where Cooler Becomes a God of Destruction, it has an effect on his "Final Form" that makes him appear like a redesign of Cooler's Fifth Form. He faces Gotenks, who actually is able to match up to God of Destruction Cooler as a Super Saiyan 3, Cooler gets desperate, consuming more and more fruit and even going INSIDE the tree to consume its' seeds. This causes Cooler to merge with the Tree itself and becomes a giant Cooler/Tree hybrid, who is also able to manifest bark-like Cooler copies (akin to Cooler in the Big Gete Star) Gotenks then realizes he has no other choice. Gotenks consumes the last Fruit of the Tree of Might... This gives us the first look at what happens when a Saiyan gains the God of Destruction form, with Gotenks gaining an appearance that looks VERY similar to a younger SS4 Gogeta. Gotenks retains his corny personality, cringingly dubbing this form "The Hero of Destruction, Gotenks!" Gotenks creates a new technique that acts as a Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack/Soul Punisher hybrid technique where the Ghosts Possess the Cooler copies, and each Cooler copy and Gotenks attack the Tree of Might Cooler all at once to no avail, with Gotenks then using the Possessed Cooler copies to embrace the Tree Cooler, all detonating at once as Gotenks holds him in place with Godly Halo (Higher level Galactic Donut) After his defeat, Whis congratulates Gotenks on accepting the role of God of Destruction of Universe 7... Gotenks... Is ecstatic, he LOVES this idea. Beerus then says "So this means I can go back to sleep!?" to which Whis confirms, and then Beerus and Gotenks are both celebrating... Then the fusion splits. Whis then says "Well... considering that Gotenks is the new God of Destruction... And now Gotenks technically no longer exists... Then the responsibilities fall back upon the previous God of Destruction", with Goten, Trunks, and Beerus having the wind taken out of their sails. ~The End
I think with Trunks and Goten was to make them like small Goku and gain that audience with them but they lacked what small Goku had. While all 3 had the goofiness part , Goku knew when to get serious and would kill you then take a break plus his moves arent as stupid except for Janken (rock paper scisors) and monkey style but those were tournament goofiness while fighting for your life wasnt.
Janken was still an effective physical attack at the time. Goku caught Ros-I mean Jackie Chun off guard when he mixed up the order of his strikes when Jackie was used to seeing a particular pattern.
I don't think there is an issue with them being serious. They are regularly training together and growing stronger. They are both way more invested in martial arts than Gohan ever was. It actually makes a lot of sense that they'd be held back from getting involved in the conflicts that are what push the others to becoming as strong as they are as, they are very young as there is no way to catch up to the level of threats that are being put out. What could happen instead is to introduce new mid level threats for the younger warriors to face so that they can continue to grow in their own way while the god-tiers are dealing with bigger threats or training. Another problem they have is they know they are strong and very talented. In other words they are arrogant, this was one of their big flaws against boo.
One thing that bothered me its that Raditz was never resurrected. He would love that he became an uncle of strong saiyan kids, and train together with them as family bonding, (yes he kidnap gohan once but in retrospective he only wanted his family back) Plus I believe that Bulla would love Uncle Raditz hair to braid it
Another thing holding them back Trunks and Goten: We wanna help with (insert DBS situation here) Their fathers: No, you're not strong/mature/good enough. If my dad was constantly telling me i wasn't good enough I wouldn't try either.☹️
Also, You missed Gotenks vs Kefla. Which, Gotenks would win, but that'd be an AWESOME fight to view! Also, Ultra Ingo Gotenks oneday would be sick asl!
Frieza being toyed with by Gotanks while in Golden form would be a site to see... imagine hating a whole race of people because they're potentially stronger. Just to achieve what you think is new found strength and have the kids of that race play with you like a toy 😅😂. Major missed opportunity there.
I think it would've been cool to see the Saiyan-Hybrids go down the primal path, but obviously you wanted to follow the normal path of DBS which is fine, but what I don’t understand is why they didn’t tap into SSGSS:E as SSGSS2 doesn't really make much sense but even then whenever they fused they should've gotten SSGSS3 or SSGSS2:E or even SSGSS3:E.
The thing is there’s so many ways for them to go and I was kind of spilt. Just went with my gut. Also I thought about SSB3 for Gotenks, but I think that SSB2 was already a stretch. Not saying isn’t possible though
Idk if its a hot take but i think yamcha is the single most wasted character in the entire series. Yamcha actually has a ton of potential. By the time the cell saga comes around yamcha was strong enough to have been able to completely body the likes of raditz and the saibamen with ease and i think he would have even been able to take nappa down at least. Maybe even have gone toe to toe with saiyan saga vegeta.
Goten and trunks could for sure get the power of Blue with training. However, for sure they would not be mature and disciplined enough to master kaioken. So I doubt they would even want to get it. Knowing them, they would follow a different path, and most likely use the Ascended style form (at least for trunks) or mix Super saiyan 2/3 ki with Blue.
Goten and Trunks never trained because they were forbidden to. They were also forbidden to train with any professional fighters stronger than them. One time, Goten wanted to go with Goku and Whis to Berrus' planet to get stronger, but Chi Chi didn't allow it. I'm not sure about Trunks' end, but it's a guarantee it's the same answer.
One thing that could be changed is that goten and trunks fuse after the 15 minutes of the tournament go on so they will keep a permanent fusion until the end of the tournament (Since the TOP was only 45 minuts long in earth time)
n1 wasted character - Android 18 (After 17 did so much she felt like a hold back but I wish we could see more) n2 - The humans (Tien - Krillin) (Roshi isnt here cus he has done his role. Tho I love seeing roshi being badass) n3 - Hit (He had the potential to grow immensely but the show decided to forget about it) I didnt mention goten and trunks because ofc they are the obvious top pick. And lowkey, I would LOVE to see videl fight more. This is just my personal view on it, but seeing the female cast grow would make the show so much nicer (If well done of course)
can't see trunks or goten wanting to learn kaioken, especially since vegeta never bothered. the 5th path to power doesn't really make sense, but good vid overall, really wish trunks and goten got more screen time and were properly developed, toriyama shoulda followed thru with the passing of the torch to them
I honestly want to see videl get back into fighting. Maybe spar with pan now that she's a little older Her and piccolo doing the skirmish with pan while Gohan finishes his fhucking ant paper
The boys should learn instant transmission from King Kai as well because remember in Dragon Ball Z when King Kai found out that Goku learned instant transmission he’s like oh, I could’ve taught you that when you were here the first time
They should have em grow a tail and get SSJ4. Goku and Vegeta went the way of the Gods, Gohan has his own thing going on and they could get SSJ4. Or at least let Gotenks have access to it and it can be their trump card.
I feel like a master Roshi can get like a ultimate form like ultra ego or ultra instinct rap pipe or ultimate form maybe you can have like a black hole or like a orange or a vet would be sick
I think it would be better if Goten and Trunks switched Masters for more interesting results, Goten would be less soft and Trunks would gain allot of discipline, if two boys train with their fathers then they would eventually hit a roadblock that'll stop them from growing stronger
Your ssgss(blue) theory is the same as mine. But imagine if their final potential was ssgss3 which means blue with long hair (ssj3) , that would be nuts ! And along with Kaioken maybe they would even get True Blue on top of Blue ssj3. Absolutely Nutty , but I would like to think this would be their final imit as making them too powerful doesn't suit the story.
Beerus would have Whis give him a special sword to seal away Fused Zamasu since he admitted that he can't kill immortals. And without Future Zeno, there won't be a exhibition match. Jumping straight to the Tournament of Power. Everything else is fair game.
If goten and trunks had the God ki if they did fusion they transform into ssj blue only in their fusion mode like they did when they went ssj 3 for the 1st time
I hope if Goten gets an arc I hope we see less turtle style and maybe bring back some power pole and martial arts as he was trained primarily by chi-chi. I don’t want to trade Goku for Goku Jr. Maybe give Goten a version of the Dragon Fist move
i thought the whole point was that vegeta and goku fought as hard as hard as they do so their sons dont have to and can enjoy life after gohan's troubled past
Man, if goten and trunks were realy that close to gokus and vegetas power levels, I think its safe to assume that the "SSB2 40x kaioken gotenks" would most likely wipe the flor with jirens face easily. Just imagine an hypotetical ssb2 vegeto, Jiren wouldnt stand a chance against that much power, not even close, vegeta himself stated that jiren wasnt that much stronger than him and goku, this fusion would absolutely crush him without any doubt.
Goten and Trunks clearly work harder than any other character, seeing as they passed nearly the entire cast of Dragonball. Hard work deserves a good rest. Also, does it occur to anyone how bad a teacher Goku is? He hasnt taught anyone spirit bomb, Kayoken, or instant transmission. Seriously, nobody learned the power multiplier?
Trunks and goten are slept on as it was said in the series when a saiyan gets stronger and knocks up the misso naturally the child is stronger look at gohan natural, after everything happened goku got stronger again chi chi had another serving then bang gotan. Both trunks and gotan where super saiyan again at an even younger age. Love to see them do something like they did with gohan to those boys
I always wonder what if dragon ball focuses on the next generation of characters. Literally growing up with the fans of the franchise. The only c I critique I have to say is that the two would run into a roadblock. Since both of their bodies are young, the two would have a hard time attaining and increasing the Kaioken. Aside from that, everything else is wonderful and well thought out☺
Thr only change id make is taking roshi out of the T.O.P, since Roshi has a key moment in the manga that leads to Goku going to UI Sign against Jiren. Id take 18 out since she would probably stsy behind to take care of her daughter.
"It can be argued that Vegeta and goku aren't good teachers" Dude in the cell saga he literally taught his son Gohan to turn super saiyan and become stronger than him in less than a year when he was only 10💀
