What if I fought in UFC 1 instead of Royce Gracie? 

This had me cracking up.

Jon Johnes got nothing on my f+4 ZEN cancels

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That's so cool to hear.

He was a legit pro boxer...in 93 the knowledge of how to fight in no rules was very basic hence the comedic single glove.

Yeah but he is a joke in the boxing community, never was a world champion never beaten a former world champion or any other type of elite boxer lost his 7th fight by TKO against a bum with a record of 2:2 and won against guys with losing records such as 1: 24, 12: 27 and 8:28.

@@robertsothmann8110 Journeyman boxer with a record of 33:18 is legit yikes who lost all his last 9 fights by TKO, the Gracie's knew what type of Boxer to Cherry pick to make bjj look godly

damn that would be weird to see for the first time.

@@ky-passley4769 It was awesome to see for the first time. 🙂

Same. I was a kid then and had no idea you could do that

Saw an interview with Severn where he said that he could've escaped that triangle but it would've involved slamming Gracie on his head/neck and he didn't want to take the chance of crippling Gracie. Don't know how true that is but its cool insight.

@@chrismaynard8600 That sounds like an excuse since he was happy to back suplex an opponent on the back of his head/neck earlier that night and we’ve seen plenty of people taking slams from an attempted triangle in other fights since then without serious injury. Interesting to hear though.

Well Shamrock should have won by disqualification as soon as Royce used his Gi. Weapons weren’t allowed, they told Shamrock he can’t use his shoes as it’s a weapon. UFC1 was a sham.

Both would’ve been far more representatives of Karate more so than BJJ, and with Bas even Muay Thai had more impact than that did, butI know you guys love to steal the credit from other martial artist like GSP

@@DADRB0B55 I don't know what you mean by this? I was more thinking that Bas would have probably won UFC 1, assuming he didn't match up with Shamrock, and if Royce didn't win, there is no UFC.

@@ArtworkByBoneless I mean Bas would have been experienced in many styles, Bjj is one but even styles that people discredit in mma like karate and boxing heavily contributed to Rutten and other well rounded fighters, although yeah Ken might still smash.. if he had his wrestling shoes

Bas was not a BJJ practitioner at the time. He trained in Shooto Japanese Catch. Bas would have beat Royce but lost to Shamrock.

@@AztecUnshaven Pretty much my thought too. I actually said he'd probably have won, as long as he didn't get matched up with Shamrock. His shoot boxing and understanding of positioning would have been enough to utilize his 60 lbs weight advantage and massive reach on Royce.

I bet I could beat 1993 Royce in grappling. He had some major flaws in his game back then.

@@RamseyDewey For example? I'm genuinely asking since I'm not knowledgeable enough to notice them.

@@bradanderson4192 Royce had no leglock game, because BJJ at the time *almost* considered it cheating. (Kind of like in Muay Thai in Thailand elbows are legal but historically seen as a bit sketchy... most fight wouldn't use elbows at all, unless someone starting throwing them and then everybody would start throwing elbows) This was intended to reduce injuries, because the Thai dudes fight 50 times per year.

Bellator & ONE fighters are pretty solid. UFC isn't "the best of the best", UFC just have more good fighters than One and Bellator... There are still guys there that could easily beat Top 5 UFC's fighter.

MMA was at its peak and the fighters were at their most skilled when the Greeks were training the world with Pankration. The first and only MMA of this planet came from the Greeks and it's called Pankration.

He’s one of the good ones!

@@RamseyDewey I'm gonna try to start making trips to visit various BJJ channels, he's on the list for sure

Onassis fought in UFC 7 beating a wrestler.

@@Edwardjohnfearn He fought and won two fights in the UFC. He fought in the Russian MMA organization afterwards.

@@AztecUnshaven I saw the videos of all three fights some years ago beat the wrestler Francesco Maturiago and Pavel Byshiv( I think a taekwondo fighter). Ricardo Morais was a monster though 122.47 KG and 6'8 foot tall.

that is you .

*most people

I don't know, I think most modern decent mma fighters would basically tear through them. People have just gotten to much better, the sport has evolved incredibly quickly.

do some googling and you will find this not to be the case. The "gracie strategy" was to make loads of money, which worked well.

Royce didn't do anything wrong, mma just didn't exist in it's modern form back then. Fighters like Ramsey or any other modern mma fighter have a multitude of skills standing and on the ground, but most importantly they have the transitions from one to the other. Also stamina is determined by how often you have done a movement, so mma fighters nowadays would outlast the competitors back then as they've spent an incredible amount of time going through the movements necessary for mma. And then last but not least, knowledge accumulates over time, even a lot of fans nowadays know more about mma than most fighters back then, for the simple fact that mma didn't exist back then.

That's a good question I love it I might have to steal that video idea lol you can literally make any fighting style work with the right super powers (including no touch) I love super speed as a power to pair with martial arts because if you have a big enough speed advantage over someone you can do pretty much whatever you want to them

There’s always a chance!

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Bill Wallace told many lies about that. Ken Shamrock did know Wrestling, using the Gi was allowed since it was a No Hold Barred competition, Royce Gracie fought Kimo Leopoldo in his first fight.

@@aluisiofsjr cool. I still haven't gotten around to watching ufc 1 myself, so all I can do is say what I've heard and ask others' opinions.

@@aluisiofsjr Sure it was a set up and also Royce was in every possible steroids. He was even caught later in his fight Life.

​@@jaymthesn5981 , LMAO. Royce Gracie on roids in earliest UFCs? lol So he take very bad steroids because he was never strong or in great shape...

@@aluisiofsjr Just a quick reminder that Anderson Silva was caught on steroids as well who wasnt very muscular either. There are many ways to enhance a fighters performance. Better endurance, speed, better recovery during training etc.. Muscle mass is only one of them.

A completely untrained person has a much better chance of kicking a BJJ black belt in the wedding tackle than he has of rushing from a distance and tackling some fit boxer to the ground IMHO. When you write "tackle" I'm assuming you're talking about someone accelerating football style and crashing against the other person. You have time to react if somebody bum rushes you like that (there's actually a famous video where this incredibly athletic TKD guy jumps over a big guy Tekken style who bum rushes him in the octagon*) but if a regular gym guy sucker punches the olympic judo champion on the street I'm putting my money on the regular gym guy who has done bag work. Any normal person will close their eyes, turn their head and take the punch unless they are a boxer; punches happen scary fast. If somebody grabs you, you are not in pain or peril and can use your muscle or strikes to escape. *Sadly because of the massive weight mismatch the TKD guy was badly hurt afterwards but to this day that's possibly the most incredible athletic feat I have seen on video relating to martial arts. There's a move in Tekken 3 where the Chinese woman fighter jumps over the opponent and kicks them in the back of the neck on her way down. It seems cartoonish and highly unrealistic but this TKD guy did it for real. It would be an easier feat for a callous and cold blooded person to jump on the head of someone who went for a double leg and possibly paralyze or kill them.

@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 tao of jkd has many takedowns used in MMA: double/single leg takedowns, judo trips and throws, jab to takedown, etc. Lee trained with champion wrestlers and judokas, like Gene Labell. When two boxers get into a street fight they often clinch and then the fight turns into a grappling fight

@@edstringer1138 yeah sure I'd agree with that, but I'm saying Bruce had a good takedown and grappling game, according to the excellent grapplers he trained with; so Bruce would have quite the few advantages, especially over a pure boxer back in the day. Not just in striking, but in grappling too

who is us?

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed just referring to the guys who are proud to say they can beat a woman. Don't take it too seriously 😉

Women getting abused in the past was not as common as it is today. Things got worse. They didn't get better.

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed it's not how I see things. I think the world has never been as safe as now and people have never been as afraid as now. Don't forget domestic abuse. Men used to own women and they could kill their wifes with little to no repercussions. It's still like this in some places but it's not the rule anymore. Home can be the most dangerous place for women and kids (and some men of course).

The stories you have heard are all nonsense. The best relationships I can think of are the ones in the past. My grandparents, my parents. The world was definitely a better place in the past, especially for women. The whole idea of family has been destroyed. A mother figure does not exist anymore. If you can't see this, then you are lying to yourself. The role of a woman is non-existent. That has brung a lot of confusion amongst men. Chivalry does not exist. Women traded it off for their so-called freedom. W omen lack the common sense and logic a man does You see, there's an old story where there was a snake trying to give an apple to a man but he couldn't trick the man. The reason why we're living in this crazy world today is because the w oman is easy to manipulate and trick. The elite running the world not only wanted to divide us in sexes, They wanted to double the income tax population by killing two birds with a pebble. And enslaving our w oman taking them away from their children. The only way we can take back anything is if w omen realize they were free before

Yes and no. You can maintain stamina and refine basic skills like your basic punches but you won’t have anyone checking your bad habits if you are training them and you need to constantly be sparring other people to keep your reactions and reaction time up to speed. Shadow boxing can only do so much, nothing is quite like having a real opponent in front of you.

I pretty much agree with what the other guy said you can definitely maintain your skills and depending on some of your mental traits you can even improve I recommend doing film studies study the film of boxers that have a similar style to you / to what you're trying to become or have something you wanna add to your style and study them and add there movements into your shadowboxing and heavy bag work I think with enough devotion you can definitely get better training only at home (especially if you can fin da friend to spar with even just light sparring) but training at an actual boxing gym is superior also if you can record your self shadowboxing or hitting the bag and think if you fought you what would you do to exploit your openings and whatever openings you find fix them

He beat sakuraba when he was 40 and shamrock in a trilogy at 50

@@oldironsides4107 Important to note that his opponents were old as hell too when he fought them. Van Clief fought a guy over 26 years younger.

Sure. People who don’t fight don’t know what a fight is like. Obviously. Why are talking about this?

Going by your career in no world would you beat most of these guys. Severn would probably plug your nose and cover your mouth and kill you. All 140 lbs of you. Fighters are knocking you out and submitting you and your there only win in there career. Link us a fig mgt where you showed any durability at all. It’s disrespectful to claim you are now so good but when you fought you were terrible. Video reminded me of frank dux

@@oldironsides4107 wait where did I say anything about fighting these guys? I’m referring to the jiu jitsu guys that only do jiu jitsu then try to apply only what they know in a street fight no where did I say anything about being better then these guys

Yup. They allowed Royce to cheat and took Shamrocks shoes away.

Ken is either mistaken or just plain lying. Watch the fight again. It was clearly not a gi choke. It was a standard rear naked choke. And they did not take Ken's shoes away. There was a rule about shoes. You were allowed to wear them, but if you chose to do so, you were not allowed to kick. Ken could've worn the shoes. Art Jimmerson wore shoes.

Hahaha! It was legal back then!

Ken Shamrock did not got that heelhook because Royce Gracie did a very basic defense on that.

@@aluisiofsjr completely true, but I'm sure you can see from the footage that the defense was made somewhat easier by a technical error on Ken Shamrock's part in the heat of the moment. I'm asking about a hypothetical alternate universe in which Shamrock had executed that heelhook with Gordon Ryan levels of ability, or even just gotten lucky with it, and won. I'm really just asking what would have happened if Shamrock won by any means, rather than the likelihood of that happening, but the heelhook seemed like a good moment to single out as a potential point that could have plausibly gone differently for the purposes of a counterfactual.

He should have won that fight. No weapons were allowed, so they told Shamrock not to use his shoes, then Royce uses his Gi to choke him. UFC1 was setup to favour the Gracies so they could make money and gain fame. It has no credibility.

There were no banner moves in UFC1

There were no banned moves in UFC1

@@RamseyDewey Who is this banner guy and what makes his moves so great? Stay safe and sane Mr Dewey

@@RamseyDewey And, the only reason I don’t take grappling classes is because of a chronic neck injury, there’s too much chance of serious damage I wish there was a way to at least become familiar with grappling without that risk I’ve studied and practiced fighting only for self defense, for decades, (late stage JKD post WingChun) but I would be WAY over my head with a grappler if my initial strikes failed,

Dewey was destroyed by fighters who only won a fight against him. He only beat one guy who ever won a fight. Alll theae early ufc guys were tough. Something Dewey never showed in any fight

@@oldironsides4107 how do you know? there are videos of Ramsey fighting?

Who else is asking this?

@@RamseyDewey i heard it on a Dan the wolfmans channel mate, i don't know why

@@brockgangell5759 Is he that guy with the channel where every video is him sitting in a chair talking about how every martial arts RU-vidr sucks except him? Hahaha! Yep, it is. This guy tags me in every single video he makes. Wait a minute… didn’t that used to be the Catchjitsu channel? What the heck happened to that guy??? Wow, that went from being funny to sad really quick. Now I feel bad for him. The dude used to make good technique videos.

@@RamseyDewey yep haha you 100% got it hes been challenging you and others all youtubers who don't seem to be anywhere near him lol! I thought you'd get a laugh out of it thats why I had to bring it up since he talks so much, shame he was a reputable fighter back in he's day like lots of ex mma fighters who diss other Martal Artists... Glad you got a laugh mate have a good one from Western Australia Edit and yes he does have great technique videos.

I weigh about 215 lbs

Those were some big boys in the early UFC events.

I say this while subbing all my opponents so far No way I would leave in a stretcher

I was not in my physical prime back then. I would dance circles around that guy now. Are you kidding me?

Also, that fight record is not accurate.

@@RamseyDewey Both good to know. That is why I asked as information listed can often be inaccurate. That's simply what Tapology and other MMA sources has your record as. Of course when I'm talking prime I'm discussing your physical youth. If you're in better shape now than in your 20s or 30s fair enough.

So… an average roll with a typical white belt, huh?

@@RamseyDewey I'd argue my boy Dan is a wrestler of 120 kg and some proficency, but what you said in the video is very true - anything can happen in a fight for either side.

@@RamseyDewey he is a dan severn sized white belt though...

Figuereido would whoop your ass. So does Kaira France. Also they're 125lbs for like a minute for the weight ins.

False. Kimo was bigger than Wang Guan, not tougher. Wang Guan was a Chinese national sanda champion, national kickboxing champion, and a UFC veteran, at the time I fought him he was 14-0 in professional MMA with 14 wins by knock out. Kimo was a big dude fighting a guy with crappy wrestling skills trying to pull guard on him.

Yeah this dude is delusional

Not so funny thing is, UFC thinks its alright

That depends on your target

@@RamseyDewey If it's to the head ?

@@RamseyDewey Also, how would fighting in a square shaped cage affect the sport of mixed martial arts as opposed to an octagon or circle shaped cage or a boxing ring ?

@@someboi4903 I don't know about that but I'd love to see mma in an enclosed space

Tank Abbot didn’t fight in UFC1.

I think he’d beat Royce but might struggle against Ken Shamrock.

@@eveningstar7812 yeah, I think it would be interesting especially if he had some period of time to train and could train for it specifically for that, given his work ethic. Just so long as he doesn't get on any flights on the way there. But yeah I think that it'd be very interesting. Cuz a lot of people have like speculated about what Mike Tyson would have been like in MMA probably cuz of his ferocity or whatever but they've all speculated that he be like a really prime striker and I think that given the right training I think you could actually be a pretty dangerous grappler he's got a lot of power and he's got that that bill that at least when I was wrestling guys that were built like that were scary

@@eveningstar7812 and so you think his best ofds would be if he replaced Ken shamrock then

@@davidpeters6743 Yes because other than Royce, Ken was the only true mixed martial artist and was a bit bigger than Royce, just lacked the grappling, but was still a good wrestler.

@@eveningstar7812 Seems right to me. I do think that Royce having done a lot of sparring with people from other traditions gave him a really enormous advantage.

It would create a space time paradox that would tear the universe apart!

Read the title of the video.

@@RamseyDewey my bad

I don't think so. We have seen enough evidence of male bodybuilders doing friendly matches against male black belts. The only way those women could somewhat conveniently hurt male bodybuilders is by biting and groin kicks and the like. Martial arts are not magic; in a messy room with no rules and no space for fancy tricks NFL players could beat male UFC fighters. If a man has to sweat for minutes and get into convoluted positions to "destroy" (barely win) a male bodybuilder then women are out of luck. If barely winning while going red in the face and being sore for a week afterwards is "mauling" I can only imagine that the martial arts community has invented more words to describe cases where the MA fighter is not struggling against someone 'untrained'. Also those jujitsu sparring matches are mostly about being the best at finding very unconventional and sometimes inconvenient ways to make someone submit. I'd much rather have the worst strongest 115 lb black belt twist my fingers and grab my throat than any decent arm wrestler over 200 pounds who can win some local competitions. It does not take much skill to bang someone's head against the concrete floor or crank their neck with everything you have; it's all about height and muscle and you don't have to look for a convient leverage position forever. You just grab and go to work. But in judo, BJJ you avoid all the obvious stuff that would end a fight quickly and try to wiggle yourself into an unconventional victory. I'm not saying it's wrong or ineffective; they are impressive athletes in their own right and it does not hurt to know all those moves but it's a bit disingenious to imply that some massive stud is "helpless", "destroyed" or other hyperbolic terms because they cannot safely and gently wiggle a smaller person into a position approved of in that sport. It's hard enough to wash a resisting cat as any decent person will try to do it gently without hurting the cat but if all you had to worry about was cleaning the animal's fur (with no regard for its well-being) they could just squeeze the life out of the cat to overcome resistance and then wash it. Now how would a female chess master or figure skater do against an untrained 200 lb guy? She would maul for real because those sports are not based on strength and height. A female salsa champion could also effortlessly outdance a 200 pound man without breaking sweat, struggling for minutes and going red in the face and almost having to go to hospital. A tiny guy or a woman can train all his or her life in something they don't have the genetics to be a top dog in and barely win someone untrained or they could have gone into dancing at a young age and dominate for real.

@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 A bodybuilder is a trained athlete and very strong. They also always get beat by even Blue belts so long as they're not more than 30% larger. They'll get beat by a black belt even if they're 2x larger. There are videos of bodybuilders & powerlifters winning grappling matches, but that's because they actually train submission grappling.

I was trying to be humble in this video, but dude… 1993 Ken Shamrock had a very rudimentary leg lock game compared to most submission grappling novices today.

@@RamseyDewey Then he’d probably just stretch you out and g and p you. Six one, half a dozen the other.