What If James Kept The Invisibility Cloak | Harry Potter Film Theory 

They already made “What if Crookshanks successfully killed Wormtail” I feel like that’s the same premise

​@@GrandmasterFivebut (as far as i remember) in that situation Scabbers still goes to Egypt and appears in the photo, which prompts Sirius's escape. Scabbers dying 2 years before that could be a huge change

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@@wolverinefangowings you’re definitely right. I do give you that.

Sirius never escapes

You are kind of right but spells just don't work on it no master thing.

@@blankahegyi5561incorrect. Only summoning charms don’t work

I like this one. I would like to see this what if as well. 😊

Good idea!

I would love to see this one!

I think this is what would have happened if James still had the cloak since Lily's letter to Sirius says that James wanted to sneak out, but couldn't because he didn't have the cloak.

Survivor's guilt would lie heavily on James.

Voldemort would have gone and killed the Longbottoms after he couldn’t find Harry.

true, but he said Voldemort canceled all Death Eater activity. plus, Dumbledore would likely be the secret keeper of the Longbottoms

this isnt about neville

Weren’t they tortured before Harry’s parents were killed?

@@EmberAlexander-x5h no, they were tortured after Voldemort vanished, because Bellatrix thought they might know where the dark lord had disappeared to. but since in this story, Voldy pulled back all his death eaters, no need for them to be attacked

Oh yeah what about Sirius? Maybe they’ll cover him if they do a part 3 on Prizoner

Wait nvm I got to the end and realized they skipped over that

I would really like to have Sirius be included into this

Interesting questions to be sure. And if Sirius never went to Azkaban, wouldn't he have asked for custody of Harry as was clearly Lily and James's wish?

In Kings Station after Harry's "death" by Voldemort, Harry says to Dumbledore, "you never killed when you could avoid it" and Dumbledore affirms that statement. Thus we know that Dumbledore HAS killed before. We also know that Dumbledore investigated Dark Magic and was able to surmise Voldemort's creation of horcruxes, thus revealing that Dumbledore must have had extensive understanding of that magical deed. I think that Dumbledore HAD a horcrux, probably Fauxe, but felt so much remorse that his soul was healed.

*Sirius

Oooooh, good point! That would make it very interesting if a “graveyard scene” happened later on.

Harry’s wand 100% chose Harry due to his connection to voldy... this is canon

Yes, I always think they forget this. But I guess it could be said the connection still exists because of the prophecy, so if wants really are sentient then it would always know that it belonged to Harry. But that's just me covering plot holes for this what if.

The phoenix wand definitely wouldn't have chosen Harry if it wasn't for the part of Voldemort's soul in him

What they could do to fix this is have Barty Crouch Jr. not just take Harry's wand but break it. Then he has to go get a new one and the phoenix wand will choose him then.

I feel like Harry would be much more ambitious and cocky, maybe something like young Serious. Albus would see the young self and become more power hungry again, like old self. I have no Serious argument why i think that, just my thoughts.

​@@klemen96SIRIUS. NOT SERIOUS.

He only left him with the Dursley’s to keep the protective magic. Or I think he would have

The house is protected. In the blacks house you can not disapparate. They always go outside with the cloak and disapparate under it. The potters house should have the same restrictions.

You need a wand to disapparate as implied by Hermione in the attack on the Ministry of Magic. Lily didn't have her wand. No disapparation, regardless of protections on the house.@@hackfleischking5162

I always thought he just guessed they were there and did homenum revelio or whatever, or maybe just heard them because he was listening for them.

I always figured that Dumbledore couldn't see Harry and Ron through the cloak but he could just sense the clock since he studied its magical properties.

@@rahulkochar5577 that’s fair. Peeves couldn’t see through the Cloak, but he could still tell the trio was there when they were sneaking to the Sorcerers Stone. The only difference is whereas Peeves could only sense someone was around, Dumbledore looked DIRECTLY at Harry & Ron

I think he just knew they were there because he used homenum revelio, he couldn't actually see them.

Malfoy also found Harry and stunned him in the 6th book on the train.

That would be an amazing theory

I think she would still put him before herself. She's not the one that needs to be protected.

@@coolnerdlll6053 Very true. But I think it still comes down to how much time James can buy them.

I was about to write that too!

​@coolnerdlll6053 if the cloak makes them unfindable, why wouldn't she just stay under the clock with Harry

However, in the moment, she would have no reason to believe that Harry would survive by himself, or that anyone would find him, so going with him could be seen as protection. She would do it for Harry, to raise him, not to save herself.

Yeah just blast a bunch of killing curses everywhere or just leave witouth commotion and hope no one finds Harry and he starves to death. And more likely the cloack would not distract Harry so much that even tho thats the only thing that changes he would not start crying and than Voldemort would easily find him.

They keep wandering around for ages clueless

​@@youtubeSuckssNowRemember, according to the prophecy, Harry and Voldemort are going to meet at some point and one kills the other. How does it happen?

@@coolnerdlll6053 i mean, they can't run forever. Just like in the story, they eventually got caught by snatchers. When they get caught they get brought to him or the ministry. They are clueless until that point in time. Eventually they could figure out one of the other ones but there is really no telling, the whole story kinda depends on them ending up there.

Much longer series that way. They just got lucky.

I've always thought of this premise, but how about, what if Dudley was a muggleborn?

@@carolinpetersen6894 that would be amazing

Except the protection would never even have taken place. Lily would not get the chance to die for harry. Voldemort would have killed her anyways if he couldnt find harry out of anger. Because remember, the protection happens only because voldermort tells lily to step aside and she is given a choice to survive, but she refuses to. And also the fact that the cloak does not protect from spells since draco could petrify harry in the train in the half blood prince.

The problem with this idea(while interesting) is that Tom, like you, takes the prophecy too seriously. Prophecies don't happen because 'fate dictated it' but because that choices people make, I could go into details on how the prophecy would still come true even if it wasn't stated but instead I'll focus on a different topic. The reason the prophecy happens is because of Tom's believes and actions, his pride and arrogance is what pushed him to confront harry in the first place because he believes in it( Ironically). He would never allow someone else to be seen as his equal so he will make sure that he will be the one to kill harry and no one else because in his eyes if someone else killed the person who could kill him then it would make them seemed the more powerful and Tom would never allow that. The reason it comes back to Harry and Neville is because they are the two only wizards born on the 31 of July and the prophecy took place before that date so they know that only those two infants were born that day. Sure a Muggle could of been born on that date or maybe a foreign witch or wizard but the problem is the other criteria 'parents who've thrice defied him' and only the potters and longbottoms did. Also side note, if you honestly think that Tom would've been run over by a car accidentally then you've never red the book or even payed any attention. I feel like your 'what ifs' are interesting as concepts but have no logical way to happen given the circumstances we are working with.

@@JoshuaB1194 Thanks for the lengthy reply! Nice to see someone formulate theor thoughts out, instead of just writing "Nope" or some hateful comment. Yeah, Voldemort getting run over was just hyperbole. Like, the most ridiculous thing ever, that I could think of - although, on a side note, stuff like that does happens due to prophecies, like Perseus of Greek mythology being prophecised to kill king Acrisius, who therefore does everything he can to make sure that baby wont even be born, only for Perseus to later in life throw a discus that just so happens to hit him on the head out of fate or coincidence. I know what you mean with "people make prophecies happen", but I think thats the problem, with Harry Potter not always being so clear about how prophecies work. I mean, not every prophecy works the same. In greek mythology for example, there is no escape from a prophecy - regardless of what you do, ins one way that prophecy will always come true. But then there are other kinds of prophecies, which are just 'suggestions' which can be altered, if you simply avoid the thing thst is prophecised - for example, you are to die on a specific day, by a specific cause and if you avoid that cause, you'll live, a bit like in final destination for example. Then there are prophecies, that aren't things that are set in stone, but rather a thing that simply will happen in a certain way, due to people making it that way - in Lord of the Romgs, the Witch-King of Angmar, is a perfect example for such a prophecy. He isn't unkillable by anyone who is male, it was just foreseen, that he will 100% will be slain not by a man and on a different day than the one the prophecy was prophecised. The elven lord who made that prophecy wanted to save the life of the last king of Arnor and therefore told him not to sacrifice his life by chasing after him, by telling him that prophecy. And in the end, he was killed by a woman and a Hobbit, so neither by a man nor a human working alone, since Merry stabbing the Witch-King with that special blade, made him even vulnerable, thus fulfilling the prophecy. Getting back to Harry Potter, what kind of prophecy is this? Is this an unchangable one? Is it merely a suggestion? Or is it a vague thing that could happen in any way, but definitly will come true in that particular way? We simply dont know. Thats why I think taking the prophecy out of it, would change stuff up, in a nice way. By not having to result back to Harry or Neville eventually taking down Voldemort, we can have a few, newer, interesting things happen. But maybe its just me being frustrated with the Carlin brothers theories not always really making sense. This one for example or especially the Neville one: Why would voldemort stop, just because the wizard who might take him down hasn't been killed yet? I think he more or less would carry on, but focus on finding that chosen one and then killing them. All in all, I think you definitly are right in saying, that Tom Riddle is causing his own downfall in the official story. He does after all do literally everything, that you shouldn't do, if you want to live forever. Anyway, it was nice talking to you! Nice to see someone respect a different opinion and not attacking different views.

Yeah, he should do something like that like the series, If Harry Was In Slytherin

Would that much be different besides relationship drama stuff?

Yea, I have a question tho, Is James’ middle name Harry? If so, the girl version of Harry should have lily’s middle name.

​@@kpopnimation I agree 👍 Other than some slight differences in interactions and love interests, I can't see this changing the story or plot very much at all, just as the gender of your character in video games usually doesn't really change any important details either.

LOVE this! Headcanon accepted! ❤😎

You do know how much time the potters had once Tom showed up, right? He was literally busting down their door when he caught them unawares. The only reason Liiy made it to the nursery is because of James's trying to delay him. Imagine if a killer busted down your front door and held a gun in his hand to kill you and you weren't prepared for it and tried to run, tell me how it would go for you.

Can you tell me how would all three of the hide under it for more than 4 seconds between them dissapearing and Voldemort shooting the killing curse at the place he saw them dissapear?

Yup, when they apparatus into Hogsmeade in Deathly Hallows a death eater tries to summon the cloak

Yeah, but what if LIly survived? Would Snape still have switched sides?

James would never been able to be the sacrifice because Tom never intending to spare him. Lily was given the choice to live because snape begged Tom to spare her and he complied, sure to us it doesn't seem like much of a choice but it was a choice she made knowing she would die. James was never given that choice.

Would he have been able to find Peter, though? After all, Peter would have been able to hide behind the death eaters this time because Voldemort didn’t fall.

This was my first thought as well

Not at all, even invisibility and presence concealment is useless if you were already seen, or at least known you were there. Draco is smart so knowing that something is above him unseen is more then enough to guess that harry is there, 5 years of contesting him will do that.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@JoshuaB1194The situation with Draco was my first thought as well. Personally I’m not satisfied with this explanation for trying to support SCB theory. It would imply Draco is smart enough to know that Harry is there on a hunch, but Voldemort wouldn’t be smart enough to believe or know that Harry was in a heavily guarded house with his parents? Voldy is far more knowledgeable and experienced so it shouldn’t be an issue and you’d better believe he’d still have killed his parents and wouldn’t have left til he found Harry anyways.

@@jonathansibert8079 The difference between Draco's situation and Tom's situation is that Draco knew that Harry owns an Invisibility Cloak while Tom(as far as we know) doesn't know that the Potter own one. Tom might be very powerful and cunning but he's not infallible, he can be tricked.It's rare, no doubt but it can happen. Draco is smart and talented the book just simply doesn't give it justice, though we do have examples. His plan to get the DE into the castle is very clever and he did it mostly on his own, he performed the protean charm that Hermione cast in the last book and she was admired for it, it is implied that he would of gotten into NEWT potions even before Slughorn took over, and many more so yeah it is absolutely possible that he would discovered Harry.

@@jonathansibert8079 Harry acidentaly made a sound Draco saw his shoes so Harry was just bad at hiding.

Great reference

I get it

His parents might still die. The order will still be active searching for voldemord.They might even try to torture the location of harry out of them.

@@hackfleischking5162 That’s a fair point. I was thinking more in terms of the death eaters going underground, but I think you’re right.

@@kylecollins3755 yeah I like this video but I have to disagree in the point that death eaters would just hide. The reason they got caught was that their leader vanished and the organization broke apart. Some death eaters became traitors. If voldemort isn't gone he has years to prepare for the fight. He already has people in the ministry under the imperious curse. Additionally he knows that harry will become more dangerous the older he gets. Taking him out has the highest priority.

They did a series on that already. Just look at their playlists and you will find that!

Anyone can master the wand by winning it from the previous owner, that's it's whole point.

@@elinakeranen4499 anyone could use the cloak, but it works extra well for Harry. Any wizard can use any wand. I’m just curious if a descendent of Antioch would have better luck with the wand even if they didn’t win it. Much like Hermione’s wand was more compatible with Harry than the blackthorn wand.