What If Poland Betrayed Ukraine? | Alternate History 

Poland has been beyond exceptional, especially when considering Ukrainian nationalists in the past massacred Polish civilians, with Ukraine still praising figures who led those actions like Bandera.

Poles now see Ukrainians as Poles from 1939 - this emotion is super strong, not very well understood in the west that sees WWII through american movies perspective where war is basically fun action and american hero is untouchable, can do some Rambo stuff with german tanks. The perspective in Poland is radically different. This is why Poland will never backstab Ukraine. That would be like spitting in the memory of all those millions who died during WWII.

Interesting scenario, but hardly a possibile one. No one in Poland, maybe except a very small numer of radicals, would be in favour of such an invasion. It would cause mass desertions in Polish army and protests all across the country, as Poles have grown to be very supportive of Ukraine since 2014, and even more so since the start of the war few months ago.

Everyone: "Poland do the funny" Poland: annexes western Ukraine Everyone: 0_o

A lot of people in the comments don’t see the fact that this is a what if alternate. A lot of it is speculative and fantastical in nature

1:48 - That's a slight mistake, Poland is not europ-skeptic, in fact Polish population is among the highest pro-EU stance among all EU countries. What Poland is skeptic of is the further EU integartion i.e. more power to France and Germany and less power to member states. Why? Because Poland believes that those powers will betray Polish national security and trade it for cheap ennergy and good ties with Russia. Besides that Poland is very pro EU in terms of free movement, trade agreements etc. Unfortunately liberal western media tend to show only Franco-German perspective (POLAND BAD!!11!!! EUROSCEPTIC!!!!) but they rarely talk (actually never) about Polish concerns like for example how will Poland stop France and Germany to sell its security for Russian gas if Poland agrees for them to be the head of the federal EU state?

Poland to Ukraine: "You've made your last application to NATO, kid. Sorry you got twisted up in this scene. From where you're kneeling it must look like an 18 karat run of bad luck. But the truth is...the game was rigged from the start."

Poland to Ukraine in another timeline:

West Ukraine: Thank god! Poland is here to liberate us! Poland: More like under new management.

Stupidity .. Poland would never want the western part of Ukraine full of nationalists against Poland living in Lviv, etc. The same troubles would be associated with it;

When this was first going down, I was wondering about the possibility of Poland invading Ukraine from the West if it looked like they'd fall to Russia, simply to deny as much of Ukraine to Russia as possible, similar to how Britain tried to negotiate a similar deal with France during WWII, with the intention of giving the land back once it's all over. Basically the thought process is that Russia can attack Ukraine's troops just fine, but they can't attack Polish troops (who just so happen to also be in Ukraine also fighting Ukraine) without declaring an offensive war on Poland, invoking Article 5.

This will always be seen as an aggressive move to take territory. In example before ww2 Poland took bits and pieces of land from Countries giving up territory to another country. The only way that something like this could happen is if Ukraine and Poland both wanted to join forces ADAMANTLY. Anything short of that and it will always lead to internal rivalry and disputes. None of which either country needs. I do not live in Poland but I am Polish with friends and family that are Polish (came from Poland and still visit Poland). A lot of individuals are still salty about what Ukrainians did to Polish people in the past however most support Ukraine.

So, where would the Polish/Chinese border be located? 🙂

Could you do a video on a potential balkanised China? Tibet and Xinjiang could get independence but what about other autonomous regions like Inner Mongolia? Some people even go far to talk about an independent Manchuria. Also, pretty much all of china's cities, population and GDP is in the central parts of China, not the Eastern parts that could get independence. Whatifalthist posted a video about china's future collapse, but I think it was farfetched and nowhere near as realistic and fact based as I would like. Would love to hear your thoughts about this. Also, as another topic I would like to suggest is AI and next generation technology. After properly looking into the industrial revolution, it completely changed the way humans worked and lived. Could artificial intelligence and new tech have that same affect on economies like China?

Poland is supposed to be betrayed, not betray others...

I don’t think the Polish government could justify doing to Ukraine what Russia and Germany did to them in WW2 to its people.

Interesting but difficult to imagine. They have millions of Ukrainian refugees and majority support in the population meaning an "occupation" must be seen as protectorate and thus not hostile. I could see it as a method to resettle Ukrainian refugees under Polish/NATO protection but annexation in the classical sense would not be possible (in my opinion).

The idea of a strongly conservative Poland is overblown. The main opposition party is pro EU and relatively liberal.

That will NEVER happen. Koniec kropka, sprawa rozwiązana.

Least insane Monsieur Z video

As a Pole, it's such an unrealistic scenario I dunno where to start. Even as what if. Sure our government is a anti EU integration, but people not so much. There is huge support for the EU in Polish society and the government like this won elections for the entire different reasons. I don't see this eastern western dividein the EU happening either. Poland swaying Austria, Croatia, Czechia into it's sphere of influence. Currently we barely have any sphere of influence and we are more of an outlier in EU policy and our government actions don't make us very popular among other EU members except for maybe Hungary with which we also had a falling out recently. Also we are struggling with disparity in development of eastern parts of our country (insert invest in Eastern Poland meme) and a lot of socio-economic issues. Adding new parts would be a disaster and would probably start huge wave of protest while current governing party is not so high in polls. We are extremely homogenous nation and while helping Ukrainian refugees is one thing forcing them into living here and stealing their independance would be widely unpopular. Not to mention it would absolutely alienate us among our current allies. It would basically end us. Maintaining Ukraine's sovereingty is in Poland's best interest.

A more probable scenario would be that a defeated Ukraine quickly asks for Polish annexation in order to immediately join NATO and the EU, thus saving what’s left of the country. The annexation would likely include the “Ukrainian Voivodeship” as an autonomous region within Poland. Any further advance of Russian troops into “Polish territory” would then risk triggering a NATO response.

What if Pancho Villa had lived to be President at the end of the Mexican Revolution? Perhaps with Emiliano Zapata as head of the military.

Also, Poland wouldn't invade Ukraine. At most, they may send in troops at the request of the Ukrainian government or resistance force but definitely not as an adversary.

Currently, there is no such threat, as Poland is now one of the largest suppliers of weapons to Ukraine, and has already taken in hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian refugees.

Poland kinda cut Ukraine off today said they are done funding & arming them

Someone in Poland failed art class?

No Poland, you where the chosen one!

The last couple videos you have made about Poland misrepresent a crucial detail. Although Poland is a conservative country, and their government is at odds with the EU quite often, it is one of the least europsceptic regions in all of the EU, with only Ireland approving of the EU more. I’m not saying you’re going to find support for European federalism there, but if any region would be open to higher rates of integration among its population it would be Poland.

As a polish slav, I feel strangely offended yet intrigued by this video's existence.

Winged Hussar breathing intensifies

That would be one of the dumbest decisions Poland could possibly make. Is seizing a slice of Ukraine really worth the risk of being expelled from the EU and NATO, as well as the likelihood of economic sanctions from the West???

Gotta love the poles, fought strong against both the nazis and the commies making them some of the most respectable people in history

Poles are not Germans. They are honourable people.

I’m sure this will no controversy ***Grabs Popcorn*** 🍿👍 Guys, this is a what if, chill out and go touch grass.

As a Ukrainian I can say that most of our people like polend and see us as brother, so we will rather be a puppet of Poland, and a lot of people in wester Ukrane speak a bit of polish and Understand polish.

Having more 5 million ukrainians in Poland and trying to annex Ukraine is like a suicide move.

Do not spread Soviet oh sorry Russian Propaganda.

We won't

I can see a light version. Ukraine is completely cut off from the sea for one and Poland given permission to have guarantees of NATO sphere and then maybe after 50 years there are regional referendums.

*VIDEO SUGGESTIONS:* 1. What if The Right Sector took control over Ukraine during the conflict? 2. Would an independent Donetsk and Luhansk ever be recognised by The West and/or The U.N.? 3. Could possibly Ukraine become a neutral buffer state aligned with neither The West or Russia?

I could see Poland moving to occupy western Ukraine but never annex or form a new government. Only to help Ukraine

There are at the moment 43mln people within Polish borders, 4.5mln of whom are Ukrainians welcomed with open arms. (3mln refugees, 1.5mln workers who arrived before war) Why Poland would suddenly reverse her policy and attack Ukraine?

If Poland did that it would lose all the support from UE and the West, which would result in Poland becoming the next prey to russian imperialism. We would never make such a stupid move.

Polish-Ukranian union would be alot better

Bro has gone off the rails since this whole russia thing started

We would not try to annex Ukraine. We may go in to bolster Ukraine against Russia. If Ukraine were so depopulated due to war and low birth rates and Russia still had ambitions and means and Poland had means that might be the only situation Poland would consider annexation. If this is to happen it is a far future thing (towards the end of the century maybe middle at earliest) but we would much rather stay friends with Ukraine.

FINALY Long have I waited for an alternative future that was not "Inevitable? "

Polish ,Hungarian and Romanian Irredentists looking at war torn western Ukraine : It's Free Real Estate .

This would be really good if it happened. Ukraine is a really poor country & never did well since it existed plus its barely doing well on its own. Poor & weak army

Long live Ukraine, love from Poland we aren’t going to invade Ukraine.

No way - we the polish people have no appetite for this kind of madness. Ukraine needs to be a prosperous neighbour that is rebuild and joins EU & NATO. The imperial age has passed and we don’t need it back. Russia must be defeated and Ukraine liberated. 🇵🇱🤝🇺🇦

take a close look at the activities of Hungarians in Ukraine and you will see that they play the same game as Russia in Donbas

This comment section: "Poland would never do that; they hate Russia" RU-vid comment sections in 1939: "Germany would never do that; they hate Russia"

I think Hungary would also take that one sliver of territory in Ukraine that used to be theirs as well

Please, most of the Poles in the east were either killed or expelled and there's no use in invading Ukraine. Unless Ukraine falls, which it won't, Poland has no business in marching in its armies into Western Ukraine

romania and hungary would get in on that, and romania would get bugeac and cernauti, and hungary would take transcarpathia.

eh, Poland dont need Ukrainians territories, we are too por country to manage that. Poland and Ukraina was one country and our culture are similar and ofcorse we want back too old greatness and power but not by force but by union (coalition called międzymorze) we dont want force anyone too obey us, we help them and try show them who are real friend for them, ofcorse we had inside fights and problems but all families have internal problems and fights, we are all slavic peoples with same culture and similar language. I wish that Poland + Baltic states + Ukraine Hungary + Czech + Slovakia + Romania make economic and military union. Polish government already make steps to make it real :) Love from Poland and slava Ukrainie :)

As a Pole it is my dream. Lwów is Polish. Always has been. It's only right we revenge our ancestors bruttaly slaughtered in Volhynia.

0:54 Ok, that was both funny and unexpected.

Very unlikely. Polish poeple still have a big part of population that hates Russia. Not to mention it also isn't a smart move for them either. Way too little to win compaared to how much they could lose. Tho if it would happen I wonder what would be the reaction of countries that weren't involved much untill now.

Not happening.

I don't know why Poland helps Ukraine considering the Rzez Wolynska.

As a polish person i can say that if goverment does shit like that it will fall soon

The fact that this popped up when I searched Giorno' theme is weird and hilarious

I think you basically explained why essentially it wouldn’t happen. But one thing left out, that is definitely something Poles would have on their mind, which many non Poles perhaps wouldn’t consider, is that this action would mirror exactly the justification of thenSoviet invasion in 1939. It would be too bitter a pill to swallow and way to hard for the government to justify to the population.

That's not possible. We don't betrayal.

Poland is one my favorite countries in the world. Super based

What if Erwin Rommel had a more involved role in operation Valkyrae and was able to kill hitler, or was some how able to survived WW2 and lead Germany after WW2?

Westerners getting trolled by Monsieur Z 💀💀💀💀

In reality, This won't happen. Poland is the best friend of Ukraine and will help Best Friend Ukraine to win 💙💛

Kiev would go to Russia, not Poland. The history of Russia began with the Kievan Rus'.

We would never betray Ukraine

I say Romania, Hungary and Poland should retake their territory if the Ukraine looks like it will lose. And bring back the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth!

Why does everyone assume that the east of ukraine is friendly towards russia after 8 years of war?

Maybe you could make a video what would have happened if Poland, Ukraine would United creating Polish-Ukrainian Federation to which would join other countries that historically consisted in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. So Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia would join. And later further countries like Slovakia, Czechia, Croatia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria. As wel as Finland and Georgia would join this federation as well. How big it would be and how important in contradiction to West Europe and against Russia. How good support it would be for USA in Europe and against China. As a flag I would se red rectangle with white X in the middle.

This video is a joke

Honestly, the topic of this video even if only speculative, is fucking insulting.

There was recently a leaked internal memo and pre-release press briefing regarding a joint Polish-Lithuanian "peace-keeping force" of 9,000+ troops. The date for this operation was given as May 22, 2022 and there indeed have been significant movement of troops and equipment over the last few days. Not saying it WILL happen but it is possible if framed as Poland-Lithuanian attempt to secure a "portion of a 'free', semi-autonomous Ukrainian-Polish territory" in the face of "Russian aggression and expansionism". It theoretically could also allow at least a part of Ukraine to come under the "protection" of NATO without being formally admitted.

Ukraine: *reports for team killing*

NO MORE BROTHER WARS!

A stupid scenario... What. I'm not going to lie.

If this happens. I say as a German I want our old east terretories back: Pommerania and Silesia to name it.

(reads title) me : PREPOSTEROUS! HOW CAN YOU EVEN SAY SUCH A THING?!

you Z-people can only dream about it :) Slava Ukraini!

For Poland and Poles, honor is the most important. We never cheated on anyone, we never stabbed anyone in the back. That's why our story was so difficult. Therefore, we have no reason to be ashamed.

This looks like April`s fools. This would NEVER happen. As a Polish person I`d take arms and fight AGAINST ANY our government that would do that fascist thing.

NO NO NO DON'T GIVE THE POLES ANY IDEAS-

Interesting scenario, the chances of this playing out are really low but still cool to look at. Could you perhaps make a video about the future world borders. Your ideas and thoughts which is more realistic and something that could happen, like Pakistan and India resolving Kashmie

Bullshit scenario

For once Poland wouldn’t be the one getting Partitioned

Why does Ireland suddenly leave the EU??? As someone who is half Irish and visits often as I visit from the UK. It's incredibly pro EU

It’s an interesting scenario but unlikely, honestly I would like a return to the more regular alt hist content you uploaded.

I think Poland could bring their army to ukraine only to provide shelter for the land thats left, but on the other hand Russia would the immiadately attack Poland as they stated they would attack anyone who dares to interviene

Poland couldn't invade Lithuania for life, much less substantial part of Ukraine. Also, we have trouble managing what is left of this country as it is.

bajki w celu poróżnienia Polaków i Ukraińców. Niech każdy naród ma własne państwo i sam sobie rządzi. w Polsce nie ma żadnych wizji osłabienia Ukrainy. Wolna Ukraina to wolna Polska.

I still think bioshock alt history would be an awesome scenario Would you kindly reconsider?

This video is quintessence of "i will do a video about some region of the world" without any knowleage of realities on the ground. Everything you said here is nothing more than absolute ridicilous and you present it as wrongly as it can get. Like some alternative pepole lived in Poland or Ukraine. - Poland wagin war for resources - that is just one of most lunatic arguments i have ever heard. - invading Ukraine to keep it away from Russia is also a big nosnese. If your scenario of Russia biting half of Ukraine with the rest weakened ever happend, we would not have to invade, Ukrainians would invite us themselves or would propose some kind of federation, just like Belarusians did after the collapse of the soviet union. That is also why Ukraine proposed Poland as one of future "soverenity" garantoor. - 3-seas initiative as counterweight to EU, i have no idea why pepole think this is even a thing, EU for Poland is a tazer gun aimed at Russo-German collusion that rolled our part of europe time and again, even if we would do some kind of regional partnership, no matter how it will look, it will always be EU orieted.

Well, thing is there are no more "pro-russian" regions in Ukraine

I would love to see an update about what if Poland sent their full resources in support of Ukraine. No other NATO members would send support, but would passively support Poland.