So this is something different! This video is for the people who want a basic introduction to the series. Oddly enough there isn't too many spoilers in terms of character deaths, mostly overarching themes. Also here is the link of DSC if you missed it. www.dollarshaveclub.com/althistory.
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@@blackog7820 but Superman wasn't like that before Joker planned this, so it doesn't make sense why would he want rebellion in his name if there wasn't a reason for it yet
It's very overcomplicated and convoluted. If he wanted to kill Lois Lane and Metropolis, he could've just blown it up. Superman would've gone through the same thing he went through in the normal timeline.
Even though the bat fans and every other hyppocrite fans coming on RU-vid saying how they used to love Superman and wonder woman and now they don't anymore. Superman wasn't all evil because he still cared for some of the things that happened and he let Batman lived when he could have easily finished him off, no one in that universe was right and that includes Batman.
@@faster_xx Batman had covertly made several ways to beat everyone in the justice league including himself, but of course he's not perfect, his parents were murdered giving him permanent psychological damage.
I took the quote from Alan Moore's classic Batman comic The Killing Joke, in which The Joker kidnaps Gordan, paralyses Barbara, and than proceeds to psychologically tortures Gordan, just to show than anyone can became insane after just one really bad day.
there is a similarity between evil superman and Soviet superman: both try to make a world free of crime and a Batman trying to stop him Edit: please note that they have different causes for their motives and these are 2 separate universes
He killed Shazam, who is just a kid, because he asked "Are you sure we should be doing this?" Or something like that, Alfred was brought back via a Lazarus(?) pit, and when I dont remember if it was Jason Todd, or Damian Wayne who Bruce Wayne was fighting, and Alfred somehow stood up when before he couldnt even lift his head, told them to stop, and hugged Bruce
Well DC couldn't have you actually *rooting* for someone who killed the Joker, can they? Especially not Superman. Comics still can't just admit to kids that some bastards needed a bullet yesterday...
"I wash my hands because I'm a good guy." is a reference to JLU when Flash and Lex Luthor switch bodies and "Evil headed guy" asks Wally in Luthor's body "Aren't you going to wash your hands." and he replies "No, because I'm evil." and that concludes my comment that no one cares about.
@ I disagree. DC has some amazing stories. Don't get me wrong The Boys (TV Show) is incredible, but there have DC Comics storylines that are just as good, if not better.
@Aspiring Marauder he actually is not insane, he's "Super Sane", meaning he is more sane than anyone ever, and thus knows that he is just a fictional character, occasionally turning the pages in comics, sometimes a subtle wink to the viewer in an animated series, etc., but because he is super sane, when he fell into a chemical that would make others insane, it made him normal-sane, and regretful for everything, and one time he thought he had killed the batman, he thought maybe its not a fiction, there cant be a villain without a hero, he got a normal life, but bats of course came back, and then it started all over again, watch "Imaginary Axis":s video on "The Psychology of The Joker", there is also one on the Punisher
@Aspiring Marauder There *are* different incarnations of the Joker. It sounds like you're pissed off about the very idea of nihilism... maybe just psychos who kill in the name of it and really don't care if they live or die. Plenty don't, sadly. There's a ton of serial killers who didn't care they were going to die. Some thought it's hilarious how much money the state spends on giving them easy deaths. Especially if they tortured people. That's what they deserve. That's what they used to get, everywhere.
@John Newman ...You think only men like the Joker would murder him for tricking them into killing their wife and unborn son, for laughs? Because you sound insane.
Injustice is proof of how awesome Joker is as a bad guy. It is a top-tier Joker victory, a victory would enjoy even if he had future knowledge he would die from it. The Joker is all about being a dog who chases cars and making people break their own morality, rules, and sanity... using their own standards against them. He is a true sadist that is metaphorically sustained by the tears of those who he broke. He's the perfect anti-Batman... reverse on the insanity perception and actual insanity. Batman seems super-sane, but he's a driven genius madman. Joker seems like chaos itself, but he's a genius who drives his madness. Batman is driven by hyper-morality based in PTSD, Joker is borderline super sane who can pick and choose how his trauma drives him... his choices are slaves to his madness but he is hyper-aware of them, thus paradoxically super-sane.
@@Fallenangel_85 Order without freedom is a prison, better to have chaos and its evils than to live in such a box. Benjamin Franklin was light years ahead of his time when he said that those willing to sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.
@@That80sGuy1972 It's a balancing act, you don't want total freedom or total control. There is still lots of freedoms in Supermans dictatorship. It's not like he is forcing you into a job you don't want, or relocating you, or preventing your from traveling.
@@Fallenangel_85 I know. I get it. His PRISON has a lot of liberties in it. He went from being an angel (super-powered servant of good) to being a warden (dictator who runs things as he sees fit), a bad transition. No matter how great the dictator, power always passes on to someone else and that will lead to a bad apple. Either the "good" dictator turns bad or the next guy is worse, no absolute power ends well... ever. The love/lust for power corrupts. That truth has been proven over the eons by all cultures. Better the chaos of eternal anarchy than the order of one great man's brief dictatorship. From chaos, cooperation and good rise. From order, corruption and the most insidious infect. The dynamic cannot be contained by one man. It must be many people representing all interests at all times. Nobody achieved that yet but it's better that unattainable goal than one person calling all the shots.
There was the Justice League and the Teen Titans, now a new league of villains and heroes shall form, and it shall be know as: LEMON PARTY!!! Google it today!
@Alex The Awsome but supes had a point....if he didn't do it... govt will send someone else.....and they might not have sympathy for Bruce Wayne as Clark kent does
@@Diamondragan that doesn't go over why hal's a yellow lantern, why ollie's dead, why damian's nightwing, and much more. and even if it does through a throwaway line, it's better showing than hearing
@@jockeyfield1954 yeah, its nice how the comics showcase the 5 year timeskip instead of just mentioning. Its kinda like how the young justice show's comic's (and planned movie) showed what happened in the 5 year timeskip between seasons 1 and 2.
Video:"He is an overwhelming good guy" I look down at the next two videos's thumbnails being Superman punching straight through Joker's chest. Me: "OK then..."
JoshPVG | Video Games and Anime Reviews Diana didn't stroke Clark's ego she just tried to seduce him and led him astray to the path of genocide because how Deathstroke puts it, "and get a chance to meet Superman's rebound chick fat chance".
@@manuelgutierrez9932 Right? I think it's because she was born a warrior preparing for a great war for her entire life. Kind of the same reason Hawk Girl goes bad a lot too. Plus she's one of the only ones that's strong enough that when she becomes evil she is a threat to everyone.
Superman sounds like a Greek God in this sense, very emotional and extremely powerful. Except in this case this Greek God does not have the type of checks and balances the Greek God myths had. Being so close to one another they couldn't do a lot without being noticed by everyone else and being stomped.
whats this bullshit comments? superman does have "checks and balances". he would get pummeled if no had sided with him. people have this crazy idea that he is super powerful (which he is) and unstoppable (which he isnt). he lives in a universe filled with beings like him. he can be defeated in a million and one ways.
golden kryptonite doesn't permanently take away his powers I think it has random effects each time or maybe that's red kryptonite that does that I'm not sure?
I like how this story also teaches the lesson that small steps corrupt. The first time you compromise your morals is rarely the last. It's almost never "just this once". The more you indulge your dark side, the more it will take control of your life and the harder it will be to stop. But Hitler didn't go from an art student to a power-hungry, genocidal warmonger overnight. Stalin didn't go from a meteorologist to a ruthless, murderous dictator overnight. Turning a hero into a villain is a process that requires months or even years of disappointment, failure, loss and compromise. To be a true hero, you have to have a moral compass and you must follow it even when it seemingly gets in the way of justice, or else you risk slowly becoming the very thing you set out to destroy. But no singular event, no matter how traumatic, can turn a shining icon of justice into a bloodthirsty psychopath overnight.
@@DeSardet46 Indeed. Once Batman killed the Joker, he would have to ask himself: why not kill Scarecrow too? Two-face? Poison Ivy? Bane? Killer Croc? Black Mask? Ra's Al Ghul? They've all committed atrocities and they show no signs of stopping. Then he'd have to ask: why not kill every other superhero's Rogues gallery? Every murderer on the streets who still draws breath? And then, why not kill all the ruthless third-world dictators that have ordered the deaths of countless innocents? And then, all the shady first-world and second-world politicians who have done terrible things to preserve their own power? And then, the CEOs and directors of all the corporations (Like tobacco companies, for example) who knowingly cause the deaths of thousands in the name of profit? And then all the drug dealers who sell poison to impressionable children? The thieves who ruin the livelihoods of others for their own personal gain? Where does it end? Of course, in the real world, people like the Joker would have been executed long ago by the justice system, but the point still stands. It's a slippery slope.
@@DeSardet46 Batman's whole thing is to incite fear into the hearts of criminals. At this point, all criminals know that he will not kill them. Whence come the fear? Without fear, why the bat?
@@DeSardet46 Oh, you mean the common thugs that the GCPD gets paid tax dollars to fight? I was thinking more the actual main villains who the cops actually need Batman for... Also, does this mean that you are OK with Batman permanently crippling villains? I don't see Joker limbless either.
Injustice was written to entertain, not to push politics. It was first a video game, that didn't have any deep messaging or even that great of a story. The comics were written as a prequel to the games. Its writers did try to add nuance, but they didn't have much room to work with because it was already predetermined that Superman had to become the villain by the time the game takes place. That first complaint is directed towards hack writers unsubtly pushing propaganda pieces from their political leanings, which leave a bad taste in the reader's mouth. Comparing the work of Injustice to some of the things Marvel's been doing recently, such as drawing your political enemies as the evil villains without any nuance, or attempting (and failing) to make a direct analogy between what you have drawn to an existing system is already low enough. It's worse when you don't have the writing to back up the message you're trying to convey. Injustice has been criticized for many things, but at the very least it is understandable and entertaining, compared to something like Marvel's Civil War 2, which makes NO sense and pretty much has no redeeming qualities.
@@ninjaturtlefan2003 Injustice presents both sides at face value, showing their good sides and their bad sides. It does what *any* good commentary should do: be neutral!
Except, what if the person already did it before? :) I think Batman likes to deal in absoluteville, which is his main problem in the series, and he comes off dense. The problem though is, Superman comes across as just far worse, as he turned into a full fledge "fuck your liberties, I will kill who I want, based on who I feel deserves it" type of dictator.
cancerjuly1989 and killing those killers you inspire more people to kill more killers and create more killers who believe killing is the right answer. And then we have the people who want to avenge the people killed by the original killer of killers who started killing killers.
Gotta be honest. If I was tricked into killing my pregnant wife. I mean seriously... Who the fuck wouldnt snap? Idc how numb you are. To be accepted as a hero and role model to millions of people and finding love on a foreign planet only to have it be destroyed by a psychotic man. That's heavy as fuck. Of course I do not agree with supermans actions, but I can't blame him for how he turned out.
oh its understandable that he snapped but what surprises me is that he stays snapped, like through killing some of his friends he never thought to dial that shit back
Exactly what he was doing when he was alive, during those final years in Persia: simply drinking whilst his empire stagnated, sulking over not being able to enter India, and upsetting his most trusted friends and allies for no reason.
@@wallywest2312 I did not know that Cody was so down to Earth that he watched Justice League Unlimited. The live action movies are one thing because they are for adults.
the green lantern corps lost because they didn't take him seriously. they only sent a few dousen green lanters and a gaurden. if they had sent the entire corps, superman was sure to lose. Remember the green lantern corps beat brainiac, imprisoned super-boy prime, cyborg superman, and parallax. also won the sinestro corps war.
They eventually did send the entire corps though, remember? They even took OA with them too. Superman still managed to kill them all, threw the planet right into the sun.
empoleon7, they didn't send the entire corps, because there would have bin billions of green lantern surrounding earth. second, that planet was not the green lantern home world Oa. that was a living sentient planet WHO was a green lantern named Mogo.
I see Superman here as much more of a tragic character. Losing his family and those who kept him grounded, he's a lost soul who lashes out and so happens to have powers. Who knows, maybe there were things that pointed this way before Lois was killed. The Joker is truly a cerebral individual. Here, he couldn't beat Superman physically so he exploited his mind. Using those he loves. That is a true mark of a brilliant villain right there.... Either die as the hero or live long enough to become a villain. This is what happened here with Superman....
I also really recommand the "Superman vs the Elite" comic. It really paints what Superman is fighting for, what limits does he place on himself and why he's kind of a boyscout at times.
not the same way...criminals choose to be who they are and what they do... by merely questioning Superman and his rationale in the world of Injustice you have no chance of being treated fairly
Batman is as much at fault as the villains in gotham. His rule of not killing actually ends with him having as much blood on his hands as the villains he fights against. He let's them live to kill again and in doing so, perpetuates the cycle of crime. The writers wrote superman into full on psycho mode because that was the only way the batman's side would be justified as the more morally right side to take.
That's the problem with you bat fans, you guys understand everything about the story but the problem is personal instead thoughtful and discussiony. And of course the diehard bat delusions fans
It really shows that The Joker is one of the best villains. He did not care that Superman was going to kill him, he wanted Superman to kill him. Breaking a literal god would do more damage to the world than The Joker could ever do, and The Joker knew this. If Joker was still alive, he would of been laughing the entire time.
Not to gripe, but an Alternate History about "What if Superman was real?" (a la the earlier Godzilla episode) would have been a welcome prelude to this... and would have been rather interesting all on its own.
Well, that covers "if superheroes were real"... to an extent... but Superman's a different ball of wax. It's like saying "What if the Headless Horseman was real?" would be the same as "What if Count Dracula was real?"
Watchmen by Alan Moore explores this already, IMO. Dr. Manhattan is a "real" Superman (at least with how he's treated by Moore). Moore does a really good job at exploring what effect a Superman would have on international politics, along with the psychological detachment a lone superbeing experiences when tasked with protecting the world.
Alex Oelkers I like Cyborgs character in almost every DC comic series except the Teen Titans Go and the Injustice Cyborg, but you're right though that Martian Manhunter is a more like able character than Cyborg in the first Injustice video game and the Injustice comic book series.
@Iron Giant to be fair he sided with Superman because he also lost everything when metropolis got nuked. So he was just as mentally weak as Superman was during that time. I’d even bet if his friends and family were in another city he’d definitely go along with Batman.
You've got the general gist of it but i feel that you really glossed over Batman's part in Superman's fall from grace. Batman doesn't lose his morals but that's cause he's a Moral Crusader. He's so obsessed with enforcing his code that he never tries to help or compromised with Superman at all. Instead he kept alienating himself to Superman, kept pushing the latter further into radicalization and turned himself into the enemy. He took Justice League members hostage, let the Flash be tortured by Harley, got members of his own Insurgency killed from incompetence and said members kept trying to kill members of the Justice League long before the League loses its way (Captain Atom and Manhunter). All this culminated in five years of slow agonizing defeat as the Earth is taken over by the now completely corrupted Superman, all because Batman couldn't be bothered to act like a Human being and help his best friend through the grief.
yoda yoda To be fair, he did say he was gonna gloss over a few things and simplify the event. It would have been nice, but it seems like he wanted to focus primarily on the Superman side this time.
yoda yoda How? By killing people? Yeah, ever heard of the Justice Lords? Batman was right in the end, maybe not in the beginning, but after Superman kills Billy/Shazam (a kid mind you, who just didn't like what Supes did), and people who don't agree with him, Superman needed to go down. #Batmanwasright
Superman's definitely crossed over the last moral line in year 3 (torture of a civilian) and 4 (lording over the Justice League members) and descended into absolute tyranny and corruption in year 5 and the game, ordering an assassination, the murder of Billy and his general attitude proves that. I am not arguing that Superman fell, but Batman helped push him down that path. There was a chance that the Batman could have served as the restraining influence for the League and prevented them from falling but he didn't. He turned himself into the enemy and didn't even bother to try talking with Superman. Members of his insurgency kept for the kill on Superman and Wonder Woman long before either of them crossed went crazy.
Batman never really tried to talk with superman. He pretty much remind him every time that he did bad and he should feel bad for killing the joker. I don't really count the superboy incident because it was a one shot that the writers did to explain why the teen titans weren't involved (because they forgot about them). The time he crossed the line was when he killed Oliver in rage. Maritan Manhunter was a spy and tried to suffocate wonder woman and was killed by superman. In fact, while superman was questioning himself to what point he should take away rights such as right to use weapons (while talking with flash during a chess game) batman never questioned himself or answered any other opinion such as huntress asking him if it would have been better to not have superman kill the entire darksied's army and let millions of people including black canary and Green Arrow (present in the room) to die. He didn't answer anything. He didn't tell Damian why letting dangerous criminals live was the better option, he just said that "that's not how we do things".
ruyman90 He didn't have to say anything, it wouldn't matter, they were too far gone, and what happened in the end? Superman became a dictator, he didn't even think like the Punisher, who only killed criminals, Superman killed innocent people, he had to be stopped.
I like how Joker in this literally said he wanted to put it on easy mode, so he fucked with Superman breaking him in a day after trying to do the same to Batman for years. xD
it was confirmed that Martin man hunter serviced and was in Atlantis and was disguised as an atlantean librarian. Remember Martin man hunter weakness is fire and intense heat, but it's just a physiological trauma that he suffered when his family was killed by the white Martin's.
Josiah Moreno No, he's dead. That Arcade Ending has nothing to do with his story inclusion. As Martian Manhunter was about to kill Wonder Woman, Superman blasted her with so much force of his heat vision that Manhunter disintegrated. Before he was attacked by Wonder Woman, Manhunter was trying to save Superman from his mental health and showing him a sense of compassion and understanding through Pathos.
@@subscriberswithnovideos-xw9xc dude they basically the same except here there is actually a story and somewhat makes sense, brightburn...yea that was a mess of a film
The Injustice story line is my all time favorite, in large part due to the proper handling and development of Harley Quinn's character. But also because it's Batman v. Superman done right.
Please make a video of "What If the Byzantine Empire Never Fell." It will be at least as interesting as if the Roman Empire never fell. The Byzantine Empire made a huge impact on today's culture as is, but I wonder how that was changed. Would they expand? Would only a few decades be bought for them against the Ottomans? Would they fall to another power? I'd love to know.
For one, I think the Americas would be discovered later, I might be mistaken, but I remember the fall of Constantinople being what triggered the exploration age, because the Ottomans blocked everything between Europe and Asia.
...you...do realize the "Byzantine" Empire was just the Roman Empire right? literally no-one back then ever called them anything else its a name we invented that literally insults them. that would just be a different version of the "what if the roman empire never fell" scenario.
When I hear "Superman is boring"....I beat them to death with my injustice comics. I could use a lot of other great superman stories, but injustice just seems to perfect.
Not at all. Did you read the entire thing I wrote? "I could use a lot of other great superman stories". Plenty of stories the "normies" dont know about. They just assume hes a boyscout, but injustice is more well known now days.
Im just a Superman fan all the way. I can dig it when hes a bad boy, and I love it when hes his normal self. Unfortunately everyone usually likes him one way or another. He can never please anyone lol.
See, he's not boring in Injustice, but goddamn, do I hate him. Even worse than him is Wonder Woman. I'm glad they made the movie, so that I have a reason to like her, because Injustice 2 definitely doesn't help.
People should read the comic series irredeemable if they want to see an all powerful hero lose his mind & become a villain. At least the first 4 issues.
I see this as, what if Superman was a human being? This is to say, what if the power of Superman was placed in the hands of someone who does things like: lose his temper, doesn't always know what is the right thing to do, have mental/emotional issues in response to trauma, be stubborn, ect. The only reason standard-issue Superman works is that he is GOOD. Not "good" in the normal human sense that he has a genuine desire to live a moral life and overall contributes more than he takes. Superman is All-Caps, GOOD! His self-control does not waiver, he never loses his temper, is totally selfless, and never lets one cynical thought shake his faith in humanity. Were this not the case, you'd get Injustice.
Superman has had plenty of these types of moments in past story lines, the thing is there is a fine line between losing your temper or not knowing what the right thing to do is and ENSLAVING THE HUMAN RACE. I know it maybe hard to accept but not ALL humans are basket cases. There are some genuinely good people out there who even though they are a human that makes mistakes still can learn from it and not let it overcome them. A person who can have a cynical thought but not let it overwhelm their sense of doing right by their fellow man. I dont know what you consider "good" in the normal human sense, but I can say that ANY human can be a Superman if they do good unto others. Thats about as traditionally good in the human sense as you can get.
Ser Knight Flash along with Shazam, were the ones that followed Superman as well but always questioned what he was doing was right or even necessary. Both stayed to keep Superman in check in a way, as they're like the heart and soul of the Regime. When Shazam questioned Superman on literally Doomsday -ing Gotham and Metropolis, Superman killed him using his Heat Vision to burst through his skull. It was this final moment of Clark killing Billy that Flash had enough and rebelled against the Regime assisting the Insurgency.
6:44 "He has his own Spy, martian manhunter in the *Red* base the entire time" *[TF2 reenaction]* Robin : "Blu Spy is in the base" Superman : "BLU SPY IS IN THE BASE ??!"
So, you didn't actually read Metal? Because they state very clearly, crystal clearly, that the dark multiverse is just fears made real. Things don't even have to make sense to happen there, they just have to be edgier than an 8th grade atheist. Meanwhile, there's Earth-51, where Batman stopped being a pussy after Jason Todd's murder and put the Joker in the ground. Earth-51 ends up a "paradise" because he gets rid of all the villains.