What if the Nationalists won the Chinese Civil War? | Alt History 

I think China in this timeline will operate like Singapore. A capitalist country with a strange political limbo between authoritarianism and democracy. Elections in China will serve as a "popularity polls". We can look at Singapore's election as an example. Every time the PAP received 50 percent of votes during an election, it means that the people are not satisfied with the PAP's actions. If the PAP received more than 50 percent then the people are satisfied. I can see Kuomintang do the same thing in China in this timeline.

There is one major fault in this, and that is relations with Japan, China and South Korea won't have easily forgiven Japan for it's warcrimes, even today, South Korea still holds resentment, much as the rest of South Asia

north vietnam would probably fall. part of the reason the us never invaded north vietnam and stuck to fighting guerrillas was because they didnt want a repeat of the korean war where china comes in and pushes them back, so theyd probably invade and the south would win

Fun fact, the KMT was basically supposed to go through three phases as proposed by Dr. Sun Yat Sen, it’s founder. First, they actually needed to rule china. Then, political tutelage in order to get the people on board with democracy. And finally, the transition into democratic practices. And this all did happen in the government in exile on Formosa and its other islands. Long live the Republic of China! 🇹🇼

I like your videos, even with your simple style of mapping I enjoy how you are creating scenarios that nobody else is doing! Great Job!

Very good job, I usually disagree with what a lot of people say in a nationalist victory, but I think you did it a lot of justice, only thing I disagree with is north Vietnam existing, only reason the USA didn’t invade the north was because they were afraid a Korean War would happen again, but with China not being a threat but possibly being willing to help America, I doubt north Vietnam would’ve existed, but good job overall!

Nice video, while I do like these smaller and less mind-boggling, world ending, ball shattering, backflipping scenarios, I would love for you to go into more detail on bigger scenarios like the American Revolution fails, or Germany wins WW1, and see your take on those. Your channel is criminally underrated and more should definitely check you out. Keep up the good work.

This has to be my favourite video and can I say if your 'What if the whites won the Russian civil war' video was popular I can only imagine how much attention this will get, I cannot seem to see any problems and I enjoyed every second- Congrats on 2k!

Simple, quick, and with almost to no mistakes that distort the timeline. BRAVO.

Honeslty this one was super well made! You earned yourself a new sub.

S-rank video my man, good stuff. I’ve got a couple ideas if any of them might interest you: • What if East Prussia/Kaliningrad was never Russified? Maybe instead of being an oblast of Russia, it becomes the “Prussian Soviet Socialist Republic.” • What if Gorbachev’s reforms saved the USSR? He didn’t want the union to collapse, he hoped to transition the country from communism to democratic-socialism, with free and direct elections. • What if Roman Britain survived as a rump state of the Western Empire? • What if the 2nd Mexican Empire survived?

One problem is you don’t have a deep understanding to the pre-1949 economy. Chiang did exactly the same as Mao on land reforms due to defeat. If Chiang won, there would be strong interest group from landlords to oppose land reform. Land reform is the reason for China’s agricultural growth. With agricultural growth, China can accumulate resources for light industries to grow. Without land reform. Everything about economy growth will be like today’s India.

I would like to correct you some geopolitical mistakes: 1- if Nationalist China won, the Korean war wouldn't happen because in real life it already started with a Maoist promise that China got Korea's back. Adding the fact that the regional powers aren't on the communist side unlike what happened in real life. 2- if the Korean war started like you said, there won't be a UN force deployed to help the South. Because if you remember the UN force was deployed because of a decision of the UN security council. And the decision was able to avoid Soviet veto because the Soviets were boycotting UN security council meetings under the policy of vacant seat in order to force UN to recognise communist China as the real China and permanent member of the security council. If Nationalist China did already win and Korean war happened, the Soviets wouldn't be boycotting the council's meetings therefore when the decision for a UN force to help the South would be put forward, it wouldn't pass, because of Soviet veto. Any help to the South would only come from individual intervention by other countries, not UN

I think you should learn about the dangguo (黨國) principle, invented by sun yat-sen it denotes three steps towards democratic China, first would be a revolution and the founding of the state, and second would be political tutelage, probably the most famous of the steps, where everything would be consolidated for the final step, democratization, the only reason why the third step wasn't achieved during Chiang's rule was due to his hesitance and commitment to completing it, in this timeline, china would most certainly be democratic as dangguo would be completed, this is also backed up by some of the first and for now last elections in china during the 4 years after japan surrendered and before the communists took control

as a chinese, i wish i am lived in this timeline

This was a great video and I can tell it was well researched!

As a Chinese, I am always dreaming how good it is if this were true...

I think if ROC rule continues on mainland, Chiang would only run for two terms due to the vast number of political factions that exist within the KMT, and he wouldn’t have the power to pass the presidency down to his son

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I'm not sure if Vietnam would have been split to be honest. If South East Asia is under Chinese control then the KMT would have send troops to North. They already sent troops to Indochina a few years before. But yeah A KMT led China would have been a unitary One Party State. At the very least they would have been more open to the west. I do think there is a chance that Tibet or East Turkestan could have been independent nations. The whole South East Asia would have been so different. At the very least we have three monarchies: Laos, Cambodia, and Thailand. The current crisis in Burma could have been avoided due to the KMT fighting against the communists in the nation. No purge of communists in Indonesia due to the Nationalists winning. Hong Kong and Macau might return to China's influence a few years earlier. In this timeline China would have been seen as liberators against communists and so they would have much more influence in East and South East Asia. There would have been more pressure from Japan to apologize for all the war crimes they committed during WW2. Mongolia probably leans more to China than Russia as well. However, I do think this version of China would still be hostile due to the KMT wanting to rewrite the century of humiliation. I do think more foreign nations would be open to working with them since they wouldn't be as hostile when compared to the CCP. When it comes to culture and media we would see the spread of Chinese Culture globally. Similar to how Japan is with Manga and Anime. Korea with K-POP and Dramas. I could see China spreading it's ideals and traditions so maybe more Chinese folk religions being spread globally. Christianity would play more of an impact in the nation since the KMT was open to religion as well. Lastly I do think China would just be good as it is in the Olympics like it is right now with the CCP in charge. Baseball and Soccer would probably be the most popular sports in the nation. I could see China's baseball league competing with the MLB due to how large the nation is. China would be better in soccer too and we probably see them hosting a world cup in the future.

I feel like this china would be so much better since it would save the lives of many and poverty would be much less. It would also improve the lives of people in many areas around the world.

Not bad.. good work :)

Thank you for making this Video The ROC is my fav country

I know we are talking about impossibilities because the events have already happened, but the Nationalists could've easily participated in the Korean war for example. There certainly could of been enough animosity against the west and what they had done to China previously that they might not of taken kindly to the UN forces being right on their doorstep and Korea had been under Chinese influence for centuries previously so they could of felt that they should be the ones having the major say in Korean or even Vietnamese affairs and not the Europeans or the US. But still it's fun to play around with these what ifs.

From Burma's perspective: - The internal conflict would become much less worse (no KMT troops in Burma's territory, communist rebels would not get any support from the CCP) - The China-Burma border could change

Great video

Welcome back you should make What if the American Revolution never happened and instead Britain actually allows the 13 colonies to have more representation so the timeline completely removes existence of the USA. And instead the British Empire continues to grow but this time with the inclusion of the Dominion of North America. Giving the British Empire vast industrial might and Man Power. Great video hope to see more vids soon.

Also for vietnam, remember that even in 1946, Chiang sent troops to vietnam to help the Vietnamese KMT fight the French. With 20 more years of strengthening china back home, he’d def at least send token aid to the south

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Tbh, this timeline makes China more reliant on US aid instead of standing independently just like the current ROC. However, it makes me happy to see a unified China instead of one nationality separated by two ideology.

nice video. can you do an unrealistic version of what if the franco-british union formed?

I like that you didnt copy and paste taiwans history over this and called a day, the KMT would still rule the country to this day, although they would be alot more palatable to the west, cuz you know they arent communist

What if Bavaria was able to form the Third German state in opposition to Austria and Prussia is kinda a neat idea since they were closer to the French culturally than the Prussians when it came to ideas

Just wondering, what is the background music at the beginning of the video and for the first few minutes.

This is so cool!

This was a one of the best timelines i have seen about China. I do think that the part about Hong Kong was a bit inaccurate however. The way of life in Hong Kong would be very similar to China in this timeline as China is now capitalist, Chinese and mostly democratic. Hong Kong will still retain most if not all of its autonomy as a city state within China, but the "one country, two systems" was only to prevent a complete communist takeover of Hong Kong.

One mistake that might have been intentional, but I will mention anyways. The United States didn’t invade North Vietnam due to fears of China interfering like they did in Korea. Other than that great video.

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I think the South would of won the Vietnam War in this timeline as the US does not fear Chinese intervention from an invasion upwards.

Something to add to this alternative history of China is that the demographic collapse will be less extreme compared to our modern Mainland China since it is less likely that a 1 child policy will be enacted which absolutely butchered current Mainland China. So it could look similar to America and other Westernized countries.

To be honest, if KMT got the power, China could lose Manchuria and Xinjiang for all. It would still be the division of China with Soviet China in the North.

The video itself is pretty good, but one part of it that I didn't understand is the annexation of Tibet, since China and Tibet had signed a non-agression pact after numerous invasions of Tibet by China, Britain would most likely left a angry note at China for not respecting the non-agression pact which Britain had forcefully made them sign.

The only reason I hate Japan is They were responsible in letting the communists win, they killed a lot of the nationalists troops and supported the communists, after the war, Mao thanked Japan a lot for helping him. Communism is so bloody annoying in my honest opinion. They were responsible for the Korean Peninsula in being split in half with a North Korea under communism. They almost ended up splitting their own peninsula just like North Korea with the northern Japan under communism. They still refuse to admit their war crimes, either way, Newer generations of Hong Kong and Taiwanese locals generally prefer Japan over China nowadays. World would be a lot more peaceful if Japan had never invaded us or it’s neighbours. Older generations like my grandma would prefer to go to Afghanistan than Japan. Either way we can’t change our history. But I still love Japan and want to visit it one day, it’s an extremely well developed country just like South Korea and China.

Some scenarios I recommend: >I think Hsieh Tung Min will succeed Chiang Ching Kuo in this timeline after his death, then next election he's succeeded by former vice president Lien Chan and then Ma Ying Jeou came to power, today president would be Eric Chu who would be born in Zhejiang since his parents never fled to Taiwan after the civil war >Macau handed back in 1999 and retaining "one country, two systems" without much controversies >Guangzhouwan also given a "one country, two systems" like autonomy after returned by the French Empire >DPP and TPP will probably still exist as localist party within Taiwan; autonomous regions like Hong Kong, Macau, Xinjiang, and Tibet will also have localist party allowed to exist freely

maybe their new leader lee teng-hui, cause native taiwanese can still join KMT, and lee teng-hui may still have more time to be a president in china, and then it's Ma Ying-jeou, the next can be Lai Ching-te.

Beautiful Timeline! Wait, what if made in Republic Of China? Is it very good quarily? and I hope they built Shanghai Tower maybe....

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China would probably be as democratic as Russia, and pretty much just todays China but forwarded 20- 40 years

I personally believe that the Chinese would have annexed Mongolia after the fall of the USSR. In our time, the ROC did not even recognize Mongolia until 2007, and even today (theoretically) still claims the country. Without the risk of a response from the USSR, the Chinese would have taken Mongolia very easily, due to the fact the Chinese army would probably be larger than Mongolia's entire population.

Good video keep up the good also make what if Mexico join the axis in ww2

> 1960: China would be friends with Korea and Japan Korea maybe. But the horrors of Imperial Japans invasion of China would still be very fresh. I think it would be an uneasy trade alliance at best unless Japan is willing to compensate China in this timeline then maybe reconciliation will go a lot smoother. Also, Im not convinced that SE Asia would go communist if it failed in China. Certainly would be a pickle if Vietnam did get split in two instead of Korea but with China being the largest sphere of influence in East Asia, then its unlikely that communism would never have gotten to that part of the world.

Well, within this timelime, traditional chinese culture and architecture would be well preserved by the KMT government. Famine and political crackdowns would still occur but on a smaller scale in comparison to Maoist China in our timeline. President Chiang Chin Kuo, would be a pragmatic reformist just like Deng xiaoping, and he would be more tolerant and open towards political reforms and workers rights. The Republic of China would be just like Singapore, a single party state with a capitalist open economy.

2:08 I don't think relations with Japan would improve after a Nationalist victory, if anything they would be worse. It's not like this scenario erases the after-effects of the Second World War and there would likely be resentment over Japan's invasion. Particularly if the US invests less into Japan as a bulwark against Chinese communism, or if it invests equally in both.

nice vid,can u make ' what if ussr won the cold war' ?

very underrated

This would be the only way Taiwan would be united with the mainland.

I think the Vietnam war would've eneded fast with mostly US troops invading the north, because in this time there wouldn't be the fear of Chinese troops coming to help the NVA like they did in Korea. So the NVA would be defeated and the Vietnam War would end with victory for the south and its western allies. With Korea, Vietnam and Japan being so tight with the West and especially the US, they would all become great rich nations and China would likely get involved and like its neighbors, become just as rich and advanced and probably even more than that. The Chinese youth like those in Japan, Korea and Vietnam would find a great liking in how western society is and how it is in the US and these ways of living, the independence and open-minded thinking would spread in the youth and they would grow up in China to become the next leaders. Then they'd turn China into a western nation just in their own way as they obviously have a different culture and they would keep that, but they would fuse both worlds. Kinda like how it was in Hong Kong or when we talk about countries, like Taiwan, Japan, South Korea. China would become just like that but bigger and more open-minded, people would have an independent lifestyle and there wouldn't be concentration camps in west China where Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and so on get thrown in. China would be more religious and it would mostly have a Buddhist society with Christianity being the second largest religion. China would definitely be a place that I'd love to visit in that timeline because I know if I go now, I'll never return and be in some camp for "re-education"💀

I am very jealous of people living on this timeline, which means that after 2019, without the impact of COVID-19 and far-left ideas on the world, everyone will live in permanent peace

Great video but was kind of missing how the south China sea dispute would turn out and what the US stance would be considering all claimaints would be its allies except for North Vietnam

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I'm pretty sure, even with a democratic China of today it would still impose the 9 dash line on the South China Sea.

The msuic was so good that i was kind of dancing to it while the video was going on 😂😂

If the Japanese weren’t there then they probably would’ve

The KMT government could never achieve the kind of achievements imagined in the second half of the video, because the party itself was a factional compromise, which would have led directly to an incomplete land policy and class reorganization, and the continuation of the old feudal landlords and new political clans (which still exist in Taiwan today, especially in the KMT). And factions with foreign power support will continue to exist in the KMT, pushing the goals of their respective patrons in the direction of government policy. The government's control over ethnic minorities and border areas would be looser, and separatism would remain a problem. So under this timeline, it is reasonable to assume that China will not be the 2nd powerful country but more like India in our world, a slightly stronger India maybe.

You should make an alternate history for Zimbabwe Rhodesia?

Interesting😂 Actually I've imagined it for times.

What if Franklin D. Roosevelt had lived through his fourth term and Winston Churchill won the 1945 election but put them in one video.

Blessed timeline

It's a good video but I'm really not sure about North Vietnam. You brought up in your alternate Korean War video how the lack of Chinese intervention in said war would encourage the USA to fully engage in Vietnam, which I agree would happen. Wouldn't that same thing happen here and thus see North Vietnam wiped out due to the PRC not existing?

I agree with this for the most part. But china would absolutely not open up to the west until at least 1960. And even then thats a bit of a stretch.

So I guess no Zhong Xina and Maoist Chinese songs in this timelime.

As an Asian..ahh too bad that didn’t happen.

Honesty, i doubt vietnam would last without china, i mean, the Chinese did heavily equip the Vietnamese and train them. Also the soviets can't really support the Vietnamese because china wouldn't allow soviet equipment through, and they can't go through the sea, due to a naval and air blockade. Vietnam would likely collapse due to the overwhelming air superiority and the fact that they dont have equipment.

I think there is a few things that I think I would have changed 1 I think that Chiang Kai-shek would have tried to a democratically reform probably by the 60s 2 I think the South backed by the United States would have won the war the only reason America did not invade the north was because of China as the Americans remembered what happened in Korea so without a communist victory in China I think the USA would have invaded and probably would have won in North Vietnam. But other than it is a very great video

This is clearly a better ending for every single country in the world, including China itself.

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My heart goes out to the Republic of China (now Taiwan). It didn’t seem needed then, but I so wish we had helped the nationalists more.

I think that Soviet empire will collapse earlier than 1991, due to push of Nato, and nationalist Asia. If China ruled by KMT it would suprass US economy today. Because Nationalist China is more open to capitalism and more global economical system like todays Taiwan. But I see some of your video that the Soviet allies exist in Africa and other continenet. Well the US and other Anglo nations wont need to war effort for in Vietnam because on that scenairo the all Vietnam will be same as South Vietnam. So that US would give its effort to take Cuba and other Communist countries in Africa with the help of Nationalist China so that maybe western lands of Africa still exist due to lack of Soviet weapon and equipment support. But after the Cold war, as I said China and other Asian countries would be more dominant in the world with their better economy and technology, so this would threat to the NATO and other US allies.

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😭As a Chinese, this is my dream. The whole China and North Korea would be as developed as Taiwan and South Korea. Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia would also be much better (the Khmer Rouge would never exist). Hong Kong, Macau, along with Shanghai and Northeast China, would remain their prosperity.

How’s about a scenario where the American revolution never happened? In my head the point of divergence is the British Parliament accepts the terms of the Olive Branch Petition in 1776 after evacuating Boston. Leading to a huge majority of the revolution never happening being seen as something more like “the New England Tax Riots” and the adoption of a similar dominion system.

nice animation

The ROC/Taiwan still claims Mongolia as a part of its territory and much more. Those may continue to cause distributes I think

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Although I don't like the Kuomintang (nor the Communist Party) and love the Beiyang government more, I have to say that the Kuomintang's military songs are really nice. 虽然不喜欢国民党(也不喜欢共产党)，更爱北洋政府，但，不得不说，国民党的军歌真好听。

Shame this didnt happen would love to be friends with china😢🇹🇼

I think this would definitely be a more peaceful timeline. I see china and the usa being rivals as you said but much less hostile in this timeline due to the absence of taiwan and due to less ideological differences. As well this would definitely be a timeline where russia would be more scared in its position due to Russia not being able to find many major allies in this timeline. Also with China not having a great firewall the scenario i think we would see more technological growth if they partnered with western scientists

Interesting

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I don't think China would waged partial war India in this timeline. Chiang Kai shek was friendly with the Indian government officials who would take power in 1947. China would not have become a staunch US ally. Instead they could have lead the non aligned movement along with India, Yugoslavia, Indonesia, Egypt and Ghana. The reason why Mao invaded india is partially because india gave asylum to dalai lama in 1960's and when the whole world was busy in cuban missile crisis, mao invaded India.

Can anyone tell me the name of the song used in the song?

The Pathet Lao and Khmer Rouge would probably be wiped out by the Kingdom of Laos and the Khmer Republic if Nationalism won.

My cousin’s grandfather was 14 when the communist took over our hometown, he had to hide in the mountains because the KMT during 1948 didn’t care about who you were, as long as you were able you would be sent to the frontline, with no training and weapons. Realistically speaking at that point of the civil war the KMT were on their last rope so it is understandable that they did that. But my cousin grandfather who ran away from the KMT to avoid fighting joined the communist as soon as our hometown “fell”(or liberated) and immediately started “fighting” the KMT( at that point they were already retreating on all fronts to Taiwan ,in fact he says he just ran to the next city before they told him to go back home and gave him a plot of land). So I find it strange that westerners all suddenly believe that the KMT could have won if the USA gave them support, like suddenly solving the KMT’s infighting, corruption, dysfunctional leadership and loss of public support, or simply scare fucking Stalin from providing more help to the communists. The funniest thing in this video is that conquering Harbin would somehow lead to a communist breakdown when that was the root cause of the KMT’s downfall, they focused too much on the big cities leaving the openfields to the communist, which overtime led to the KMT overextended trying to defend urban pockets while completely surrounded and allowed an easy communist counter offensive to destroy their best soldiers. Furthermore you can’t just copy Taiwan’s history and copy paste it into this timeline, if China doesn’t fall there would be no red scare, or at least there would be an “allied China” that would stop communism from spreading across Asia, so instead of the Korean War or Vietnam war you could have a China-Korea or China-Vietnam war because China doesn’t want to be surrounded by red states and both America and USSR don’t want to fight, so you may have a proxy war between them in Asia. Moreover I don’t understand why everyone believes that China is destined to become a great power, look at Russia, Brazil or whatever, they missed their opportunity and never became what they could have been. We may have also stayed on the same level as India for instance. The only way I see the KMT winning is that Mao drowns in a river and Chiang chokes on wine and their parties actually sign the 1945 peace treaty and keep it.

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I’m surprised that ROC in that universe still has no claim over northern Mongolia.

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