What if Turkey joined the Axis in 1942? - LoreDad

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#alternatehistory #türkiye #rewritinghistory
Hi Everyone! LoreDad here with my first collaboration!
Me and Rewriting History got together and asked "What would happen if Turkey joined WW2?". We decided that he would cover an Allied Turkey, while I would cover an Axis Victory!
I am really excited for us to explore this alternate history together. Once you are done watching this video, be sure to check out Rewriting History's!
• What if Turkey joined ...
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Video by Loredad
"Compilation of QBAM Historical Maps" - Public Google Doc, Various
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Chapters:
00:00 - Collaboration!
00:34 - Intro
01:54 - Turkey's History Pre-POD
03:37 - An Alternate Successor
05:43 - Turkey Joins the Fight
09:37 - Operation Barbarossa
10:49 - The End of WWII &
The Beginning of the Cold War
13:49 - Outro

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@rewriting-history 4 месяца назад

This Rewriting History guy looks cool, just subscribed! Jokes aside, great video, as always! For the peace treaty maybe there is no Communist north Greece, but Bulgaria annexes these lands. This would technically create more problems and make another hotspot on the map, where WW3 can start, but still, big Bulgaria.

@LoreDad 4 месяца назад

Thanks a lot! The idea for Bulgaria to extend in the Aegean is pretty interesting. There would definitely be a lot of Greek resistance but it would technically be a more peaceful Cold War as there wouldn’t be yet another rival government. However I wanted to give Stalin the more aggressive option since his position would have been much more favourable

@yazovgaming 4 месяца назад

Sorry but no 😅

@Kokila_Parag_Modi 4 месяца назад

That or what if even the Soviets give the straights to greece

@apineapple3177 4 месяца назад

Even if I be generous thrace And that’s about it they’re not gonna be pushing into central Macedonia

@SpicyCheeseAltHistory 4 месяца назад

DAD STOP TALKING ABOUT TURKEY JOINING THE AXIS AND COME BACK HOME WITH THE MILK

@onemoreminute0543 4 месяца назад

"No, I don't think I will."

@benjaminaraya8073 4 месяца назад

You were here before we the last video

@MrMike77836 4 месяца назад

Nuh uh

@SpicyCheeseAltHistory 4 месяца назад

@@benjaminaraya8073 what

@TheRepublicOfDixionconderoga 2 месяца назад

Damn bro, you got the whole squad laughing😐

@geraldnt6914 4 месяца назад

Dammit, Dad is now a staunch Turk nationalist, proudly speaking from his apartment in Berlin.

@hun2591 4 месяца назад

They are not turkish nationalist half of them kurdish and they support erdoğan which means against nationalism

@_Anti_dote_ 4 месяца назад

not all turkish nationalists live in berlin, i live in montreal 😂

@stalkerentertainment3671 4 месяца назад

One of the reasons why Turkey was neutral in the second world war was that they still had to recover from the independence war. Sure we built a nation with a standing army but we lost so many brave souls in this war and the people had donated everything they had for the independence war, so the war would have been a burden for the people. That is why Turkey declared war in the last stage of the war when it was clear who loses and wins. Also probably in a effort to get some provisions out of this.

@alexanderisg Месяц назад

yeah in the end they joined to get war reparations even though they were subtly supporting the nazis

@Dr-Ekmek 3 месяца назад

I doubt treaty of Sevres would be implemented. Most probable situation with Turkey would be, Western and Central Anatolian regions getting under the Allied occupation while Northeastern Parts getting occupied by the USSR and a separatist war breaking out in the Southeast with the Kurds, which would become a Soviet satellite. There were no Greeks left in Anatolia after the Turkish Revolution, thanks to the Population Exchange between Turkey and Greece, in addition, due to the civil war in Greece, it would not get any lands in Anatolia at all.

@alexanderisg Месяц назад

the population exchange helped but so did the massacres

@yorgunliberal735 4 месяца назад

Before Atatürk died, he gave the prime ministry to the Democrats(Celal Bayar). İnönü was pulled into the sled(Lack of knowledge). Ataturk wished that Fevzi Çakmak would be the president after him and that multi-party life should be implemented. During World War II, Fevzi Çakmak was the Chief of General Staff and expected Hitler to take Stalingrad. When Stalingrad fell, he would attack the USSR and stage a coup against İnönü. Stalingrad did not fall and Fevzi Çakmak was quickly retired. İnönü is a man who is disliked by all segments of society in Turkiye today. In addition, before Atatürk died, he testified that a new great war was approaching and that Turkey should never be a party to this war. Thanks for great content.

@birisi916 4 месяца назад

yorgunliberal735

@_Anti_dote_ 4 месяца назад

heralde mk, neymiş günümüzde türkiyedeki bütün kesimler tarafından sevilmeyen biriymiş, atatürk'ü sevmeyen inönüyü de sevmiyor, ya da özgür özel gibi atatürke laf atamadağı için inönü üzerinden saldırıyorlar, ayrıca saygılı bir şekilde soruyorum fevzi çakmak kendi başına darbe yapacağı hikayesini götünden uydurduğunu düşünüyorum, olayın gerçeği fevzi çakmak adnan menderesle olan br konuşmasında, napayım ben şimdi darbe mi yapayım demiştir, menderes ise buna karşı çıkmıştır, birde atatürkün asıl istediği kişi fevzi çakmak kısmı doğru (ayrıca inönünün görevden alınma sebebi atatürkün daha liberal bir ekonomiye geçiş için attığı bir adımdır, yerine celal bayar getirilme sebebi budur.)@@birisi916

@ozan7427 3 месяца назад

İnönü only disliked by the likes of u who call themselves liberal but todays hidden İslamist. İnönü was a good man. Thanks to him Turkey didnt join a stupid war.

@hydra5917 3 месяца назад

Of course a liberal would comment of much he hates inonu

@buni1934 2 месяца назад

So he wanted a multi party life AFTER his rule? A true dictator

@imperiiitalica6278 4 месяца назад

Love your mapping style, great work!

@peterdarker3863 4 месяца назад

what if the Axis joined Turkey 🤯🤯

@ibram236 3 месяца назад

lol

@user-bz5fc9kp5v 15 дней назад

lmao😂

@georgios_5342 4 месяца назад

This is a very interesting and realistic scenario! In my mind, any scenario where Turkey joins the Axis (whether this one or the one where Turkey loses the war of independence to Greece) ends in Germany being the one that the nukes are used on, not Japan. As the Soviet front would be even harder to defend, and the British would probably have limited access to the Mediterranean (even if the Suez wasn't captured, still the Germans would be able to bomb the straight from closer). I think that the Allies would still win the war, but this world would be worse for the Soviets, with them possibly collapsing earlier or a Third World War taking place

@lombardian_mapping 4 месяца назад

I just start watch your viedeo,and......i love these video❤ Respect for you work from italy🇮🇹

@jomp6141 4 месяца назад

I don't really understand why these alt videos undermine Wehrmacht's capacity and buff Stalin's

@ahmethakantozlu1389 4 месяца назад

Bro gave a chunk of Turkey to Greeks and now this Greek state has Turkish majority.

@LoreDad 4 месяца назад

Definitely not supposed to be stable!

@amarjamakovic1297 4 месяца назад

@@LoreDadYou expect from Americans to have knowledge outside Paradox map painters and autism simulators xD

@apineapple3177 4 месяца назад

eh They probably just get ethnically cleansed

@bidenator9760 2 месяца назад

@@amarjamakovic1297 As an American, can't disagree. Someone at my INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS school didn't know where Ecuador is. We're fucked.

@alexanderisg Месяц назад

they didn't while there is also the fact that turkey is just a muslim greece as it was even created by a greek born in Thessaloniki and greece has a lot of turks because the turks breed a lot and sent migrants to greece

@polbatata 4 месяца назад

The map is really good but i've noticed that the North African lakes are marked as provinces, also would like to note that the "kurd protection" thing is really unjustified, Turkey would aim to vassalize Syria and co-operate with Iraq, probably owning the nation's oil refineries and making Iraq depend on Turkish investment, the Cold War also has some flaws, the USSR would not expand further than Imperial borders, an Armenian autonomous zone would be integrated within Communist Turkey and the same can be said for Kurdistan and Southern Turkey, perhaps partioned in Syria with the Sèvres borders. Good video!

@LoreDad 4 месяца назад

This is great feedback, thank you very much!

@LoreDad 4 месяца назад

I hope you all like the video! Minor correction regarding the ending. Sorry to claim that there were osmans still around in 1945. However I do think that they would either try to find someone with a good enough claim, or make an Islamic republic of some kind. Either way, attaturks legacy would not want to be replicated so a kemalist republic is not in the cards. Thanks for watching and appreciate all feedback!

@willimeister2553 4 месяца назад

This would inadvertently be a good timeline for the Greeks and Armenians and even with these gains for the Soviets, their economy would still start to struggle in the same vain they did in our timeline's Cold War though probably with some differences, probably leading to a slighter later collapse of the USSR though perhaps that would depend on how they utilise the Bosphorus for economic purposes.

@apineapple3177 4 месяца назад

I mean Greece is divided So I am not sure how Great it would be

@bwmasterr 4 месяца назад

5:37 incorrect german east border they didnt have the exclave east of the most northern part of general government

@LoreDad 4 месяца назад

Thanks for pointing this out!

@stargazer-elite Месяц назад

3:54 I never heard of this very interesting so the Nazi’s wanted one unified Nordic country? I would say that surprising but considering how Hitler’s essentially tier system of how he viewed other races and ethnicities it makes partial sense.

@ryanelliott71698 4 месяца назад

I think it was TIK HISTORY who discussed the whole delay of Barbarossa thing. Basically the invasion of Yugoslavia didn’t really changed anything, especially once hard factors like the weather is put into effect means it just wasn’t a good idea to invade a month earlier

@DankestTrinketz 4 месяца назад

FINALLY I FOUND THE VIDEO.

@mathiaspoelman1493 4 месяца назад

This is not a part of Aftermath of the Revolution, is it? Which series does this belong to if I may ask?

@LoreDad 4 месяца назад

It’s simply a one-off. Wanted to try something new! Hope you enjoy!

@mathiaspoelman1493 4 месяца назад

@@LoreDad I am curious!

@SamStuffz 2 месяца назад

Where do you get these basemaps!?!?

@LoreDad 2 месяца назад

Should be linked in the description!

@nerino_chan 4 месяца назад

This is a great video! however I do believe that the Axis’s oil motivation for invading Barbarossa was played on too heavily as Germany alone supplied their whole army with sufficient enough synthetic fuel by the mid war, I believe that the Iraqi oil would cause them to delay their invasion as now they have two major oil producing countries under their control and for the time being their need for it was satiated and so they would go for a war in the Mediterranean.

@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 4 месяца назад

Germany in this timeline would be an absolute beast with East Germany, which before the war was largely its economic heartland in key sectors like electronics and mashienery.

@derinselanik1783 4 месяца назад

the music triggers my ptsd

@aarokorkiakangas 4 месяца назад

The map you used for the altaic language family is kinda worng, since it includes uralic languages and it's debated if they're related.

@basedtvrk9125 4 месяца назад

It was the map he used for the ideal Turanic state. Pan-Turanism considers the Turkic, Uralic, Mongolic, Manchurian, Korean, Japanese and even Native American peoples to be Turanic.

@siyacer 4 месяца назад

they are

@aarokorkiakangas 4 месяца назад

@@siyacer it's more like they're unrelated language families that evolved together and that's why they're similar

@thegrandviper1362 4 месяца назад

Hear me out. What if Bulgaria didnt join the losing side in both world wars, I'm hoping it turns into a regional power maybe even a minor power like how Italy was our timeline.

@mappingshaman5280 4 месяца назад

If it doesn't join the losing side it could join the winning side instead. This would probably lead to constantinople falling to Bulgarian and Greek troops in ww1 and one of them would get it in sevres, but ataturk would still rebel, but maybe he'd lose with bulgaria also fighting. As for ww2 they could take dobrudga from Romania. Also if bulgaria owns constantinople turkey might join the axis. If bulgaria doesn't capitulate they would join the west during the cold War. If they do, the soviets will install a puppet government like they did in Poland.

@apineapple3177 4 месяца назад

Does ussr get a occupation zone in Austria because in the case they didn’t occupy anything in Austria This could lead to the united Austria, joining the western side in the Cold War

@eidoneverchoosen1171 4 месяца назад

Love to see your take on what if the Canadian colonies joined the USA in the American revolution or the USA defeated the britsh army in Canada and annex Canada. Or if the USA in 1866 swayed the Canadain colonies to join the USA as new states. With north America becoming the land of the free and home of the brave.

@00martoneniris86 4 месяца назад

what if Prussia annexed bohemia Austria in the war of unification of Germany And the Habsburgs would be in a rump state in Hungary Croatia and later if they still annex Bosnia What if Austria Hungary was partitioned in 1914 By Germany Russia romania Serbia Italy Zwitserland and Liechtenstein

@Canalisbach 11 дней назад

Could you do a what if Joseph Ferdinand von Bayern lives longer because possibly the Wittelsbachs could have been the successors to the Habsburgs as Karl VII Albrecht was Joseph Ferdinand's half brother meaning both branches of Wittelsbach split off into Español Wittelsbach and Bayerischer Wittelsbach. Weiter Darüber Hinaus Loredad.

@Dbstarwastaken 4 месяца назад

❤

@theweirdclasher3955 4 месяца назад

Please stop asking me to contact loredad so you can be adopted by him

@birisi916 4 месяца назад

I doubt Armenian SSR can take over western armenia since it now has a Turkish super majority 30 years after the cleansings, it would just lead to heavy guerilla warfare and eastern anatolia is known for being mountainous and cold, it also lacked good infrastructure at that time. For Greek gains, I think it would also lead to heavy guerilla warfare with Greek authority being only recognized in the coast. So the only way for the gains to work are massive deportations and population transferings which can end up violent. Kurdistan is fine though, it would just be administratively feudal-likd due to concentration of asirets (pastoralist clans/tribes).

@Ali-bu6lo 4 месяца назад

You don't seem to know much about the amount of ethnic cleansing that happened towards the end and in the aftermath of WWII. millions of Germans were expelled from Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and other eastern Europeans nations and even from large parts of Germany annexed to Poland by the USSR while millions of Poles were ethnically cleansed out of Lithuania, Ukraine and Belarus.

@yazovgaming 4 месяца назад

They can easily expel them and make Resettlement programs for the Natives to return.

@birisi916 4 месяца назад

yeah but unlike those places, anatolia is very mountainous

@Ali-bu6lo 4 месяца назад

@@birisi916 Being mountainous didn't save the Armenians from being wiped out from those regions in WWI.

@apineapple3177 4 месяца назад

@@birisi916 Do you think people in more mountainous regions weren’t Ethnically cleanse Even in the World War II example the Sudetenland was Pretty heavily ethnically cleanse, and it was a mountainous region

@sahilhossain8204 2 месяца назад

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@eminkaanozer2827 4 месяца назад

Also you should think about Turkic population under the soviet regime they can uprise against russians and support Turkiye

@RealMrStreets 4 месяца назад

what about the invasion of iran 1941

@Kpro132 4 месяца назад

You mean Lebanon AND Syria

@svart7716 4 месяца назад

If Turkey joined the war on either side WW2 would have lasted 2 more years..

@luvv4kevv 4 месяца назад

The British already invaded Iraq in 1941 and invaded Iran as well to help the USSR.

@ChangeNameEdits 3 месяца назад

Uh oh

@woojoo6382 4 месяца назад

Scenario: what if turkey stayed neutral during ww2

@LoreDad 4 месяца назад

Genius

@justacat2 4 месяца назад

another scenario: what if germany joined the axis during WW2

@woojoo6382 4 месяца назад

another another scenario: what if britain joined the allies during ww2

@Qued_ 4 месяца назад

Þe alternative history porsen????

@sawtdar5663 4 месяца назад

8. Sınıf İnklap Tarihi ve Atatürkçülük

@Leatly 4 месяца назад

Hello

@apineapple3177 4 месяца назад

Let’s be thankful turkey didn’t join the axis 🇹🇳🇹🇳🇹🇳🇹🇳🇹🇳🇹🇳

@Finley.qdaly4 4 месяца назад

That's Tunisia's flag...

@apineapple3177 4 месяца назад

@@Finley.qdaly4 nah it’s turkey

@geography_europe 4 месяца назад

@@apineapple3177Bro it’s Tunisia’s search up Tunisia’s flag

@mappingshaman5280 4 месяца назад

@apineapple3177 trust me, I've been to both, that's tunisia. Just type tunisia on your phone and see the suggested flag

@apineapple3177 4 месяца назад

@@mappingshaman5280 I did All I see is Turkey this Is the flag for Tunisia 🇹🇷

@JetHistorian-vv5ji 4 месяца назад

They would have welcomed Operation Barbarossa so then in maybe 1945 or 1944 soviet union would annex turkey, Over the invasion but secretly wanting to take this muslim and OTTOMAN empire former ottoman territories and it wouldve been a comminust turkey that helped with kurdish-turkish unification due to comminusum

@LoreDad 4 месяца назад

I didn’t know this. Thanks for sharing!

@JetHistorian-vv5ji 4 месяца назад

🌍@@LoreDad

@Otto1Bismarck 4 месяца назад

Mehmet Recep Peker was a muslim. But he was defending laic state here is one of his statements in assembly: I am a Muslim, my nation is Turkish and my political belief is a man who believes in the principles of the Kemalist CHP, that is, I am laic.

@wotanvonedelsburg1610 4 месяца назад

Turky was not neutral...

@LoreDad 4 месяца назад

How not?

@user-ng8uy2px7q 4 месяца назад

@@LoreDad we turks declared war against germans at last day of fall of berlin

@zevnduck9904 4 месяца назад

"Soviet access to the Med" Greek Aghean Islands :nuh uh

@TheKostathe 4 месяца назад

"As Ataturk could be considered a Proto-Fascist" Greek, Armenian and Kurdish bros: Yeah.... about that. But in all serousness though, I really did enjoy this video and how the end scenario played out. You've given me plenty of insperation there pal and got my creative alt. history juices flowing. And let's be honest here, from an alternate history perspective, them joinging the axis would be the more plausible one (IMO). Considering how pro german they were in OTL and not to mention the kind of crap that they have done, setting the example for Uncle H's final solution.

@bmyt4249 4 месяца назад

describing him as fascist is as stupid as it could get.

@TheKostathe 4 месяца назад

@@bmyt4249 Then what do you describe the Armenian Genocide then huh ? Or the tourching of Smirna, you know... THE PLACE WHERE MY PEOPLE ENDED UP DYING !!!! These are all ethnic cleansings and not to mention that said cleansings, would help to create the term genocide.

@birisi916 4 месяца назад

Armenian Genocide was done by Three Pasha reign in Ottoman Empire, the government that Ataturk heavily criticized. Fire of Smyrna wasn't ordered by Ataturk.

@yazovgaming 4 месяца назад

@@birisi916 Ataturk participated in the Rapid Expulsions and massacres of the Christians in Anatolia from 1917-1922.

@TheKostathe 4 месяца назад

@@birisi916 They "HeAviLy CrItIcIzEd" it, but nothing was actually done to amend or help our poor Amenian comrades and yet despite that, what did they do ? Hm.... what was it.... Oh yes, THEY DENIED THAT IT HAPPENED !!!! And the same is true for the Fires or Smyrna. Witch speaking of "Wasn't ordered by Ataturk". Yeah sure, keep cooping hareder, am shore the scream of my people will go away, if you keep listening to Turkish Propaganda.

@ADWYETYATRIPATHYBEI 4 месяца назад

Quite informational! Sorry Neo Nazis... Papa H ain't winning in any timeline :')

@bossy1496 4 месяца назад

theres 1 way they could win, the US not joining the war or sending any lend lease to the soviets. Only reason why the USSR managed to get out any of its industry or mobilize its millions was directly due to the US lend lease, with some factories only being moved away mere days before the Germans would've gotten there, alongside this, the Soviets wouldn't of been able to put up any sort of offense since they'd lack the hundreds of thousands of trucks and other vehicles to transport trucks. Although in this ending, most likely the soviets would take millions more losses possibly seeing operation unthinkable be slightly more plausible.

@ADWYETYATRIPATHYBEI 4 месяца назад

@@bossy1496 Ahh you are right... It's always Uncle Sam to the rescue... I remember reading that the lend lease was provided to the GBR and FRA in 1939 itself! Roosevelt circumvented Congress through some cash and carry method... Ig American Mil Industrial Complex is too broken and op XD