russians might have annexed istanbul outright since the population of the city back then wasnt that high. also the east of turkey would have been given to the georgian ssr not the armenian one
I wonder what United States of Poland will be alivibe to do. (First time seeing someone actually using this proposition in alternative history, and a mod to hoi4. Excited to play it)
Proof positive that the Alternate History side of RU-vid is both starved for creators that haven't turned to either the far left or far right and political commentary and that our brain is easily manipulated through "Ohhh look, pretty map!!". This is somehow both 'Alt History like fantasy football' (having Montgomery and Rommel together, whatever the hell that the UESR is) and halfway good.
I did this accidentally and I abandoned my scenario becouse it was very unrealistic, and I started thinking on a realistic one of "What if Germany Won WW1" doing all this mistakes. That scenario didn't convinced me and I abandoned it. Maybe I'm going to make my first scenario a series on a youtube channel.
Frankly a Mod similar to TNO in this type of setting is genius and amazing with it being set on Christmas Day of 1959 leading immediately to German Africa slowly then quickly collapsing and Germany desperately trying to keep its European hegemony afloat with an extremely Pakt sided Halifax Conference leading to the Entente being merged into the Reichpakt as everyone thats not Britain or France having collapsing and/or being invaded and with France barely escaping Africa as it abandons its colonies by taking the equipment and soldiers to return home, with Syndicalist resistance weakening the Entente to becoming normal Pakt members similar to Romania or Bulgaria. India becoming United under the Bharat Commune but quickly abandoning Syndicalism to return to OTL India due to Resistance within the Government, It's conquered territories, and the Population making it extremely hard to follow Syndicalism with the new Indian Government attempting to Play off between Japan and the USAR while trying to walk the tight between Syndicalism and Capitalist factions in the Government. Russia could have the old classic TNO treatment of Central Russia from the Urals to Lake Irkurtsk (forgot the name) having a Warlord era with Transamur and the German occupied practically colony Moscow Government unable and somewhat unwilling to take over Central Russia allowing for the USAR to support Warlords to gain the 3rd Pawn in Russia or Japan or Germany managing to get their Proxy to win and Join their Russia. This would allow for Central Asia to become interesting as a TNO size Afghanistan, Beaten Iran, and a 3rd central asian Member to be the Guardians of Central Asia with Afghan Puppets bitten off of the Dominion of India and the tiny states no bigger than Kyrgyzstan be protected in a silent pact to guard the steppes and mountains and act as a neutral region between the Pakt and the Sphere. This is an extremely interesting scenario with more wars with interesting plots and reasons and should have been what the Kalterkreig Mod would become.
Only problem I have with this is that it concludes that a hyper-revolutionary state such as the KR CSA would bend to the demands of substantial minorities with the idea they even support the idea of minority or linguistic autonomy, you brought this up to be fair and I acknowledge that this is the intent of this project. This proposed USSR is cool in concept, I like the idea a lot, however, it would be more compelling imo that these local groups, specifically Native, French, and possibly African American, be the bedrock of a substantial resistance to this revolutionary state. If anything, these would be token autonomous states on paper, much like in the irl USSR (Only to prop up the Central Parties power in the region). Perhaps some form of radical redistribution from the white upper class occurs, or tension over Central Party appointed Anglo-American Governors to Quebec which would underscore the revolutionary system and its eccentricities. Perhaps a certain political (Perhaps some local communist organizations Qubecois and African Americans such as the CPC and a radicalized NNC) class develops as impromptu pseudo-warlords of the USSR in these areas, much like the irl Eastern Block which were reinforced by Soviet Occupation. I will say however, I believe it is tropey to assume simply because of USSR or Communism that this hypothetical would lead to a 1-1 recreation, ofc there will be similarities which can be developed as I stated prior, but much of the American populace have a strong alignment to democratic principles or at the very least local individuality when it comes to culture, which is something if it is to be developed this way, the USSR would have to reckon with. With all that said, these are much different of a Marxist theoretical state, Syndicalism, depending on its exact implementation might not even need a cohesive ethnic or linguistic autonomy, things like that can be sprung up through guilds and unions freely, if allowed by the Central Government, if there is one analogous to a core Government which is centered in Chicago. One thing I would find really interesting is representing the amorphous state-hoods which could develop in a Anarcho-Syndaclist system and all the issues that can bring. Perhaps the West Coast for example wishes to maintain former state bodies such as California, Oregon, and Washington(which the hyper-radical wish to demarcate based off perceived inequities or theory), while central areas of the revolution, the rust belt, can be a messy bureaucracy of overlapping organizations and unions which embody a pseudo-state. Inversely, if the Second Continental Congress in lore goes down a much more totalist path, we can see the reinforcing of state bodies being reinterpreted into a number of areas. Forced population movements in a guise of ensuring work(and the idea of the working man) and effectiveness from the paragons of the party, Iowa could become a dystopic extractive state where people are worked to maximize corn output for example probably reinterpretations of state governments being applied as punishment to 'rebellious' states during the 2nd Civil War. Or have a fusion of all of this, maybe the 2nd Congress is messy and ineffectual leading to a number of interpretations of Syndicalism to be adopted in other areas creating a strange confederation of communist systems which could be the basis of a number of issues.
Hey loredad. On native Canada, I've been working on some ideas: (I shall be referring to it as the "Indigenous Autonomy) 1. Expand it to include northern ontario (minus thunder bay and towns bordering the great lakes. Historically Cree areas have remained very much populated by people of Cree descent, and there's little doubt those communities in northern ontario would seek to join the native autonomy. Minus, the communities around the great lakes, which to my knowledge are white-dominated communities. Honestly nearly all lands encompassed by the Canadian shield would and should probably be included in the native republics. 2. Give the Indigenous Autonomy cores on (but not possesion of) northern Quebec and Labrador. Southern Quebec (saint lawrence river and seaway area) is undoubtably dominated by white French-speaking descendants of settlers, but northern Quebec and Labrador are very much populated by indigenous peoples, and it makes sense that they wouldn't feel quite at home under Quebecois totally-not-nationalism. This can, and in my opinion should, form a point of tension between Quebec and the Indigenous Autonomy, as it does today, internally. 3. Give a new tag, the "Metis Republic" cores on UASR controlled- Manitoba and Saskachewan. This is to represent a second point of contention between Quebec, so-called "champion of French-Canadiens" and the Indigenous Autonomy, as the Metis are mixed-race descendants of the relatively tame interactions between French traders and Indigenous tribes, and as we'll cover, the Indigenous Autonomy doesn't YET have a language acceptance issue, so why can't another French-speaking community be a part of their community? This "Metis Republic" tag wouldn't exist at game start, but core on it's territory could be gained by either (or both) Quebec and the Indigenous Republic. Perhaps an arbitration between the Federal government in Chicago, and the two competing Autonomous republics could resolve the issue? Would that just piss off one side, or leave everyone unstatistfied? Other mods also include Alberta in this but honestly I feel Albertans IRL don't have much real cultural connection to Metis/French-speaking prairie dweller history. The Metis rebellion also never reached so far west. Especially after the oil boom, Alberta is quite white Anglo-Canadian dominated. 4. An option to force an otherwise optional focus for the feds to push for a referendum on Greenland, potentially reuniting it with their Inuit kin in the Autonomy, with Quebec potentially throwing a hissy fit if it happens or if the referendum fails/Denmark refuses and a conflict/naval intervention breaks out because the feds decide to push through and annex Greenland anyway. 5. All starting infrastructure and railways should be routed in a colonial manner, meaning that the Indigenous Autonomy at start should be utterly hamstrung by poor infrastructure and sparse railways that mostly point south towards cities at start controlled by the federal government, as well as sparse ports and small airfields. However, they should be relatively well-off in termsvof resources with many more unlocked with higher excavation techs. These things should be true of all of the Canadian shield area. 6. Give the Indigenous Autonomy claims on areas of the Black hills, coastal British Columbia, Northern Vancouver Island, Northern Nevada, Oklahoma, areas of Idaho and Oregon and washington state, a sizeable area north of Atlanta (Cherokee claims), Northeast-New York state (Iroquois territory), half of Florida, and other areas of the former USA especially. As the "Native Autonomy" would undoubtably be considered the primary champion of indigenous sovereignty across North America, it would definitely seek to involve itself in the myriad of long-standing land disputes, treaty disputes, and straight up civil (and human) rights violations that would still be prevalent in post-capitalist North America for Indigenous communities. I'd imagine focuses for this tag would largely include: 7: Forcing Federal arbitration of the many, disconnected areas described above, adding cores and possibly even ceding land from all the various North American tags to this tag in preparation for potential conflict. 8: An ongoing "state" (national) language dispute. The starting territory of the Indigenous Autonomy is english-speaker dominated, but it's most popular non-colonial language would be Cree, with it being relatively unstandardized between sister-tongues, and having many english and french loan words. Naturally, whether or not the Indigenous Autonomy keeps it's colonial tongue or attempts to reclaim it's ancestral language (languages?) depends on the outcome of this language debate. This series of focii can also help determine which areas of N.A. the Indigenous Autonomy can gain cores on: A.) A strictly national indigenous language (Cree) would alienate other tribes who do speak very different languages of their own, granting the least cores but the best national buffs. B ) A non-english (french, OR a standardized, mixed-indigenous tongue) national language may alienate many (not all) southern tribes that have lost their ancestral tongues and see no need to administratively burden themselves with learning an essentially foreign, northern tongue, but would greatly increase support among northern communities. This grants moderate cores and small buffs. C.) No national language would grant the most cores, but weaken the political power of the Indigenous Autonomy, with the administrative burden of many diverse languages needing to be handled with care, lest the most popular language/s essentially trample the rights of the smaller communities. D.) Lastly, keeping English as a national language would grant moderate cores but loose cores on populous, and resource and industry possessing French-speaking territories in the Quebec, the Metis Territories, and others, as well as granting some minor buffs and debuffs. Lastly, I feel that regardless of ruling ideology (with the exception of fascism) there should be no limit on who can pursue what path. All of these paths should be open to all ideologies, simply because I think it would be more interesting to represent indigenous awakening as movement rather that the parties seek to appeal to, rather than something manifested by them. Thus, whomever is in power to take credit for a positive development has their popularity boosted, rather than specific language debate paths being focused on one party or another. I could keep going, but I feel this is enough for now. Feel free to steal all of this ideacrafting, or reach out if you're curious.
Epic, high effort post! I’m not working on a successor mod but it would be great if your ideas were incorporated into that hypothetical revival! Great work.
A good counterbalance for German Hegemony vs Russia is having the breakaway republics or other actors not german aligned in totality, but guaranteed, much like KR does with the caucasus republics (even if that doesnt last) et all - there are plenty of variations on this, as these countries would be balancing the need for German (or japanese support) with being dominated by them versus the same from Russia. You can do a lot more with this than most mods do, but at the end of the day theres only so much you can do in the framework of HoI4.
California kept its own state Progressive Party after the national one dissolved in 1920. A party which, even in OTL, was very high profile in state politics into the 1940s. If the scenario is going with the furthest left liberalism can go before “New Deal liberalism” (classical radicalism), the most realistic option wouldn’t be the regional Midwestern party but this Californian one instead. Despite this being known for being “Roosevelt’s party”, Hiram Johnson (the party’s leader and first governor) was closer to La Follette. (Also, if any party was ever going to get Georgism done, it would’ve been them.)
To weaken Germany, you could change it so Mittelafrika collapses and the entente survives in Britain, Iberia, Iceland and French North Africa. Although this Entente can’t rival the major powers, Germany needs their support in Africa and the Atlantic to prevent US influence from threatening Europe. Germany must protect these Entente members, which comes at a cost: they can increasingly demand concessions from Germany based on Cold War outcomes. If the US collapses and Japan gains influence in Africa (possibly alongside the Ottomans), French exiles might push for the return of mainland France or ally with Japan. If Germany decides not to protect them then the US can take over Iceland, North Africa and maybe Iberia. Just some thoughts.
Just me having some ideas: Idk if I am too late for this, but maybe to improve this mod, there could be an Entente in Europe to counter this op germany faction An Entente out of: England-Wales (Scotland splits off and is more in german sphere like Ireland), Norway, France, Spain, Portugal, Greece There could be Cossacks States influenced by germany and Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia being influenced by the Ottomans and Germans Italy could be neutral and fought over by Entente and Germany, same with Switzerland To make Japan a bit more stronger give them a puppet in East Siberia basically Transamur, also Siam and Burma under Japanese faction South America could be split between a Entente/Germany leaning Brazil and a Argentina-Chile Syndicalist Confederation No idea what to do about the Balkans
I very much agree with the sentiment of this video. One of my most enjoyable projects was an alternate history scenario surrounding the Wars of the Roses in England. Aside from being thoroughly interesting in research as a result of the sheer messiness of the period, I was really happy with the scenario I created because it focused on something that could easily and believably have changed (two nobles managing to make up and work together instead of falling out OTL and separately being destroyed) and also because I didn't go in to the scenario seeking a specific outcome. Although it's not necessarily interesting for any and all changes to our timeline, I think just changing something relatively small and then figuring out the most plausible result of the changes is a highly underrated form of alternate history and also assists in creating an unbiased scenario where the results of changes are based more on your evaluation of context and the changes that you have made to it rather than the idea or goal of a proposed 'what if' scenario. As a result of this method, it also massively assists in maintaining the plausibility of your scenario because of the way you go about creating the butterfly effect from the event or events that you change(d). On top of that, it's a really good way to generate unique stories and narratives from a more grounded perspective where you can focus on the point of view of perhaps the one person who's mindset you changed, the people that surround them or something to that general effect. Oh and if you're curious about the scenario I mentioned, here's an overview: Point of divergence (1471) - Edmund Beaufort, 4th Duke of Somerset and Warwick successfully make amends and by cooperating with their political influence avoid being completely destroyed by Edward IV when he lands back in England, giving Queen Margaret and Edward of Westminster time to get off of the continent and reinforce them. The resulting battles annihilate Edward IV and effectively break the Yorkist cause right there and then. From this point I generated a few notable events (with full justifications too long to put in a RU-vid comment) that occur in 1475 after some years of peace and relative stability: >Henry VI remains alive although severely unwell (OTL he was most likely killed in 1471 after being defeated in battle, he was sickly all throughout his life however and likely would not have lived much longer than this in any case) >Queen Margaret and Warwick restart the War of the Roses in early 1475 after some years of worsening relations in parliament and another noble conspiracy brews against Henry VI with lines once again drawn between noble families as George Plantagenet, Duke of Clarence is proclaimed George I by Warwick in an act of opposition that truly restarts the conflict. >Henry Tudor (having not been exiled as he was OTL but still being young and ambitious as well as well positioned to take advantage of the previously Yorkist and now simply dissatisfied Welsh marcher lords) takes the opportunity establish a Welsh kingdom with popular support against the infighting Lancastrians and the cooperation of disenfranchised ex-Yorkist nobles. He becomes Henry VII... of Wales, as the Wars of the Roses reignite around him. He would be eighteen at this time. >Popular and majority of noble support is on the side of Warwick who secures many of his old noble alliances as well as a mandate from the peasantry who do not like Queen Margaret (historically she was hated for being French and betraying her country in the Surrender of Maine) but the Queen has the support of the French and a much superior financial position as well as control over London and the current king which sways some nobles; not to mention the Scottish are still fighting Warwick intermittently as he has greater control over the north with his noble allies. All this to say that I agree and I think that people should approach alternative history either as you describe or by learning more about the period, place and people in which/where/through whom their point of divergence of may occur and just seeing what happens when you change something seemingly small yet highly plausible without a specific scenario in mind. The strangest things can happen from the most mundane of changes as long as they happen at a crucial moment.
Y'know, I never got the whole american balkanization thing that kaiserreich mods are obbessed with, especially when even in the case of the rocky mountain cease fire its made explicitly clear that even that is seen by the PSA and whatever other faction is remaining as a temporary ceasefire until the final war for reunification can begin.
