What if You Could Dual Wield Secondaries? [TF2] 

Imagine seeing a Gunslinger engineer running at you with 2 pistols

I really do wish Heavy had 4 loadout slots. Meaning that both shotguns and lunch box items can be equipped. It would make the Shotgun more useful and encourage heavies to use it more often without having to sacrifice a free healing source. I think overall it would give more variety to playing Heavy which he desperately needs.

I got all excited, "dual-wielding Handguns on Scout! Dual-wielding Mad Milk!" "No duplicates." "My hopes and dreams!"

Turning pyro into a flaming dual wielding gunslinger from hell sounds both terrifying and awesome

Imagine a eyelander demo with a charge n targe and the tide turner it would be so busted with the highest shield resistance and the best mobility from a shield

I personally think that heavy should have an additional slot like spy's invis watch for his lunchbox items, this would mean that you have a primary damage dealer, a secondary for when you want to be ready for enemies when moving forward along with the helpful utility of the lunchbox items. This would actually make heavy a lot more practical and would even mean there would be some more merit to introducing more secondary weapon variance

I would easily give up the crossbow to run both the Medi Gun and the Kritzkrieg, but if the ubercharge meter is shared between the two, it probably wouldn't be that great

Timestamps Info: 0:25 Scout: 0:40 Soldier: 1:28 Pyro: 3:05 Demo: 4:29 Heavy: 6:38 Engineer: 7:10 Medic: 7:40 Sniper: 8:28 Spy: 8:49

I can imagine there would be some sort of "support" pyro playstyle with the gas passer and shotguns so you could actually somewhat make use of the gas lol

In fairness, I’d say the biggest problem with a flare gun+scorch shot strat would be the scorch shot and not really the concept overall. That thing is broken by itself, so pairing it with another flare gun would be even more broken.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought about having two secondaries and it replacing its primary

During the Pyro section, Blue says that he could think of an instance of having a shotgun and flaregun combo. I then thought about using the Scorch Shot to knock people into the air and then switching to the Reserve Shooter while the target is in midair. Just a thought I had.

I've always felt like Heavy should be allowed to equip food items in the primary slot if it's not already being used in the secondary slot. Ik fat scout would still be worse than actual Heavy, but it would be a lot more fun and actually pretty good.

I absolute love the idea of a demoflightknight, sticky jumper + shield Imagine hearing a screaming terror from the sky before looking up and proceeding to being slashed in half

9:00 so the revolvers are actually considered secondaries, so you could pair the l’etranger with the deadringer for extra cloak, and run either the ambassador or stock for ultimate gun spy and we would replace either the knoife or sapper

Okay, but what if any combination of weapons? Imagine popping into spawn, and your heavy is just hot swapping between two different minniguns? Or the engineer is holding a wrench while using the gunslinger, granting him the on-the-fly choice between a mini-sentry and a regular sentry.

i swear this is gonna cause some high level scouts to just never die because they’re running pocket pistol and mad milk

2:35 it already exists, freedom scout, rocket jumper and shotgun

the danger shield and smg would be pretty scary to pyros and medic's with stock and kritz would be fucking horrifying if 2 medics are using the same weapons

For Demoman, I think Stock Stickybomb launcher combined with the Chargin' Targe and your melee of choice would be the way to go. It's like the gunboats but better.

I think the real question is can Great Blue beat heavy in a strongman contest?

6:28 Ok instead imagine the sticky jumper with a sheild the sheer amount of mobility when paired with a sword or stock melee (cause demos is actually kinda good) would be kinda amazing

as a battle engie the idea of running stock or widowmaker with frontier justice and gunslinger makes me _very happy_ also, you kinda just glossed over the fact that the wrench is kinda necessary for Engineer and just jumped straight to replacing the shotgun

It makes sense that demo probably has one of the easiest times with two secondaries, since the sticky launcher is effectvely a second primary, you won't miss pipes as much

Well for spy his revolver is taken as a secondary weapon slot when crafting a slot token so if he were to have 2 secondary’s than it would be the revolver instead of the sapper since sappers are considered as a building. If you go into the inventory it revolvers go into the secondary weapon type and sappers are in the building tyupe

I think that using the short circuit with the wrangler would be really OP, a skilled player could make it so their sentry is practically un-killable.

the submachine gun does not suck lmao it's so underrated, it does pretty good damage, i actually find myself missing it a lot when i go for jarate.

2:02 You're telling me?

For the medi guns, I'd say there are some broken combos with the quick fix. Being able to use the best uber out of all mediguns, with faster uber build and healing rate would be very strong, and the overheal penalty would be negated completely by just switching to your stock medigun. Also, for Spy, the sapper isn't considered a secondary. The revolver is his secondary and he has no primary slot. I can definitely see some combos like L'etranger + stock, negating the downside of the L'etranger completely.

Some interesting weapons/concepts I thought of while watching this are the sorta primary weapons that assist secondaries, like the booties for demo. Imagine a sniper primary that made the smg more powerful maybe trading rewarding single shot precision to rewarding good tracking or repeat hits. Maybe a primary that lets you akimbo the smh or maybe even the pistol for engie and scout?

I always thought it would made more sense for scout to have a special duel wielding secondary

What if certain cosmetics could actually give bonuses? Like Medic's bulletproof vest would give 15% bullet damage resistance, or the MK1 would let you breathe underwater for a limitless time.

I feel like running the crossbow with the overdose would be pretty fun and viable since you'd still have the long range burst healing/damage dealing capabilities of the crossbow and the ability to escape a sticky situation with the overdose

I love playing sniper with the cc as my primary, having jarate to assist with filling up crikey and allowing more bushwhacka crits would be a lot of fun

I've always wanted a heavy primary that replaces the minigun and either just makes him more tanky or gives him heal on hit.

2:36 Scoldier?

I love these type of videos, something about tf2 but what if scenarios never gets old

8:42 jarate + razorback

3:29, finally snyro

This would be really interesting in medieval mode and is the other option to an idea I had to making primaries that are medieval mode friendly

I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING. I love the idea of scout duel welding pistols at the same time

Came back here to say something I realized, regarding the conceptual "lunchbox" loadout slot. Scout would have to have that slot too, and that means that everyone is probably using Crit A Cola, and that thought terrifies me.

Spy: This is a bucket Soldier: 8:51

Next video "What If You Could Triple Wield Melees? (And Dual Wield Melees with One Secondary)" For Pyro, I think the issue lies with the Scorch Shot, if this were to be implemented the Scorch Shot would definitely need some limitations. The Manmelter one seems a lot more fair because it's not AOE and you have to have crits stored. How I'd personally balance Demoman for this is by making him have two primaries instead of two secondaries. I'd do this because his secondary is arguably more important and stronger than his primary. Plus if you could somehow use stickybombs and a shield he'd be busted, also it just wouldn't work because they're both Alt-Fire. This is a much better solution that allows two Grenade Launchers. Like having the Iron Bomber and the Loose Cannon. Or a Grenade Launcher and the Booties for the bonus health. For Medic, you'd probably have to either deny him from having this feature or lock at least the Medi Gun in place, and give him the option to run two Syringe Guns and have no melee option or two Melees and have no Crossbow Also for Spy, I'd personally allow him to something special as well, the ability to run either two Revolvers or two Knives. Both would have their ups and downs. Gun Spy would have a lot more utility, being able to run the L'etranger and Ambassador for high damage output and cloak regen. And dual knife Spy would be fun because you can double up bonuses, but you'd probably double up downsides too, can you imagine running around as a 45 health Spy with the Big Earner and Kunai and overhealing to large amount with both a speed boost and high health if you swap between knives. Also potential names for "Stocky Scout" - Patriot Scout - Warcrime Scout - Banner Scout

4:13 The real meme strat with Pyro would, of course, be using a shotgun with the Gas Passer. The fact that this actually has some weird form of synergy is alarming. (Low-key this and some of the other jank that can happen is one of the reasons I want to see Shounic do tests and see what could end up working as at least weird meme strategies.)

Dual bison end of story

God, I wish this was in a community server somewhere. That would be so fun to mess around with.

Completely missed the opportunity to call soldier "Stout Scout"

2:20 i shall name it, Drafted scout

Solving heavy could be simple: allow him to equip shotguns as primary. Engineer already has shotguns as a primary, it wouldnt be unprecedented.

other people: using smart and strong loadouts Me: Scout with the Crit-A-Cola, Bonk Atomic Punch, and the Holy Mackerel

You should do "The evolution of TF2 class playstyles" or something along those lines. For those who dont know i think it would be cool to learn that.

1:29 Blue casually voting to not kick the bot

3:45 just make it so the flare guns share ammo, and don't reload passively, so it would be a mid range burst damage tool for countering classes that run away a lot, like soldier and demo.

Letting Spy have two watches would be absolutely broken due to one combination in particular: the Dead Ringer and the Cloak and Dagger. What you'd have is a spy being able to feign death, then just choosing not to decloak thanks to the CaD regenerating cloak while not moving. Even with the fact that the Dead Ringer draining your remaining cloak meter on decloak, simply getting an ammo pack after decloaking would refill it since the CaD can still refill with ammo. A Dead Ringer with effectively infinite cloak duration sounds like a horrifying concept.

From the thumbnail, I just assumed you'd be dual wielding each weapon at the same time like in halo. So for the mediguns, you'd have one uber meter that'd be the combined effects of both guns at the same time. Imagining a kritzkrieg with stock uber at the same time is a horrifying prospect. Also, congrats on a hundo thousand subs.

It be funny if you encounter a demo with the tide turner and sticker jumper, giving him insane mobility and a scary hybrid knight playstyle

Better question: What if TF2 let you equip whatever You want in whatever slot You wanted on any character that YOU wanted? :D (In cases of collisions, like Medic healing & Spy watches, each item has it's own meter, or maybe a 3rd meter that maybe only starts charging when BOTH other meters are full, and THAT meter can be used as a combined meter, as described in the video)

The righteous bison makes all of my bones turn off

do you think heavy should have a 4th weapon slot for food items?

I had an idea on reworking the weapon slots: one that can be a primary, secondary, or melee, one that can be a secondary or melee, and one that can only be a melee. It wouldn't change much, but I like the idea of Demoman running the Caber, Chargin' Targe/Splendid Screen, and Persian Persuader.

8:30 they both suck? the carbine is ass but the smg puts out great damage if you can track

7:49 Stock Medigun and the Kritzkrieg both use the same backpack. Only the other two have their own.

My ideas of what double primaries would be like if they replace secondaries Scout: Immediate thoughts would be any combination of Stock, Force-of-Nature, and Shortstop. Stock is always good, and would make up for the faults of the other two. The more fun combo would be FoA/Shortstop, since the Shortstop makes up for the close range of FoA. I mean pistols exist so it wouldn’t be groundbreaking but hey it makes one of my favorite guns a bit more useful. Soldier: At first I thought the Liberty Launcher and it’s reduced self damage would be amazing, but then I remembered the gunboats exist so that’s a no go. But then I remembered the Rocket Jumper exists and would be perfect utility for rollouts. A fun kind of meme loadout is Direct Hit/Beggar’s Bazooka, since you are combining the perfect skill-based accuracy of the Direct Hit with the “fuck it” accuracy of the Beggar’s. The charged shot of the Cow Mangler could be good utility. I’m not a big soldier main so I might be missing something Pyro: Dragon’s Fury/any other flamethrower is a good combo. Not nearly the range of a shotgun or flare gun, but it’s pretty cool (or hot haha). The combination of stock/any other flamethrower could be common, since stock is the best for airblasts. The best combo I can think of is Phlog/Degreaser, giving Phlog quick access to airblast, which is really good. Demoman: Booties/any Grenade Launcher is a combo. Not sure how useful it would be but +25 health is +25 health. Loose Cannon could combine with another grenade launcher so you have a bit better of a close range weapon Heavy: Tomislav/Brass Beast is really good I think. Tomislav for moving around the map with its faster rev speed and then using the Brass Beast for when you can prepare for an attack could be pretty powerful. Also has the ammo pool of two miniguns, so less of a need for ammo boxes or dispensers. Engineer: Already outlined how terrifying Engineer would be, and I can’t think of anything other than the Widowmaker/Rescue Ranger allowing you to play more aggressively and far from your sentry. Need to repair your sentry? Shoot the enemy than shoot your sentry Medic: Blutsager/Crossbow for best Battle Medic and that’s about it Sniper: Piss Rifle/Huntsman could be fun. Anything with Huntsman really for a decent close range weapon. The Machina would pair greatly with either the Bazaar Bargain (if it carried over between weapons) or the Hitman’s Heatmaker’s focus Spy: Already talked about everything except Melee, so real quick you could combine the Kunai and Big Earner to give a grand total of 45 Health. Idk why you would do that but you could Overall, Spy and Medic are boring and the Engineer haunts my dreams more than he already did from class wars

yk i look back to the outro video one year ago the pvz graze the roof remix and 1 year later your using it what a legend man

Video Idea: If you were to theorize melee builds for each of the nine classes (using custom weapons) how would you go about balancing it mechanically and thematically? Maybe the engineer could have a lasso or something as a melee-enabling primary for example.

@1:25 I've never seen an engineer do a split before. 10/10 one of the funniest ragdolls ive seen

0:11 OH MY GOD

Video idea: To get some players together, and everyone on one team has to use the scout alien set and the other has to use the pyro alien set This would be interesting becouse if someone with the scouts alien set hits a pyro with the set it does 200/300% more damage and vise versa

Imagine duel wielding the wrangler and short circuit. Nothing but a sniper could take you down.

nfh, i rafu; haste sntso vicdso asdp bean uoi sre hab 10:17

Great Blue has the best outros out of any youtuber. you have the random "If you hated this video, do X before doing Y" and then the Banger of a Graze the Roof remix.

Imagine if you could have two secondaries AND a primary though. Trolldiers with base jumper+mantreads would be terrors of the skies.

Your comment about the sticky bomb launcher made me think: What if every class could only use demoman weapons.

In my tf2.5 experiment, all classes get a fourth slot for "lunchbox" items. The pyro's thermal thruster and the gas passer both count as lunchbox in this.

6:50 you just insulted the every single heavy player, but yes.

2:00 is just amazing the graphic to go with it resonates with me in a fucking utterly hilarious way

I can't help but imagine Spy with 2 Revolvers running up to you and saying "TWELVE SHOTS" before hitting you like Revolver Ocelot

I could see sandman / wrap assassin being good in medieval mode

Weapon Concept for Heavy: Since Heavy is slow and fat and russian "Moving down unprepared opponents is Heavy's thing" ~Lazypurple he needs a tool to find unprepared Opponents which is most fun when combined with Mobility. Concept: Secondary Slot. Jumpboots. Like Pyro Jetpack but just one charge 20 second recharge Time. Thrust max. Jump height matches Scout double Jump height (with Winger optional)

I think that having 2 watches on spy would be annoying as hell, specifically the dead ringer and the cloak and dagger as you could cloak away with the Dr and then have the c&d to indefinitely stay in is until its charged again. Another dumb combo with this is being able to unclean behind someone with full dead ringer charge, no counter play there as it would basically allow spy to constantly be invisible and always have a way out and a way in. pair this with the kuni and you have a combo that would make a 200+ hp dead ringer spy with a way in and out always securing 1 stab with the quiet decloak of the cloak and dagger. Would be op af

The one thing I know is scary is the cloak n dagger and dead ringer combo, as with the cloak and dagger you can stand still to regain cloak. Thus meaning you can switch and use dead ringer once you uncloak.

The banner thing with soldier using conch and shotguns reminds me of the super scout incident. One soldier. One medic. The rest scouts using baby face and crit-a-cola. Blew the conch and every single fucking scout was moving at Mach 5 and doing mini crits.

Blue: "Most of sniper's secondaries are meant to assist sniping" Also blue: Uses footage of the Cleaner's Carbine+ Bushwhacka instead of any sniper rifle combos

Heavy with 2 lunchbox items makes me think of that one Ratatouille scene where Remy tries a new combination of food

7:40 that's what you get for being a boring class.

What a set of pulls on that last tin, thats the perks of opening vintage, you can get really good hits in slots other than the rares!

Soldier with a double shotguns would defenietly be called "American scout".

While you were talking about Scout, I thought about using Stock with the Shortstop. It’s a really strong combo in mind.

All I thought of is the absolute terror I would feel if a demoknight sticky-jumped onto point, random crit, and charged away.

In the vein of Soldier’s Stout Shako, I propose the new name for the Soldier/Scout hybrid subclass to be the “Stout Scout”

Being able to equip the diamondback and letranger would be great as hell as spy lol

ok for demoman, caber, stickyjumper, and tide turner, everyone imagine a man trimp in, bonk you with the funny stick, and stickyjump out in an instant

Imagine how deadly a sticky jumping demoknight could be 💀

Personally, I think giving every class another slot and putting similar secondaries into that slot would be better. For example, Soldier gets his rocket launcher, a shotgun, a banner/boots, and a shovel. Scout gets his scatter gun, a pistol, a can of soda/bottle of milk, and his bat. Pyro gets his flame thrower, a shotgun/flare gun, a jetpack/gas can, and an axe. Only Engineer, medic, and Spy would be unaffected, simply because they don't have weapons that function fundamentally different to the rest of their kit (gunslinger and YER do not count) but I feel like that's fair since those classes have way more potential than people seem to realize.

Honestly I would love to see this video for equipping 2 primaries to see how broken/OP we can make a class 😄

I think we overlooked the idea of a sniper with the cleaners carbine, piss, and a bushwacka. You could build up your crikey meter crazy fast with piss powered smg shots, and then tear through people close range with the bushwacka and full critz. You are like a spy that doesn't need to backstab, and if you want you could use the cozy camper, bushwacka and carbide so that you get a crit powered bushwacka AND decent regeneration

Using the parachute with the stickybomb launcher would be so fun

I imagine considering an uber is only active while you hold the gun and the Loose Cannon and demo secondaries can have separate charge meters that the charge from healing and alt fire buttons would only affect the currently held medigun while the crossbow is great, i imagine a medic with kritzkrieg and their choice of defensive uber would be significantly more terrifying

Family Business + Second Banana/Sandvich sounds so fricken fun.