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What is a Sacrament? | Dr Zachary Porcu 

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@biffkline8771
@biffkline8771 4 месяца назад
A seriously great book!
@feeble_stirrings
@feeble_stirrings 5 месяцев назад
Thoroughly enjoyed Dr. Porcu's book and this conversation. Excited to hear he's working on a sequel of sorts.
@dolphinitely_bro3944
@dolphinitely_bro3944 Месяц назад
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@markpatterson2517
@markpatterson2517 5 месяцев назад
There are both right hand and left handed screws. Most screws tighten clockwise because the majority of people are right handed and prefer it that way. Why procession in the liturgy is in a given direction has some other reason for it. Counter clockwise is not intrinsically a spiral upward to heaven. Perhaps the screw pumps of the yearly first centuries which were used to raise water up to a higher level were standard counter clockwise motion. This error in reason demonstrates that we, subjective creatures, are prone to reading meaning into things which really are not intrinsically there. A Jewish Chinese convert would disagree that the Cross of Christ is at the heart of the 10 Commandments, and would disagree the cross symbol for 10 has any Christ significance. Some Christians would argue that the 10 Commandments have to do with the Law whereas the Cross is grace centered. So, some people subjectively give certain meaning or attribute more meaning to things, and some other people give other meaning or attribute less meaning to the same things. Context matters. Within the context of Judeo-Christian thought, one could say the 10 silver coins, one of which the woman had lost, in the parable Jesus told had something to do with the 10 Commandments, but the number 10 in ancient Chinese culture might not have anything to do with principles or rules guiding one's relationship with God and one's neighbors. This idea that all the world is enchanted bothers me. It's our emotional reactions to things which enchant us or charm us and even sometimes chain us to them. You can't break the chains of sin without breaking the charm sin has on you. The charm or magical spell isn't intrinsically in the thing drawing you to sin. It's in the heart of the sinner. Jesus said that where your treasure lies, there you will find your heart. Adultery, theft, and murder begin in the heart as Jesus taught. It's what comes out of the heart which defiles a man, not the food which goes into the stomach as Jesus said. Pork and shellfish are not intrinsically unclean if cooked properly. The sinner over treasures, exaggeratingly desires, inappropriately wants, inordinately wills. This same sin prone heart gets enchanted and charmed easily by things and inappropriately finds meaning in things which don't have that intrinsic meaning. So, pagans believed certain beautiful or awesome mountains or high places had special significance and called them holy. They erect Asherah poles on them. And some pagans saw power and virility in a bull, made a graven calf out of gold, and worshiped their god of fertility. When the Israelites burned incense to Moses' bronze serpent on the pole, the king of Jerusalem melted it down. High places, bulls, and shiny metals don't have intrinsic power or beauty or awe. They are not enchanted. They are not charmed. They are not intrinsically holy. All this magical thinking and these awe inspired emotions are in the eye of the unenlightened beholder and in the heart of the fallen soul. Plato in his book Charmides addressed the problem that charms have over the soul or psyche. Socrates and others in the book tried to define sophrosyne which was the virtue to see soberly, not unduly influenced by charms. They had difficulty defining it, however Socrates demonstrated it. It is sober, sound mindedness guided by reason, not intoxicated by inordinate emotions. Paul actually uses the word in some of his epistles. The Latin word is temperance which doesn't do it justice. Christ demonstrated it in the wilderness when tested by satan. He had control over his appetites which enter the heart through the flesh. He had every right to turn a stone into bread after fasting 40 days. Yet he didn't use his Spiritual power to satisfy his flesh, or for comfort, or for pleasure. There was something better or more good than that which made it worth forgoing pleasure. Eternal life doesn't come from bread. It comes from the true Manna from Heaven. He also had control over the desire for social standing and political power by declining the kingdoms of the world he saw from the mountain or high place he was taken to. There are many tempting and charming things in the palaces of kings. What does it profit a man to gain the whole world yet lose his soul? In order to be placed high on an earthly or worldly throne, he knew he would have had to bow down to satan who would have then owned his soul. Lastly he was taken to the spiritual high place of the Temple. To be presumptuous that God his Father would keep him from harm and bear him up on angels would be spiritual pride or arrogance, the very sin which brought the fallen satan low. Pride goes before destruction and a lofty spirit before a fall. You could say Jesus embodied the virtue of sophrosyne. It's ironic that many on the spiritual path desire spiritual heights. They chasten their bodies, learn humility having so little, route out fleshly pride, yet they fall for spiritual pride. Instead of becoming moral, they become moralistic. Instead of becoming righteous, they become self-righteous. Instead of becoming holy, they become sanctimonious. Instead of becoming temperate, they become scrupulously austere. They secretly take pride in being humble. They gain wisdom to become intellectually arrogant. Many pharisees were guilty of these things. That is why Jesus called them children of their father satan. Satan knows how to charm. Satan knows how to enchant. The children of satan know how to cast spells. The fallen heart is prone to intoxicating things. The fallen heart isn't sound. It needs healing to become sound minded. It needs sobering. It needs to be discipled by the Logos to learn how to disenchant the pagan world. Then it will not confuse created things with the Creator as Paul addressed in Romans. The disoriented pagan minded need to orient away from the charms of created things to be then reoriented to their Creator. Created things don't have intrinsic beauty and power or awe apart from the Creator who is intrinsically beautiful, powerful, and awesome. The spiral upward to God isn't intrinsically counter clockwise or clockwise. It's Christ-wise. It's Christ's temperate wisdom. His temperate wisdom or sophrosyne is a combination of both wisdom and humbleness or poor in spiritedness. The humble or poor in spirited heart is free of passionate or prideful spirits and is easily guided by the reason or logos of the soul which in turn is guided by the Logos who incarnated as Christ who was gentle and meek of heart. It's difficult for wisdom or reason alone to control the passionate driven heart. Willingness to Christ's wisdom guides the heart whose willfulness was crucified with him. Willingness power is stronger than will power.
@OrthodoxChristianPodcast
@OrthodoxChristianPodcast 5 месяцев назад
I do think it is important to not over read things, but it seems like we live in an age of under-reading things. In "A Secular Age" by Charles Taylor he describes the shift that occurred in the West since the year 1500. One change is that people used to think things had certain qualities that humans connected with (e.g. beauty) and now we are prone to think the things have no inherent qualities and we subjectively and arbitrarily attribute beauty or goodness to certain things. I think C.S. Lewis writes in a similar vein in The Abolition of Man.
@markpatterson2517
@markpatterson2517 5 месяцев назад
​​​@@OrthodoxChristianPodcast But to say every physical thing is enchanted leads to more subjectivity, disregarding objective appeal to reason. A pagan can say all oak trees are enchanted with Thor's spirit, they are sacred, and must not be cut down. You won't be able to reason them out of it because they will claim your disenchanting prejudice causes you to resist being charmed by the spirit of Thor in the oak trees. St. Boniface cut down the Donar Oak to prove he wouldn't be struck by lightning. As he was cutting it down, the wind helped him by blowing it over. Is the wind a symbol of the Holy Spirit? Yes, but the wind isn't the Holy Spirit. The wind is no more holy or sacred than fire or water or earth (the four ancient elements of energy, gas, liquid, solid). So wind shouldn't be revered since it has no beauty, power, or awe apart from God who has the real beauty, power, and awe. This isn't to say God can't set things apart and tell us to treat them as holy as in set apart for the good purpose he has for them as an aid to worship for example. But the set apart things are not worshiped. Holy can mean set apart for ritual purposes, but this isn't moral or spiritual holiness. Only God or angels or humans can be regarded as morally or spiritually holy. When Moses' fiery bronze serpent was set up in the Temple and priests burnt incense to it, the king of Jerusalem melted it down. A symbol or an image isn't the real thing it represents. It doesn't have intrinsic charm. It isn't enchanted with a spirit. If it doesn't aid the mind to conceptualize those things about God or the soul which are difficult to conceptualize, then it has lost any good purpose for which it was made. If it misinforms the mind about God or the soul, then it is harmful. If it fools the mind to worship or revere it or some other god instead of God, then it is pagan or evil. We should disenchant things in order to see that the true beauty and power or awe is not in them, but in God who made them. At best created things can only image God their Creator. Of the created things only beings like angels and humans can become holy images of God in the moral or spiritual sense. Holy men shouldn't be enchanted by created things, only by their Creator. Enchantment by God is loving him and his beauty and receiving his Holy Spirit who has his power.
@markpatterson2517
@markpatterson2517 5 месяцев назад
Seeing beauty in some created things shouldn't fool us into thinking they have intrinsic beauty apart from God. Seeing the beauty should make us see the intrinsic beauty in their Creator. The same goes when recognizing the power in some created things. Their Creator has the ultimate power. Jesus wasn't awed by Pilate who told Jesus he had the power to release him or condemn him. Jesus told him he had that power because his Father gave him that power. Pilate didn't intrinsically have that power apart from God's will. Jesus didn't respect Pilate, wasn't in awe of him, and didn't revere him. He did respect, awe, and revere his Father though. The Sanhedrin did respect and regard Pilate. Pilate got them to publicly give their allegiance to Caesar. They said they had no king but Caesar. They wanted Pilate to do them a favor so they were willing to do Pilate a favor. They politically manipulated each other. They couldn't do that to Jesus. He wasn't charmed or enchanted or ooh-ed or aah-ed or intimidated by their powers of persuasion or political power, even the power they had over life and death. He knew who held the real power over eternal life and death, his Father who also gave him that power. The holy man becomes clear minded, sober minded, of sound mind, and disenchants every created thing he perceives with his senses and every image in his imagination and every deceptive emotion in order to attribute all beauty and power to God he comes to see in awe. That is mystical enlightenment.
@OrthodoxChristianPodcast
@OrthodoxChristianPodcast 5 месяцев назад
@@markpatterson2517 I think you can approach it from a different angle: God is the source of all existence. In so far as something exists, it participates in God. All things are filled with God without becoming the same as God. This is how a lot of the church Fathers speak about God. It is also how God reveals Himself in Exodus "I AM," and the Gospels where Christ uses the same title. As St Paul said (quoting a pagan philosopher), "In Him we live, and move, and have our being."
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