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@angpham941
@angpham941 6 месяцев назад
He had his ups and downs, but to be consistenty perform at a score of at least 8/10 throughout 10 years is simply insane in esports
@Vladumere
@Vladumere 6 месяцев назад
Keep in mind, that league players used to be fucking horrible compared to now. Think about Lee sin insec. When it first happened it was one of the most hype moments of league history. Now if you can’t do one you are a bad Lee sin. Faker honestly was playing league years ahead of everyone else that’s why he was so dominant
@Chiefrocka.
@Chiefrocka. 6 месяцев назад
People get better at things over time that's how life works genius
@Chiefrocka.
@Chiefrocka. 6 месяцев назад
@@angpham941 what are you talking about bro?
@Carlos-qg2me
@Carlos-qg2me 6 месяцев назад
@@Vladumere People in Season 3 werent so bad tbh. Plus at 2015 (which i think was his peak at performance) there was a lot of good players around. The difference between 2015 players and today players is that theres a lot of guides and information to improve coming from the top players and ex-pros. So ofc the level its gonna improve over time specially for a game whose basic playstyle has remained unchanged for 10+ years.
@Vladumere
@Vladumere 6 месяцев назад
@@Carlos-qg2me I think you gotta remember though that faker quite literally only had one mechanical equal in dopa, and even he wasnt as good as him overall. most people went into comp as midlaners and swapped off when they found out about faker, and only in the past couple years do we have people like chovy and knight and the like that can match him mechanically. Faker also has encylopedia buff lmao.
@L0rdLexan01
@L0rdLexan01 6 месяцев назад
Imagine how difficult it is to lane against Faker. "Welcome to mid lane. You're up against someone who is commonly regarded as the greatest League player of all time. Good luck!"
@tide7107
@tide7107 6 месяцев назад
I don't know about pro play but beating Faker in lane in SoloQ is probably only possible when he grows old and his reflexes decline
@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904
@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904 6 месяцев назад
Ironically though, it's on SoloQ where you can beat Faker. He's not as oppressive as in his prime, and with no real communication with his team he can be swarmed and kill with no real loss.
@JohnYoungcook72
@JohnYoungcook72 6 месяцев назад
Remember when Pokimane got flamed for dying against Faker in lane? Lmao
@Briezar
@Briezar 6 месяцев назад
in korean challenger matches, if the enemy team has 1 empty ban slot then there's a high chance you're up against Faker lol. Imagine what the enemy team would feel seeing an empty ban slot.
@ian77444
@ian77444 6 месяцев назад
i still remember dopa prime era, he mastered soloQ the way faker mastered proplay, of course dopa tf is on a hole other level, but man i can never forget his fizz, dude was a beast
@LennardJaros
@LennardJaros 6 месяцев назад
This video reminds me of that 2015-17 period where RU-vid was just completely filled with Faker highlight reels, both soloQ and proplay. Really enjoyed it.
@18skeltor
@18skeltor 10 дней назад
2015 Faker montage was how I was introduced to the game
@converser
@converser 6 месяцев назад
Faker also has mad clicking skills, he could play ranked and alt tab to play another game while shifting his vision throughout the map and scoreboard, simultaneously. How his brain multi-tasks and processes all of this in a split second is wild. He's also considered 'old' (approaching 30) in the esports world, but still pretty untouchable. The only other player who can come close to challenging Faker is pretty much Dopa.
@userx76
@userx76 6 месяцев назад
Funny how people will rate Dopa higher than Chovy, when chovy is better in soloq and nationally, but fails short internationally. While dopa is just a soloq hero. Actually crazy how the mind of some people works.
@wilderledes
@wilderledes 6 месяцев назад
If you’re referring to those clips of him alt tabbing to other games mid-game, they’re clearly joke edits
@CollectiveIQ
@CollectiveIQ 6 месяцев назад
@@wilderledes Those were joke edits but there have been cases on stream where he played one other game while also playing league.
@lololololol3295
@lololololol3295 6 месяцев назад
​@@CollectiveIQWhile looking for a match, he doesn't play two games at once
@CollectiveIQ
@CollectiveIQ 6 месяцев назад
@@lololololol3295 you can look it up, for the first 3 minutes of a match he finished up a random game.
@pig88877
@pig88877 6 месяцев назад
I was expecting the counter list in the end of the video lol
@ShaeFur
@ShaeFur 6 месяцев назад
Counters: Scripting, Alt + F4, playing in grand finals
@pig88877
@pig88877 6 месяцев назад
@@ShaeFur T1 only loses 4 BO in the year: Spring Final, MSI Final, Summer Final, and World Final jk
@djethreii
@djethreii 6 месяцев назад
same hahaha
@blitzcrank4840
@blitzcrank4840 6 месяцев назад
@@ShaeFur Additional Counters : Target inters, 5 man gank, GENG
@minanh5819
@minanh5819 6 месяцев назад
his injured hand?
@canipetthatdog
@canipetthatdog 6 месяцев назад
dobby really said "how about some faker today?" 👁👄👁
@sunrisetenshi1054
@sunrisetenshi1054 2 месяца назад
Gimme two, please.
@DarkSol16
@DarkSol16 6 месяцев назад
The way he plays Akali is so flashy and impressive. He dodges skillshots and positions himself so well with those dashes.
@samwisehuluberlu2210
@samwisehuluberlu2210 4 месяца назад
Faker Akali? Not his greatest champ since years.
@thea3ther37
@thea3ther37 6 месяцев назад
Faker's laning isn't as dominant as it used to be, but man definitely still has it down to a science
@nasrclips2757
@nasrclips2757 6 месяцев назад
ikr it was a missed opportunity to add in that his counters are literally chovy lol
@jimmykudo11
@jimmykudo11 6 месяцев назад
common sense, Faker is not the only one that is improving. Ofcourse other players too.
@Marco-qt5nv
@Marco-qt5nv 6 месяцев назад
Faker gapped every single oponent in lane so far, he even went up close to 2k gold vs chovy while his team was losing and destroyed Scout and Knight wich are the 3 most hyped midlaners of the turnament and he won even countermatchups against them
@DuongNguyen-yr5es
@DuongNguyen-yr5es 6 месяцев назад
@@Marco-qt5nv he is the only one who played azir and won against oriana in 2023 worlds, goat
@jimmykudo11
@jimmykudo11 6 месяцев назад
@@DuongNguyen-yr5es hahaha, I saw some comments saying Xiahu's best pick is Azir? is that real?
@Permanente95
@Permanente95 6 месяцев назад
The biggest enemy of a pro player is not age or injury, it is the patch. How many world championship winners have we seen over the last ten years that deteriorated after just one patch? Where are the likes of Doinb, zeka, rookie now? Only one player and one player alone stood the test of all the patches, stayed on top of them and competed at the highest level nonetheless. That player is Faker, people simply do not understand how great he is, how much better he is compared to the competition. People do not even the slightest idea.
@pauloazuela8488
@pauloazuela8488 6 месяцев назад
Considering he's also the oldest adds up that fact even more
@t_t9964
@t_t9964 6 месяцев назад
His adaptability is insane, thats what ure trying to say? Agreed, as much as the next person
@arisu707
@arisu707 6 месяцев назад
I agree patches do kill certain playstyles like Peanut's legendary Lee sin. Seeing him play that style made me into a LS otp and now you can't really do the same thing since the patch wants you to play riots way. And now Peanut is struggling to even play tank jg xd
@SevenTheMisgiven
@SevenTheMisgiven 4 месяца назад
Shitty players that only were good because of 1 patch is more what you are describing. But gaming being so patch dependent is also a huge part why people don't really care that much for it. Real sports are always better.
@samwisehuluberlu2210
@samwisehuluberlu2210 4 месяца назад
Deft is in same category for me. He just lack stability of great org through his career. And Faker started harder yes.
@Valigarmanda
@Valigarmanda 6 месяцев назад
The fact that LCK teams were scrimming vs T1 in preparation for the "LPL playoffs" feels like an anime protagonist training with his friends and rivals, teaching them all they know in preparation for the his final fight vs the "big bad" it's so anime I love it. I hope T1 wins JDG.
@mathew5968
@mathew5968 6 месяцев назад
Sadly, jdg lost. T1 dogwalked them like a neutered dog on a leash.
@typeclick2159
@typeclick2159 6 месяцев назад
​@@mathew5968nah I think they played pretty well but I think kanavi held them back. This is coming from a t1 fan FYI.
@RMYLIA
@RMYLIA 6 месяцев назад
@@mathew5968 t1 didnt dogwalk them at all. Games were pretty close, if Kanavi didn't double agent int the last game 3-5 times JDG prob would've won that game unironically but Kanavi single handledly gave T1 game 4.
@sadas5889
@sadas5889 6 месяцев назад
@@RMYLIA cry more. That team was literally built around Kanavi. There you are to blame the core member of the team as a damn spy 🤡
@bassyey
@bassyey 6 месяцев назад
@@RMYLIA Ruler got exposed on a fed Zeri in a 2v1 lol.
@shreddar1000
@shreddar1000 6 месяцев назад
"What is it like to VS Faker in lane?" Me: Ah shit, I'm dead again.
@thestoebz
@thestoebz 6 месяцев назад
At 8:20 he dodged the Diana ult with shuriken then finishes her off. Crazy clean
@mortismos
@mortismos 6 месяцев назад
its a pretty standard akali combo to make sure u hit e in the all in i dont even think he intended to dodge her ult still the GOAT though
@dazeen9591
@dazeen9591 6 месяцев назад
Fluke / coincidence
@monsterzero7837
@monsterzero7837 6 месяцев назад
Typical Iron Faker Fangay.
@thestoebz
@thestoebz 6 месяцев назад
@@mortismos you’re mistaken then. The R E combo isn’t optimal in that situation unless he’s trying to avoid ult
@thestoebz
@thestoebz 6 месяцев назад
@@monsterzero7837 wanna compare opgg?
@MultiKillerpie
@MultiKillerpie 6 месяцев назад
Given the result of the semifinals it clearly paid off. He is the GOAT
@chrissears5482
@chrissears5482 5 месяцев назад
It's not just the mechanics that make Faker so good, but his overall knowledge of the game. I've seen many times on T1 comms videos him calling out the exact second someone's flash or ult will be back up and if they use it how long it's down for. Incredible stuff
@IllllllllIlllllllI
@IllllllllIlllllllI 6 месяцев назад
This isn't surprising in the slightest. Even onetricks like PzZZang, Onzed, Azhy, etc have mentioned that going up against Faker in lane is stressful due to the full extent of how well he knows the game
@Cupitron
@Cupitron 6 месяцев назад
who is pzzzzzang? xd
@jeremyfang1624
@jeremyfang1624 6 месяцев назад
@@Cupitron yas streamer
@J03ThumbsUp
@J03ThumbsUp 6 месяцев назад
I once watched a game between T1 and some streamers, the 2 most faqs from the streamers are 1: How do we gank Faker and 2: How is he not dead?
@alejandroarevalo1708
@alejandroarevalo1708 6 месяцев назад
Man just win Semi finals 3-1. Best Team Ever.
@MadIIMike
@MadIIMike 6 месяцев назад
"What is it like to vs Faker in Lane" *Ryuface*
@BlondeCyborg
@BlondeCyborg 6 месяцев назад
Even without the names I can tell which one Faker is
@zajkyy
@zajkyy 6 месяцев назад
Even though we have Chovu, Knight etc., for me Faker will always be the best. He is not that dominant but the way he leads his team is insane. Always GOAT.
@tide7107
@tide7107 6 месяцев назад
He's already built his legacy, whenever someone makes a good play they go "Holy shit I'm Faker"
@zajkyy
@zajkyy 6 месяцев назад
@@tide7107 that's rights, he is like Pele on football.
@exoticbreadstick8661
@exoticbreadstick8661 6 месяцев назад
The thing is that he was the best for so long. I dont watch much league esports and hes the only one i instantly know.
@mathew5968
@mathew5968 6 месяцев назад
He is the best among the said names you mentioned. They just won today vs JDG. Where is chovy? where is knight? where is scout? lmao
@Jangz_
@Jangz_ 6 месяцев назад
Faker diffed knight so hard lmao, his play make decision is what sets him apart. Something Chovy and knight doesn't have, being domiant in lane with high farm is not good enough in Worlds🤣
@peffiSC2source
@peffiSC2source 6 месяцев назад
He is him. League of Legends is his world and we are just living in it.
@jajajaja8031
@jajajaja8031 6 месяцев назад
faker is not always dominating the lane because faker realize that he should not play as one but play as the team and he is the goat because even losing big titles he didn't give up and continue improving and I respect that even he got hated for losing big title he still playing with all his got
@bergkatze3186
@bergkatze3186 6 месяцев назад
4x world champion LET'S FCKING GO!!
@staygoldpwnyboy923
@staygoldpwnyboy923 6 месяцев назад
That first sylas clip is insane
@stefanserafimov9199
@stefanserafimov9199 6 месяцев назад
Imagine playing vs the face of the game man won worlds 10 years ago and now is in a back to back final at worlds
@illusion5739
@illusion5739 6 месяцев назад
Its like watching peak Nen fights in real life but in game. Very calculated and clean. LoL Pro Players are on another level
@vladislavkaras491
@vladislavkaras491 6 месяцев назад
Thanks for the video!
@keggo2068
@keggo2068 6 месяцев назад
The real goat is loldobby
@steliosp1770
@steliosp1770 6 месяцев назад
the best player in the world. again. the GOAT. un. believeable.
@bombasticcat
@bombasticcat 5 месяцев назад
all the people who are hating faker dont know anything. His gameplay is so solid, that it feels like magic. Every game he creates oppurtunities to win games. and that very consistent.
@sebastianheuwagen9318
@sebastianheuwagen9318 27 дней назад
master on playing to the edge incredible
@LeYuzer
@LeYuzer 6 месяцев назад
We can see that his reaction time was getting higher but still very strong
@lanthelmebrasillon5169
@lanthelmebrasillon5169 6 месяцев назад
Here after the goat stomped JDG
@nadoProducer
@nadoProducer 6 месяцев назад
You can see him doing the math at 3:58 and the exact moment he locks on in attack mode at 4:00. No hesitation whatsoever
@danpiedra9008
@danpiedra9008 6 месяцев назад
No doubt the greatest of all time so far.
@Brianworldwide_7
@Brianworldwide_7 6 месяцев назад
That sylas play was nasty
@freebeeworld
@freebeeworld 6 месяцев назад
The GOAT
@nald420
@nald420 6 месяцев назад
faker also did that shockwave dodge vs knight in game 4 jdg. i think it was during the dragon fight where he killed kanavi early. but by that point they've already won
@HoangGracy
@HoangGracy 6 месяцев назад
i think that one he has no flash anymore and he forced by the ball coming his way,all the way from the bush up there to the dragon pit.but yeah,thats crazy he still focus after the chaos fight. the one at midlane is more impress to me cuz he was standing almost right next to Ori and still be able to reaact to that,blown my mind and i was so high with my friend waching that live
@gilgamesh4590
@gilgamesh4590 6 месяцев назад
Lesson learned: just don't lane against him 😅
@LuckyLiarK
@LuckyLiarK 6 месяцев назад
He win today, I want to see the rise of the king again.
@StyShadow
@StyShadow 6 месяцев назад
his training paid off
@michatrzcinski5184
@michatrzcinski5184 Месяц назад
he will always be my hero 🤩🔥
@Ion0X
@Ion0X 6 месяцев назад
Hello everyone. Hope you all are having a good night. 👍 🌟
@channel6ixty
@channel6ixty 5 месяцев назад
ori's korean dialogue is so cute.
@pentravoizer1791
@pentravoizer1791 6 месяцев назад
Thank you for explaining everything, I didn't understand shit while watching it.
@kataude3339
@kataude3339 6 месяцев назад
the fact he can just think above like this is crazy like he knows if he QW R with ori not kill but make the enemy think he is weak now and force them to engage just to fall by his bait or ult by just make the enemy out of his lane just to win with xp lead and gold this is crazy
@geraldtgiraffe592
@geraldtgiraffe592 6 месяцев назад
just casually sittin here with my jaw on the floor
@derp_sherpa
@derp_sherpa 6 месяцев назад
🔥🔥🔥
@Odyssey19992
@Odyssey19992 6 месяцев назад
Faker got his revenge from 2017 from ruler flashing ult him and now he do back to ruler
@Paajx
@Paajx 6 месяцев назад
Asians never forget about their revenge
@beducalexis9429
@beducalexis9429 Месяц назад
@@Paajxlol
@DoMa94
@DoMa94 6 месяцев назад
GOAT
@tylerteracide
@tylerteracide 6 месяцев назад
Really enjoyed this vid, thank you.
@JoseAugusto-pd3eh
@JoseAugusto-pd3eh 6 месяцев назад
can you make the same video but now about guma? 😁😁😁 sorry if my english is bad
@NO_EPIX
@NO_EPIX 4 месяца назад
His reflexes are god damn beyond human stats.
@kietce8132
@kietce8132 2 месяца назад
It should be illegal to be this good 😭😭😭
@ryugaroxas
@ryugaroxas 6 месяцев назад
SOLIDIFIED GOAT
@Rukir
@Rukir 6 месяцев назад
"How about some Faker today?" Lol
@sathariel3231
@sathariel3231 6 месяцев назад
3:09 that's Gryffinn I think lol
@canondeez
@canondeez 6 месяцев назад
counters: carpal tunnel
@nguyenvantung4633
@nguyenvantung4633 6 месяцев назад
JDG Knight : 👁👄👁
@milesedgeworth132
@milesedgeworth132 6 месяцев назад
10 years later, both Iron and Challenger players STILL say "I'm faker" when they do a good play.
@vokhactri
@vokhactri 6 месяцев назад
he finally beat JDG
@grzywi19
@grzywi19 17 дней назад
Since my premade 5 ranges from iron to diamond I've seen tons of similar scenes and I know them all to well. But imagine being in the top 30-50 in the world and someone toys with you as if it was some plat vs iron lane XD
@ss-cv2hz
@ss-cv2hz 6 месяцев назад
My baits would be unparalleled too if only my jungler decided to come to my lane
@Gravitymusicq
@Gravitymusicq 6 месяцев назад
😱😱😱😱😱
@puddinsenpai
@puddinsenpai 6 месяцев назад
can you make a spotify playlist?
@JonanTS
@JonanTS 6 месяцев назад
Tbh my ego said I could maybe beat faker with my best champ 1v1, but after seeing the Talon fight lvl 2 I got humbled.
@stehawk80
@stehawk80 6 месяцев назад
Still the goat
@bryanmiranda9553
@bryanmiranda9553 6 месяцев назад
4:40 i sincerely dont know what to do in This situation if i were Syndra.
@MadMatt1810
@MadMatt1810 6 месяцев назад
Hard to say but prob ur jungler must help you to push the wave, since its freeze and slow pushing towards faker but its dangerous because u share too much xp and ur jungler loses path timing and objetives prio
@MadMatt1810
@MadMatt1810 6 месяцев назад
Thats why such a little mistake makes you lose hole games in that elo
@poifish7442
@poifish7442 6 месяцев назад
Yeah, the goal is to not be in this situation in the first place. High elo coaches often vod review only the first 5-10 minutes, cause that's where the game is decided. It's the small wins in early trades that snowball into a 20/1 Yone top. It's also the same reason why a player who went 1/8 in their first game can go 10/1 in another. It's just a huge snowball effect (until they make a mistake and lose their lead).
@bryanmiranda9553
@bryanmiranda9553 6 месяцев назад
Makes sense. Playing against Ori is a nightmare, just as playing against Neeko and Zoe. Maybe a Dorans Shield, second wind would help to avoid this insane damage
@MadMatt1810
@MadMatt1810 6 месяцев назад
No doubt the guy is a genius but its fair to say that you need an excellent jungler watching your back too
@disappointment7208
@disappointment7208 6 месяцев назад
i mean it is a team game in the end
@wooof8575
@wooof8575 6 месяцев назад
Wdym, it's faker who watches his junglers back.
@MadMatt1810
@MadMatt1810 6 месяцев назад
@@wooof8575 trueee 😂
@HoangGracy
@HoangGracy 6 месяцев назад
well,i dont think u would does that bait if he doesnt have the jg player around
@szp12313
@szp12313 6 месяцев назад
It’s like you are playing against a four times world champion.
@cloudstrife7083
@cloudstrife7083 Месяц назад
game is running sooooo smooth on theses pings its unbelievable compared to my 45ms who jump to 55ms 65ms 75ms every 5 secs and never his stable even the health of the minions drop so slowly its unreal
@FrozenShadoW918
@FrozenShadoW918 6 месяцев назад
Demon King
@fancen
@fancen 2 месяца назад
this glaze
@davidfalcon984
@davidfalcon984 6 месяцев назад
Mister yeet
@andrewyoonhobai8453
@andrewyoonhobai8453 6 месяцев назад
POV you go up against unkillable falcon thing and you are a lane minion identifying as a champion
@user-we8fg5gx7i
@user-we8fg5gx7i 6 месяцев назад
god
@Naobora
@Naobora 6 месяцев назад
I was waiting for the "Counter: None" at the end... Come on!
@hongzhen7109
@hongzhen7109 6 месяцев назад
JDG lost cause Knight didnt watch this video gg JDG
@lisaparker271
@lisaparker271 6 месяцев назад
I hope he is still practicing hard for WBG finals.
@aojdaoidjaoifj681
@aojdaoidjaoifj681 6 месяцев назад
he did lol
@breffa1982
@breffa1982 6 месяцев назад
at 3:06 he literally tanked some of renekton empowered w dmg with his shield. I guess it's because yone w has a slight delay
@platanusroad7685
@platanusroad7685 6 месяцев назад
4:35 that is not w max, that is 3 levels w into maxing q
@vicentejurua5091
@vicentejurua5091 4 месяца назад
that 0:40 play was mind boggling
@therealmonkfromtibet
@therealmonkfromtibet 7 дней назад
The scary part is that he is playing under wrist injury. Imagine that he could have been performing even better.
@christopherbronson3275
@christopherbronson3275 6 месяцев назад
Jesus... he dodged that scatter the weak BLIND
@xinranli1800
@xinranli1800 6 месяцев назад
"How about some Faker today?"
@stevchris5367
@stevchris5367 6 месяцев назад
Bro as a DOTA player my hands are itching to deny creeps out of habit watching LOL laning phase
@manarchy3
@manarchy3 4 месяца назад
Is Faker really good, or are his opponents just really bad?
@happydream1967
@happydream1967 4 месяца назад
Good point :D
@zerebwblabl4690
@zerebwblabl4690 6 месяцев назад
Day 24 asking u to talk about sierras (best yi in the world)
@shiro10114
@shiro10114 6 месяцев назад
This player might not be the absolute best mid-laner anymore, but he is definitely the best performer when it really matters.
@HoangGracy
@HoangGracy 6 месяцев назад
base on what hw shown off this world compare to others midlaner,i still think he's best at world 2023
@waterflowzz
@waterflowzz 6 месяцев назад
This comment by some random bronze aged well…..
@ebenholz9
@ebenholz9 4 месяца назад
@@waterflowzz wdym mean watch a knight/chovy vod and compare it to faker both of them have better lanes
@BukovTervicz
@BukovTervicz 6 месяцев назад
Surgical
@mernaandthealmonds115
@mernaandthealmonds115 6 месяцев назад
orianna ulted twice?? the first ori video
@OutdoorBlues
@OutdoorBlues 6 месяцев назад
At 3:50 you use the word snuff, I’ve only ever heard this term used in porn 😂 Dobby English strong
@Doomeiner
@Doomeiner 6 месяцев назад
IT PAID OFFFFFF IT PAID OFFFFFFF LETS GOOOOO WOOHOOOOOOO
@trioz1819
@trioz1819 6 месяцев назад
4:00 Faaaaker❤😊
@buinguyencaominh5936
@buinguyencaominh5936 6 месяцев назад
So mostly he is using mind game to win lane. Taking advantage from every single moment in laning phase
@leeroyj7300
@leeroyj7300 6 месяцев назад
yeah idk why that ori dived right in the beginning, is faker playing in bronze?
@ImaskarDono
@ImaskarDono 6 месяцев назад
Faker deserves worlds penta!
@barsqn4266
@barsqn4266 2 месяца назад
Legenda!
@worldboxvn8214
@worldboxvn8214 5 месяцев назад
Seize top 1 Is already a hard task,but keep it for 10 years is another story
@yugioh5ds209
@yugioh5ds209 6 месяцев назад
Dobby, do you know why your replays shows 9999 all the time, I know it is when an element like jayce portal is destroyed it takes 9999 damages, but why does it show ?
@LoLDobby
@LoLDobby 6 месяцев назад
That's viewing error
@MrFuzji
@MrFuzji 5 месяцев назад
6:20 hollon did he say bomboclat?
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