What is Neville Longbottom’s Patronus? | Harry Potter Theory 

Exactly, in trying to eliminate the greatest threat to himself Voldemort ended up creating it instead, because he rushed in to it without knowing the full prophecy. His own mistake led to his downfall, and he also died from his own spell which makes the ending of the series simply perfect.

Voldy literally CHOSE the ONE who would defeat him. Making Harry the literal CHOSEN ONE.

I've also heard the idea that if you interpret it as slightly vaguer (as many of Trelawney's prophecies were) as "The Dark Lord will mark him as his equal" counting by the death eaters attacking the Longbottoms (thereby acknowledging them as threats), he remains the chosen one. He was born in late July, killed the final Horcrux, had parents who "thrice defied", and was named an equal.

You mean in another universe right now, kids all over are reading and watching the Neville Longbottom books and movies???!

Probably would’ve been better of if neville was chosen since Harry’s would’ve probably survived giving Harry a better like while nothing would have changed for neville since he sadly already lost his parents in the main timeline

Lol. It's a ghostly white amalgamation of Harry, Ron and Hermione with 3 heads and 6 arms and legs. Luna and Ginny get added to the monstrosity over time. Dementors see it and just "nope" out

That made my soul melt

yes

@@OverdriveGamesAnime a hydra made of an amalgamation og both trios

This is a beautiful comment

Thank you! You don’t see that point mentioned enough. Same reason why Ron was so bad at spells when using Charlie’s old wand.

@@ceilingsintheireyes6288 exactly!

Somewhat true, but as Mr. Carlin pointed out at 1:02, Neville's improvement started in DA, just before the trip to the Dept of Mysteries. Getting a new wand helped him continue to improve and gain confidence.

@@primmoore6232 you're right, but the fact that it wasn't his wand makes that improvement so much more impressive to me.

This, so much this.

No kidding, I took plenty of "sick" days in school and none of my teachers were my deepest darkest fear

Yeah, Snape's torment of Neville is the reason why I can never forgive him, no matter how many always he gives.

@@BeresVonSaladir Yeah, netiher can I forgive Snape 🙈 like, never

Actually I think that if Snape had actually taken the time to nurture his students that Neville wouldn't have been so bad at Potions. But from day one Snape was verbally, emotionally, and mentally abusing him. We already know Neville had a lot of self confidence issues (no doubt stemming from his family being so sure he was a squib for the longest time) to get that abuse on a weekly basis? I'm surprised he was able to do more than sit shivering in fear in Potions class.

@@vermontvampyre Completely agree. And look at Harry. He's from a Potioneer family on the father's side. His mom was great at potion. He already got Potion-making talents in his blood and Snape completely destroyed it. Five years with Snape, Harry learned nothing except to hide his mistake or endure abuse. When Harry or Neville makes a mistake Snape was never like 'Good effort, but you forgot to add x before y, now try again' as a good teacher would have said. It was always 'Has anything penetrated that thick skull of yours?' 'You're arrogant, like your father' or 'Famous Harry Potter thinks he can do everything right'. What student would improve with such teaching? And just look at OWL. Harry constantly got D or T (failing grades) in Snape's class and never succeeds in anything. But a month before OWL, Snape got angry with Harry and started ignoring him. That's the one month in five years that Harry got to study Potions to his full ability. The result? He got E in OWL, E as in the second best grade. When your student learns better when you're not paying them any attention, you know you're a horrible, horrible teacher.

So he's a ferocious exotic Hufflepuff?

@@lauramathews3151 Considering his eventual turn to badassery, I'd say yeah.

@@lauramathews3151 I mean he tried to convince the sortinghat to put him in hufflepuff

If you didn't post this I was going to make my own post about how Neville keeps blowing himself up and taking very little damage from it.

The idea of Neville being able to defy the laws of physics, including not being harmed by explosions is often associated with a concept known as toon force which is an idea of gag related reality distortion defying or changing the mechanics of Reality itself to suit different gags or tricks. Is there any possibility of a Patronus manifesting as a toon construct? A cartoonish distortion of an animal performing different gag/tricks? Also, to the point about Neville's journey into badassery, another animal associated with such behavior is the Wolverine. And an interesting fun fact, there is actually a species of frog, called the Wolverine frog, named for the berserker Marvel antihero Wolverine because like the Marvel character this frog can extend bone claws from its knuckles. So my guess for Neville's Patronus might be a Toon Honey Badger or Toon Wolverine that stands upright and features Wolverine style knuckle claws, and maybe even spike covered exoskeletel armor plates.

That spell is a jet of red light, not the golden flames the golden flames were a different thing

Yeah, expelliarmus is what he usually casts

But Harry's patronus takes a form that is unique to him, and specifically identifies Harry as the user. You know, almost like a handwritten signature.

@@lahlybird895 The golden flames were the results of the twin cores connecting but the spell he cast at that time was still expelliarmus. In the BOOKS that’s the spell that identies him by the death eaters in the battle of seven potters. Harry chooses to disarm rather than try to injure someone most of the time, this is well known by most characters in the BOOKS.

@@jackpfefferkorn3734 yeah so does everyone’s patronus. I don’t think there is one shared patronus that they showed in the books or movies. So literally everyone who casts a patronus has a different corporeal animal that identifies them specifically if cast strongly enough. That doesn’t make it his signature spell tho 😂. Harry is famous in the books for choosing to disarm his opponents rather than harm them. Whilst a patronus is only good for a few things i.e. warding off dementors and relaying messages.

I feel the same about it being a Lion

I would argue that it was awakened much earlier than that, when Bellatrix first escapes Azkaban. It was directly after that happens that we see him improving and it lit a fire in him that just grew and grew. By the time he stands up to Voldemort, he had already fought at the Ministry, rallied the DA, stood up to the Carrows more than once, and tried to steal the sword of Gryffindor from Snape's office. I agree with everything else you said though!

Yup. My headcanon screams lion. I can imagine it bursting out of his wand, roaring, with its mane flying back. Slow.motion, of course.

I agree. He is the ultimate Gryffindor becase he is afraid but overcomes his fears; thats true bravery. Not being afraid is not as brave as fighting your fears. I would say lion or even a griffin. At the end a griffin is the symbol of the house and as it is also part eagle it would also follow the 'he kills snakes' idea sinc eeagles often eat snakes.

@@anvime739 Griffins are also symbols of royalty, pride, vengefulness, and more importantly Loyalty. They are the perfect hybrid of Hufflepuff and griffindor in a way. A Griffin was often used on coat of arms to show power but, for a time was also used on several flags including the now fallen country of Prussia having a creature very similar to griffin on their flag.

That was me

Aw I also like this idea

I thought the same thing!

If thet's teh case it could've been a toad as well. They go through transformation like butterflies and it would also tie into his old self with his childhood pet.

Prob still forgetful

I always assumed this too

Mongeese

Completely agree

My first thought was a lion, but yes, my second thought was a mongoose. Nagini is also (IIRC) the name of the female cobra from Rudyard Kipling's Riki Tiki Tavi, who is eventually killed by a (spoiler alert) mongoose. But the honey badger works also. As does the lion. I'd accept any of these three for Neville. And the other possibility I thought of, given Neville's affinity for herbology: a bowtruckle! And yes, I'd also say a good candidate for Hannah Abbott's patronus is the honey bee. Bees, like Hufflepuffs, are known for being industrious and hard-working, and living in cooperation with others, rather than on their own.

I was thinking mongoose too

@@Raxtus3106 Funnily enough, the plural form of mongoose is actually mongooses; not mongeese.

Neville, but the underpants model version of him... 😳

Yes!

they're actually lazy af and just sit around and let the lioness hunt all day...

I was thinking that same thing!

@@chubby_deity3143 What makes you think Neville's patronus would be male?

@@9nikolai i don't, i'm just responding to the comment that said lion

Headcanon: Hannah Abbot is a Honey Guide, a bird that eats bee larvae and has a symbiotic relationship with Honey Badgers. The Guide finds the beehive, the Badger brings down the hive, and they enjoy a meal together.

Hey! You earned the high five! Cool!

@@beastwriter3915 That's adorable actually.

And Neville initially begged the Sorting Hat to sort him into Hufflepuff because he was so intimidated by Gryffindor's reputation for bravery, but he might have thought that he'd be a good fit for a Hufflepuff too

@@irisblue7031 he would have been because he does care about other people, but he clearly values bravery. Kind of like how Wormtail is the most cowardly person there is, but seeks out bravery in others to hide behind. Neville admires bravery in others and sought to be like them.

The book said that the hat took over a full minute to decide on Neville. How is that not a hat-stall?

@@sabrinaschell4938a single google search would have told you "A Hatstall was an archaic term for a student of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry whose Sorting took more than five minutes." So that's how. Because 1 is less than 5.

This is what I said too! Lol

Yes because her last name begins with a, as it was in alphabetic order.

Agree, totally took me by surprise 🤣

"translate to english" makes this even better

@@antitheist3206 😂😂😂

@@antitheist3206 waiting patron

You mean it is a Unexpecto patronum.

i agree, but i have to say, it also scared tf out of me, i was NOT ready for that lol

@@nynalee3626 same!!!

I nearly spat out my tea trying not to laugh XD

nom I thought mongoose as well, but watch the RU-vid video on Honey Badgers. They embody Neville completely! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4r7wHMg5Yjg.html

Not saying they don't, just that when I think of Enemy of Snakes I think mongoose, not Honey Badger

Lol I could see Neville having riki tiki tavi as his patronus.

Yes!!!! And the point of Nag and Nagaina (pretty close to Nagini if you ask me) being the villain that Riki Tiki Tavi eats in the Kipling short story seems to nail it home!

@@xianartman You, you know what's up

A hare. But it's never stated that that's her favourite animal. She made a bracelet with a hare design because that's her Patronus.

Shame is wasn't a Crumbled Horned Snorkack or a Blibbering Humdinger.

@@brickbot2.038 Or a nargle.

@@PhilBagels And we mustn't forget Wrackspurts either.

@@brickbot2.038 Or a Heliopath, or Umgubular Slashkilter.

Well, now. There's a thought.

Same my patronus is also a Thestral

This is my new head canon

Associated with forgetfulness ( or never forgetting) and doesn’t he emulate an elephant in the scene where they eat the candy.

I agree with your reasoning but not the animal, elephants are pretty dexterous and wise. They have incredible eye sight and hearing. If you want a clumsy animal that doesn’t really know it’s own strength, you should look to a rhino. They can basically be like big puppies if raised around humans from childhood (not recommending this). They have terrible eye sight and are incredible clumsy. The main thing they attempt attack is safari vehicles. But if one is not in a good mood and you happen to be near it, it will most certainly destroy you. They really do not know their own strength and lack a lot of confidence when it comes to interacting with other bigger animals. They’ll run away from a hippo (rightfully so) rather than even attempt to mess with them. I would love for the tank puppy to be nevilles patronus

@@randalgraves6979 If that's true, it's only in the movie.

@@coolnerdlll6053 just looked it up and found a quiz where, yes in Prisoner of Azkaban he did an elephant noise. I haven’t read the books so … I believe you

You were close.

You can't predict someone's Patronus. "No reliable system for predicting the form of an individual’s Patronus has ever been found, although the great eighteenth-century researcher of Charms, Professor Catullus Spangle, set forth certain principles that are widely accepted as true. The Patronus, asserted Spangle, represents that which is hidden, unknown but necessary within the personality. ‘For it is evident,’ he writes, in his masterwork ‘Charms of Defence and Deterrence’, ‘… that a human confronted with inhuman evil, such as the Dementor, must draw upon resources he or she may never have needed, and the Patronus is the awakened secret self that lies dormant until needed, but which must now be brought to light...’ Here, says Spangle, is the explanation for the appearance of Patronuses in forms that their casters might not expect, for which they have never felt a particular affinity, or (in rare cases) even recognise. Spangle is interesting on the subject of those unusual witches and wizards who produce a Patronus that takes the form of their favourite animal. ‘It is my firm belief that such a Patronus is an indicator of obsession or eccentricity. Here is a wizard who may not be able to hide their essential self in common life, who may, indeed, parade tendencies that others might prefer to conceal. Whatever the form of their Patronus, you would be well-advised to show respect, and occasionally caution, towards a witch or wizard who produces the Patronus of their choice.’" www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/patronus-charm But if you could, I'd say a swan because his story is that of the ugly duckling.

I wondered about snake, too, because I know they eat frogs and I think they would eat a toad, too.

#longbottom

Nagni doesn’t have the King Cobra hood though, and she’s got a slightly different colouring. I’m pretty sure she’s meant to be a reticulated python. (In the movies anyway, I don’t remember her description in the books)

I got an otter, like Hermione.

Mine’s a Magpie. Apparently very rare and very strong. Glad my corporeal form is stronger and cooler than me lol.

mine's a husky🐾

Apparently mine's a Dolphin

Calico Cat ❤️

I think Frank’s patronus would be more of a Wolverine. An animal close to the honey badger, but different enough that his wand wouldn’t recognize Neville.

@@xianartman this really freaka me out. What happened to the wands of James and Lily? Would they belong to Voldemort, at least James'? Were they buried with them? The phoenix-wand of Harry, did it only recognize Voldemort? When this part died, would Harry be even able to use his old wand after he repaired it, or could he use rather a wand that resembles the one of his father? Independent from what Rowling wrote... This will give me many sleepless nights...

@@kathzemiau7234 neither James or Lily pulled their wands on Voldemort. So possibly their wand wouldn’t change allegiance. As to Harry’s wand, as it was broken, no one but Harry could possess it, thus none of those were “won”. It is an interesting question about deceased wizard wands. Is it tradition to bury them with their wands, as Dumbledor was? If so that would solve Harry’s parents wand locations. But what do you think?

@@xianartman I dont think it necessarily was that common to burry wizards with their wands as there are multiple instances of wands being passed down generations of family, however I do believe that alot of wands and especially those with stronger senses of allegiance would die with their masters and that in those cases they would be burried with them. Like you said with James and Lilly they never drew their wands against him and were never dissarmed and eapecially in the case with Lilly (whose wand I actually think Harry has the larger chance of sucessfully wielding due to its mistresses sacrifice) their powers would pretty much have faded uppon their deaths. There are 2 things that always boggled my mind tho when it commes to wands: -Despite being a pureblood family and therefore being expected to have atleast a reasonable knowledge of how wandmagic should work with the wand choosing the wizard it appears Narcissa chooses Dracos wand while hes having robes fitted? Like are they purposefully handicaping their son? Theres no use in someone whos not the intended wielder looking at a wand. - Ron starts off with Charlies wand. Now I understand hand me down wands as a family tradition, I also understand the weasleys not being able to afford a new wand for Ron. But! Charlie isnt dead? Like why would he have a spare wand to hand down? He had a unicorn hair core which are the most loyal ones so his wand should work fine for him. Did he get a new one for some reason? What would that reason be? Like if it was a passed down family wand wouldnt it make more sense to give Ron that one as it wouldnt have allegiance to another living wizard? Rather than having 2 wands change hands and saddling a beginner wizard with a wand that stubbornly loyal to someone else. (As I sidenote I think Obliviate bounced back perfectly on Lockhart more due to the core being even less loyal to him "Youre not even a Weasley!" mose so than being broken as when we se Rons soells bpunce back on him they domt perfecly chanel the original intent, for example vomiting slugs rather than being forcefed them)

@@Ami-zi6si reasonable objections, though I imagine Draco already had a private selection and just had his mother go through the red tape as his measurements would take longer to selected and alter as he was a very easy sorting (at least for the sorting hat) and probably didn’t have to spend nearly as much time as Harry did. As for Charlie and Ron, Charlie’s new job may have afforded him a more aligned wand or better funding for a better fit or some other reason he would come up with to help his little brother out. I don’t think it was Mr and Mrs weasley alone who made that choice. The handme down wand was probably, like clothing, because the original owner had outgrown it or found something better.

I mean you gotta have even classes though.

Plus Ron should definitely be hufflepuff and the weasely twins could have a strong case for slytherin

His name is just Percy.

@@dothedo3667 is it? I always just assumed it was shortened for familiarity.

I figured since Percy was the one that would have born at the height of the war, and Molly and Arthur were original Order members, they had named him after Dumbledore.

Fairly certain it's been established death eaters can't conjure protronuses

@@vivianwallwood She has said most can't, but I don't really care what she says out of the books. Also, when has that ever stopped them from finding what it would be.

Their patronuses would be flesh eating maggots

@@vivianwallwood I believe there is indeed a quote somewhere from Voldy that states that the bad side doesn't know happiness and that's why they can work alongside dementors without issues. But intense happiness is also needed to conjure a patronus

@@Cora.T I don't think that would go for all death eaters. I don't always that Voldy is right, especially regarding other people.

what the heck why does it look like that???

For those interested, Ron ended up as a Squirrel, Dean a Crow, Hermione a Deinonychus(one with feathers, and because of the Time Turner she was wearing throughout the whole process, from start to finish), Ginny a Peregrine Falcon, Percy a Heron, Fred and George a Mink and a Pine Marten(Never confirmed which is which), Cedric a Badger, Cho a Swan. They also have names, in the order listed: Neville - Lapcat, Ron - Nutkin, Dean - Upstart, Hermione - Clever Girl, Ginny - Perry, Percy - Issola, Fred and George - Trouble and Strife. Harry doesn't HAVE an Animagus form, as in this alternate universe, he became a dragon long before reaching Hogwarts.

@@semm28 do you remember the name of this fanfiction cause I think read it before but don't remember it anymore.

elephants have a really good long term memory though, not short term memory

MONGOOSE

@@JuWuestefeld That's where my head went, too, when he mentioned eating snakes. (11/26/2021)

Good one xD

I said that too. Pretty obvious.

NEVILLE SHOULD BE WITH LUNA!!!!!!!!!!!

I would say “ Hannah starts with an H”

@@tobyhudgins9981 agreed but alas in canon they are married

I think it would be awesome to have the prequel stories from Sirus’ point of view and then it would be cool to have a couple compliment novels on Neville’s adventures and journey to professorship.

The giant river otter is related to the honey badger, both mustelids.

@@blakechow8294 it must run in the family. Cause wolverines are mustelids too

My favorite too

No elephants are wise

Dont we all!

@@SuperCarlinBrothers Plz make a video on "Why didn't the Golden Trio become Animagi ?"

Very nearly

I’d like that.

I love the idea of just a whole, fully formed dude scaring off dementors

Good idea. I'd like a Yoda as a Patronus. "Scary beasts, I drive away."

​@@kayden8093just a mike Tyson esque human that clocks the dementors in the soul sucker

ON IT!

@@SuperCarlinBrothers wow,I didn't expect a reply from ya'll! I really enjoyed the video.

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Nevil wouldnt even have survived the attack because his mother wouldnt have been given the choice to live

@@robbevanooteghem7429 didn't even think about that

What exactly is the form it takes then?