What is Norway's Prison System Like?

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This video is an exploration of the Norwegian Prison System. The documentary compares the Norway prison system vs. the American prison system. Go beyond the singing of "We are the world" featured in Michael Moore"s documentary on Norway's justice system, and get a fuller picture of Norway's brand of rehabilitative justice and historic recidivism rates.
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@jubmelahtes 5 лет назад

The terrorist you talk about is completely isolated. He have no freedom and can't interact with other people. I am proud of our system. And i am proud that we did not change our justice system for one man's horrid actions.

@diazinth 5 лет назад

Olav M. Jeg tror vi lærte leksa vår etter Akershus festning i -45(46?)

@madsssssss 5 лет назад

Norge gang

@madsssssss 5 лет назад

nice joke

@Simi2681 5 лет назад

@@algiz21 Do you find it noble to kill children? Do you think those that died due to explotion deserved it? Because If you do. And you live in Norway, you are the kind I don't want to live here.

@mojanusmubetker6444 5 лет назад

@@Simi2681 Herregud man, han troller bare. Men du svarer med vis du tenker på feil måte vil jeg ikke ha deg i norge engang? Hva for en logisk sans er det? Hvor ligger etiken i en slik tankegang o.O Trolololololol

@liquidhype3025 5 лет назад

Long story short, in norway we focus on justice, not revenge.

@FireDrage 5 лет назад

Liquidhype i think that is a good and short senntend to describe this with one senntend. I think you know more about norway than you say and show in the first glance.

@mojanusmubetker6444 5 лет назад

Could you please point out the justice in the case where a migrant slaughtered his entire familiy and walked to the police station and asked to go too jail because it was better than being sent back home? Oh and bonus question: where is the justice in the famillies of his victims are forced to pay taxses and help cover his upkeep??

@FireDrage 5 лет назад

mojanus mubetker you have interesting qustions

@magnus6182 5 лет назад

@@mojanusmubetker6444 Murder not neccesarry. 1 if it is so bad back from where the migrant came from that he/her would kill the entire family, the goverment would allow the migrant to stay. If you would kill your own family to save yourselves, you are a really mentally disabled person. 2 A prisoner costs 3000 kroner per 24 hours. times that with 365 times 15 plus 24 times 366 times 5 a prisoner will cost 525960000 kr for 20 years. the norwegian budget (2018) was around 1135 milliarder = 1135 billion kr. Over 20 years that would be 22700 billion kroner. a prisoner will cost 0.0000000002317004405 percent of the norwegian budget (over 20 years). 0.00000000003475506608 percent of this price will be payd by the taxpayers money. the average salary in norway (2018) was 416361 kroner (48723.66 USD). the money of the average norwegian salary that went to one prisoner was 0.00001447065407 kroners, or 0.000016933940881 USD. WHERE IS THE INJUSTICE?? Edit: Not 100% sure everything is correct, but it was to show that in Norway this is accually acsepted

@mojanusmubetker6444 5 лет назад

@@magnus6182 So aslong as its not alot of money they have to pay up its okey? Dont norway have traffic signs? Symbolism? Its okey aslong as its not 1 whole dollar? Who decides how much is too much? The injustice is in the lack of justice i would say.

@grandsome1 5 лет назад

Being stuck in a box, however bachelor luxurious it is, is still being stuck in a box. You still lose years of your life.

@JohnSmith-ik8nt 5 лет назад

Ooh how abhorrent the guy has a better living standard than most of my friends

@AqierDesigns 5 лет назад

John Smith there is the typical superficial american thinking: things bring happiness. no. you americans always believe that it's money and your physical things that brong happiness. we in europe, at least many of us, know that it's love, a walk in the woods with friends or a day at the lake with the gitlfriend that brings happiness. taking the freedom to decide when and what you want to do with who you want, is a hard punishment. try to not see your friends for a month, let's see how good you'll feel than.

@hagalathekido 5 лет назад

@@JohnSmith-ik8nt still bad livingstandards for norway, american prisons also probably have better livingstandards than some people in africa, it changes nothing.

@Artheila 5 лет назад

@@JohnSmith-ik8nt It might be better than your friends that don't live in Norway, but living standard in Norway is generally high. We don't really have homelessness for instance.

@lorenzoarellano4334 5 лет назад

@@AqierDesigns not Americans but Literaly everyone bro

@jebbo-c1l 5 лет назад

Crime and violence should be treated as a health problem, not with extreme punishments. Restriction of freedom should be enough. When the prisoners eventually get out they might be your neighbour. So you want them to be rehabilitated and reintegrate back into society.

@zzzanon 5 лет назад

If there is a problem that you cannot fix, is it worth attempting to fix it, and if so, at what cost? Not all criminals can be rehabilitated, and further, not all want to.

@fedelede2 5 лет назад

So let's take at face value that there's some people who "cannot reintegrate". Even if that's the case, just because some people cannot do it, is it fair to remove the chance from everyone else?

@rpcruz 5 лет назад

@@fedelede2 Crime is committed by everybody, it's not a health problem. If there is a wallet with a million dollars, very few people wouldn't steal it. Given the opportunity and incentive, everybody will become a criminal.

@nealkelly9757 5 лет назад

Punishment should be eye for an eye

@Paraclef 5 лет назад

''' extreme punishments ''' I have no word for abject monster like you.

@RealEngineering 5 лет назад

Great video Will.

@galaxygod9962 5 лет назад

Oh boy look

@alihub7 4 года назад

I pee my self

@nicknack124 5 лет назад

I'm from Norway, and like to call our prison policy as the "kill 'em with kindness" mindset

@calumbrooknicolson 3 года назад

Please may you explain why?

@nicknack124 3 года назад

@@calumbrooknicolson watch the video, then you'll understand

@calumbrooknicolson 3 года назад

Okay.

@nicknack124 3 года назад

@Teji Gill its literally based on what they say in the video. You know I didn't mean "kill" literally. It's just that our prison works by focusing more on rehabilitation rather than punishment

@krystiankowalski7335 Год назад

The only “death” penalty I support ^^

@antivorg1239 5 лет назад

Good on you for having the self-awareness to not acknowledge the perpetrator, these people do it purely for the glory news outlets endlessly give them.

@williamcfox 5 лет назад

Looks like there's a 'Streisand Effect' going on in these comments. You're right. The point was to deny him the glory, even though his case is useful for learning about the principles of the system taken to the extreme. A lot of people know him, but media practices have changed since 2011. It's doubtful his name would be so publicized if he did the same thing today.

@antivorg1239 5 лет назад

I personally disagree that today's tabloid journalists would avoid the opportunity to put a face to the crime; the reporting of American domestic terrorists such as school shooters being a case in point. In any case, thanks for continuing to consistently provide very well researched content. You always manage to shed new light on otherwise dry stories.

@Elmotrix 5 лет назад

@@williamcfox in the days, weeks and months after the indecent you cover in this videos, my fellow Norwegians had a peculiar way of protesting the media showing his face and name. Nationwide, all newspapers showing his face on the front page would be turned around. from newsstands to supermarkets. they would have nothing of it. someone would turn the entire stack of newspapers to show its backside out. Nobody disliked them reporting, but we shouldn't be constantly reminded, and he wouldn't get the fame he wanted.

@Tr4sh_can34 5 лет назад

He is a crazy nazi

@CosmicJesterX 5 лет назад

@@Tr4sh_can34 barba ann?

@pennyholbrook1551 4 года назад

I am fascinated by the punishment versus reform argument , and Norway is a really fascinating example of reform, even for those who’s acts we find abhorrent . I am intrigued how this became a widely accepted view in Norway, in the UK politics often overrides science and evidence

@oslonorway547 5 лет назад

I would have liked to argue that, even though outsiders see a prisoner having a TV and video games in his cell as a luxury which should be denied to convicts, but to someone who grew up in a culture where going out for regular walks in the woods or to ski brings more happiness than being locked up indoors playing with electronic toys, therefore he is actually being _punished_ by taking away his freedom to live a happy Nordic lifestyle. ...... But who am I kidding? The kids he sent to their early graves are not even _'enjoying'_ whatever restriction (actually freedom) which he is having right now. So while I'll reserve my judgement on what we really think he deserves, I just want to say, thank you for making a video on this. The memories are depressing, but still, thanks Will.

@rangergxi 5 лет назад

Doesn't he get access to nature though?

@oliilo1 5 лет назад

@@rangergxi No. He is locked up and isolated from the rest of the inmates for his own protection. Which is why he gets 3 rooms, sport- and entertainment systems.

@dimaignatiev6370 5 лет назад

Just to make sense of it all...In The U.S he would be sent to the electric chair,in Russia he would dissapear....In Israel he would be executed by General Security Service,and In The Kingdom of Saud he would be beheaded... @Trev C

@ipproductions 5 лет назад

I'm against the death penalty for most cases, but for in flagrante heinous crimes, it's completely parsimonious.

@suserman7775 5 лет назад

@@erickcoser Import the scum that other nations are "blessed" with, and Norway doesn't stand a chance in hell.

@danielbat9887 5 лет назад

Look at solitary confinement or the death penalty and tell me that's justice. Vengeance? Maybe, but not justice.

@srslywtfcl4p404 5 лет назад

@@augustnkk2788 Maybe it is to you, but to most people. Killing someone, no matter what is wrong.

@lorenzoarellano4334 5 лет назад

They could still be important members of society no Mather how evil but only if treated right and not sure if you have seen but death penalty is as far as I know more expensive

@biggiec8224 5 лет назад

@@lorenzoarellano4334 In my opinion, someone who killed 77 people and injured over 300 others should never be allowed to come back and be a member of society EVER again.

@itsjonny1744 5 лет назад

@@biggiec8224 Anad he never will

@biggiec8224 5 лет назад

@@itsjonny1744 He probably never will, but in my opinion, he should be sentenced to life in prison(an actual prison, not a hotel suite) without the possibility of parole.

@BoboDoboRobo 5 лет назад

You might not like it but the figures proves its effectiveness. To turn a morally destitute individual into a positive influence on society, don't surround them with more suffering and pain, because that's where they've come from; Hell is what they're used to. All you do is reinforce their habits.

@zewwibot 5 лет назад

Did you watch the video? The numbers don't prove anything because they're misunderstood. The reincarceration rate is 25% in Norway and 27% in USA.

@frankySR21 5 лет назад

Scharlach927 Justice is, in its most basic sense, the institutionalization of revenge. One of the first codified legal codes we have, the first true metric of justice divvied by the state, comes from the Babylonian King Hammurabi. The iconic phrase “eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth” comes from this legal code and it is considered to be a great innovation because it set limits to revenge. It brought about strict “justice” as opposed to familial feuding, where opposing clans would take revenge into their own hands and often get out of control. In short, we as humans want closure. We want to know that the person who did us or our family wrong is being duly punished for what he did. We what to feel vindicated. I don’t think Norwegian prison provides that, and I personally would be very angry if a person who raped or murdered someone in my family were given accommodations better than what the poor in my country receive.

@delig4280 5 лет назад

@@zewwibot Nono its around 20 in norway, and MUCH higher in USA. I have heard its like 80 percent in USA or some shit

@delig4280 5 лет назад

@@zewwibot Wait no hahah nvm i misunderstood sorry, i though u meant peaople coming back to prison xD

@runthemeows1197 4 года назад

@@zewwibot Its not about how many are incarcerated ONCE, though. Our rate of reoffenders is far lower than that of The US. Its about helping them get back into society. Rehabilitation, not punishment.

@HxH2011DRA 5 лет назад

I'd rather society be overly nice to even the worst criminals than extremely disgustingly harsh to even the most minor of offenders or even people who do nothing at all

@jenstf 5 лет назад

It sounds like all Norwegian prisons give inmates keys to their cell and access to knives. There are different levels of prisons, from high security with isolation to an Island with houses and much freedom that only prisoners with good behavior can apply to be transfered to. There are also low security prisons for minor crimes such as DUI

@friedmac7146 2 года назад

Covid-19 doesn't care about who you are. 🇺🇲😎🍺⚓

@mjohnson5030 5 лет назад

This was very thought provoking, took a balanced objective view of a very controversial topic. Well done.

@ipproductions 5 лет назад

When your posts are 3 minutes, 3 hours old, 3 days old or 3 years old they look freaky.

@mjohnson5030 5 лет назад

@@ipproductions ummm... k.

@comradeivan3903 5 лет назад

@@ipproductions Thank you Kanye, very cool!

@electroskylightgaming4085 5 лет назад

No 1 2 , Norwegian System is not controversial.

@mjohnson5030 5 лет назад

@@electroskylightgaming4085 The "controversial topic" is NOT Norway specifically. The topic is the purpose of imprisonment: correction/reform/reintegration vs punishment. THAT is very controversial internationally. Within Norway I am sure it is NOT controversial. But, as this video clearly established from the start, the Norwegian philosophy of corrections (rentegration>punishment) is extremely controversial for most other countries, especially the USA.

@zaph1rax 5 лет назад

Also worth noting, in Norway, there are no private prisons. They are all run as part of a government organization, much like the police or the army.

@5subswithnovideos283 4 года назад

thats why its so much better than the usa,it focuses on rehabilitation and trying to improve their lives when they go back out and i respect norway for that.

@sanderedvardsverdrup9652 5 лет назад

I'm glad you blurred out the face and name of the terrorist, especially when some people have seen him do the actions he did. I have just met one survivor and he said that the terrorist was treated the way he should have, the enforcement handled everything right and he felt like the terrorist didn't need a harder punishment. He does not seek revenge but righteousness. Great video by the way!

@KigreTheViking 5 лет назад

Tl;Dr: Had to take the bus myself, ask the bus driver where the prison is, walk "blindly" and through snow in order to get there. Had to ring the bell and tell them why i am there. About 10 years ago I did time in the north. 28 days for unpaid tickets to the police. Took the bus from my home city to there. Getting off the bus i somewhat, shamefully and reluctantly asked the bus driver as the other passengers had left: "Excuse me, do you know... where the prison is?" He pointed up at the lights in the horizon and said: "That big building up there with the big lights" or something. Its late, its snowing, luckily not too cold. Uphill for the most part, not too long of a walk. I had to however, wade through snow up to my knees as i didnt know the best way to get there and i didnt want to walk around randomly in the neighbourhood at around 23:30 at night not really knowing if it was the right way. So i decided a "shorcut" would have to do it. There i was, wading through snow headed for the prison late at night. Getting to what i assumed was the "front" door. (It looked more like an alley backdoor well lit.) The door is locked with a keypad. There's a camera, a doorbell and a speaker. I rang the bell and a platonic voice responded with "Yes, hello?" In my mind i was expecting that they were expecting me in some other way than that i had to ring the bell and BE LET IN THE PRISON BY THEM! Absurd! "Er... im suppose to do time." "Whats your name?" I stated so and he told me to wait. I stood there lightly shocked for a few seconds, thinking how absurd everything was. But i get it, what am i gonna do? Run away? Stay hidden within this system? Or outside of it? Yeah right, im not a fucking caveman. :)

@lukasklister7206 5 лет назад

I might be wrong but I think your rectified analysis about the reincarceration might be biased too. Norway has on average shorter prison sentences and no lifelong incarceration this might makes the American statistics look better.

@torgrimgrinifjelldal257 5 лет назад

Lukas Klister true

@johnster225 5 лет назад

Technically, Norway does have lifelong sentences. There are two types of sentences: fengsel (prison) and forvaring (google translate calls this custody), with both having a max sentence of 21 years. However, if you are sentenced to forvaring, it means that after your sentence is done, you get re-evaluated to see if you are ok to be let out. If the court decides no, you get another sentence. So even though A.B.B (The guy he talked about in the start) was only sentenced to 21 years, he will most likely be re-sentenced to another 21 years after his first sentence, technically making it a life sentence.

@markusg.6812 5 лет назад

@@johnster225 Riktig! Breivik fikk forvaring, og kommer sikkert aldri til å komme ut av fengselet.

@alifomo 5 лет назад

@@johnster225 Almost correct. The only thing you got wrong is the re-sentencing. After the first costody term is served (21 years) and the legal system decides that he or she is not yet fit to enter society, he or she will get a maximum of 10 years. After the 10 years she or he can be re sentenced to 5 years over and over indefinetly.

@JohnTavastian 5 лет назад

In Norway they make you feel like you just barely missed the bullet and make you not want to do it a gain. In the US your sitting in a dirty cell with no sign of hope so migt as well kill some more people. Also in Norway you can still get a job after prison(depends on what kinds of crimes you have done). In rhe US it's really hard to get a real job after prison.

@TehRedBlur 5 лет назад

I find your "Prison System" videos difficult to watch, but that is why I watch them. Thank you for making these!

@ksurovov 5 лет назад

Even if you are in Norwegian prison, you are still in prison. By the way, thank you for the great video!

@lorenzoarellano4334 5 лет назад

Better a norwiegian prison than a American prison or any other mate those inmates have better living conditions than most of the world

@ALHat22 5 лет назад

Summer camp

@troll7589 5 лет назад

@@ALHat22 we take away their freedom, not there humanity. That's why our prisons worke

@shilohschwartz8671 5 лет назад

No they don't. That terrorist will commit another atrocity if they get out. What the whole world needs is a Ministry of Love to educate them.

@troll7589 5 лет назад

@@shilohschwartz8671 that seems to work out great in the US! And just because we don't treat him like shit in prison, doesn't mean he'll never come out.

@sonodo511 5 лет назад

The reason Norwegian court decided his rights were violated was that he was denied human contact, kept in isolation.

@OldHickory1828 5 лет назад

Sonodo he should've been denied a heart beat

@sonodo511 5 лет назад

@@OldHickory1828 Maybe so, just stating facts.

@plainlake 5 лет назад

@@OldHickory1828 It would be understandable if an individual did that to him (I would volunteer), but if the state did something like that, it would damage the core principles of the country. Letting him do even more damage to it.

@Damo-hp7bc 5 лет назад

Of course he wad cos he is not an ODC prisoner he was kept away for his own safety after what he done

@Damo-hp7bc 5 лет назад

Was^

@FallsGaming 5 лет назад

i had just gotten home from the ferry to Germany. 4 hrs after leaving oslo we saw the news...

@trollpikken6907 5 лет назад

Haven't finished the video just yet just let me say real quick 1:08 It was he who did it. His lawyer is not "his" lawyer. It is a Lawyer provided by the government. And an extremely nice and good lawyer as well. Don't bring him into this he is just doing his job. In Norway, people have a right to a lawyer if they cannot afford one.

@Eric0225 3 года назад

Yeah, it seemed a bit unfair to me for the poor dude

@hegbo 3 года назад

It's easy to look for flaws in this system, but it's a system based on rehabilitation and not revenge. I'm a strong supporter of the way we treat our less fortunate brothers and sisters. One day they'll be your neighbor, colleague, friend or even family member.

@alfsloreng8563 5 лет назад

I lost my brother the day I appreciated not showing his face or saying his name❤

@oskarpettersson3549 5 лет назад

alf sloreng vennen min mists søstra si der, men det hjelper ikke så mye og blure det ut. Hvis man søker Man drepe 70 barn i Norge så kommer det veldig lett opp...

@magnus6182 5 лет назад

Kondolerer

@Tobbseen 5 лет назад

Ååå kondolerer

@lindasvalesen5237 5 лет назад

This is now a part of Norway's history. His name and face should be known. You can't blur out history.

@fiona4729 5 лет назад

Kondolerer

@Anna-pj8te 5 лет назад

Norway has the best prisons in the world. Last year early in October I slept over at a lighthouse in bastøy prison (you can rent the lighthouse). It was a great experience, and I even got to talk to the inmates and feed a tame fox. I highly recommend doing it👍

@levkriscoins9115 5 лет назад

In the old days, Bastøy was torture prison where people were raped, beaten and abused. Much worse than any American prison has ever been.

@MaggisGaming 5 лет назад

I thought Bastøy was a school where young boys that had behavior issues were being diciplined. My grandad was at one of those schools and some years ago recieved alot of cash because of the neglect being placed in one of those "schools". And now its a prison.

@Anna-pj8te 5 лет назад

Lev Kris Bastøy was never a torture prison as far I know, but like Maggie (the person above says) it used to be prison colony for young boys (with pretty bad conditions). There is actually a movie about the juvenile prison, it’s called King of Devil's Island. I haven’t personally watched the movie myself, but I know others who have.

@levkriscoins9115 5 лет назад

@@MaggisGaming Bastøy was a prison for child ..... labor camp Children were beaten, sexually abused by the adults. The kids got little food, almost had no clothes out in any weather. Deaths were common, no one cared. Today, there is a prison for adult, open prison.

@Anna-pj8te 5 лет назад

MaggisGaming and what was once a terrible juvenile detention center, has now turned into one of the best prisons in the world. Isn’t that weird to think about?

@HansP0203 5 лет назад

You got most of this correct but the recidivism rate over a 5 year period is 20% in Norway as opposed to 76.6% in the US and the Incarceration rate is 74 per 100,000 in Norway and 655 per 100,000 in the US as of 2018

@gta4everrr 5 лет назад

Yes, but the disparity in recidivism, according to the video, is caused by differences in reporting methodology. When rates of rearrest and incarceration are compared, the two countries have similar re-offending statistics.

@HansP0203 5 лет назад

@@gta4everrr Yeah i know, and i don't know how on earth he scrambled together that information, since both Country's uses the same reporting methodology as seen in govern and non govern statistics and individual studies. The numbers don't lie, but this guys sources are way off

@florianb81 5 лет назад

Hello Will. Happy new year to you and your loved ones. Happy to learn new stuff from your videos

@Ianmundo 5 лет назад

Essentially if we treat humans like animals and you get animals, life sentences and poor conditions encourage deviance. The reality is that punishment is ineffective in increasing public safety and locking people up is expensive so a path to rehabilitation of criminals is for best in most cases. Punishment may make victims feel better but would you personally feel safer living near an ex-con who had spent 5 years in the Norwegian prison system or 10 in a US penitentiary?

@radishpineapple74 5 лет назад

I would prefer that nobody live next to the worst offenders. Someone who commited serial murder should not be allowed to live next to law abiding citizens, even if they are not likely to reoffend. It is an insult to the victims that such a monster should have that freedom. Imagine going to the grocery store and seeing the man who tortured your child to death. Imagine seeing that man living free, enjoying a life that he viciously and knowingly denied your child. Imagine everyone around you being happy with this situation, telling you to calm down and let bygones be bygones. What a nightmare. Therefore, the worst of the worst should never be reintegrated and no attempt should be made at doing so. They should be eliminated. A very small few will be incorrectly killed, but I think it's worth it, to give a sense of dignity to the far greater number of victims and to spare them and society at large the mental torture of knowing that society willingly allows monsters to live amongst them.

@yvrelna 5 лет назад

@@radishpineapple74 You say that it's not ok for victims to think that people who've violated their lives are walking free. However, you also say that it's somehow ok if victims later discovered that they are the reason some innocent, but falsely accused man gets executed.

@paveldaman1820 5 лет назад

@@radishpineapple74 You say it is OK for a few to be wrongly executed for the "greater good" ore something like that. Does that not make YOU a serial killer? Also, if the person that killed my child became a normal member of society, then I would be HAPPY, since it means that I have won over the evil. If a killer dies as a killer, then has not evil won?

@zukodark 5 лет назад

@@radishpineapple74 You really are ignoring some key points - the worsts criminals don't get out of prison very soon, and they aren't gonna live besides their victims. I mean even if we had a death penalty, we'd only want to give it to a few persons, it really isn't worth changing as it would risk shattering the entire system.

@joe-nl9jd 5 лет назад

@@radishpineapple74 that's not how it would work, they most likely wouldnt be permitted to leave to certain cities and be on parol

@aroraptor7550 5 лет назад

This is why scandinavia is great. Im swedish and we do it practically the same and we have waay lower crime rate than the USA. Thats proof that the prison system like death penalty and life prison is not good. Why would you kill a criminal? Arent you the criminal then?

@CMHC 5 лет назад

Fantastic approach to this video. Loved every minute.

@QazwerDave 5 лет назад

What is the name of this piano song ?

@TommyOlsen 5 лет назад

One of the songs were Erik Satie: Gnossiennes

@mwolday3976 5 лет назад

I give this video a thumbs up because you are one of very very few people who have not shown his face and name. Too many his fall into the trap of giving him more attention than he needs when this tragedy is discussed.

@santiagocueva936 5 лет назад

You should really make a video about the recent riots in France. Keep making great videos!!!

@rangergxi 5 лет назад

Should wait till they've taken over and formed the 9th French Republic.

@zzzanon 5 лет назад

I agree, that video would be interesting.

@santiagocueva936 5 лет назад

@OmegaReviews The yellow vest moment has nothing to do with nationalism or imperialism

@santiagocueva936 5 лет назад

@OmegaReviews The yellow vest moment started because the government lowered the taxes for the rich and raised the taxes on gas, specially affecting the rural areas and the poor citizens. The movement is against the neoliberal government of Macron not against oil prices.

@ggrsvvrd2683 5 лет назад

One my favorite videos yet, keep up the good work

@biglambda8567 5 лет назад

I think this might be the best youtube channel I've ever encountered. Very impressed by your work.

@cazek445 5 лет назад

So the human rights treaty is ignored by most countries?

@drachula1184 5 лет назад

Pretty much along with a lot of people in the comment section.

@santana-dr7hp 3 года назад

and america is proud of it, too

@giveussomevodka 5 лет назад

In this video is featured Varg Vikernes, who was imprisoned for over two decades for murder, and came out to be a pretty integrated family man. So the system probably works. I definitely can't see a murderer in the USA being in jail for 20+ years and coming out to be a father and a taxpayer.

@FluffyPoopPrincess 5 лет назад

In a Swedish prison the guards once forgot to lock the cells for some murderers for the night, so they could have trashed the place, but they watched a movie and baked a chocolate cake toghether! Nice!

@thomasdecolita 5 лет назад

Great video!

@opiesmith9270 5 лет назад

Norway is leading the world in actual functioning prison system. Not private prisons that make cash off pushing as many people thru as possible, especially minorities and immigrants. Or worse solitary confinement 23 hours a day, that’s unethical and evil, like the US where prisons serve as mental health institutions as well making people FAR worse off then before they arrived. Solitary confinement is inhumane even the Quaker’s back when women and also men were being hung and burned for witchcraft felt that total long term solitary was going too far. A massive percent of the US adult population is in prison, mostly because of private for profit prisons and the lobbyists that push thru legislation that allows US citizens to be easily imprisoned and for much longer like mandatory minimums even for non violent drug offenses. That’s insane. So maybe it’s more lavish than some would like but losing ones freedom is the punishment, no need to keep adding more punishment on like prisons inside prisons, solitary, slave labor ect. Prisons should REHABILITATE not make people worse off and more likely to reoffend. Norway has one of the lowest recidivism rate in the world, and this is a big reason why. You have to see the forest through the trees. Big picture.

@TheReaper569 5 лет назад

private prisons are ok

@EvdogMusic 5 лет назад

@@TheReaper569 "private prisons are okay" for their investors

@TheReaper569 5 лет назад

@@EvdogMusic captain obvious

@cv4809 5 лет назад

How can a pedophile be rehabilitated

@WackyIraqi777 5 лет назад

@Opie Smith - did you even bother to watch the video? Recidivism rates, when measured identically are damn near the same for both the US and Norway, despite vastly different approached. 2% difference does not justify coddling criminals. You think solitary confinement is evil? How many people would someone need to kill before you'd agree they need to be seperated from everyone else? 1? 100? 1000? By your twisted logic, Adolf Hitler just needed a little time in a Norwegian prison and I'm sure he would have spent the time hand writing apology letters to the 10 million + people he killed.

@sevoftalpha 5 лет назад

One thing I wonder, that wasn't part of the video, is how much difference there is in how prisoners behave with each other. What would usually be considered privileges, is already available to most, if not all, so I'm trying to imagine how much that would impact violence 'behind bars' . Anyhow, thanks, great content

@CosmicJesterX 5 лет назад

stay out of jail children

@ErnestJay88 2 года назад

In simple sentence : Scandinavian nations prison system are for "Re-Education" rather than "Punishment", it looks like a college dorm rather than typical prison cell, their goal is when the convict finishing their sentence, they can go back to society as a better person, educated, or trained individual that can help society better. Their program works, almost 90% of former inmates didn't commit crime anymore because they have a job after get released from prison. Compare to other nation where almost half of inmate going back to prison within a year after release because they commit a crime again because after they're release, the had no jobs, society reject them (nobody wants to hire former inmates), they have no money to support themselves so they commit a crime again in mind "at least i got free meals and free bed in prison"

@singleplaya0 5 лет назад

I enormously love your channel :) I will now re-watch your episode on Spanish war. have a nice evening.

@kebman 4 года назад

This was very informational, even to me who's a Norwegian. Thank you!

@mlgsteenad4068 5 лет назад

"This leaves alot of people questioning if Justice is being served at all." Isn't this just your American way of thinking?

@jackhwthorne 5 лет назад

well i mean getting to hang out in a hotel suite with internet, video games, a tv, etc. doesn't seem like justice for someone who MURDERED 77 PEOPLE. this is not a person, it is a monster. why do you think he deserves this? not saying someone who stole a car should be locked up for 10 years, but their system of "justice" is not what i'd call justice. that's just my thoughts though.

@christiannicolasborgenstee3092 5 лет назад

@@jackhwthorne the thing is that he hasn't got most of those things

@jackhwthorne 5 лет назад

@@christiannicolasborgenstee3092 well I mean that's what the news headline they're talking about says soooo..... Even if he didn't still doesn't change my opinion

@christiannicolasborgenstee3092 5 лет назад

@@jackhwthorne i agree that there should definetly be made a more strict exeption for that animal

@AndreasEUR 3 года назад

@@jackhwthorne Well, there's your first problem. you state he's not a person, but the basic human rights disagree with you.. And luckily, so does Norwegian law.

@sauron981 5 лет назад

This was a wonderful video, thank you

@wenbornwilliam 5 лет назад

what music is this in the middle of the video?

@saftsuse866 5 лет назад

This was actually very decently made. As a Norwegian, I see videos on this topic being full of misunderstandings, but not so much in this one. The amount of research you must have done to make this proves you care about the quality of your videos. It's the first video I've seen from you, but I'll check out a couple of more and most likely subscribe :)

@leonschweiger4676 5 лет назад

Is there a special reason you did blure his face? Becaue at least in europe his face was all over the news for weeks. Or was that not the case over the pond ?

@zzzanon 5 лет назад

Blur the face to deny them fame/infamy for their actions. Something about showing their faces will inspire others to do similar things. I recall some USA agency, perhaps the FBI, said showing their face was the worst thing that could be done.

@leonschweiger4676 5 лет назад

@@zzzanon Ah okay intreresting. Thank you for your reply.

@zzzanon 5 лет назад

@@leonschweiger4676, you're welcome!

@leonschweiger4676 5 лет назад

@@enlighteneddoggo5803 Nothing because as this video shows they get the same results statisticly. Just because a system seems unfair through the lense of one case does not mean it produces bad results. Of cource it maybe is unfair in this single case if you define justice in this retribution kinda way. I also dont think their oil money will run out any time soon because other than the saudis or other such nations they really have been smart in investing it. They created a massive investmentfound (its around 152 Billion euror) and in comparison with the golf states have a highly educated and working popultion. Still thank you for your reply and confirming my suspition that is was such a huge deas as I remember it to be.

@seraphina985 5 лет назад

@@leonschweiger4676 The only system that seems unfair in light of the statistics is the punitive one, if extensive systematic human rights abuses in treatment of prisoners can't even be justified with better results then what exactly justifies society lowering itself to the criminals level or even worse by committing systematic abuse? Especially when you consider that the majority of people subjected to this abuse in many countries are non violent offenders serving time as a consequence of an untreated medical condition like drug addiction and any kind of violation of the rights of others that stark fact makes it even harder for me to understand how people can consider unnecessary infringement of their rights that is neither a necessary nor proportionate response for the majority of those being mistreated. Personally all else being equal if the additional infringement of the individuals rights doesn't provide any benefit to the goal of protecting society from crime proportionate to the infringement necessary I don't really get it. Honestly it bothers me that there is no evidence that the unnecessary infringements of prisoners rights brings any benefit to society beyond giving people a perverse sense of pleasure in the suffering of others, regardless how people might want to justify that to themselves is it really that much different to the criminals when society takes perverse pleasure in inflicting emotional abuse on other human beings. Isn't the whole point of them being there in the first place at least for the worst offenders that they have selfishly taken pleasure or other personal gain from subjected other human beings emotional or physical abuse and yet somehow society can manage to claim the moral high ground while doing the same thing for no benefit other than a perverse sense of schadenfreude. I guess maybe most people struggle to see it from the other perspective but for me at least it is the system which causes the most physical and/or psychological harm to prisoners that has to justify that unnecessary harm with tangible benefits in terms of measurable results not the other way around.

@sinxerg 5 лет назад

what is the song in the background of this video?

@AZ-oy5vj 5 лет назад

what's that song from 06:15? Does anybody know, I've heard it before and I swear I knew the name of it, but it just escaped me and sadly most youtubers don't give proper or any music sources.

@cheetor1987 5 лет назад

If only it wasn't so expensive to apply this in the us, in any way. I think the Correctional system in the US lost that purpose ,correction, long ago. In vulnerable groups it's more often a recruitment system for assorted gangs rather than a place to reset. With that in mind i believe we can put first time offenders in this kind of environment, for example a kid who was on the strait and narrow but, killed a man defending his family or something along those lines. Idk though I'm no expert but, growing up in a poorer area in Colorado gave me some perspective on the system as is. Have a good day and, remember you are the arbiter of your own safety out there.

@toxendon 5 лет назад

Decriminalize non-violent drug related sentences and boom, lots of space and budget.

@samswift102 5 лет назад

Heyder, Jeffery, A Killing some one in self defense is NOT a crime at all.

@cheetor1987 5 лет назад

@@samswift102 It depends on the circumstances. There are certainly times that people face prison over Justifiable homicide.

@MrTohawk 5 лет назад

The US prison system is so expensive because a) many prisons are privately operated and b) way too many people get jailed

@jaketus 5 лет назад

I find it truly odd, that when ever a model comes along that is "more expensive" than the US model, people tend to say that "US just can't afford it". The same people also say US is the richest country on the planet. Now either it's one or the other, not both. After all, the usual argument is "it works on small scale but US is 10 times larger", is obviously not true as savings generally come at scale. If a country like Norway can afford this, so can US. Sure there are plenty more users a service, but also there's a lot more money around. Also, before someone shouts "But we pay for your defense", I live in a country which isn't NATO member, isn't defended by US troops and actually has history of being invaded by the USSR, and having that invasion successfully repelled. No reason to read the following paragraph, TL;DR: if small European countries can afford something, US can also. And often US already spends more money on said service but the practices and methods are simply wrong. The most controversial case of these is medicare for all. Sure, if one has unlimited money, the person gets the best care in the world. But what we should be interested are the averages. As a whole, US system is the most expensive in the world per person without showing anywhere near the best results. People already are using tons of money on it, difference is just who picks up the bill. All other developed countries can afford it, surely US can, as it already spends more money on healthcare.

@Altazium 5 лет назад

Prisoners have a life too, we dont treat them like animals, we let them live normal, but not free.

@somas7293 5 лет назад

Yes, and so do victims...

@Eric0225 3 года назад

@@somas7293 yes, but so do the prisoners Everyone has a life, it's not eternal, the criminal kills the victim, we ruin the criminal's life, the criminal gets back and the criminal goes killing again. Or: the criminal ruins the victim's life, we rehabilitate the criminal, the criminal comes back as a good person, the criminal becomes helpful to society, but in the process of rehabilitating the crimknal we have to give him certain luxuries. Imagine this scenario: A person (criminal) kills another person (victim), the criminal gets sentenced to 10 year in prison, and will suffer while he's in there. In his prison stay all he knows is that he needs to be tough, and when he gets released he may kill another 10 people again, or may go out selling drugs. Let's repeat this scenario, but instead of putting him in a traditional prison we place him in a Norwegian prison, the criminal gets rehabilitated, sure he gets luxuries and stuff but it is neccesary for his rehabilitation. The outcome is overall better, the criminal learns how to be a better person and in turn, becomes a helpful citizen to society, it may be kind of unfair to the victim but the end result is better for everyone else. Because if we ruin another's life for the sake of 1 person (or multiple) but that criminal may go killing again we get a worse result all for the sake of a few people, in the end, more people get killed. This is why i actually think this prison system is great, sure it's a bit unfair, but the end result is still better for everyone. "Treat a person like an animal and they become an animal, treat a person with respect and they become a respectful person"

@MyouKyuubi 5 лет назад

Very informative! Good video. :)

@davidhutchinson5233 4 года назад

Another great video sir.

@davidorth4906 5 лет назад

In Norway we do swordmaking classes in prison, we don't want want bored inmates. We are very harsh on them, only one bottle of wine each day...

@Eric0225 3 года назад

Damn, that's harsh

@ryan_alexander 5 лет назад

2:35 unexpected Varg

@raskltube 5 лет назад

what's the piece of the music with the piano?

@stephen6511 4 года назад

Can any1 tell me the price of music played on paino ? Thanks

@florence4372 5 лет назад

At least I won't have to fear for my life, safety or sanity if I get thrown into jail for some reason

@Arkanthrall 5 лет назад

If prisoners have such a good treatment, I hope that elders in retirement house have even better living conditions. So many elder people live in poverty in other countries...

@yung_berk 5 лет назад

At 6:00 what is that music called?

@leighparker9109 5 лет назад

Thanks for sharing.

@sanguis4893 5 лет назад

Norway does not have a "nice" prison system for people that have committed violent crimes. Unlike the United States, you live under almost complete isolation. Sure you don't get raped but just living in a box for centuries only meeting prison staff a few times a day is not a fun time.

@oskarpettersson3549 5 лет назад

Sanguis or u get the chair

@mattwakefield4147 5 лет назад

I wanna do a crime in Norway just to see how good this system really is

@lindasvalesen5237 5 лет назад

That is what alot of people do.

@5subswithnovideos283 4 года назад

pls dont ruin the country with immigration, i dont want it to look like sweden

@vikingpotet 4 года назад

Well, you’ll have to be an Norwegian citizen then and that can take a long time. If you do a crime here and you are not a Norwegian citizen you will be transported to your home country

@grootsyt 4 года назад

@@5subswithnovideos283 racist much?

@thewhat531 3 года назад

Matt Wakefield how did it go? You out yet?

@octavioquartio 3 года назад

Happy to see such a balanced video with historical insight and a more accurate statistic. Well done!

@stiras1 5 лет назад

I have personally talked to a Norwegian prisoner. He was smuggling drugs in his boat. It doesn't really matter if you don't live in a crap-hole, everyday you are constantly reminded that you live in a prison. You have a limited space that you can move around in, not everyone in there are nice (they're criminals), and you cannot leave. You are stuck in this tiny little world isolated from the rest oft he country. You can't just go out and have a beer with the guys when you feel like it. You're in prison. Talking to this guy, and talking to the guard who came with him, I understood that the system worked for him. He knew he had done wrong, yet nobody treated him badly. The prison guards treated him like a person, and once in a while the guards would take some of them outside the prison to have socials, preparing them for the outside world, because it is really difficult reentering the world after having been locked up for a long time. You're not used to all the people and the fast pace of everyone else. In Norway, when you get out of prison we have a buddy system where former prisoners, who have volunteered, help newly released people with the transition. It's just so they have someone who understands they can talk to. Even a high standard prison like this is a prison, and everyone wants to get out; but unfortunately, like with most people who've been in prison, the transition to the outside world can be tough. If you've lived in a hell hole and been treated like an animal for a decade, what are you going to be like when you are released upon society?

@nt5434 5 лет назад

if they dont commit another crime again then justice has been adequately served.

@techcommenter 5 лет назад

I love Norway!!!

@Hussar-bt8sv 5 лет назад

We dont want muslims

@magnus6182 5 лет назад

@@Hussar-bt8sv Stop lying! Nothing is wrong with muslims!!

@Tobbseen 5 лет назад

Takk ore thank you

@joe-nl9jd 5 лет назад

Same

@sandroinorge871 5 лет назад

@@Hussar-bt8sv lol!

@simonutbjoe 5 лет назад

What is the song called, starting 6:10 ?

@ark_ryl9384 5 лет назад

Gnossienne: No 1 by Erik Satie

@simonutbjoe 5 лет назад

@@ark_ryl9384 Thanks bud!

@filmwhirld2874 5 лет назад

Thank you for this video existence it helped me a lot with my English speech course work

@aj5374 5 лет назад

If it works then why complain?

@Eric0225 3 года назад

Yeah

@pokerpepper4272 5 лет назад

The maximum sentence in Norway is 21

@silentdeath7847 4 года назад

True, it is maximum 21 years. But you can have that sentence repeated up to 4 or 5 times if the criminal system deem you to great a risk, like prisoners that don't change in prison. Not sure how often this is used, but i don't rlly think it's used allot.

@akzebraminer5679 4 года назад

Silentdeath You are right but it can be done unlimited times there’s no limit.

@AndreasEUR 3 года назад

@@silentdeath7847 It can be lengthened in 5 year increments.

@nikko12332ko 4 года назад

From Norway and thank you for blurring his name and face

@ark_ryl9384 5 лет назад

What's the music from 6:10 onwards?

@kitdarwin9557 5 лет назад

I don't think he should have as much stuff has he does, but I'm not okay with you calling the european prison systems ''soft'' they don't violate human rights like almost all of US privately owned prisons do.

@totallyfrozen 4 года назад

Kit Darwin Excuse me?! I’ve worked for YEARS in a max security prison in America. The inmates have more rights and protections than the staff do. Even when American inmates get violent, there is very little that we’re allowed to do.

@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 3 года назад

@@totallyfrozen do he's not talkin about the max security prison he's talking about the state prison.

@Fazyex 5 лет назад

I Live in Norway :)

@Tobbseen 5 лет назад

Jeg og

@ss-jk8js 5 лет назад

Samme her

@brokennp666oof9 4 года назад

Samme.

@Eric0225 3 года назад

I am so damn jealous of you ):

@Thedisastermaster9 5 лет назад

I think a hybrid system is probably the way to go. More relaxed minimum security prisons focused on preventing resitivism and harsher maximum security prisons for violet inmates

@yugom488mmmauser2 5 лет назад

It's crazy man. It's like, if you treat a person as if they're a person, they'll be more inclined to be rehabilitated.

@JamesSmith-vg9gc 5 лет назад

2:32 Varg Vikernes

@absoluteinfinity1197 5 лет назад

I clicked on the video just to find that! thanks :))

@drakez3287 5 лет назад

wow it's really him lol

@ryan_alexander 5 лет назад

Unexpected Varg

@DanTweekStudios 5 лет назад

He looks so weird wearing a cap and a t-shirt just hanging out with a bunch of cute stuffed animals.

@dexterdime4217 4 года назад

If you treat people like animals, They will turn into animals.

@fernandobarajas809 Год назад

The media falsely claims that the guy will be released after just 21 years(the longest prison sentence allowed) but also failed to mention that he can(I believe) listed as a danger and basically kept in prison for the rest of his life which will more then likely happen...

@ollierkul 5 лет назад

Could it be worth exploring how much violence there are in these very different prison systems and how well do those who don't end back up in prison do?

@FrostySumo 5 лет назад

The biggest problem with the American prison system is the drug war. The drug war puts hundreds or thousands of people into prison that don't belong there. People whose only crime was possession or low level selling. You turn addicts into hardened criminals this way. The same is true of other low level offences. If you rob someones house in America you are likely going to jail where you are basically forced to join a gang based on race and are tortured if you don't follow along. Kalief Browder is a unfortunate example of this. Browder was only 16 when he was falsely accused of stealing a backpack. He spent 3 years in Ricker's Island being tourtured by both inmates and guards. I would rather have Norway's system then our current system. My dad has dementia and terminal cancer. 3 months ago he went for one of his normal walks around the park. Usually I go with him since the dementia diagnosis. This time I was bed-ridden with some flu and he went out himself. He had not shown back up 6 hours later and he will not answer his phone. He has an old flip phone so no GPS tracking was available. We called the police to help find him. We told the police his mental state and they said they would take it easy with him. 24hrs later the cops found him 20 miles north of his house without his phone, medication, or wallet. He could not remember anything about the last 24 hours. He ended up being charged with assaulting a homeless person (we are pretty sure the homeless person assaulted him and used Dad's memory against him). He has been locked in jail for 3 months now. They finally declared him incompetent but even with that they want to keep him for at least 2 weeks so he can be made "competent" (the report says it isn't reversible). Not only is this BS happening we found out that even though they have had official orders from his oncologist to continue his chemo they haven't lifted a finger. This is incredibly illegal. Now me and my disabled mother are having to find a more competent defense attorney and someone to sue the pants off of the county jail, the state hospital, and whomever else had their hands on this case and did nothing while my father rots in jail not even understanding where he is or why he is there. It is despicable!

@archer24 5 лет назад

Clap for the prisoner 😂😂😂

@GorgorothBergen-ns7il 5 лет назад

Hafid Farah You live in Norway

@archer24 5 лет назад

No I'm in Kenya right now

@GorgorothBergen-ns7il 5 лет назад

Is it Kenya a bit safer now?

@archer24 5 лет назад

@@GorgorothBergen-ns7il yh it's safer why

@GorgorothBergen-ns7il 5 лет назад

Hafid Farah A friend will be going on March, he is in touch with a Christian girl from Kenya.

@Henoik 4 года назад

For example, in the US, prisons are huge, whilst in my city, in Norway, theres a prison in the middle of the city square, at the tenth and eleventh floor of the police station. You wouldn't know there was a prison there if you didn't already know.

@ianerixon 5 лет назад

Glad I stuck around for the last minute of the video. I was thinking I had to start trafficking crack and get caught to learn some dope animation skills

@bobdole8830 5 лет назад

Because putting people in cages like animals has had so many great results in the US. People that ask for such forms of punishment are barbaric brutes, with a medieval mindset

@seraphina985 5 лет назад

Indeed, from my perspective even if the recidivism rates are almost the same that just proves that the barbarism of the US system is neither necessary nor proportionate to getting any tangible results. A sense of schadenfreude at seeing criminals "suffer" is not a tangible benefit nor does it really give anyone supporting it the credible moral high ground, it's rather hypocritical at best to call people criminals for harming others for their own personal gain and/or pleasure and use that as justification to subject people to physical or psychological abuse for no benefit other than making oneself feel better. I tend to be very much on the side of believing that any infringement of anyones rights that is not both necessary and proportionate to protecting the rights of others from being infringed by that individual is unjust.

@5subswithnovideos283 4 года назад

it makes sense that they want to actually focus on rehabilitating and making sure they can get a job,because everywhere else will just chuck you out with nothing and no help getting a job or anything like that to stay outta trouble.

@RickyRicked 5 лет назад

You left in his last name @ 1:36, its in his booktitle. Thanks for making great videos!

@rangergxi 5 лет назад

I don't see how this could work in a diverse country like the USA or Canada where certain groups within the country have a culture where crime and violence is normalized, if not glorified. I just imagine Norway's system could end up rewarding Jihadis. I also dunno if you should have used the USA for the comparison. They have a private prison system where judges are allowed to have their investments in their local private prisons. I don't think many other countries have this insane setup.

@zzzanon 5 лет назад

I agree, different cultures are going to have different levels of success with Norway's way of criminal justice. The way that works for them will not work for all cultures / countries.

@mjohnson5030 5 лет назад

"... like the USA where [200 years of class and race repression have given some demographics the choice of crime, imprisonment, death or poverty]". FTFY

@bjs301 5 лет назад

Over 90% of U.S. inmates are in public prisons. What information do you have suggesting that U.S. judges have significant ownership interests in private prisons, much less that they disproportionately sentence convicts to prisons they invest in?

@rangergxi 5 лет назад

@@bjs301 States have had to make laws against judges owning stakes in private prisons and companies that supply private prisons. Only a few states have actually done so though. I did a quick search and apparently many other western countries have private prisons. Guess my original point is invalid.

@bjs301 5 лет назад

@@rangergxi Your point was invalid for bigger reasons than you appear to realize. First, it would be unethical and criminal for a judge to sentence convicts to make a profit. Two Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania judges are both serving lengthy prison sentences for doing just that. Second, most private prisons in the U.S. are owned by corporations, which in turn are owned primarily by large institutional investors. An individual judge's sentencing decisions would have no appreciable impact on corporate profits, and even if the judge happened to know that his or her mutual fund holdings included stock of GEO Group (one of the two large corporations that own most private prisons), for example, the minuscule effect that the judge's sentencing decisions might have on GEO's profits would result in an immeasurably small effect on the mutual fund's profits. Third, most American judges, upon finding that they have an interest in a private prison corporation, would immediately divest themselves of that interest. Bottom line - judicial ownership of private prison holdings in the U.S. has no significant bearing on the statistical issues considered in this video.

@zzzanon 5 лет назад

With limited public funds, I would rather tax-payer money go more towards helping non-criminals than criminals. Especially if the recidivism rates are so similar.

@WorthlessWinner 5 лет назад

are public funds really so limited that we have to make this choice though?

@MrAlexanderGroon 5 лет назад

You can help both still

@JaytleBee 5 лет назад

@ls7orBust isolation leads to mental illness though

@zzzanon 5 лет назад

@@MrAlexanderGroon, I think we both agree that there are many nice things that could be done ('universal health care', 'free college tuition', 'cozy rooms for criminals' ,etc, etc). What I am focusing on is that there is a lack of resources (i.e. public money, public funds) to pay for the things already in place (Medicare, Medicaid, the ACA, welfare, etc), resulting in the US being trillions of dollars in debt (see my last comment). Because of this, I feel that, if more money MUST be spent, it should be spent on regular hard-working people, rather than criminals. If we MUST spend more, it should be to help the store clerks, the plumbers, the truck drivers, the chefs, rather than the murderers, gang members, and rapists.

@SomeBritishGal1 5 лет назад

@ls7orBust Then you just increase rates of violence, mental health issues, substance abuse and re-offending.

@malchicken 5 лет назад

Super informative and a well balanced view; great video! Please consider doing a video on the Japanese prison system. They seem to have low crime rates yet I hear a quite strict prison system, so may be an interesting contrast.

@and3609 5 лет назад

Even though the Norwegian correctional system looks great from the outside, the stories from the people who have actually been there may be somewhat different. I know a guy who was incarcerated for 9 years~ish in some of Norway`s maximum security prisons, and he told a story about violence, hiererachy, drugs and gangs. Even though the system itself is supposed to be as humane as possible, the inmates in Norwegian prisons dont behave perfectly. 34% of inmates are foreigners. If you include the number of immigrants with a citizenship, the number is probably much higher. These differencies in ethnicity inside the prisons create a basis for gangs, and violent conflicts occur. Drugs are also an important factor in the everyday life for the inmates. Drugs are smuggled in by tennis balls that are thrown over the fence, and the prisons' own health clinic will provide you with drugs that calm you down. In general, the biggest suppliers of drugs in Norwegian prisons are the nurses. The guards are happy about the inmates popping pillls as long as they dont drink alcohol or take cocaine or do any other drug that will make you more "extroverted" and potentially dangerous. Infections and diseases are also wide-spread, especially beacause of the foreign inmates who come from countries where some mortal diseases like tubercholosis are still "active". The guy I know told me that in his prison there was a pool that people rarely used because it was extremely dirty and contagious. It was know as "The HIV-pond". He also told me that during his time inside, men were murdered. One man, who had robbed an old lady, was injected with an overdose of heroin to make it look like he killed himself. He also told me that every prisoner had something that could be used as a weapon in their cell ICE. Yes, I know that these conditions are "normal" almost everywhere, and that these are faaaar from the worst prison conditions anyone can experience. But still, they are a reminder that prison in Norway is not "perfect" in any way, and that even though the system is fairly good, the actual life in some Norwegian prisons is not as easy as it seems.

@MondayHopscotch 5 лет назад

How do you think the relatively homogeneous population of Norway impacts prison culture compared the USA?

@ChaosOmnimon 5 лет назад

Norway is able to do this because they don't fund a substantial military. So they are able to do it. I'm sure this works and well at that however the size of the USA limits this type of program because states handle incarceration and not the federal government.

@rubenpaolini5439 5 лет назад

They save money because the incarceration rate is lower.

@williamfrancis5367 5 лет назад

Norway is very rich. Its GDP per capita is $70,000 and the tax rate is among the highest in the world. They can easily afford to do this.

@rubenpaolini5439 5 лет назад

@@enlighteneddoggo5803 I said the incarceration rate. Bud.

@rubenpaolini5439 5 лет назад

@@enlighteneddoggo5803 Their prisons are better because they are able to sentence people to less jail time(be more lenient) and still have a slightly lower re- incarceration rate than the US.

@emileroberge9459 5 лет назад

Enlightened Doggo you seem more racist than enlightened.

@nytdiir 5 лет назад

Beautiful video, thank you. Also if anyone wants to know about the haunting piano music, it's one of my all time favorites: Erik Satie - Gnossienne No.1