An interesting studio discussion with young adults about Race and Prejudice' in 1980s Britain. First shown: 23/10/1981 If you would like to license a clip from this video please e mail: archive@fremantle.com Quote: VT24958
The TV and Media continue to make things worse. I love how this group are actually discussing this topic properly. People's judgement is clouded far more these days..
Surely the media can not work any harder to hide all the rape gangs and stuff from the natives. I don't see how they can do any more to hide the problems of suspicious road traffic accidents and racist attacks against Brits in their own country.
That was fascinating! The way the kid's spoke, their accents, the sentences they constructed, the pace, the patience and straightforwardness - quite different to nowadays. Would be interesting to see (a) a modern version of this show and (b) the same kids back as adults 40 years later, reflecting on what they thought then, how youth culture mattered and changed, plus what they think today's kids can learn from yesterday's kids.
Common i believe that we are meant to live together Man woman and even people of different colours. I am however proud that The UK has come a long way and is now more diverse than ever before.
Social media has opened the world to everyone. I would only experience a person from the Middle East if they came to my town and actually talked to me but I have so many friends from the Middle East and Asia and all over the world now and we all talk civil learning about others cultures. I think what you are referring to are those trolls who get a rise off of disrupting the peace. Which isn’t everyone on social media.
@@musicguy20 Hey person, thank you. The insistence on pessimism regarding technology (that their generation itself created) started to get on me. I know social media toxicity as much as y'all do, yet, I can not ignore everything good that came with it. “People went out and made friends more,” “People weren't depressed back then” are the two things I've heard more and I can't stop thinking about people like me that noone ever wanted to be friends with, and about how many friends met trough the internet. How many things were created because of it. The internet is also such a powerful tool for achieving things that I would never be able to. I was born before the internet, and I would still be an invisible depressed man, not understanding my own mind (I'm autistic) and why I don't have friends and can't understand people, without any changes in society because of how I look like and came from And now, I am a fucking game developer researching mental health conditions around the world in order to help those invisible people everywhere, heck yeah! I came here by watching videos of teens hanging out in the 80s without cellphones and yeah, they seem to be having fun... But I can't not think about the kids who weren't there on camera. We can only see what people choose to show of the past.
This is really sad to think that this was filmed nearly 40 years ago and these young people are coming out with some amazing points that are so hopeful and yet ww’ve hardly move forward at all.
Yes they never want our families to become stronger then the royal family so they flood our estates with drugs and guns and mix everyone into one small space and it creates massive problems! Housing estates was created to get people into debts and council estates was created to cause problems with the upper class thefts and crime rates are high, they generate millions from the prison system its all created on purpose, why they dont want you living off free lands they want us all relying off the system
My family of Brothers and Sisters are from many races and ethnicity, it's so easy, makes no difference, it's always about being the best person, Rise and more forward... cheers from Huntington Beach CA 🇺🇸..
@@DashDrones exactly I wonder why he did that what was the point of having this conversation only for him to be shut down like that when he was making great points
True mate, i grew up with a few mixed race lads on my estate we was all as one! Cultures are what destroy us!! gang culture creates most problems! Internet has destroyed this earth now
I am mixed race also and have been accepted by many white people too, I was 6 when this was aired. I don't care about anyone's colour or race, have had friends of different races and meet good in every one, it's your inner self that matters more!!😀😇
Many UK cities outside of London are very racist and segregated in Birmingham, Manchester Liverpool Leeds and Bristol there is loads of divisions and whites mix with.thier own kind and hate outsiders.
Why did the presenter suddenly stop the probably very intelligent young person that ACTUALLY hit the nail on the head stating that racism is very disturbingly prevelant in the NHS and VERY OBVIOUSLY AND STILL IS in the Police Service! What an absolute idiot of a presenter. He only wants to talk about what HE feels comfortable with! Every single young person in the audience are extremely articulate and much more intelligent than many people that I see on T.V today.
Some points I couldn't help but notice. Their speech is more refined then many adults today. The jewish voice was given more representation and authority then the rest, much like today. There was no mention of the Muslim factor, which is wholly different from the discourse on discrimination today. There was no mention of homosexuals, which is wholly different from today. The Irish guy seemed more in tune with the black people then the rest. There seemed to be a type of "innocence" around the whole issue. Just my observations. I could be wrong.
There was no "Muslim Factor" until 9/11 and the ensuing war both in the media and militarily against almost 1/3 of the world let's let the Russians take the blame now
@@divergencefilms True those are the ones who force it on us not the average person someone once said can't remember the exact quote but the greater the evil, the greater the power of the individual because when a average person missteps and does something wrong they kill a bug but when a powerful person does it it can be a whole country destroyed or a race.
@@divergencefilms it's like what the last girl said..skinheads + Blacks should collaborate and fight the rich people because they are both in the same boat,(inaccessible amenities, poor housing, poverty etc) and the government has tricked them into hating each other.
Didn't figure there were so many open minded young people of all nationalities back in the 80's; it would be interesting to see if they still hold those views in 2022 ?
Seemed these kids had, collectively, worked out what to do - even if they did not all have the time to agree with it on that short show. To summarise I'd say they accepted racism existed, but focused on tackling the root cause which was prejudice, evidenced by discrimination. And breaking down prejudice by talking to each other, spending time in each other's company at work or play, sharing some of life's experience - practical things, not theorising.
The youth of that day were more in touch with the time's than the youth of today 2022 . I was a skinhead in the later part of the 80s, I was never involved in the racist movement, most skinheads were into Ska/ raggae.
Good to see this conversation, I enjoy the Thames channel's content. I believe Britain improved a lot in the ensuing years but one of the problems in the UK has been the importing of USA models and perspectives on race. (Or rather, the 'perspectives' of Marxist-leaning professors - btw I'm neither left wing nor right, personally.) There are points of overlap but the respective histories are very different. In some ways the USA are behind Britain, we should acknowledge the strides that have been made.
I differ. I think Britain is behind America in lots of ways. Blacks and browns cant be all they can be in Britain. Britain even discriminates agaisnt white immigrants and brits with different accents. That is unheard of in America.
This is how it sadly everyone wants to be friends growing up and some even wanna make a difference but soon they learn the truth and the only way I survive is to be corrupted...
just amazing ... these people ....compared to the generation of today ...is the starkest contrast .... educated ... articulate .... what in the name of GOD happened....... more importantly i started to get a sense of dread as the discussion progressed... an almost "Ooo you mustn't say that " ... it certainly says something about the age we live in that we are to afraid to speak our mind 🤔
I'm white, have friends of all creeds, we all understand each other and get along, but were about 30 plus, It seems the issue is those younger , who for whatever reason, need to make everything about them , any issue, even working a 8 hour day seems to be an issue, doesn't matter their ethnicity, its there age and life experience that defines them as , literally whimps
There are hundreds and thousands of people in Britain who do not want to be here, but they have no choice. Colonialism was responsible for the destruction of their country economy, industries, ripping of their minerals including the dead of millions which has for hundreds of years led to continuous discrimination and hardship. Until you are prepared to equal the playing field of wealth distribution, I am afraid that migration will continue. Western population needs education and an historical prospective of how the UK came to be what it is today.
I'm sorry, but you need to actually read history from an actual history book before inventing a version of history to fit your warped and jaded narrative of the world. The kids in this video from the 1980s would and do put the current generation to shame, and it shows how far we have regressed and dumed down since that time. A time when ACTUAL FACTS MATTERED and even the toughest of debates could be held with rational thinking in a civilised manor. Maybe the theory that civilisation has peaked and we are on a slope of decline holds some merit. Each and every young person in this video showed better critical thinking abilities than most of our current word leaders. That's how far we have fallen
I grew up in England throughout the 80s and 90s and I did get some stick for being black, but for at least the last two decades I've never much bother at all I work with the general public everyday I have done for years, white people I meet even the elderly who could be extremely Prejudice back in the day are lovely people they couldn't be more helpful. People who say it hasn't changed much since 1981 are talking out their ass I'm not saying racism isn't still about I'm just saying it's way better now then what it used to be take it from me. When I think about it the only time I witness racism is on social media.
Im white and experienced some racism in the 90s through to 2010 offline. Was rare. There was more early 90s towards white people. It settled by late 90s. Then social media set it all back off. Why I dont know but I feel we've been pushed back race-wise way beyond before I was born as to me there is more racism towards everyone in general now and I didnt really see any racism towards other races growing up. Was rare. I miss the 90s-2010.😢
It's pleasing to see all these youths, they represent the youths I know back in the day, Black , White or Asian there was a sense of unity of Youth, even the Skinheads were mainly non racist, only a few that the media catapulted into the stereotype people think they know today. Back then the Youth were more wise than their parents about race. I had many Asian friends yet had not even heard the world Muslim. I had many White Friends none mutters any racial comments about the Black community. I often wonder what happened . Why has Britain become more segregated today than back in the day? I see the Children of my generation far more segregated than in my day.
You didn’t hear Muslim back then because government and MSM agenda was to attack race at that time and not religion, only in 90s it became fashionable and trendy to attack the Islamic faith and Muslim people and not race anymore.
Isn’t it interesting how our problems repeat throughout the generations. We ask ourselves, where we’re heading as a race of humans and the truth is; around in circles.
@@mjh5437 I mean I'd like to see a study on that? But funnily seeing your other comments you see to have no problem with proven institutional racism having affected multiple generations, with zero discussion on that impact that has led to us being where we are now.... If being woke is just opposing that then I have no problem with that, unless you claim being woke is something else?
03:50 Exactly, thats the point I've been making. My parents were asked to come over and work and that they did. I would have preferred to be in the Ganga fields in Jah land 🤣
It`s really cheap now to fly to the West Indies and live there,why don`t you just emigrate if you hate England so much?...Oh yeah,no free stuff up for grabs there.
The passage of time makes me so sad. I know it shouldn't, it cant be stopped, but it does. I think about it all the time, how I'm getting older, everything changes. It makes me so sad to think all these people in their late teens and early 20's with their entire futures ahead of them at the start of the amazing decade of the 80's are now around 60, older people, their future played out already, in the blink of an eye seemingly. I was 2 in 1981, I'm almost 45 now. I feel mentally 18, but the face that looks back at me in the mirror tells a different story. I hope everybody makes the most of their time, because it rushes by before you know it.
I'm British and about six years ago I bought a motorhome in Haines City, Florida. The idea was that me, my wife and daughter would become American citizens and settle in Florida. We loved Florida, especially the weather . . . but . . . after having made several journeys back and forward to Florida, it was becoming quite evident; the white Americans just didn't get on with the black Americans - it was a racist divide. It was sorry to see but this was reality. I eventually sold the motorhome and we decided better stay in the UK.
Excatly I am a mixed race american with 1st generation luxembourgan background my mother is from there and I am looking into getting a luxembourgish passport soon I experienced hardcore racism in the part of the United States I am from its a different type of racism its nice racism I dealt it
Because he speaks the most sense. He may have also been sommeone known and asked to come on to give some intelligent feedback incase the rest of the audience couldn't
@mobley Mobley You seem a tad emotional. Young people today? They are lost and angry. Rightly so. Break down of families, religion, toxic social media, cancel culture, covid etc. I wonder, is there a generation out there who don't read anymore?
And from this, you can now understand the coming together that took place in the late 80s and 90s We have forgotten these very important lessons of the truth around this matter Wokism, cancelling etc has only aggravated the situation, denied any cross discussions and understanding
I understood. Basically it wass highlighting it which implies it isnt beautiful but that they need to be told it is to boost confidence. Or that its seen as better. Could be taken either way. To Americans they do this often and dont realise how corny it comes off. Race wasnt an issue for us in real life so these corny slogans seem almost patronising
@@DarkAngel2512 I don’t what is your heritage but the ‘Black is Beautiful’ was first coined by Life Magazine for their cover photo of entirely dark skinned female models back in the mid 1960’s at the height of the American civil rights movement. It was meant as a positive uplift meant for the community. Maybe the young woman felt excluded, probably thinking it should be inclusive?.
@@alex-sv8ru Indeed. Europeans NEED to be told how to be European by someone who has a homeland in the Middle East and actively promotes the eradication of Europeans in Europe...
@@Ben-ek1fz They're guests in this nation, just as an Englishman, born in Africa to English parents, would be a guest there - whilst also still being an Englishman. Why would you deny the reality?
