What is saving Atoma from 'Exterminatus' in Darktide? 

Send in the crackheads and a big dude with a rock

That’s kinda why that world wasn’t destroyed in space marine 1: strategic value

You are so correct

I still think how Imperium can be like that and lose Space Marine over dumbthings. 😂😂😂

The prime example I would use to back this point up will always be; the Imperium fighting over Vraks to the point where the whole planet turned into an inhabitable rock while losing 10 millions Imperial soldiers that basically all died in vain, it is the testiment to the Imperium not willing to easily give up a planet, or in another example, the war for planet Armageddon where a very massive commitment was put from every known branch of the Imperial armed forces toward that planet alone when blowing it up is much simpler considering the amount of clausterfk that was happening throughout the 60 years of war. That's a hard implication that the Imperium doesnt just blow up planets for fun. Even in other source material like the game Dawn of War, the only reason that Blood Ravens lost their recruitment planet due to Exterminatus was because it was perfectly orchistrated and manipulated by a Chaos tainted Chapter Master, but I would say the situation justify the action regardless since the planet (or the whole subsector for that matter) was already beyond repair from the results of both the Ork infestation and Tyranid invasion, Chaos invading later down the line was just a cherry ontop.

@@mediumsurmoon6283Vraks cost a mere few millions of guardsmen (honestly, whoever wrote the Vraks campaign should teach himself a little bit more of military history and strategy, but that's another convesation), and some million of tons of equipment. To take a productful planet could, would be worth a billion men in the long run. And not only that; exterminatus would be viewed by the inquisition in large as a failure to save the planet and it's production by the inquisitiors in charge. It's not that you ordered some billions of human to death (to be honest if the cost of saving a planet was every single human on it it'd be worth it), it's that ordered a planets production to be annihilated for very probably all time to come practically. I wouldn't be surprised if each case of exterminatus would be investigated by a conclave. So inquisitiors would know that it's the (literally) ultimate sanction, one that could get a bolt round to the head even if they have missed one little point of consideration upon making that decicion. And remember, innocence is no excuse.

​@@jkausti6737hey large scale scifi wars fought with lower troop counts than the major players in ww2 is a staple of sci-fi. See also the Clone army in star wars

​​@@vonfaustien3957I've always chalked that up to how much more important a naval presence is. Orbital control gives you assured destructive capability, so ground battles will only ever really be fought to protect population centers against demoralization attacks and when the naval battle is at an absolute standstill and surface control may allow some sort of counter-orbital advantage. And since ships don't need thousands or millions of troops to man and all you need is one more ship than the other guy, troop counts end up drastically lower. My best example for this is the Dominion War in DS9.

@@noabsolutelynot3660 ships do need thousands of crew. The Bismark and other battleships had around 2000 men. A modren American super carrier is 4k. Now Trek and some other settings can argue AI, advanced computers and automation keep numbers down. But other setting particularly in settings like 40k or Dune or say the foundation where Robots and AI are banned or lost tech can't do that and that big ass mile long warships going to take manpower that makes a modren warships crew compliment look tiny.

Had it been the cult mechinicum world we be fighting with some tech bois and maybe hear astartes rumor sighting

Dents think the grim derp memes are true & don't think beyond anything else materials for that tank is hard enough to come by, that's why I don't really care what some mouth breather spewing the same memes day in day out.

as an ork player ihave to say it's not Armageddon it's ARMAGITZON!

Exterminatus is at the discretion of the inquisitor in charge of an operation, so Grendyl probably thinks that with what resources he has available he can put a cork in the heresy. It does seem very strange though because rooting up and clearing out the heretics in a hive city is like trying to hold back a wave of water by uppercutting it. Beyond just killing them all someome has to clean up the districts of the bodies, the chaos writing everywhere and the chaos objects. And who knows how many nooms and crannies there are where they could be hiding. On top of that just trying to stop heresy from being too widely known isn't happening because of how many people are involved and how the amoebian 6th are so public about their cause, along with historically being a reputable regiment . Like, a MASSIVE number of people have had their lives taken or disrupted by them so there's no way you could kill everyone who knows or keep it quiet, at least in the lower and mid levels like throneside, but even closer to the top like in the hourglass mission area there's heretic presence. Given how important things like metalfab 36 are I'd be surprised if there aren't at least some upper class folk who don't know what's happening by virtue of disruption of goods processing to export. I kinda agree with the one wyrmwood agent doing the prologue journals, that this is kind of too late to really shut down because had help been able to arrive sooner they could've nipped this in the bud before it got out of hand. It's like that one exterminatus cutscene says (paraphrasing): you can cut the limbs off the tree but the roots will still be there. I don't think exterminatus is an option though unless shit gets even worse simply because of the resources Atoma cranks out. Plus it would make keeping quiet about the darktide harder to all the other planets in the moebian domain if it got to the point where it becomes public knowledge Atoma gets razed because the darktide is nurgle's followers

but, at the same time, having in mind how Warhammer lore actually is, would it be wrong to think that the highest difficulties are what is really happening? places full of specialists, enormous almost infinite hordes of enemies, daemons, Nurgle beasts, etc. I'm surprised a place so important as it is portrayed to be still doesn't have a full rescue operation with SMs and all of that

​@@v4n1ll4space marines are rather rare most of the time the Guard and Inquisition handle chaos cults

the amount of special enemies probably isnt that high (besides moebian 6th units), but i think the amount of poxwalkers is definitely whats happening, given the sheer population of hive cities@@v4n1ll4

One of the rejects dialogue teased the upper hive levels, so there might be something coming that way

but, then again, destroying a whole ass planet doesn't seem to be not even a little difficult to do lol, the church is craaaazy

@@v4n1ll4destroying a planet is easy, but that planet is gone forever so not something you’d want to do.

Inquisitor Darkhammer would like to have a word

@ianchimp and Darkhammer is not well loved by many in the Inquisition because of this and the Space Wolves threaten to straight up kill him if he went exterminatus in the first Armageddon war. Heck he is declared Excommunicate Traitoris by his rival Valeria and is being hunted by her with no other Inquisitor being interested in helping him or rescinding the Excommunicate Traitoris. Another Inquisitor who was denounced and being kicked out of the Inquisition for the unjustifiable extreme use of Exterminatus was Kryptmann who was declared Carta Extremis. Just to show that the Imperium in general are against the Offhanded use of Exterminatus, and that meme aside those that do do exterminatus in large numbers are few and far in between

Tell that to Kryptman!

Definitely started in the lower hive, but looks as though it has spread to the mid-upper hive - at least if Throneside is any indication. Also, since there seems to be traitors among the Atoman noble houses - there is definitely some drama cooking in the upper hive as well

It is teased multiple times in dialogues that someone in the upper hive is helping the chaos cultists, especially in the Archivum Sycorax mission where I think Zola explicitly mentions access to the Archivum could only have been obtained by someone from the upper hive. Maybe in two years the narrative gets to that point lol

@@dystopianchimp IMO at the point it is now. All of the Hive is pretty much being assaulted BUT they are managing the issue enough to squeeze out equipment from the facotries and are controlling it to certain areas. But the Hive Itself is pretty much lost cause due to groups of abnormally competent penal warband lol Also there Must be something important. There are literal Demons being summoned, it's not just bad is downright horrid but there is *Something* that they want first

Those actions are perfect for highly disposable rejects, but not valuable forces

In theory the Imperium should easily have the resources to just evacuate all the key infrastructure on Atoma Prime, then relocate it to a place not currently at war. Just pick up the hive and move it someplace else. Maybe it'll take 20 years to get it all running again.

@@genericscout5408Or the Imperium could spend a decade rooting out all of the chaos corruption and traitors and have everything restored within 5 years, leaving to a 5 year head start minimum, assuming that it takes even that long to clear out Atoma.

@@somewhereelse1235 The Imperium is anything but consistent.

@@genericscout5408 They're fairly consistent on engaging in long and bloody ground campaigns rather than doing anything else, even if the other solution would save more on resources.

I think if there is death guard on atoma then the situation is serious enough to send some space marines. Would love to play as space marine in this game though.

The elites of the planet wouldn't be considered important enough themselves to halt exterminatus if it was considered necessary. The wider Imperium only cares about the resources a planet can provide, the local elites are only valuable in that they keep the planet productive and the tithes flowing. Even planetary governors are still near the bottom of the Imperial hierarchy

Thanks mate ♥I'll keep an eye out for them on the Mourningstar, especially Thud - he sounds like gentleman

Also they have no way to communicate due to Warp interference

-types on computer- Machine spirit says nooo...

Indeed. Bad writing probably.

Probably because most of the fighting is in small rooms and core doors and the mobians don't have the resources to keep them moving and shooting

They do use them, just not against us (yet, possible assassination style mission in the future). There sometimes are tanks where our friendlies of the moebian 21st are holding position. And there is also a heretic one in the elevator heist mission

Yeah this is an interesting one - I think Morrow does mention this in-mission when you find an abandoned Leman Russ, explaining that the tight and narrow spaces where the real fighting is going on just doesn't allow for tank support so they are de-prioritised and are instead used as defences

I have a feeling whatever is going on in the "sister city" that everyone in-game refuses to talk about may be the answer to that plot hole.

They can't communicate with outside systems due to warp interference

There aren’t anywhere near enough Grey Knights for them to call them in every time a daemonhost turns up.

Problem is are those really true deamonhosts? You've got four rejects who can down them when a true deamonhost should tear them to shreds. (I know that's gameplay and story segregation.)

Daemonhosts vary widely in power, depending on the power of the daemon and the specifics of the binding ritual. The more thoroughly you bind the daemon, the less power it has (but the easier it is to control).

Partially, the problem is simply not beyond recover and it's chaos related. An uprising or a xenos attack you can leave it to the militarum, but chaos they always have to take seriously, like Vraks was taken seriously only after traitors presence was confirmed on the planet

Yes this one right here Inquisitor

Battlefleet gothic armada 2 chaos dlc maybe?

Why would they send in Astartes when there is Astra Militarum and Inquisition there holding backthe Darktide? Despite what it looks like, the Astra Militarum are extremely capable soldiers. Astartes are only really used to deal with sufficient threats like Tyrranids and Chaos Space Marines and even then its up to the chapter Grand Master. The fact that strike teams of Convicts are able to pull off hit and run missions proves that Astartes would be overkill and werent necessary in the first place. If anything, the Death Korps would be sent in first before the Astartes even bothered.

that's some ancient necron forbidden knowledge right there for sure

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its the poke rap, seriously, im not joking. you can clearly hear pidgy and rattacate

Hard to say what is the cut for enough forces. There are literal beasts of nurgle and daemon hosts so gay knights at least?

@@Ironbattlemaceregular space marines could take care of those tbh

@@Ironbattlemace the daemon hosts are not just lesser, they are extremely lesser if 4 rejects can take them out. As for the Beasts of Nurgle...those are small ones. A proper Beast of Nurgle is twice the height of a Space Marine and has a lot more everything. Only two cities show corruption on the planet. The one we are dealing with that obviously is still half functional. The sister city they won't talk about but is hinted at also being a problem. Some talk mentions it isn't as bad, others say it is worse. Grendyl does have the Hive surrounded however and anyone trying to leave is being killed. So the corruption is contained and we are just dealing with it.

Haha thanks mate glad to hear it ❤️

If four crackheads can handle it then there's no reason to send the marine.

The chaos taint is only in two hive cities, and on top of that is relatively contained even with the limited firces the Imperials have at their disposal. Combine that with anyone who leaves a tainted hive getting killed and its only something that would require a few regiments of actual imperial guard reinforcement to properly deal with.

@@shadowwarrior1003 True but it just strikes me as odd we don't see more Imperial navy around the world. Could just be a mistake on the dev's part or a clue something may be very wrong. Hopefully it is just the two cities which can be purged or contained enough to keep the factories going as it is now.

@@taliawtf6944 most likely a warp storm, seeing as the great rift seems to have recently torn the galaxy asunder it's not too unlikely

Thanks mate, very glad to hear it

They would send Death Korps before Astartes. You're also neglecting thee fact that small strike teams of convicts are quelling thousands of infected people and heretics. The Darktide is a very small problem on Atoma Prime and is lucky to even warrant the importance of Gredyll. They also have no communication outside of the system currently due to Warp interference which is why they're resorting to recruiting convicts. There just isnt enough importance to warrant anything more than what is currently deployed

The great rift and imperium being bisected by the warp is what's occupying 90+% of all space marines.

"Those guys are expensive! So they are sending you in first!"

Likely because in the grand scheme of things - there are even more important conflicts raging across the Imperium. The assignment of an Inquisitor with his retinue, a Rogue Trader and a guard regiment is still somewhat significant

Nah. Industrial planets have high strategic value. It has to be well and truly fucked before they'll blow the planet up. Like "Even the Grey Knights can't exorcise the daemons" kind of fucked.

Well tbf there is a full regiment of Guard deployed (the Moebian 21st), penal units as you say and an Inquisitor’s warband (with Rogue Trader support) also in play Despite their numbers, the Admonition have proven themselves somewhat skilled in warp use (the spread and possible creation of the plague, abominations, daemonhosts and daemon infestations) and also have the support of the Moebian 6th regiment, (the most experienced and battle hardened regiment in the sector). And all this is just what we know is going down in Tertium - there are two other hive cities which (if we are to go off in-game dialogue) seem to have even more dire problems going on. It seems very touch-and-go and in all likelihood the situation on Atoma Prime is far worse than we are even aware of (rumours of disaster in the sister city and rumours of powerful entities deep in the lower hives) Lastly, the question should be asked - who tf is guarding the Fringes of the Moebian Domain against the Darktide now that the 6th has turned traitor? Thats a lot of mysterious xenos and chaos forces that are being left unchecked