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@@honu_of_Tarlach Remove the banlist on each old deck to make it as strong as its prime time, make 2 AI duel against each other best of 9 not 3, the best is the one doing the best in its prime form Ishizu has the highest probability on paper but we need them in practical, Artifact scythe in HAT format can make it knightmare for Ishizu to win
@@edgardiaz690 yeah there was a point in time when decks were playing generic synchros and generic xyz like stardust and utopia at the same time just because there was nothing else to play and it was really cute there was another point in time when this was true. like, last year i think. lol. so like 10 years between stardust/utopia and baronne/zeus or ty-phon or some shit iirc
Another way to look at it is longevity. Decks like Mermail, Fire Fist, and Tri Brigade were on the edge of meta relevance for years after their prime, which is very impressive. In terms of raw power though Tear takes it home
I mean for longevity it's sky strikers. TOSS alone is almost a year. Then it's always between rouge and tier 3 until now and after the banlist some people say it's could be around the level of post banlist purrley.
It’s easily burning abyss if we’re talking longevity, the most recent top that mattered was an Australian national in 2020, BA came out in 2014, that’s SIX YEARS
this is definitely not true, a lot of ba tops were pkfire for sure, but ba has had other variants that have topped much more recent than pkfire, like danger BA, block dragon BA and a pure sekka's light version, the deck was helped by phantom nights but was never the reason it was good for over half a decade supposed to be a reply to @ArchfiendJ
@@maxmucci3170the Problem still IS that this ftks are so fcking consistent that handtraps doesnt Help If you dont have 3 in starting hand. I remember a Match against rescue Cat ftk, in the Tournament WE Play with pre Errata cards, where i got Ash and droll and couldnt Stop him
@@NNRedemption it's not that different from an unbreakable board of negates. "Oh but blowouts" yeah that can still get negated by any non-monster or even monsters if it's not No More. I see your point btw. Also Pre-errata format is completely different (ergo: more degen) than Unlimited.
If I'm not mistaken Zoodiac had a tournament where 100% of players were using Zoodiac (with variants like Kaiju Zoodiac but all Zoodiac at the end of the day)
Kind of but some of those decks would literally just be like 3 rat 1 whiptail 3 barrage. It's like saying every deck was sky striker when people were splashing engages.
@@TwoToneShoes But you still have to run the Zoodiac XYZ so I think you could count it more. Specially because they still play like Zoodiac Unlike Sky Engine which barely played like Pure Sky Striker
@@nathanwaterser8218 You still had to run Kagari, too. The Zoo engine had a lot more ED requirements but it's the same general premise. Zoodiac is amazingly splashable but wasn't tier 0 as a solo strategy like Spyral or Pepe.
@@TwoToneShoessure but that wasn’t really happening even when it saw the most play it wasn’t a core part of the deck usually just a way to summon 2 mons for mermaid with no normal and even then didn’t have nearly 100% representation. That being said I do think striker deserves a spot in the conversation by having the most ycs wins/tops and the longevity it has but kinda falls short in never being a tier 0 deck. Zoo on the other hand 100% was tier 0 and then also had another format years later where it was once again the best deck
Pepe literally took 30 out of the top 32 spots in the atlanta ycs and had a emergency ban list like a week after release which hit 90% of the engine so pepe definitely needs to be on the list also full power Adamancipator
@@traplover6357 There were plenty of online tournaments, LCS, some Remote Duel Extravaganzas and similar. Some of these tournaments were played by highest caliber of players as well, and even had 1000 participants. I wouldn't call them as prestigious as YCS, but they some seem bigger than Regionals. Apart from earliest small tournaments, Adamancipator was always more-less equal to Eldlich and when Dragon Link got new support they had even less representations. Also not a single LCS won is pretty crazy. That might have been the best deck, but it was nowhere near tier 0 status. While the deck could afford a hand-trap and/or a board breaker here and there and had a good native going 2nd options it was often not enough to stop other decks which could make equally crazy boards with Halq of their own. Even if it was a better deck than Eldlich, DLink and especially Infernobleknights it could always lose to them as well so it is nowhere near being the most dominant deck of all time. As for being the strongest deck of all time, most newer deck would have no issue with it and IshTear obliterates it.
Gladiator Beast winning 13 Straight Events Zoodiac being able to go in a tribrage from Boar and still can go full zoo for no normal summon would be stupid.
I give my vote to the first incarnation of Chaos decks. If you have to make a ban list specifically to get rid of two specific cards, then that means those cards are the GOAT. Sure, they're both obsolete NOW, but anyone who knows the game knows how absolutely evil Chaos Emperor Dragon and Yata Garasou were in their heyday.
I was an "old school" player, and its hard to imagine anything modern really upheaving the game in the same way Chaos did. Imagine a tcg meta where *every single viable deck* ran the same core. The chaos core was just too good if you could justify having even 1 light and 1 dark monster in your deck you ran it.
@@FormerRulingI won a regional back in the early 2000's. I was the first person in my region to win undefeated after goat control was banned. I remember that, and when Blackwing, teledad, and lightsworn were the big 3, Yugioh was at it's peak. Id give anything to go back.
As a person who started playing yugioh when teledad was new and relevant. I played it. I can truly confirm that it was top deck, cheese to victory. Literally, a person could run tele monarch, and still wreck the other competitive decks consistently. Then the black wings came out, and it was even faster and more consistent.
@@thecomradewarda in Yugioh, if a game lasts more than 3 turns, something went wrong or your deck sucks, It's unfortunately true about the card game nowadays where you can play 50 cards in 1 turn
@@lordpepper6932 that just wrong and also like I’m on master duel in diamond and I use sword soul and have had 20 turn duels with other competitive deck and have one many of them .
@thecomradewarda your just lying to yourself, this game hasn't been fun to play for years, Turns take 20 real life minutes PER TURN and unless you play master dual you gotta constantly shuffle, (also btw im also Diamond in Master dual, it's fucking easy, and I play fucking Amazons) If a game goes past turn 5 it means someone got negate fucked and noone can do anything and then your on Draw
FR Dragon Rulers were making modern-style boards of 5 boss monsters every turn with almost perfect consistency. Like actually much more consistent at making full boards than most modern decks due to the amount of negation/counter tools you can brick on in modern decks. It just lacks the counterplays and negation of modern play. The only reason it wasn't a giga tier 0 format was because Spellbooks were already busted, and had a card that read "choose 5 cards in your deck, draw them for free" to make them better. And even then, plus the fact they were basically a counter-dragon ruler deck, they were still worse. Dragon Rulers were TURBOBUSTED.
There wasn't many official tournaments back then so you can't find statistics on it, but pre ban list aka traditional format chaos decks with both chaos emperor dragon and BLS with witch and sangan with yata garasu, full pot of green, graceful charity, painful choice, mirage of nightmare, harpies feather duster ect deck was hands down the best deck ever in yugioh. If you didn't play chaos, you could not compete. Period. And it ruled formats for years to come after the fact of the ban list as well in watered down versions. That is the reason why some cards have yet to ever become unbanned since the start of the banlist.
Exactly no other deck on this list was near its power level it unfortunately came out at a time where there were no events taking place and got quickly slapped by the ban list
Pepe was close to being included in this list. but between time constraints of youtube shorts and pepe's win percentages just being a little lower, forced it out of the video.
@@MonkeyFightTCG you mean taking 30 out 32 spots at a ycs wasn’t enough to make the list? also having a emergency ban list a week after release hitting every card in the deck?… i guess taking 93% of the meta isn’t enough
@@fabrizioorpianesi6670Thete have been two emergency ban lists prior to PePe's takeover. One was to ban Cyber Stein in December 2006 shortly after a Cyber Stein OTK handily won a Shonen Jump Championship. Another was to kill Dark Armed Dragon Return decks in May 2008 (the strongest, most overpowered deck at that time) by banning Dimension Fusion, limiting Return from the Different Dimension, and semi-limiting Allure of Darkness. This irked some players as DAD was still unlimited.
@@MonkeyFightTCGwrong. The First emergency bannlist was in 2008 we're WE lost Dimension Fusion. And WE Had an unofficial bannlist were makyura came to US and was banned without a bannlist
I know Tidal was in the video but I’m surprised Dragon Rulers didn’t get a mention. Has any other archetype had all of its members totally banned at one point? Also back in the day Rank 7 was ridiculous and got way too much support.
The best deck in history is what ever deck yugi has at the time. Some say it has every card known to man and he just draws the cards he needs to win every time
I think HAT format was the peak of yu gi oh because simply there was a massive diversity of what you can play, you can play fusion xyz synchro, also the meta deck of that format was named HAT (handtraps artifact traptrix) which was a good deck buy if you played skillfully enough with decks like Constellar Geargia or any other deck you can win with skills, probably the best format in my opinion, this video didn't show that period when HAT format was available due to the diversity of what players choose
I think if zoodiac got completely unrestricted again and zeus came off ban they would be overwhelming even now. Zoodiac synergy with tri-brigade opens up even more shenanigans.
Tbh if dragon rulers were at full power today with the modern cards it be a scary deck but tbh I think spyral was a very scary deck back then along with zoo
"best" is subjective. spiral required little to no improv, and teledad was dominant because of powercreep over other cards. and although tearlaments was also something that powercrept, it still required insane amounts of skill to pilot in mirror matches. tear always managed to tell you who was a greater player and a lesser player based on who was winning because the deck was 100% universally the same AND was hard to pilot.
Old school chaos will always be my favorite with Yata lock and delinquent duo forceful sentry and confiscation crushing decks. I also maintain that if this was pre errata those cards in the chaos deck still beat any modern deck
The best answer is just any full powered Pre-errata deck that either did everything, or else took full control of the game with only a handful of boss monsters at the end of their summon chain.
OG Red-Eyes Fusion Turbo. Never failed me. Surprised its still consistent. So back in like what 2004. It was mostly three ofs but your targets were tweo of the easiest fusion monsters to summon outside of the strongest fusion B.U.D. -- Meteor B. Dragon and B. Skull Dragon complete with a hand ful of walls and traps and lets say a few Equip spells for the other beat stick monsters we had in there.
The way I would determine strongest decks is how good they can handle other decks. spyrals was tier 0 but that was because mr4 crippled all meta decks whilst spryals managed to take advantage of their link monster. also at that time any deck with triple grinder golem and triple firewall dragon would have been meta and spryals could include this aswell. they wouldn't be able to compete that well against decks from other eras. Pepe and zoodiacs are better at dealing with decks of other eras like orcust or salamangreat or Adamancipators
Nekroz comes to mind, that deck is still probably one of the most consistent decks ever created, and it took years for some of the main engine to get unbanned, and was constantly winning. Only reason why it's not being played is because Djinn lock is still banned after 9 years... The deck totally dominated anything it went against.
@@nnnp634 I haven't played recently and I never imagined the game would speed up enough for dragon lords to be balanced, severe PTSD from their bullshit back in Xyz era and I can't even fathom the bullshit they can do now
I personally would say zoodic they may not have had the highest percentage of play when they were teir 0 but the fact they did make it to tier 0 is already a strong indicator, but unlike other tier 0 decks, and the reason I say their the strongest in history of yugioh, is even after they were gutted by the ban list they were able to come back as a tier 1 deck, as far as my knowledge that is something no other tier 0 deck has ever been able to do that
TeleDad was the breakingpoint of YGO as we used to know it and the start of the newschool. Depending on who you ask, it was either a revolution or straight up the death of the game.
Full power exodia pre errata, it’s a 100% Ftk and the only real out is going first. It was the cause of a legit one deck format and caused major overhauls to the game which layed the foundations of modern play.
Something else that might be important to consider is how insulated the deck is to banlist hits. How likely is the deck to be identified as a problem deck such that it immediately gets hit? How ingrained are the deck's engines with the rest of the meta such that hitting key cards in it would hurt adjacent decks? If it does get utterly reamed by the banlist, can the deck pivot its strategy and still remain competitive? Gut instinct is telling me that with this in mind, it would be Dragon Rulers, because they were just SO versatile that the only way to actually limit their power was to outright ban them all. TeleDAD might also go into this since a lot of its key pieces could be shuffled around if they got hit and none of the individual ones seemed so broken to deserve a ban getting things like the Extra Deck's options hit would hurt the opponents to TeleDAD as much as they hurt TeleDAD, and DAD even at 1 was strong.
Dark armed dragon a card so famous IRL that once they showed it in the anime the money nerds used its gx example of *this card is so rare people would only see it once in a lifetime* to guess that dad and any other future "super strong card or extra deck card" WOULD COST AS MUCH AS A HOUSE considering gx made it seem as if it was close to blue eyes rare.
i feel as if it would be zoo. the deck was an absolutely cracked deck as either pure or an engine. absolutely could out resource anything as the ways to out it spent more than they put in and it always have followup. plus it's sheer resilience to the banlist till spyral happened was amazing. ishzu tear was good from a pure power perspective but it dies to ways that the decks that could play the outs didn't care because it didn't hinder them and in some cases even helped them make plays as it also helped them.
Adamancipator is arguably the strongest deck of all time but was unfortunately released during a time where there weren’t any active events going and got hit pretty hard by the ban list before events started up again.
@@leonlk it prevents your opponent from playing at all its negate after negate, their first normal summon is a negate, it’s hand trap proof and can recover from any board wipe and any amount of disruption. Tear does nothing to adamancipator except help them
They did nothing in the OCG so one Maxx C obliterates them. Even without that, LCS were probably the biggest tournament we had, and Rocks had grand total of 0 victories. It is arguably the best youtube deck of all time, but no where near the best deck of all time
@@nnnp634 that’s factually incorrect. They completely dominated remote duels the only other viable deck in the format was synchro eldlich at a distant second. And ocg has zero relevance on tcg, maxx alone is responsible for that not to mention their vastly different card pool.
Depends. If it was a huge tournament with every meta relevant deck, it would either be Tear, Kashtira, or Floowandereeze in their primes. Kash and Floo because they have incredible power against other decks, and the macro cosmos would be a huge problem, and they have an amazing game against Tearlaments.
Everyone that I taught playing this game always make a shortcut by asking what's the best deck ever? Well, this game is a complex rock-paper-scissors, if you keep winning with scissors, someone are bound to show up with rocks and the cycle just keep repeating with new releases, so there's never an exact right answer to it .__.
Except when the deck is a gun in rock-paper-scissors, none of those will be able to beat the gun without some insane luck. The gun is tearlaments ishizu.
@@aaronlopes4127 - La Jinn the mystical genie of the lamp was the strongest lvl 4 monster and was the staple of every deck until effect monsters became a staple - Dragon rulers were overpowered and ramming everyone until Konami limit them - Chaos emperor dragon and Yatagarasu combo was a tier 0 deck until ban hammer came along - Neo Spacian Aqua dolphin was useless until handtrap become a thing - Adventurer was a token-based solid deck until someone figured out Token Collector can wipe it out And I can go on with it, you kinda missed my point there, if a card or deck gets too powerful Konami is going to either print something to counter them eventually or banning them or limiting them in the future to balance the game out, or someone is going to come up with a mix n match combo that has multiple archetypes in it that combos well to bring it down, things never stay the same forever in this game
@@nuraqilasidek-qk7zp at this point in time, tear is the strongest deck of all time, no amount of tinkering with the existing cards will change that, new releases, yes, current existings cards, no.
I would also give a mention to Dragon Link. They used a bunch of strategies to follow through with a combo that leads to an end board of powerful monsters. On Master Duel, I have seen this weird Rock monster deck that is kind of like it but without linking too much. Also E Heros are annoying lol if you can't stop the Vision heroes, its over.
Grave keepers are a solid deck. They won’t give them anymore support because it’s so strong, but you give decks like blue eyes bitch dragon, galaxy eyes, and Kashtira support.
"creating a format where you either went first, or didn't play the game." Me, as a non ygo player getting this short in his feed: isn't this ygo in general?
Dragon rulers, I had just gotten back into yugioh right before they dropped and was just learning synchro and xyz, and when that deck dropped you couldn't escape it on duel network. I never once beat it and seeing the engine work for the first time fried my brain. That deck was broken.
Tearlaments Ishizu is by far the best deck. If you play it vs Spyral do you have so many hand traps to disrupt your opponent. Just by the simple fact that you have 9-12 Bystials, 3 Havnis, 3 Kelbek and 3 Orange Light. Also 3 Maxx C by Ocg standard. This could make it hard for Spyral to do a full combo
I mean CED was the first banned monster for a reason edit:Sangan and Witch of the Black Forest was a few weeks before and CED was tied with yata but STILL CED was a menace
Except it’s not. Because the turn outs at events at the time was nearly 50/50 dragon ruler and spell book at every event. Top 64 at nats that year was literally 32 dragon and 32 spell book lol.
Thats definitly up there especially if we consider the ocg which i didnt for this video. It's funny beacuse in cross banlist events or in no banlist events it doesn't perform super well. Between droll and lock bird and decks that can play on either turn, the deck can just get blown out. Somehow we've powercreept the game that hard.
@MonkeyFightTCG oh yeah I definitely agree handtraps have really ramped the power level. There's just no other deck that I'm aware of that required an emergency erratum since
Tournament topcuts don't exactly pinpoint if a particular deck is the best (of all time). It's difficult to determine which (full power) decks are the GOAT. I would choose between either Peformapal (Emergency ban) or Full power Zoodiac. It's honestly a coin flip with (depending factors).
Nah, I’ve always defaulted to Dragon Rulers. Dragon rulers as an engine are so powerful that even to this day, Konami has only let 2 of them go from banned to 1. Everything from teledad outside of malicious is power crept, and even other tier 0 decks like pepe, goat, or zoodiacs all have pieces slowly coming off the banlist. But dragon rulers? Hell no. Them with baby dragons and super rejuvenation with all these new cards out, they’d be more powerful now than they were back then
