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What is Theosis? | Greek Orthodoxy 101 

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Father Maggos explores the Orthodox concept of theosis and/or deification.
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@carmelitabiffle5572
@carmelitabiffle5572 Год назад
Excellent explaining. I feel Greek Orthodoxy has the right answers about how we are to relate to God.
@kaykay865
@kaykay865 10 месяцев назад
Orthodoxy is not a nation
@jedimasterham2
@jedimasterham2 6 месяцев назад
In scripture, "gods" means magistrate or ruler. It does NOT mean one can become God, or a demi-god. Orthodox is a satanic cult, and it perverts God's word to make people think they can become God.
@EricBryant
@EricBryant 2 года назад
I really feel like Theosis is roughly the same concept as sanctification. It's just that deification of the flesh, soul, and spirit is the *process* or *mechanism* by which sanctification happens. 2 Peter 1:4 "Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires."
@prayunceasingly2029
@prayunceasingly2029 2 года назад
Apparently it's also very closely connected with grace as well!
@beckyyoussef2669
@beckyyoussef2669 Год назад
@Nikos Antikythera But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Matthew 23:8‭-‬9 KJV
@Castellano87
@Castellano87 Год назад
@@beckyyoussef2669 1 Cor 4:15 St. Paul says, “For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel”
@guspapadopoulos
@guspapadopoulos Год назад
Thank you Father for making it especially clear to many Protestants who totally are mislead with the whole dogma of essence and energy. Saint Gregory of Palmas also gives a great understanding of essence/energy along with another issue which those who are not Orthodox and that is Heasychast.
@CuriousGospelofMark
@CuriousGospelofMark 5 месяцев назад
Thank you for the enlightenment.
@Wholly_Fool
@Wholly_Fool 6 месяцев назад
I finally found a word for what has been happening to me. The protestants around me didnt understand. Now they seem to be opening their mind, because they can't explain why such strange insights enter into my mind about them and their lives. They even started to suspect I was a sorcerer. I thought I was just following the teachings of Christ.
@johnwheeler4791
@johnwheeler4791 Год назад
Succinct and excellent introduction to the basic concept of Theosis. Nice to find these presentations, thank you.
@jedimasterham2
@jedimasterham2 6 месяцев назад
In scripture, "gods" means magistrate or ruler. It does NOT mean one can become God, or a demi-god. Orthodox is a satanic cult, and it perverts God's word to make people think they can become God.
@JH_Phillips
@JH_Phillips 2 года назад
Thanks for this course.
@mahngehnjeshu380
@mahngehnjeshu380 9 месяцев назад
Thank u so much for that clarification, I wish I have the opportunity to learn more from ur institution
@Crabbypino
@Crabbypino 2 года назад
Thanks for this post
@MrGb1965
@MrGb1965 7 месяцев назад
Thank you for the helpful post. One question, please. What is meant by the term “Theon geneste”, attributed, I believe to St. Athanathius? Thanks again.
@annunciationorthodox
@annunciationorthodox 7 месяцев назад
Father will be addressing this question in tonight's Orthodoxy Questions Answered live show!
@Awakeningspirit20
@Awakeningspirit20 24 дня назад
I love how the Greeks spent centuries trying to figure out how to become gods and then St. Paul came around like "lemme show ya how to do that!" Greek logic combined with God's truth has created something amazing here. It's a shame that India never came around in the same way, India is like a parallel civilization to Greece and also discovered how the cosmos worked, but they stayed pagan. An Orthodox India would be the most cosmically-awakened civilization on earth.
@k9leadstheway531
@k9leadstheway531 8 месяцев назад
So whats the difference between theosis and sanctification? Protestants would say sanctification is the holy spirit conforming and making one more in the likeness of the Son?
@annunciationorthodox
@annunciationorthodox 8 месяцев назад
Father Maggos will be answering this question in this Thursday night's episode of Orthodoxy Questions Answered! Thank you!
@k9leadstheway531
@k9leadstheway531 8 месяцев назад
​@@annunciationorthodoxI will be watching. Thanks!
@GabeGX
@GabeGX 4 месяца назад
Yeah, I'm an evangelical trying to learn more about Orthodoxy. I'm looking forward to learning more details, but as a general concept "Theosis" seems to be synonymous with what we refer to as "our walk with Christ" or sanctification.
@stressaccount7664
@stressaccount7664 8 месяцев назад
I find it interesting that there is a new interest in Orthodox Christianity in the west. What I've gathered is it has maintained the traditional lineage of Christianity. Theosis seems to be a ground for living as a Christian in the world that was not present for me growing up in the Pentecostal denomination. My reading of Seraphim Rose's book on nihilism has pushed me further in this direction. However I live on a little island on the west coast of Canada and wonder if there is any church here let alone orthodox near by.
@Liminalplace1
@Liminalplace1 Месяц назад
Similar to many Protestants ..speaking truth from the wrong scriptures . None of those scriptures quoted meant that in their original context but that doesn't mean it is not taught elsewhere.
@nadzach
@nadzach Год назад
Those to whom the word of God came? Ive been waiting many years for anyone who could understand what it means to know "the beginning of the response of God," i hope im spelling this right, but Solomon wrote ענה and LXX translates this "the beginning of the response." One day i asked God what was the quickening in the gospel of John. I had been following the way of life: the quickening of the heart is salvation through forgiveness because God still loves us in spite of our sin. Thats our first stepp into the outer court. He makes the sacrifice of putting us before even his own son to open the way for us μαρκ מערה (maybe i spelled it wrong, but its there in the passage on the way of life)--we are "established" in his kingdom? And μετ'θεου מאת is the Father with me. את = AΨ. I have accepted the will of the Father as my will. So that i can say, "i am the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus." I was so excited that day, for my soul was healed and quickened, enabling me to live more righteously. And then the quickening of the mind--לוק, the latter part? I was following the pathway from grace to grace--making my way toward the mercy seat. Because of the one thing God wants of us. "Seek my face." And he drew me with cords of love. Jesus is the face of God. He is seated, now, on the mercy seat as in the πρωτον psalm. And he draws the ελεκτον
@soniarizkallah5666
@soniarizkallah5666 2 месяца назад
What does it mean commune with God.?
@annunciationorthodox
@annunciationorthodox 2 месяца назад
Father Maggos will be answering your question in tonight's live Orthodoxy Questions Answered!
@parkermize
@parkermize 2 года назад
Wasn't He referencing His authority to judge the fallen angels???
@beckyyoussef2669
@beckyyoussef2669 Год назад
Yes He is - they don't take the Bible literally. They tend to allegorically interpret which is why they have weird doctrines like this
@Tornadospeed10
@Tornadospeed10 Год назад
@@beckyyoussef2669 if you take everything the Bible says at face value and completely literally you’re failing to interpret the Bible correctly…. Does it not say “God is not man” at many points in the Bible? So by your logic, because everything in the Bible is completely literal, Jesus wasn’t God. It’s just foolish to think everything was completely literal. Figurative language plays a huge part and a lot of what Jesus says required a deeper thought and context to interpret. It’s also just naive to say 1500-2000 years after Christ is when we suddenly started to become Christians in the correct way
@pavlekovacevic1676
@pavlekovacevic1676 8 месяцев назад
​@@beckyyoussef2669 says protestant XD
@JaakkoJohannes
@JaakkoJohannes 6 месяцев назад
@@beckyyoussef2669If you take everything in the bible literally, then you have to believe we will sacrifice animals again in a temple in the future. If you believe this then christ died for nothing.
@gobucs3146
@gobucs3146 Год назад
Theosis can only be explained by someone who has achieved it, it isn’t academic. You can’t explain it academically. Read writings of St Joseph the Hesychast, St Paisios, St Porphyrios, the Elder Ephraim, etc.
@Bibleguy89-uu3nr
@Bibleguy89-uu3nr 3 месяца назад
Ooof. I like the idea of theosis but that's a bad set of passages to go to. I'd suggest checking out Heiser on that.
@marvinl9646
@marvinl9646 3 месяца назад
How is theosis different from the continual process of sanctification? I’m speaking from a Protestant perspective.
@annunciationorthodox
@annunciationorthodox 3 месяца назад
Father Angelo will be answering your question in tonight's Orthodoxy Questions Answered live show.
@Papasquatch73
@Papasquatch73 9 месяцев назад
that’s interesting. I interpret the words in Psalm 82 and John 10 as referring to the divine counsel. Michael Heiser has done quite a bit of work in this area.
@chriswright2483
@chriswright2483 7 месяцев назад
Agreed
@thenarrowdoor7
@thenarrowdoor7 Год назад
we are born from adam and we must reborn with christ
@McCarthy1776
@McCarthy1776 4 месяца назад
I hear other orthodox scholars saying the opposite. What youre saying is no different than protestant religions.
@jesusloveyou3976
@jesusloveyou3976 2 месяца назад
What are you even saying? Absolutely no Orthodox scholars say anything opposite to theosis.
@cherokeejack3502
@cherokeejack3502 Год назад
So, similar to sanctification? Man's will is not "free" it is a fallen nature, stained by sin.
@cabellero1120
@cabellero1120 17 часов назад
Christian life without Theosis is arbitrary. If you place an iron rod in a furnace, it does not become the fire, rather, it takes on properties of the fire. We are to become by grace, What He is by nature. Does it not say in Scripture, We are to be partakers of the Divine nature.. We are not just saved from Something We are saved for Someone! ☦️🙏
@robinmiller871
@robinmiller871 4 месяца назад
I always felt my divine nature from an early age. That as children of GOD, our path was to God hood. Not as GOD but as God's to rule by GODS side. It seems that much is lost in translation. The ambiguity of certain words and thier definitions, confuse many if us. Often, it seems we are speaking of the same thing but with different words/perspectives.
@grabeless1656
@grabeless1656 2 года назад
Me First time I fall upon the term "theosis" :" whaaat? Where did all humility talk go? Damm I got clickbaited by a heretical site." Its the craziest thing I have red about orthodoxy
@memymo1310
@memymo1310 2 года назад
Becoming like God is the point. We are his icons on earth. Nothing crazy about it. We are just reclaiming our proper place and our original character giving back to us by Christ. We are little "g" gods...created to rein under God, over creation. Even in the grace of humility we image God. Isn't the Trinity MOST humble???
@marcus8710
@marcus8710 Год назад
I've been listening to Michael Heiser on the plural small-g 'gods', creations of God, lower than Christ, which seems the same language used for Saints by Paul.
@tyowongndeso
@tyowongndeso Год назад
so it's basically that we have to become christ like, more like christ.
@solomonsvehla7105
@solomonsvehla7105 Год назад
Theosis is divinization-of gods in God.
@kassandra1071
@kassandra1071 5 месяцев назад
Seems you missed his point at 1:32
@drooskie9525
@drooskie9525 2 месяца назад
@@kassandra1071 Just depends on how you mean it. the priest stated you do not share in the essence of God, but rather his energies... but his energies are the properties (to my understanding anyway) like immortality, eternal, infinitude, power, omniscience, love, etc. We become gods by grace, but more so in the pagan sense (arguably higher even), but never ever like God in the essence sense. A analogy often used is a rod of iron in a fire. the iron takes on the properties of fire but does not ever become the fire itself.
@Sunicarus
@Sunicarus Год назад
He sounds like Ray Romano, is it just me?
@nicofash6366
@nicofash6366 3 месяца назад
What is Greek Orthodoxy? Isnt the Orthodox Christian faith just Orthodoxy?
@annunciationorthodox
@annunciationorthodox 3 месяца назад
Father Angelo will be answering your question in tonight's Orthodoxy Questions Answered live show.
@beckyyoussef2669
@beckyyoussef2669 Год назад
That particular Psalm is referring to the fallen angels. Your interpretation is wrong
@thorgeist
@thorgeist Год назад
I’m inclined to agree with you, the word “Elohim” which is “gods” or “God depending on context, is used in Psalms 82 is a title we humans have never been given, or called by God. The Jews try to say it means the “judges.” Yet, Judges nor Kings ever embellishes this concept. I’m not sure where some of these Christians get this theory that Psalms 82 is about humans. Deuteronomy 32 and Genesis’ Tower of Babel event explain this further.
@user-hl4uo6yq8w
@user-hl4uo6yq8w 10 месяцев назад
Better tell the Lord, because He applies it to the Pharisees in John 10:34.
@joelpostma8242
@joelpostma8242 2 месяца назад
Psalm 82... if you keep reading.. is certainly NOT referring to a human. I wonder if the GO church takes a Sethite view of Gen 6.
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 Месяц назад
In order to understand as to whom Lord is speaking to, in Psalm 82, one ought to read it from the beginning. God addresses the earthly rulers and powers in the land (v. 2, 3, 4) as if they were gods (v. 1), angelic sons of the Most High. The address is full of irony. It is as if God says to them that they exercise such power on Earth it is as if you are gods yourselves! That they imagine themselves as they are above the common judgment of man, and are members of God's Heavenly council. It is thus clear that those addressed by God in this Psalm are not members of His Heavenly council, but earthly rulers of Israel. The Psalm assures these exalted rulers that for all their uncommon pretensions to invincible power, they will still die like any other men (v. 7). Angels do not die, and they certainly do not die like men. Therefore the objects of the denunciation were men, not angels. Going back to the Gospel, namely (John 10, 34), Lord Himself when quoting Psalm 82, said that the words, "You are gods" referred to those "to whom the Word of God came" - i.e. to men. This in itself should settle the question about whether God was addressing angels or men in the Psalm 82.
@joelpostma8242
@joelpostma8242 Месяц назад
@@johnnyd2383 I see too much evidence of a Divine Council Worldview in the age of the Bible Writer to accept your arguement... More peace to you as you discover how the DCW makes all the weird passages of the bible more clear. (if its weird. its important !)
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 Месяц назад
@@joelpostma8242 EOC existed for decades prior to the times writers wrote NT books, and we preached Resurrected Lord at the times when OT books were in existence only. Once NT books were written down it took more decades to have them manually copied. Our parishes were functioning normally in the mean time. EOC faith thus predates NT books and we do not need to reverse-engineer them. We know them by heart as they are excerpts from the original faith as Lord delivered it once unto Saints. We feel sorry for all those who are trying to come to the original faith by reverse-engineering texts of the Bible and are miserably failing. Some realized where originality is and are thus joining EOC. Others are perhaps too proud or like too much their hats having on a forehead inscription "POPE". God knows.
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 Месяц назад
@@joelpostma8242 EOC existed for decades prior to the times writers wrote NT books, and we preached Resurrected Lord at the times when OT books were in existence only. Once NT books were written down it took more decades to have them manually copied. Our parishes were functioning normally in the mean time. EOC faith thus predates NT books and we do not need to reverse-engineer them. We know them by heart as they are excerpts from the original faith as Lord delivered it once unto Saints. We feel sorry for all those who are trying to come to the original faith by reverse-engineering texts of the Bible and are miserably failing. Some realized where originality is and are thus joining EOC. Others are perhaps too proud or like too much their hats having on a forehead inscription "POPE". God knows.
@adim00lah
@adim00lah Год назад
I enjoyed the video, but why do you call yourself father rather than friar (brother)? Jesus said not to call any man upon earth father. "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." Matthew 23:9
@Unxpekted
@Unxpekted 2 года назад
We are Gods, so we are all Christ or is it Christ within us? Illumination is also used by freemasons...
@willtheperson7224
@willtheperson7224 2 года назад
We partake in the Divine Nature of God through his powers as we read from the Epistle of Peter or behold the Gifts (Energeia) of the Spirit as we read from St Paul.
@maxwelllewis4486
@maxwelllewis4486 2 года назад
You are misunderstanding what Freemasons say (especially the Orthodox ones).
@prayunceasingly2029
@prayunceasingly2029 2 года назад
@@maxwelllewis4486 there are orthodox freemasons?? Yikes. Freemasonry has another God.
@prayunceasingly2029
@prayunceasingly2029 2 года назад
gods is little g, and it's experienced by grace. Man is not fully God but can become like God by sharing in the divine nature. Man will never achieve Godhood though, this is what the Mormons believe.
@maxwelllewis4486
@maxwelllewis4486 2 года назад
@@prayunceasingly2029 No, it doesn't. You clearly have no idea about what you're talking.
@tutorialchief
@tutorialchief Год назад
there is no free will, i dont go into detail but if for example you are born in a isolated country, full of nice loving people, lots of food and everything you need, there would be body disease or maybe one day some questions arise of marvelous world, but no one would care about god, theosis salvation...even some foreign fellow would tell those things than people would have no intrest in it because they are already happy, why do you think tribal people around the world rejected christian ideas, money, technology??!! They were happy with their lives all day long, so the question arises without suffering there would be no thoughts about god, transformation of people, good and bad?
@tutorialchief
@tutorialchief Год назад
a creator cannot be free either, as long as there is will its not free, that simple, before will there comes passion, if you have some passion you also lack something obvious, if you lack something than you are not free, you are driven by your passion and than through will you create
@eprimchad2576
@eprimchad2576 Месяц назад
ok well im not arguing this but a christian could argue that those tribes or natives, which also have their own religions, are worshipping demons and false idols, which would obviously turn them further away from god, not towards it. they practice child sacrifice, mass murder and rape, and you think everything is good in their lives all day long? hilariously ignorant.
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