From their FAQ: Will there be an ortho/ortho split layout? Due to the position of the sensors ortho layouts will not be available. We hope to do a separate ortho split model in the future and the best way to make that happen is to let people know about this product.
@@SlexisSlacks Bro as soon as it is linux compatible I am buying idc. Look anything cool as shit and furisitc like this anmd then just take my money I don't it honestly just take my damn money. But as soon as it is compadiable with linux as they say it might not be on lanuch. At least it's not just made for windows as it's also made for mac. But this keybaord would be perfect for linux with the custimaxability. if they allow you to program your own things that'd be so cool.
Normal people don't use split keyboard, it makes sense that the first keyboard they make wouldn't be split. They want to be able to sell this to anyone.
This makes it sound like split keyboards are the norm for programmers. Never seen anyone use them in an entire office of hundreds. Even most keyboard enthusiasts I see only look for normal keyboards
I fully agree. I think @ThePrimeTime is just a bit out of touch with this one. Even in the keyboard enthustiast scene, ergo keyboards are a RARITY among RARITY. And 99% of programmers, even ones he would consider "hardcore" would never give a flying fuck about Ergo or touch it. I think it also goes to show you have to always take people with a graint of salt on everything. It's a bit dissapointing to see him say omething with such confidence, about a topic he SHOULD be knowledge about, while being flat out 100% wrong. Sounds like he's extrapolated something from a very very tiny clique. Makes you wonder what other areas they might be off the mark on. But I'm glad most of the stuff he talks about he's quite on the dot about.
i believe that the target audience for the flux keyboard is creators in general, and not necessarily programmers or gamers. They have presets for a bunch of editing software and 3d software it looks like. But the thing is adaptable so it could pretty much be used for anything.
Agreed. I too feel like its someone who's a content creator mainly. The modules being developed are very well suited for someone who creates content. But they kept mentioning gaming as well so it feels like its for someone who creates gaming content. But then again they have the multiple language thingy which looks like its for typists. I think the aim here is to create an all rounder. If it feels like mechanical and has a split version then I might buy it too.
But if it targets creators, why is there no numpad? Many creative programs do have basic features only on the numpad keys (thinking about AfterEffects, Premiere and Cubase)
Yeah, I don't know that I've ever looked at my keyboard directly since I put it on my desk... Having to suddenly look at contextual prompts would be annoying as heck.
it seems like it would be really great for creating and learning a very large number of shortcuts / actions that aren't simply inputting text, so initially you'd look at your keyboard to confirm where the shortcuts are, and eventually, sure, you'd stop looking. i'm thinking you could even have it as a second keyboard, but not use it as a keyboard, but only for the shortcuts. a full size keyboard might be overkill for that purpose, but... it also looks really cool for *other* people
@@CramBL I hope you realize very few people remember anything from high school, lol. Everything that isn't important to their future studies, career, or interests, goes out the window.
This keyboard, or at least video, seems entirely like a classic kickstarter buzz campaign. The video looks really sick, and the product looks cool too, but seems pretty idealistic and I feel like I would hate typing on it. Looks like it would feel like a laptop keyboard. Also, the cost of this thing is like $380 USD, and for that price you can get a very nice split ergo keyboard. It's simply a novelty product. The only use-case I could see would be a creative-type job, editing photos, graphic design, video editing, etc., which would make great use of the modules, and could also make good use of the dynamic keys, while also not needing to type for extended periods of time. Cool idea, but I don't know that I'd ever buy something like this, even if they make a split ergo one. Just doesn't seem practical, and I spend almost no time looking at my keyboard while I'm typing anyways.
Early tech and novel designs/proofs of concepts aren't meant for the average consumer. It's meant for those with money to spend who want to try novel things or bleeding tech. Early adopters. Then ideally when the design/concept/product lands well, they get more support to scale up to greater production and thus cheaper manufacturing costs. But again, new tech always starts out as novelties until they are proven to work. Happened with everything. Digital cameras, LCD displays, plasma TVs, OLED, SSDs... etc.
@@Un1234l I agree on your first point, which is why I find it goofy that they're consumer-facing so hard at this point. I mean, "new paradigm"? Give me a break. If it's truly a good product, it needs no grand idealistic "we're going to change the world" pitch. Will that help sell units and garner support? Undoubtedly. I still don't believe in this product yet, since it doesn't really solve much of anything compared with how much they pitch it.
It would absolutly need somthing like steam inputs custom layout shareing and quite a large user base for this to sell well. And even then the target market is people who use editors like that for everyone else you want to avoid having to look at the keyboard as much as possible.
Yea, frankly I've been looking online about this and they never show an up close view of the keyboard for real or being used. They have people try it out in their own videos but it's always out of shot or distant so you cant really see anything besides the peoples reactions. It's really sus.
Interesting take - I've typed on a traditional (non-split) keyboard my whole life and I've never had wrist pain. 8 hours a day for work plus gaming and casual use otherwise. Am I just lucky? Ignoring the split issue this keyboard looks pretty great IF it lives up to the hype. Not something I'd buy day one, but if reviews are positive, I'll probably pick it up. I have a 6 year old 100% mech that I've been thinking of replacing - this might be the one.
iam using a casual wireless keyboard that my uncle give me 10 years ago tbh, every single day my wrist hurts really bad... sometimes i had to stop what ever i am doing because of this :(
i think some people try to keep their wrists perpendicular to the kb by angling them outwards? My whole arms are angled inwards a bit, with straight wrists. Never had wrist pain. I still want a split tho.
@@handlechar568 I actually do the same thing, I have my arms inwards when typing and my chair allows me to tilt the arm rests inwards too so I have never felt any shoulder nor wrists pains in my years of typing. But when I tried keeping my arms straight it was just constant pain and suffering when I was learning to touch type for the first time so I guess that could be a big factor of some of the peoples wrist pain. (That at least is my take, no pain as of now)
I've thought of wanting a keyboard with a screen/screens underneath it for years. Seeing it actually being done is really cool, agree with the split thing though. And I wonder how nice it'll feel, as well as how easily it'll break. If it's an OLED, wonder about burn-in. Otherwise, wonder about backlight bleed and contrast issues.
I think for something just starting out, it's not bad. Based on early reviews in the generalist market, I'll probably get one just to support the company. I imagine as this gets more successful, they manufacture more parts, full size keyboards, split keyboards, concave versions, etc. At least, that's the hope.
Isn't the big problem with products like this (including the touchbar on Macbooks) that you... don't look at your keyboard normally? Why would I need changing/dynamic content on something I don't look at? I somewhat get the CPU/RAM/rendering progress indicator because that's information you can look at at a glance but anything else or dynamic seems kinda pointless right?
I can’t understand this approach. Apart from it looking awesome, if you’re in the market for a cool keyboard you probably never look at your keyboard anyway. It’s an interface to your computer, *not* your computer…
This is not a programmer's keyboard, and I think a split/concave layout would defeat it's main selling point which is LOOKING at the damn thing. Why get some fancy smart keyboard that you'll rarely look at while working? I rarely glance down at the keyboard when I work, and I can't figure out any scenario where I could make use of any of these fancy features. This is for graphic designers - they'd eat this up. I don't even see gamers getting on board.
I wouldn't say it doesn't solve any problems, being able to have a keyboard where you can switch the language and keyboard layout instantly instead of having to switch out every single key is huge, more so for someone like me who often finds himself in Japanese discords, having to write it with a normal keyboard is very much not pretty. Also, the fact that I could just switch out to a macro layout that has icons for each one is also huge, as I don't have to remember every single macro I've ever made that way (I am looking at you, vim) If anything, it has the potential to be really good but I wonder how is the response times in a keyboard that is pretty much a screen with keys on top, probably not worth it for gamers but I can very much see technical and billigual/polygot people getting into this type of keyboard
@@javierflores09 I also am from a non latin alphabet country; and there have always been keyboards with 2 letters on them, one latin and one non-latin, I've never heard of anyone switching keycaps because of the language.
@@discomallard69 I am from a latin alphabet country, and keycaps by default come with the normal alphabet so you have to buy the keycaps with the non-latin alphabet ad well, but it goes beyond that. What if I want to write arabic or similar? Would I buy another keyboard or keycaps for that? This kind of keyboard solves that. Admittedly, this is only an issue for people who speak more than one language whose alphabet differ
I just windows key plus space bar to change my keyboard layout to Spanish, and if I forget where a character is mapped I do the shortcut to bring up the onscreen keyboard. Windows key plus control plus "O"
I should get a split ortho keyboard at some point, but honestly the cherry MX ultra low profile I have no is just so fun to type on. I'm super used to membrane keyboards where there's barely any travel, and this one matches that experience perfectly, with a nice 'snap' to each keystroke that I really really like. Now if there happens to be a split keyboard with ultra low profile keys with barely any travel, I'm all about that.
Well this may not be a keyboard for developers, but for video content editors, designers, Adobe users, etc this could be nice. Being a FL studio user (the software has the most strange and hardcoded keybindings), I could be a sucker for this
I can definitely see programmers saying no, but for 3D modeling for animation or 3D printing, video and audio content creation, post edit, etc.. This is a game changer for me, and I just have to figure out how to come up with the cash. Really think how you wouldn't need to buy seperate boards for audio edit, video edit, ect... I mean, even with the 3D printing workflow I can already see it saving me hours. If someone doesn't see it that is ok, but but people need to allow some space for us who see the crazy price paying itself off within 6 months.
The best keyboard for me has been the Lenovo's TrackPoint keyboard. I have a Thinkpad Laptop and separate Trackpoint keyboard for my desktop PC. It has been truly a lifechanger for my shoulders and wrists, not having to reach for the mouse every time I need to use it.
First thing to make for something like this is a key tester. Then a spellcheck that flashes errors on itself. Then a editor/ide console feedback that shows a stack overflow page and makes the code a mini typing game. Reminder: key tester should have multiple was to enter testing mode in case keys are broken.
I'm using single square keyboard for decades. Had wrist pain only once when I had the wrong angle between my forearm and keyboard surface. Just don't stay on top of it and you'll be fine.
I've been doing software development for decades. Hate split keyboards. I'll stick to my mechanical traditional. Maybe I'm lucky or maybe I just have posture that makes it so I don't get RSI.
As a former advertising copywriter, the CTRL + ALT + CREATE line being created by soydevs had me giggling out loud. My people can't help it, Prime. As for their target market, this keyboard seems like it is trying to be an enthusiast-level keyboard while ALSO being an editor keyboard, the likes of which are available for DaVinci, Premiere and Final Cut. It's a tough balancing act.
I like that keyboard, I can imagine that older people get bigger fronted letters. Also that keyboard would be perfect in demo's, people will flock your booth. Translaterators could also use that keyboard, switch the Chinese, French,....
Users of shortcut heavy creative/CAD software and polyglots are probably the only markets for this thing. And even then it a only while learning kind of thing because once you've picked it up just not looking at the keyboard at all is they way to go.
I haven't taken a typing class since like 1999 but hearing prime make fun of cringe typing made me realize it's just another skill I need, just as much as the theoretical knowledge. It's kind of fun being a newb again in life at something so vast and complicated like digital computing
is it plastic or glass, cause the plastic is gonna scratch up worse than 2000 era acrylic pc case side panels just saw that they are an Australian company, so now I have to support them.
I would love a small video game while programming. And, to up the stakes, if at any point you die, it automatically runs git reset --hard and clears your undo history.
The fact that this is a traditional row-staggered keyboard is such a waste. Like you said Prime, a columnar, ergo or split design is just so much more comfortable, it saddens me that they're not as popular as they need to be.
Most programmers I know (in Sweden) use regular keyboards. Some of them are "keyboard nerds", which means that their keyboards have pretty colors or are in a compact form factor. I've converted a few to split, but mostly if they already had pain in their wrists or fingers.
It's just a massive gimmick, people who type fast don't look at the keyboard anyway and if you're a designer and use the screen your hands will get in the way, the switches are probably not nearly as good as mechanical switches... It's only feature is that it's pretty.
i wonder if Melodysheep made this music, or if it's straight up stolen or licensed from existing Melodysheep works. It's eerily similar. (Melodysheep uses it for nice science/scifi videos though, a very different and much less cringe usecase)
I think I am 80% sure that the music in this video is licensed from melodysheep, because this song sounds very similar to the one from the video "TIMELAPSE OF THE FUTURE: A Journey to the End of Time (4K)" 🤔
Most programmers I know use either the keyboards included with their laptops or regular ISO keyboards. Most keyboard enthusiasts I know think ortho and split users are mentally ill and have disparaging names for them. The types of nerds that other nerds bully.
In the FAQ's on their website it says. Will there be an ortho/ortho split layout? Due to the position of the sensors ortho layouts will not be available. We hope to do a separate ortho split model in the future and the best way to make that happen is to let people know about this product.
painfully this is all possible with just about any touchscreen device and the right (conductive/capsense altering) materials - but EVERYTHING needs a happy little leet niche it seems
