What is Woman? (de Beauvoir + Metroid) - 8-Bit Philosophy 

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Wisecrack Hey wisecrack! I'm not sure if anyone pointed this out yet, but birdo is not a woman, yet you still depicted birdo as a woman.

Exonestist Birdo's a transwoman.

If you want to get technical, birdo is still xy, and not xx.

+Alex Bermann thats a good observation, helped put a lot of things into perspective. its strange how characters in popular culture can help explain existential issues like this. i suppose its how pantheons work. sexuality is undeniably one of the biggest aspects of womanhood. historically we've seen societies completely unrelated to each other by space and time arrive at those same conclusions. samus represents masculinity, and historically we could call that exceptionalism, because, well, she's looks and acts like a man in that suit.... its like a metal hijab, hiding what makes her female :P

I wouldn't agree to the second part. In my opinion, feminimity is a concept which doesn't really have anything to do with womanhood. A woman can be masculine and a man can be feminime. Furthermore, sexuality can be a part of a womans life, but it does not need to - and when it's a part, it doesn't have to be geared towards men. So it doesn't really inherently differ from a mans sexuality. When you look around, you find people who have womanhood as a part of their identity while biologically being men. You have people who neither include womanhood nor manhood into their identity. Interestingly, there is a debate among lesbians wether lesbians are women - the lesbians who claim that that's not the case argue that womanhood is defined by their relation towards men. Since they don't share that relationship, they deny the label (Monique Wittig is famous for that position). Back to Heidegger: A big point of Heideggers criticism of conventional thinking was the idea of the "one" as in "as one knows" or "one doesn't do that". Both "a man" and "a woman" ar such "ones". (Sorry if my translation is unconventional, I read Heidegger in German and he has an infamous use of language.) So let's get to my claim: Samus doesn't act like a man. She acts like a woman - and this woman is Samus. We call some of Samus character traits and of her behavior masculine. However, we can also find feminime traits. While Super Metroid didn't have much plot, but that plot included maternal instincts on Samus side. Based on these things: he suit is the opposite of a hijab. To show the difference clearer, I'll use the more extreme form of concealment in this argument: the Burqa. Both under Samus suit and under a Burqa, you don't really see anything about the person. However, the Burqa is a clear gende marker - it's womens clothing. Samus armor is an outfit which is there for the very practical reason of protection (both against force and against uninhabitable environments). So: a woman who wears hijab puts herself into the category "woman". Samus wear armor because she values her life - not to express feminimity of masculinity. In her case, it's us who put her into the category.

well said, alex and you've made a good distinction between the hijab and the suit in regards to purposes for both. i guess what i was referring to was the more simple observation that the hijab conceals and so does the suit, but of course, like you've said, the reasons are completely different. her suit concealing the shape of her body is more of a by product than intentional whereas the hijab is primarily aimed at concealment, but overtly marking the person as female simultaneously. i find the hair splitting very confusing when it comes to defining gender... i mean c'mon lesbians are women, right? i know its just a theory but would't yo say its more about deviance against societal norms, than biology? i haven't read Heidegger, but the work sounds really interesting. any tips for where i could find out more?

+Muhammad Inks Thanks for the compliment. You're right: it's not about biology at all. This leads me to what my claim is: "womanhood" is seperate from biology and from sexuality. It's hard to define, but there are at least two factors to it. First, there is the factor of societal norms. If you look at several kinds of culture, you have the returning pattern of rituals which allow former children entry in "manhood" or "womanhood". Second, it's a part of identity which even can form seperate from the social availability of the social category. But let's get to Heidegger: finding more about him shouldn't be hard. Pretty much all of existencialism builds on his work. There are three problems with Heidegger. First, starting with his books would be really hard since Heidegger is near incomprehensible by German standarts. "The School of Life" here on RU-vid has a nice introduction about what "Sein und Zeit" is all about. Depending on where you live, yu might even cconsider buying an inntroduction level book into 20th century philosophy. Another approach would be th lecture series "A History of philosophy" by wheatoncollege here on RU-vid, even though the focus is different there.

some great pointers alex, thanks. you seem clued up on the subject, have you studied philosophy? everything can be looked at subjectively, and we can deconstruct the reality around us into fanciful theories and thats what the whole debate over gender is increasingly looking like. even flat earth theories have some legitimacy in comparison. wouldn't you say that regardless of the existential reality, men appear to have a degree over women? thats the bottom line, right? i'll check out the youube videos you suggested, being the lazy soul that i am ;)

+Paris Stalker -soooo they watch the video take in the information and reconcile the new point of view with their own. -what if they challenge their conception and come to the same conclusion. -also if we mean woman biologically, then there is no question of what a woman is, same with men -if what we mean by woman is some socially constructed identity that's when we run into this problem -why does one become a woman? do you have to act a certain way? isn't that limiting? -why is it that men are always the oppressors? who actually runs the fashion industry? -if women are only biological or sexual objects, men are only biological organisms and utilities -haven't you heard "are men obsolete?" (because they're little more than an appliance to a lot of people) -this is for the most part a result of sexual dimorphism -some people are just tired of feels over reals -honestly all that matters (at least to me) is what you DO -after taking into consideration things from multiple sides a lot of the modern day identity politics not only mean nothing they tend to also cause division among people and after a while people run into a sort of morality fatigue, and like any sort of fatigue this can lead to frustration, and anger. combine his with the anonymity of the internet and the current social and political climate and now you have to watch your every move or offend someone by mistake, and yeah people are eventually get pissed and this could (but most likely won't) result in secondary deviance. -"....then let me be evil" or "I didn't choose the thug life the thug life chose me" -these are the sorts of mentalities that spawn from constantly being condemned for existing -while this video may be mild, what happens when something irritates your skin and you start to vigorously rub it? does it not become more irritated

Because this is outdated, out of place, shortsighted nonsense... even by the original authors own perspective. It perpetuates false information on impressionable, under educated and emotionally unstable individuals.

+Paris Stalker I know right? People miss the point and get into frivolous arguments over things that are super subjective!

Paris Stalker I

CALMING DOWN IS NOT IN THE INTERNET'S VOCABULARY.

both knuckledragging trogdolytes and trogdolydettes will find this. i'll give it a hour. (simplification added for the frothing fuckwits)

DoctorPlague I found one!

spiderpig230 Discussing philosophy isn't the same as telling everyone else "YOU ARE DOING LIFE WRONG", so of course it's not toxic

i rest my case

imstill notusingmyname uhm... did you mean "Troglodyte"?

Finally a comment that isn't bashing feminism or asking, "What about men?" when you clicked on a female philosopher's video

I wonder if that last line isn't a little more open then just that. Yes, it leads into the idea that she, as a woman, lacks autonomy and has thus been pressured into wearing said bikini. But it also begs the question "can she not choose to wear the bikini of her own free will?" That is, if she chose not to wear the bikini, would that be because her lack of autonomy forced her to rebel, thus creating another instance of a lack of autonomy? So has the woman lost all hope of autonomy, being forced to either conform or rebel?

But she was only rendered in a bikini for the shock value of the audience finding out she was a woman, so.....

Well of course a woman has the free will to choose to wear a bikini, but the problem here is Samus is a fictional character created by someone else and can't make decisions for herself. Someone made the decision to put her in a bikini and this is kind of a problem because one could argue that Samus made the decision to wear the bikini but the fact remains that the developer chose to show Samus in the bikini when they could have just as easily given her some clothes.

Is it really a problem, though? The bikini, from a developer/player point of view, merely highlights the fact that she is a woman. This is after she has just finished a long series of pure badassery. If the bikini - or her sex entirely - somehow takes away or invalidates her actions, then there's a problem. And that's not a problem propagated by the developers, but by the condemning audience. Ideally, Samus's reveal could have shown her completely nude, completely covered, or anywhere in between without consequence.

+CrimsonOptics The thing is, it's just the gaming companies trying to make games for men, who make up a large majority of gamers. It's not society being sexist, it's just that men want to see men in interesting roles.

+No Name Females now make up 48% of the gaming population. In 2010 it was only 40% but it increases every year. It's not longer as skewed as it once was in the gaming space. (This is according to a quick google search not hard research on the subject).

Nicholas Hildenbrand​ that's something I've heard a lot. However, that study actually only found that women make up about 48% of people who *frequently play video games in any form*, including virtual board games, card games such as solitaire, endless running games such as Subway Surfers, and matching games like candy crush and bejeweled, and it found that the distribution was that most women who play games only play these kinds of games. In short, the majority of women who play video games play games that have no protagonist or story, and the majority of people who play games that have stories and characters are men.

I gotcha. That makes sense.

No Name Well those women probably play those games because they feel alienated from games sometimes. Like how guys always make a big deal about when a woman is on an online game, or how most gaming protagonists are men, and that is probably because part of the gaming market still thinks video games are a men thing, but they really aren't. Even in my area, the south, there are girl gamers who enjoy games like jrpgs, shooters, action games, and so on, because they're fun, and they aren't just recent either. They've been playing since they were kids. Women still play video games, but I'd say if you cut out the candy crush and the bejeweled shit, it's about 35-40%, but that's still almost half, and the numbers are catching up now that games have male and female protagonists. In fact, most female gamers I've known, and I've known quite a few, do care about story and gameplay. They're just like male gamers, honestly. The problem is we just need more games that feature competent women, aka, more human. We shouldn't be fighting and suing people over what characters they want to put in a video game, we just need to show them that women care about games just as much as guys do, and they'll expand their markets accordingly.

+Ivo Rosa She kicked butt real quick with the space suit in the first run-through and wanted a challenge for the second run through.

But what if she's actually the bikini controlling the homo sapien?

@Masticatious if the weapons are energy then armor is useless anyway. Speed and evasion are a type of armor class.

I mean, if the aliens are easily enamored and thus stupified by sufficient 'jiggle physics' then I would argue that it is the best to fight aliens in!

@Felippe DeMello What Irish hero are you referring too? I am big into Celtics folklore

Natasel Sure, everyone's had it rough, but that doesn't make it invalid to examine the social forces that create one group's relative oppression when compared to other people within the same culture. Recognizing that living conditions have improved for society in general doesn't make it wrong to recognize inequality in society. And then it's also important to consider how different forms of oppression intersect depending on the different identities a person carries with them. I'm not sure what point one can really hope to make by saying that even being a King in medieval times didn't get you cable TV, if we also know that being a king in that same era guaranteed your livelihood. To bring it back to the topic described here, I don't know how relevant it really is to bring up the functionality of a loo when the ability to participate in government, opportunities in education, the right to own property, and bodily self-determination in general was (and arguably still is) largely determined by circumstance of birth.

Natasel It's not really complaining; it's just recognizing disparities.

So, how would you define "pussying," exactly?

Howell Katz I wouldn't put it like that exactly, but I'd define the same thing as not realizing we now live in a world where people have equal oppurtunities in most cases and disregarding the importance of the individual. What I mean by that is that people subscribing to mainstream feminist ideologies generally can't see past "groups" or society at large. What others realize is the reality of the situation: what you do and how hard you work also plays a big role in determining your status for instance, if not the biggest role. *Some* of the "social justice warriors" and feminists get stuck on society and structural oppression, when in fact *you* are the one determining how *your own life* will turn out and *you* should take responsibility for it. Highlighting injustice - yes please. Cowering behind "structural oppression", norms in society and gender ideals to justify avoiding personal responsibility? I guess that's as close to pussying as you can get.

I think it's important to consider that learning how to navigate an oppressive system and calling out that oppressive system are not mutually exclusive things. It's not about avoiding personal responsibility; rather, by pointing out how the system is oppressive and working to change it, you're actually taking more charge over your life than if you were to simply accept the way things are. To take one example, with the Black Lives Matter movement, people who point out the disproportionate brutality faced by black people in the U.S. are not necessarily choosing that criticism over whatever survival methods they already have. Or, to take some more widespread feminist activism as an example, feminists who organize "Take Back the Night" events are not necessarily foregoing personal safety just because they're vocalizing the disproportionate level of sexual assault faced by women. (That is to say, they may still be taking the steps necessary in order to maintain their own personal safety at the same time as they are organizing events to draw attention to the ways in which our culture is unsafe.) Or, to draw from trans activism, people who draw attention to the level of violence faced by the trans community are not necessarily out as trans people, since being out, in itself, puts their lives in more danger than if they weren't. It's a false dichotomy when we say that people aren't taking responsibility just because they're pointing out how our culture is oppressive. People who choose one or the other, to be blunt, are either silent or dead.

assuming you can call her a philosopher...

Zarrov Well, she's on this show, so...

Juan-Carlos Ocasio if a camel would show up here you would call it philosopher?

Zarrov Rephrase: She's the subject of this show...

***** Mentioning her sex IS the point. My expression of gratitude of this episode, which brought to light a lady philosopher (de Beauvoir) is an acknowledgment of my own ignorance of lady philosophers (of which I knew none of).

Not so far, which is rather strange. Maybe the people who watch these videos are a bit more mature.

I hope you're wrong, but we all know what's coming

Why would it be awful?

I doubt they're that much more mature on the whole, there are probably several other factors at play.

Yuuup. Wait for the fireworks bud.

Shhhh, don't tempt them.

Callie Sandberg I don't care what type of discussion happens as long as people are civil and aren't lobbing death threats.

theproplady This is the internet. I wouldn't get your hopes up.

Alex Goldhill DAE the internet is literally ISIS?

theproplady Tell that to the feminist who loves doing harassment like Zoe and Anita.

Or, you're just a sexist asshole

"You" being the keyword in both scenarios. In both scenarios it is not woman making the decisions, it's "you".... if others (the masculine point of view/male gaze) determines woman's essence and what it'll mean for her then she is not a subject but an object.

People complain about everything dear.

Yep indeed it was meant as a sarcasm because we took for granted that she was a man because of the things she did.

Persona Ohnlyne The problem is men have historically had the power over women, and thus they have been in charge of the definitions of what is right and what is wrong, thus women have had less agency in comparison to men. Normally also, the traits of men are generally considered good things to have. Brave, Sacrificial, Strong, Muscular etc, Women's traits especially in media are normally always presented as an objectification for men's admiration, Voluptuous, Sexy, Cute etc. I don't think men's traits are being used to make them appeal to women.

Persona Ohnlyne De Beauvoir actually addresses this in the second sex. At one point she argues that womens liberation is liberation for men too, because it would mean we would all be free to define ourselves.

***** a

Borndir ???

+BadMouseProductions How are they not being used to appeal to women? Plenty of things are shown through media as a way to impress the other sex. Want that girl to notice you? Be more muscular and assertive.

***** I did not know that. Was he Sartre? Or was Sartre just a boyfriend of hers?

TAR ICO Sartre was her lover, not her husband. As fact, they are both burried in the same place.

***** I read it. Thanks. From my reading a few pages of "The Second Sex" and reading what others have written about it and its author, I think "The Second Sex" was important in that it was one of the first works of Feminism's Second Wave. For what it's worth.....

***** Tried and tried again to read Nausea by Sartre. Couldn't do it. I look at the cover of Being And Nothingness daily. I think I read a few pages of it a long time ago? Am not sure if I've ever finished anything by Sartre. I know I'm supposed to, but. Everybody points to The Stranger as Camus' best work or whatever, but I liked The Plague much more. de Sade's Juliette is something I'm proud of, proud that I finally finished reading it. Took me two years, and at one point I put it down for six months, but I finished! Now that is one heck of a book, Juliette. Justine, not so much. I sold that one back to the bookstore, as I also did with The Philosophy of the Bedroom, all by de Sade. Jacques Derrida has to be a joke, eh? I tried "reading?" Derrida, if you can call it that, but no. I would just rather think if Derrida as someone who was joking around. Although he did write in French, so as someone who reads English only, I may never be privy to the truth on that one, and the horse's mouth isn't going to help us at this point either, cuz he's dead. My point is that though I can't say I'm a fan of existentialism, I do favor it over the writings of those who are said to be deconstructionistic philosophers, of whom I haven't real all that much.

***** 53. Yes, I've read a few books in my day too. If there's something I can't hang with, I don't berate or chastise myself too much; there's only so much room between my ears, gotta slow the intake down at some point, eh? So with Derrida. Either it's an Emporer's New Clothes deal, or there's this whole other "language" one has to learn in grad school, in Philosophy grad school to be specific. And it's not a language like French or Italian, no, it's the "language" of jargon. Maybe after a few years of learning their "language" one might be able to understand Derrida. I'm leaning toward Emporer's New Clothes BTW. Of all the stuff I learned in school, and after school, I'm just not using deconstructionism in everyday life at all. And not missing it. In fact, I think I need to go to Barnes And Noble and skim through "Deconstructionism for Dummies" just for a refresher.

Juan Luis Vargas Pareja of course men also are but i think its fair to say that women receive on average more constrictions under patriarchy then men. it is also in the self intrest of men i would argue to resist patriarchy but this does not negate the fact that women under patriarchy are if not nessesarily more oppresed then men at least oppressed in a unique and particularly frustrating way

Juan Luis Vargas Pareja don't most guys oppress each other by stating this and that is gay? So either way the man is not the only but still more likely to be in the position of the oppressor....

TheZzpop Hahaha... Yea no. I can't wear anything fem without being hated, My girlfriend can wear what ever she wants. I cannot do anything that would denounce masculinity, my girlfriend was openly invited to join a unisex, underground mixed martial arts tournament without anyone batting an eye. I cannot wear my hair long because people would point it out and make fun of me, my girlfriend could go bald and be called brave. I was forced to work when i was 12 and have been working since then and only just recently was able to retire from blue collar work into something more specialized after getting my associates, my girlfriend started working when she was 21, and two years later got am internship at a pretty decent firm without completing college. Also, women do this to. Many girls force men into a position where they have to be the provider, and if I were to say that I would like to be a stay at home dad, I would be viewed as incompetent, lazy and unfit to be a good husband.

John Smith yeah but the system still works against men since women can use terms like "be a man" and "a real man would". The patriarchal society it can be argued is equally oppressive to both sexes.

***** why not?

Huh. Well how 'bout that.

Proof that femininity/masculinity are not tied to sex and that they are actually a form of costume or personality we take on

So true. So everyone from both sides of the gender debate, stop defining genders for a typical stereotype. A man can cry as much as a woman and a women can be badasses just like men. That is why I refer to everyone as "guys". Do not be define as a specific gender!!!

Hey knock it off with all that sensible language. What are you trying to do, make a valid point?

***** But how do you define power? Who is more powerful? The male who trundles off to battle to defend his country and family? The male who (throughout most of human history) had to work outdoors in mind-bendingly dangerous jobs that were more suited to his increased physical prowess? Or the woman who gets to stay safe at home with the kids and engage in activity which wasn't nearly as demandingly physical as what the men had to do? The woman who,--thanks to her reproductive value--will probably be captured by an enemy army instead of killed outright, or who will be thought of as far more valuable (and thus protected) in the event of a crisis? In the olden days, men got to rule because it was strength and the ability to create technology that made it possible to rule. In this day and age, technology (which has largely been created by men) has wiped away the strength/tedious mental work advantage that men as a whole possess, allowing women to work outside the home and delay/forgo childcaring. But women still command the vast resources of men, through government programs, child custody laws and police forces which have been set up to protect women's interests. Women get more out of society today than men do (while they work fewer hours in jobs that require less training/responsibility than those commonly held by men.-- You won't find the feminists who are clamoring for 50 percent of women to be CEOs clamoring for 50 percent of women to be sewage workers or oil roughneckers..) There is absolutely nothing stopping a woman from running for office or taking control of a company, if she has the talent and the drive to do these things. But there's the thing. She has to be willing to work as long and as hard as a man (and probably forgo childbirth) if she wants to go as far as a man would in that field.

yomomasboss In the male/female sexual dichotomy transsexuals don't fit the traditional gender binary and therefore it would also be foolhardy to compare the achievements of a transsexual to that of either gender. When comparing oranges to apples, adding a banana into the equation doesn't make any difference to the outcome. Regardless of weather or not you are a trans person you still should not be comparing your own level of achievement with that of others since that is a recipe for a very unhappy existence. Besides, one might argue that making the transition is an achievement in and of itself and one which is unobtainable to the traditional gender types.

theproplady Jesus Christ, read some fucking history before you create this nonexistent past where women were never sent to work at dangerous jobs, fight in battles, or be captured and raped by a conquering enemy. You act as though the experiences of a very few wealthy women were universal, and they were not. Ever hear of sweatshops, deadly childbirth, virgin sacrifice, female warriors, or rape as a military tactic? You don't know what you're talking about.

Pauline Triage "You act as though the experiences of a very few wealthy women were universal" Isn't that what feminists are saying with regard to 'male dominance'? That because there are a few men in power that all men are in power? "Ever hear of sweatshops, deadly childbirth, virgin sacrifice, female warriors, or rape as a military tactic?" Ever hear of the battle of the Somme, the white feather campaign, shell shock or prison rape? There is more than one competitor in the victim Olympics, my dear ;)

I concur with you, but a little thing I don't like in Dark Souls 3 is that the women and men has different animations, just by their sex. I think it's unnecessary, because a woman not to be such must necessarily act differently (The same thing with de man). This is only my opinion.

+FELIONIX2033 Not sure what that has to do with philosophy, but ok. Also, not sure if you know, but Wisecrack did make a Dark Souls video. It wasn't that good, IMO. Had an interesting idea behind it, but they didn't do much with it.

I think Dark Souls has something to do with nihilism.

I suggest Feminine Frequency for more on this subject.

Alexander Demkin Hardly. Unless you want confirmation bias, condescension, professional-victim-padding and truth that is blurred and skewed so hard to try and fit an agenda. If that's your thing, then yeah FemFreq all the way.

Alexander Demkin lmfao you are joking right....? right?

PsychicChris Just as Anita was joking when she claimed to be a "Gamer"....

TheBlarggle You and me must be watching a different channel.

+Kati Luck (Hathor Ra) aren't there a lot of women who define men, real men, and good men equality?

+Kati Luck (Hathor Gaia) Yes, they are answering the question that was presented in the video's title, what's your point?

women are known to love the archaic and bigoted

Sure it could

She's been dead since 1986. Yet even in her present condition she could probably make a better game than Other M.

Alex Goldhill Did she live to see the first Metroid game?

BagOfMagicFood I believe she died a few months before the first one was released.

Other M game play was great there is not many games on the wii i can say that about maby No more heros ? dont know why people hate it so much.

Wow you just can't let someone talk about women for one second. This obsession with talking about men and seeing men as the standard for suffering and "what about men" nonsense only proves the point of the women always being seen as an object and push aside as non-humans.

+Kazoo The Kid He never said women were worthless objects. He was simply pointing out that men also have their own issues imposed by society.

EarthBound Pwny Yes and those issues are constantly talked about all the time by men who don't want to shut up. Why can't one single thing exist to talk about exclusively women? Why can't women be talked about for a single second for some dudebro goes "WHAAT ABOUT MEEE"

+Kazoo The Kid I'm pretty sure there is. It's called feminism.

EarthBound Pwny And this is a video about feminist philosophy and a very important feminist work and men still somehow make it all of themselves.

This really should have more upvotes.

+baby I was actually pretty shocked to see these comments. I had thought clever people subscribe to this channel but then I remembered this is The Internet.

+Brent Titus right ? most other videos have cool rational reasoned and thoughtful ideas but women ??? ew !!!!! what about ~men~??? sigh

the discourse evolves people needs to learn how to spot fallacies in feminism on their own

Interesting watch, thanks for sharing

Daniel Upshaw You should check out the rest of the 8-bit philosophy videos if you haven't, they are pretty much all good.

What's wrong with being a feminist?

Natasel If you really think this is true I feel sorry for you. It's about EQUALITY by the genders, now that's totally different from racism.

Natasel Look. I imagine that you are some guy who thinks feminism is some stupid movement that will die off eventually. But let me tell you something. Since I am a feminist, I am standing up and speaking out to other people who think that girls are but only sex objects and that boys are never allowed to cry in public. I am a feminist because when a boy is told "He hits a baseball like a girl", it's considered an insult. Still today, little girls (some as young as 11 or 12 years old) are being given away as brides to old men. They are used for their bodies and have children sometimes before they become a TEENAGER. Look, you have just made one of the stupidest points I have ever heard. A simple Google search would have sent you straight.

Olivia Isme I agree. Some of those shithole third-world countries that treat women more like animals than human beings definitely need feminism. But does the western world need it? I don't really think so. I personally think all the goals of feminism have already been achieved in the western world. So I am not a feminist, but I certainly don't think feminism equates to racism. Maybe radical feminism.

TheRantMaster53 Yeah, just remember one thing. Being a feminist is not about being a lesbian and planning that girls rule the world and that there is no need for males. In fact, that is quite the opposite of feminism. Feminism is the simple idea that girls are still human, and that we all should be treated equally despite whatever gender, race, or sexual orientation you make be. And by getting behind this video, you're making a feminist move. Standing up for something that is right or getting behind something that is right is, quite frankly, one of the bravest things we as humans can do, so I congratulate you on doing something that looks so simple, yet makes a difference. Unfortunately, there is a lot of things that can be done better in the western world when we talk about feminism. Some men (and even women) see females as nothing more than something used to re-populate the earth. We are seen by some as someone who needs to "stay in the kitchen". It's a sad day when you realize that your own mother has been doomed to a life of cleaning and taking care of kids, because she just "has to" while my dad is out making "end's meat". As you know, the trouble of feminism becomes more severe as you go into the lower-class countries. However, I figure, if the majority of us are brave enough to stand behind the idea of equality and a peaceful world, one day, Earth could become that Utopia that seems like nothing more than a dream right now.

Everyone's got to have a hobby I suppose.

1. because wage gap has been prooven as not being due to sexism, but capitalism and different life choices 2. because abortion became more and more understood as infringement on third party rights times change...progress marches on and massacrates old superstition. Like those two.

Zarrov Surely the fact that capitalism causes a wage gap between genders is an indication that it is sexist? Furthermore, the fact that capitalism causes the wage gap is not a good reason to avoid challenging it on feminist grounds.

"Different life choices" is a copout when you belong to the group who gets to define what those choices are.

The wage gap is bullshit and do to choices. Notice how you didn't debunk any of our points. You only cried about sexism with out any basis and then claimed we are mras when most of us aren't. Don't project your own delusional state of mind on to others.

Somehow it's never Anita Sarkeesian's actual supporters complaining that they've been "cheated". Isn't that funny? It's almost as if they've continuously received exactly what they voluntarily contributed money for.

slut4berniesanders Exactly, they wanted a confirmation bias.

She set out to prove that some games are sexist and accidentaly proved that a huge amount gamers are sexist, that is quite a feat in my book.

deathfish3000 "She set out to prove that some games are sexist and accidentally found out that a huge amount of gamers don't like it when you misrepresent their daytime hobby in attempt to slander and have it changed in ways that would take away from both realism and gameplay." Fixed that for you.

Master Shake "She set out to prove that some games are sexist and accidentally found out that a huge amount of gamers don't like it when you misrepresent their daytime hobby and that death threats, rape threat and general mysogyny are, in these people's minds, valid responses to a youtube video problematizing their hobby" stay classy, brah.

Also, third!!!

You'll notice a male is talking. You'll notice that the person that is talking isn't on screen. I think visually seeing her heightens emotional investment so those that are emotionally stirred by women 'attacking their video games' they will act out more often than if an unseen man is narrating.

Because Wisecrack didn't do it in a condescending manner, steal other people's gaming footage, scam people and play the professional victim role like Anita did. As for the objectiviifcation argument: if you make a female character with feminine traits you get accused of promoting stereotypes..... but when you make a strong female character, then you are accused of making her follow male control roles. There is no winning with cultural studies hipsters.

His Divine Shadow Yeah I agree, I would say that this effect was also accentuated by the stigma surrounding (for lack of a better term) "that type of feminist". edit- thought of a better term, feminists.

Lint Because he isn't cherry picking (for example) brothel scenes from games which actually should be an example to the rest of gaming of good plot, lore and character (e.g Witcher 2 which is one the best RPGs out there for mature people)

The majority of the hate Sarkeesian is getting isn't justified but there is some of it she deserves. She took from LP'ers with out their permisson and has yet to fully deliver on her kick starter promise. Outside of that anyone who is being an asshole to her is stupid really.

+mike mikeson Way better than Anita because it isn't just a long list of complaints

+CassnassXXL You should check out Robert Sapolsky's work if you think that science shows some things are predetermined. Also, don't dismiss "arbitrary quotas" until you've read the relevant arguments on affirmative action. I will supply some introductory material: plato.stanford.edu/entries/affirmative-action/

+CassnassXXL Please provide us with some links or references to this science. It would be an interesting read.

Doriiaan www.cerebromente.org.br/n11/mente/eisntein/cerebro-homens.html www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/44096/title/Sex-Differences-in-the-Brain/ There is some. The first one may be older, so that research might be a bit dated by now, still, as far as I'm aware the debate is ongoing. The second link shows that the brains are different as well, including mental disorders and the like. People get very offended when someone suggests there may be differences in general spheres of intelligence between males and females or other races, but one has to remember that it's about averages and everyone still deserves the same shots. While I am good at math, I am still better at linguistics and am in fact studying it on University level. Most of the people in the class are women, but there are other males as well. Most chess grandmasters are male as well, since that seems to be an area where the kinds of things males are good at shine. Still, Judit Polgar is a brilliant chess player in her own right. In short, equal opportunity should reign supreme regardless of scientific outcome. Arbitrary quotas solve nothing.

CassnassXXL www.cordeliafine.com/delusions_of_gender.html global.oup.com/academic/product/neuromania-9780199591343?cc=us&lang=en

Distracted Fox : The grass is alway greener on the other side. It's always easier to just blame Men and others for your own failings. Typical female/loser mind set.

i'd like to see you explaining, in typipcal chicspeak, why is it that girls always react better to toxic masculine men.

+Kazuma - kun I wish I could live in your world where sexism was illegal... I'd bring my girlfriend, mother, aunts, cousins and sisters with me.

GREATGAIWAIN Don't be stupid. I'm obviously talking about sexism in professional environments. Of course you can't stop people from being sexist in private or even from expressing their opinions, but treating a co-worker that way will not only get you fired instantly, but maybe sued for sexual harassment. Which can get you jail time. Not to mention that myth about women getting paid less is only just a myth. So yeah, sexism is pretty much illegal.

+Kazuma - kun I dunno about it being a myth but the national average is very misleading as the wage gap varies from state to state. Currently Vermont is on top.

+Kazuma - kun Actually you were right to begin with. At least in relation to Western Europe. Sexist comments are not covered by free speech & many nations have outlawed them.

+Sassy Roro if you take into account the choices people make that gap nearly vanishes. just a couple of examples-> hours worked. ex 40 hrs. vs 60 hrs type of job. ex. school teacher or nurse vs. project manager for the military or a doctor time off. maternity leave + regular leave vs. just regular leave. also look at the earnings of men and women fresh out of college and you'll see the women actually earning more.

First rule of the Patriarchy. You don't talk about the Patriarchy. Hand back your oppressive cis white male membership card, please. Your privileges have been revoked.

Skippy19812 BALLS TO THAT! FIGHT THEM WITH YOUR MACHISMO! ALL OF IT!

Skippy19812 I don't know if you did it on purpose, but that's so true: no one likes to be called a sexist or homophobic, they rather be called, conservatives, or old fashioned, etc, etc, etc, denial, denial, denial...

+Carson Troeh Blame the philosopher, not Wisecrack. What Wisecrack does is present the vision of each philosopher.

Rick Apocalypse You're right, to be honest. My anger was misguided and irrational.

+Carson Troeh Keep in mind, she was likely writing from the perspective of an upper-class dignitary. She was generalizing though, it's true.

I think what the philosopher meant was that men are more easily respected in our society while women are more likely to be treated as objects and have to work our way to be seen as people and not positions

Briawna Michelle I'm sure slave drivers that worked their slaves to death really saw them as more than objects. Also I've never seen anybody call a women a "position". No matter how bigoted that person was.

Wow.

+drZarqawi ah yes known sjw and tumblr user simone de beauvoir, back when tumblr started in 1949. oh boy i tell you those gnarly sjw are everywhere in sociology.

Well i didn't know anything about that, but the Tumblr users and SJW's apparently just continued the tradition. It's still SJW logic even if they did it before there was anything called SJW's