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What Killed Rainfurrest 2016? - Trapa Explains at Vancoufur 2016 

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Text of letter sent to the RainFurrest board:
This firm has the pleasure of representing Hilton Worldwide Inc. and its owned and managed properties regarding convention and group related matters. I have been asked by the Hilton Seattle Airport Hotel ("Hilton") to advice you that it is cancelling its contract with RainFurrest Anthropomorphics International for its September, 2016 event.
I know it is not necessary for me to detail the reasons for Hilton's decision, as your organization has already advised its members of the many problems that occurred during this year's event in the letter posted by Rex Wolf on your organization's web site: www.rainfurrest.org/2016/2015... While the issues cited in the web posting alone would justify Hilton's decision to end its relationship with RainFurrest, as you are no doubt aware, the problems went far beyond what was described in the post.
The Hilton became the headquarters hotel for your event in 2011 and has seen the event grow from a 1200 person weekend event to a 2800 attendee week long "party." As the event has grown, the damage to the property, complaints by other guests, and inappropriate conduct by attendees has multiplied. The following is only a partial list of issues that occurred during the 2015 event:
*Two attendee drug overdoses that required medical response and hospitalization for both attendees;
*Over 2000 spend nitrous oxide cartridges which are used as an illegal inhalant were found discarded in a guest corridor after the group checked out;
*A drug arrest in the adjacent parking lot of a person that police believe had ties to the RainFurrest group;
*A RainFurrest volunteer staff member was reported to have sexually assaulted a female attendee (the responding Sheriff charged the man);
*A guest room smoke detector was tampered with and discarded in a guest corridor;
*An elevator inner door cable was broken by an attendee trying to force the door open;
*A RainFurrest security staff member was seen using marijuana;
*Hilton received a phone call and follow up e-mail from an attendee complaining about rampant drug use and alcohol consumption that was allowed by RainFurrest staff.
Again, let me emphasize that this is just a sampling of the problems that Hilton
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@ParkRanger2000
@ParkRanger2000 7 лет назад
"And I'll probably gonna ask you to not post that video, mister." * posts video *
@KhordKitty
@KhordKitty 5 лет назад
After the panel I asked him if he was ok with me posting it and he was.
@blueberryjollyrancher1821
@blueberryjollyrancher1821 4 года назад
@@KhordKitty *dont ruin the savageness*
@keanutoby2168
@keanutoby2168 3 года назад
dunno if anyone gives a damn but if you guys are bored like me during the covid times you can stream all of the new movies on instaflixxer. Been binge watching with my girlfriend for the last couple of weeks :)
@jaceemiliano3047
@jaceemiliano3047 3 года назад
@Keanu Toby Yup, have been watching on InstaFlixxer for since december myself :)
@AndyJame-nu3ni
@AndyJame-nu3ni 6 лет назад
Came here From Internet historian
@aarontheperson6867
@aarontheperson6867 6 лет назад
Same, this is hilarious
@cowbellystits3007
@cowbellystits3007 6 лет назад
Did u figure out who it is?
@aspicygamer4152
@aspicygamer4152 4 года назад
me to bruh
@comradejojo8412
@comradejojo8412 4 года назад
@@aarontheperson6867 ı think everyone is
@thomasschmidlin3296
@thomasschmidlin3296 3 года назад
Yeo
@cas126
@cas126 4 года назад
Internet Historian brought me here. Holy shit this was a glorious dumpster fire.
@davidperry4013
@davidperry4013 4 года назад
However, Dashcon is worse
@thomasschmidlin3296
@thomasschmidlin3296 3 года назад
Me to
@GippyHappy
@GippyHappy 4 года назад
This poor dude. He's out there carrying the weight of this disaster he didn't really have much control over- all by himself. I deeply respect his transparency.
@soraxstacy1477
@soraxstacy1477 4 года назад
Like Internet Historian said: Dashcon was a disaster by the organizers, Rainfurrest was a disaster by its attendees
@BlizzardtheWolf97
@BlizzardtheWolf97 3 года назад
@@soraxstacy1477 nahhh speaking as a furry it was actually both lol. rainfurrest had abnormally lax policies for a furry con, they often used the same wording as other cons but rarely ever enforced the rules/punished people violating the rules. one of their security staff got caught smoking weed on the job. most cons enforce their rules much better than this, and as a result you don't see bullshit of this magnitude out and about in public
@gamarleton
@gamarleton 6 лет назад
when a convention needs an intervention.
@Vailwolf
@Vailwolf 7 лет назад
Pretty simple. A con isn't a 'safe space' for disgusting behavior. Bigger cons like that need better security. There should be no one walking around in diapers and acting out sexual situations out in the middle of the main con. There should be no one in bondage gear, sniffing each others butts and humping inflatable pool toys (these are all things I have seen from this con) Every successful con I've been to keeps the main con very SFW and allows people to do what they will in the privacy of their own rooms. As adults you have the right to shit in as many diapers as you want, but you do not have the right to do it in public. Simple as that. Behavior like this is embarrassing and reflects so badly on the fandom as a whole.
@massivemeatgang
@massivemeatgang 7 лет назад
Vailwolf I couldn't have worded it any better...it's even sadder because non-furries base their biased opinions on the this incident
@punkgrl325
@punkgrl325 5 лет назад
Not just this incident. Furries have been hated since the 90s, maybe even the 80s.
@Carnage11B
@Carnage11B 5 лет назад
People should stop dressing as animals..🤔
@jam5533
@jam5533 4 года назад
@@Carnage11B Same could be said about cosplay
@MoskusMoskiferus1611
@MoskusMoskiferus1611 3 года назад
@@Carnage11B. Nothing wrong for dressing like Animals
@wulalion7747
@wulalion7747 8 лет назад
I feel bad for poor Trapa being the only one of the few willing people to come forth with information as to what happened. Such a great guy. But damn seeing him have to talk about this is depressing :c
@JesterHyhuahua
@JesterHyhuahua 8 лет назад
Same. It's a good and bad thing this information has been released, but this video has been extremely interesting to listen to.
@w3lf.35
@w3lf.35 4 года назад
Fuck you
@CellarDoorx06
@CellarDoorx06 4 года назад
Great guy....suuuuureee.
@SnotrocketXx
@SnotrocketXx 3 года назад
@@CellarDoorx06 Agreed, but have you ever interacted with him? If you have I may have more questions. please let me know
@Ice_Karma
@Ice_Karma 5 лет назад
It further occurs to me that the RF staff knew about the magnitude of the drug and alcohol problem with their con at least as far back as 2008 or '09. I vividly remember one furry getting totally trashed and deciding to climb the building like Spiderman, only to fall and injure himself severely, and another who made talked freely and widely about planning to smuggle drugs from Vancouver to RF up his ass. And these were not isolated incidents. So when Trapa says the security for RF2015 wasn't up to the challenge... well, no, it wasn't, and it never was, and they _knew_ this.
@najeyrifai1134
@najeyrifai1134 6 лет назад
What I like about it is that they didn't do a Dashcon and deny everything. They realise that their fandom is cancer and they're trying to fix it!
@vossboss220
@vossboss220 6 лет назад
Najey Rifai only issue is there is no fixing it cuz that would never fly judging from the sort of mentality spawned from these sorts of people
@najeyrifai1134
@najeyrifai1134 6 лет назад
Can't fault them for trying, eh?
@vossboss220
@vossboss220 6 лет назад
Najey Rifai I can for being ignorant. Truth is the internet kbows their fandom better than they do. This sort of stuff isn't possible to snuff out
@najeyrifai1134
@najeyrifai1134 6 лет назад
Fandoms want to survive. They can either shut themselves down (which, let's face it, they aren't going to do) or they can keep working towards fixing their fandom until it dies out naturally.
@DextersLab13
@DextersLab13 5 лет назад
I was the big guy on the toilet. Yes, at the time I weighed ~550 lbs. I was in the handicapped stall, tended to business, and when I flushed, the toilet exploded. I was told via email from the con chair later that it had been confirmed sabotage to the toilet. I don't remember much, except all of a sudden it was raining toilet water in the bathroom. I know it wasn't just me, as in the matter of a few seconds, I went from sitting on the toilet, flushing, to about 2-3 feet from the toilet, standing, having to balance myself against the wall. I was quickly soaked. I managed to pull my clothes back on and stumble out of the bathroom. People thought I was having a heart attack until I pointed out the water. I had to sit, soaked in toilet water, for 5 hours until a room was ready for me and I could get a shower. It was not fun, it was sabotage.
@DextersLab13
@DextersLab13 5 лет назад
Since that time, I've dropped 110 lbs and continue to lose weight.
@slappy8941
@slappy8941 5 лет назад
That was God's judgment on you for going to a furry convention.
@aspicygamer4152
@aspicygamer4152 4 года назад
@@slappy8941 sure was
@pokemaster123ism
@pokemaster123ism 4 года назад
That was a sign from god telling you to lose weight, and my man you have my respect for dropping 110
@CellarDoorx06
@CellarDoorx06 4 года назад
LMFAO!!!!!
@mayovkacoywolf6165
@mayovkacoywolf6165 8 лет назад
Most fur cons that I've looked into have a no drug rule, is there any special reason rainfurrest allows this?
@whifflingtit9240
@whifflingtit9240 7 лет назад
Rainfurrest doesn't allow it.
@basedsouljah
@basedsouljah 7 лет назад
You people are cute. You're simply daft and ignorant if you think youre going to be in a group of people in the Pacific Northwest without someone being on drugs lmfao, what drugs were the HUGE issue anyway? I can only imagine Crystal meth. "Overdosed on mushrooms" don't be a complete fucking idiot. You're all adults. don't act like you need an adult because niggas are doing drugs, for GOD sake. BE RESPONSIBLE.
@KhordKitty
@KhordKitty 7 лет назад
They didn't, it just wasn't enforced. Ultimately most of the drug use happened behind closed hotel doors so, hard to really invade someones privacy to catch them in the act.
@contentcreator8750
@contentcreator8750 5 лет назад
@So you don't have an angle, huh? go look at internet historians video on rainfurrest. There's more than just "people having fun".
@TopBadge
@TopBadge 4 года назад
@So you don't have an angle, huh? There were over 2000 used nitros oxide canisters. Bit of a fucking problem lol
@zephyrnok
@zephyrnok 8 лет назад
Based on the time-stamp on the infamous "Diaper Guy" photo (9-25-2016 7:49 PM), I find the "There was a pup-play panel that he was forced out of" argument pretty fallacious, since the only panels going on at that time are "Hackers, Locks & Cheese", "The Rise of Rocket Raccoon", and "Transformation Meditation" (acc. to rf2015.sched.org/ ). Granted, there is a Seattle PAH panel starting at 8 PM in that particular room (the secondary theater-- right next to registration, I might add, so where was security?)-- but why on Earth did this individual remove trousers in the outer lobby rather than inside the empty Secondary Theater? Even if the doors were locked in preparation for the 18+ event, one might assume that there would be enough sense in this individuals head to not strip in public. (Note that while the photo was uploaded to twitter on the following day in the morning, the original picture ((of which I'm in possession of)) was taken at 7:49 PM on Friday.)
@FoxyLoxley73
@FoxyLoxley73 7 лет назад
This is why people hate this fandom. Don't act like total idiots in a public space, please. Respect others and they will respect us.
@Ice_Karma
@Ice_Karma 5 лет назад
No, I'm afraid it doesn't work like that.
@Ice_Karma
@Ice_Karma 5 лет назад
To expand on that: Unfortunately the Vancouver furry fandom is _infamous,_ worldwide, for being _awful._ I don't have any better word. It's even infamous among _non_ furries in Vancouver. I will make no excuses for the furries here.
@Ice_Karma
@Ice_Karma 5 лет назад
Are all furries shitbags? No. Are all Vancouver furries shitbags? No. Are enough Vancouver furries shitbags that it's well-known that a nontrivial number of Vancouver furries are shitbags? Hell yes.
@kunstsein
@kunstsein 5 лет назад
Hate to break it to you, but there is nothing you folks can do, in order that other people will ever respect your group. That's simply not going to happen. Grown ass people, who are playing dress up like anthropomorphic animals. Nobody can take such people serious. edit: oh yeah, and there are things like "baby fur" and furry prego garbage and all the other perverted shit, produced by your group. Nah, resepct is not coming
@blueberryjollyrancher1821
@blueberryjollyrancher1821 4 года назад
@@kunstsein tbh the small amount of furries who are into that disgusting stuff(not the suits), and the people who joke about it sarcastically harm the community in its entirety. Well.. for the people who only see the weird sexual side and only wanna see that. Kind of like nazis, isis, and other groups that ruin the peaceful side of the races involved, its only about association and adding fuel to the fire. Also im sure about a hundred furries said this to you, but not all of them "play dress up" as you quite simply put it.
@chistinelane
@chistinelane 7 лет назад
Be waaay stricter, especially with drugs (something along the lines of an instant multi year ban), start vetting people, and hire people to keep watch. This shit is not acceptable and you need to show that if you ever want to keep these cons going.
@scuntymcfungus2574
@scuntymcfungus2574 7 лет назад
Yeah because how dare people be able to choose what they can and can't put in their body.
@aarontheperson6867
@aarontheperson6867 6 лет назад
yeah because even if it causes damage to other people's property and the people that use it become a public nuisance, they should *definitely* be allowed
@slut6345
@slut6345 6 лет назад
Scunty McFungus are you fucking dumb?
@aidankhan6194
@aidankhan6194 3 года назад
@@scuntymcfungus2574 it's the convention's business. Cuz god help a convention be allowed to create and enforce rules.
@DrBeary
@DrBeary 8 лет назад
WHAT KILLED RAINFURREST 2016? As I'm watching this, so far what I gather is they have a 2yr old retained as legal counsel. Now the spokesman (Trapa) just admitted his memory is bad thus this info might not even be accurate, what a bunch of crap, isn't this part of what caused much of the major issues in the first place? Where the hell is their legal counsel? So, the con staff are upset that someone called hotels and told them the truth, what actually happened at RF and now no real hotel wants to deal with them? Drugs hmmmm? I think the staff lead the drug atmosphere! Funny how the drug and diaper issues have grown with each year and only now the staff realises these issues are real? The issue is the entire staff are wannabes and this con grew to the size several years ago that it required a REAL professional security company, a REAL experienced legal team and a staff who worked more as a think tank to create procedures that would deal with the drug and diaper issues in a deterrent form on a psychological level then to communicate these ideas to the professional level legal and security teams. The solution IS NOT more voluntary staff! That is a cop out! The solution is a smarter and more united staff who realises they need to hire and work closely with professionals if they really want to run a successful con! I've run and been involved in a lot of large corporate cons and have never seen such incompetence as this but beyond the incompetence I see another agenda when they say how hiring the professionals I talk about above is so expensive, what about using some of that money you staffers use for your annual meeting, that big secret vacation you all go on?..... Transparent?
@realevilcorgi
@realevilcorgi 7 лет назад
"I've run and been involved in a lot of large corporate cons" Oh, I bet you have. I'm a brain surgeon. if you don't even care about what really happened at RF and you're just here to regurgitate some ED article I'm curious why you watched the videos. You have nothing but baseless accusations and "well I could have done it better" asides.
@dogguy8603
@dogguy8603 4 года назад
As someone in the security industry, contact security is hardly professional
@reamuji6775
@reamuji6775 3 года назад
27:33 The part where he talk about the saboteur
@causetherat308
@causetherat308 8 лет назад
So now there's more things to not like about this fandom.....why are furrys they're own worst enemy. First off I really doubt a fellow furry would have to tell other hotels what went on. Do you really think hotel staffs don't talk to other hotels? Not only do they talk. Then have their own conventions on how to run a hotel and convention space. And BOY do they talk. Of corse they are going to talk to each other. And it's a guarantee they've been talking for years. Blaming one person for this is like blaming a TV weather man for bad weather. Absurd. Put the blame where it belongs. On the dumb ass furries who need drugs to have a good time. Got a great idea for a charity. Active K_9 search and rescue. That way the dogs could be in the lobby as members are checking in. Support a great cause and clean up the fandom.
@nathanlong8295
@nathanlong8295 7 лет назад
cause the rat you're right also who ever is ban should stay banned they should be on the list of furries to not go to any conventions ever or be classified as defunct furries. Furries who can't go anywhere in general.
@basedsouljah
@basedsouljah 7 лет назад
Lol; no one goes to a con to get searched and fucking prodded by drug dogs. What a fucking joke. If *that* is your idea, then I'm glad this con got shut down.
@holyhandgrenade661
@holyhandgrenade661 5 лет назад
Ignoring the degeneracy of the con. I imagine having drug dogs would be a massive problem. Have you heard of Levi "snakething" Simmons? I worry about the dogs getting raped.
@user-bj1fs8ev8i
@user-bj1fs8ev8i 5 лет назад
As a furry myself, i hate furries.
@vilmatoledo2675
@vilmatoledo2675 5 лет назад
Lmao I can imagine a swat team as the security for a furry con
@PositionLight
@PositionLight 8 лет назад
Re: Spokane, the reason that you make a temporary move is because if you drop a year the con is effectivly dead and won't come back. It still had a bad rep in the Seattle area and all the attendees will find other events to attend or start their own. This is the 4th failed con in the PacNW. It's not like this hasn't happened before. I would have turned the event into a camping weekend or ski weekend that doesn't really need a hotel.
@Lycon721995
@Lycon721995 6 лет назад
I'm surprised not ONE person in this comment section has said who the guy was that did this. It's just confusing me
@aarontheperson6867
@aarontheperson6867 6 лет назад
no one knows, thats the best part
@fruit4evr
@fruit4evr 5 лет назад
Do u know who it is? Ive heard its Uncle Kage whoever that is
@spotsthenpc7796
@spotsthenpc7796 5 лет назад
Pretty much it coulh have been everyone According to the internet historian the hotel warned the other hotels but nobody knows who sent the letters. Could have been 4chan Trolls The hotel The guy who threw the diapers A noble Rainfurrest member who sow the shit storm that it was and took it up on himself to never allow it to happen again Or simply someone who was staying at the hotel during the con and show everything and didnt want anyone else to expeirience
@fruit4evr
@fruit4evr 4 года назад
@@moelester3474 some well known guy in the furry community or so I've heard idrk either
@fruit4evr
@fruit4evr 4 года назад
@@moelester3474 ya I'm a furry tho I'm really new too it so I've never heard if more prominent figure in the community like him
@Kuskus62
@Kuskus62 2 года назад
Someone should make a movie out of this disaster, make it 120 minutes long, full with a lot of actual scene, because I had no fucking idea what and how the hell this kind of disaster can happen.
@ryleo3726
@ryleo3726 3 года назад
Many furries out there, including me, owe our gratitude to you posting this video explaining RainFurrest's closure in very close detail - I've only recently known about some extremely social events themed for furries back then, but most of them shut down due to unknown reasons, and RainFurrest's closure was... a bittersweet event - no doubt many people's fond memories also dated back then, but due to the lack of strict regulations, it was sadly destined to fail. Hope there will be another similar convention but with stricter regulations; it seemed like a lot of fun while RainFurrest lasted!
@ScaleyHouseProductions
@ScaleyHouseProductions 8 лет назад
What he said about RF moving to spokane was almost word for word exactly how I felt. I even made a video on it on this channel before we found out about RF being cancelled. As someone that lives in Portland (and has made the trip to coeur d'alene, idaho for silverwood many times) there is simply no way the other local portland furs would go. Vast majority of people I talked to instantly responded with a "What!? No way I can go now." I got the same response from near every one I know in Cascadia.
@mandykarevicius9746
@mandykarevicius9746 6 лет назад
Somebody should send some Marine recruiting officers to the next furry convention.
@aarontheperson6867
@aarontheperson6867 6 лет назад
the place would get shot up
@blueberryjollyrancher1821
@blueberryjollyrancher1821 4 года назад
@@Harleyquinn_95 ive heard there were alot of people involved with the military who became furries.
@babykangaroo199
@babykangaroo199 2 года назад
@@blueberryjollyrancher1821 I am
@garybritt1483
@garybritt1483 4 года назад
I cant see the letter page not found
@Ice_Karma
@Ice_Karma 5 лет назад
Babyfurs are, with few exceptions, on the whole, the fucking _worst._ My first exposure to babyfurs was finding out that someone at a fur meet in a pub in London in late 2000 was wearing a diaper and had deliberately shit themselves in front of the whole assembled group _and_ the poor shell-shocked bar staff.
@fuzzymohawk478
@fuzzymohawk478 5 лет назад
Hotel chains talk. It was not one person. Hands off is a no no. I was at a girls in wonderland pool party event. The ladies were walking around with their tops off per hotel that was not to happen in public areas. The event staff stopped the music and told them to put their tops back on... per the agreement. If it happened again, they would cancel the event for the day. Then there was underage drinking in the upstairs, which occurred the event staff, put a huge stop to it with the bands. If you got caught you were kicked out. No refunds and barred from the rest of the events. They even did away with in and out entrances to the pool parties because of this.
@hotelofall7422
@hotelofall7422 4 года назад
What's the Wonderland Pool Party Event?
@fuzzymohawk478
@fuzzymohawk478 4 года назад
@@hotelofall7422 its a lesbian event
@hotelofall7422
@hotelofall7422 4 года назад
@@fuzzymohawk478 ight
@MegaDeathRay10
@MegaDeathRay10 3 года назад
It's not hard to figure out why it went bad
@pickler_pickler
@pickler_pickler 5 лет назад
So, does anyone know who it was that mailed the letters? So many people saying they know but no one is giving definite answers.
@KhordKitty
@KhordKitty 5 лет назад
Rumor was, it was Saphy. He's a safe scape-goat because NO ONE LIKES SAPHY.
@pickler_pickler
@pickler_pickler 5 лет назад
@@KhordKitty yeah I was looking at his Twitter he's absolute sjw Cancer
@nugsforme5569
@nugsforme5569 8 лет назад
This is so I'll say mes up..... There is one word that if everyone had paid attention to there would be no problem its called respect, respect the staff, hotel,people around you. I smoke weed at con's ....... How do I not get in trouble? I take my badge off and leave the property because I have respect. At ... Last year I found people having a puff in the f... Stairway I went right up to them and told them they are a bunch of fuc. Heads and to take it off the property and they did tragedy avoided so if u see someone smoking bud go up to them and tell them to take it somewhere else and to have respect!!!
@Jack-jz4ls
@Jack-jz4ls 4 года назад
So who was the saboteur ?
@jdunkle27
@jdunkle27 4 года назад
To anyone that has just come now, and is wondering who the sabateur is, and there's a few suspects, what we do know, is that they were most likely a "crinkler" and threw diapers onto the cars, and also sent the letters. In Internet Historian's video, he shows a few of these crinklers, so it could be one of them, and another one is the man in the Internet Historian video's opening scene where the man asks a furry about where they were, basically mocking her, and finally, we have our last suspect. In this video Trapa speaks very directly to the cameraman, saying things like not to post the video, and when he says he knows who it is (27:50) he seems to look at the camera a lot, i'm not making accusations, i'm just throwing out any idea of who it could possibly be, as it still really remains a mystery.
@lolz1rewzgwer
@lolz1rewzgwer 4 года назад
or maybe behind or near the cameraman... yeah it definitly look like he is looking at him at this time, if there were some photos, and we find out a guy near the cameraman knows the presentator or is in the staff or something like this, this would definitly bring some value :) edit: look at 29:19, he looks more on his right (our left)... I wonder how that guy looks like, it feels like he did that for revenge... It's the only way someone could destroy his own community.
@ohnobechill
@ohnobechill 8 лет назад
I'm aware that I am tad late, but I feel this needs to be expressed. I am afraid for our community. If this type of bull keeps happening we will end up with no conventions and our fandom will have a bad name for a long while. So please for the good of the whole, be wary of your actions.
@KhordKitty
@KhordKitty 8 лет назад
+Kellie Buder As I see it, behind every druggie is a group of their friends protecting their crimes.
@vilmatoledo2675
@vilmatoledo2675 5 лет назад
You already do have a bad name, and you’ve had it for a while.
@vilmatoledo2675
@vilmatoledo2675 5 лет назад
For Christ sake you guys need to at least control yourselves as grown adults
@user-bj1fs8ev8i
@user-bj1fs8ev8i 5 лет назад
@@vilmatoledo2675 there's really two sides to the fandom, and they're constantly at war. There's the people like the rainfurrest attendees, and theres the people who are not. Those who are not understand how to be a person and control themselves at a convention. Ive been in the fandom for a while and the differing sides absouletly hate eachother, and i myself absouletly hate and despise the degenerates who fucked up rainfurrest so bad. It's those people who gave the tolerant, respectful, and 'normal' side of the fandom a terrible name.
@vilmatoledo2675
@vilmatoledo2675 5 лет назад
Bees what I meant by ‘you guys’ in my reply, I was referring to the degenerates who did cause this horrible catastrophe
@over18irish
@over18irish 8 лет назад
very educational and a good discussion. I like the guy hosting the panel.
@PositionLight
@PositionLight 8 лет назад
Re Drug Use the con needs to find a Hotel/Property/Burning Man Style Wilderness area that's cool with drug use. Hell, Seattle hosts an annual Hemp Fest, there's bound to be a place that's "chill".
@Actonrf
@Actonrf 8 лет назад
I still not convinced were are and will ever get the truth what happens. I not sure abut the Hilton management keeping silent. If another hotel asked it would be a liability Hilton lied.
@SomeGuy-my7en
@SomeGuy-my7en 4 года назад
Cringy or not, I gotta admit that man actually has a really good voice
@TFlat
@TFlat 8 лет назад
1. Cool I didn't know that you had an active youtube channel 2. This is very understandable
@JesterHyhuahua
@JesterHyhuahua 8 лет назад
Sorry if I sound like I'm hissing a bit, but these people's actions are anything but understandable. Because of those people, a con got shut down. A con that served a variety of people, young and old, was shut down because it was more of a Hempcon than a Furcon. Not talking bad about the con, but about the people who ruined it.
@TFlat
@TFlat 8 лет назад
i'm talking about the actions done to the con. about what the higher ups did and shut it down and what not
@KhordKitty
@KhordKitty 8 лет назад
+Crimson The challenge is, figuring out what can a furry con do to stop people hiding drugs in their belongings?
@TFlat
@TFlat 8 лет назад
i'd say maybe give an area so people can partake in their drugs (that are legal). and just politely insist that you don't bring and use them on the area of the con/hotel. Also when it comes to general behavior, I'd just say, and i know it shouldn't be like this, to have the staff/security be more alert/ harsh on what is and what isn't allowed, and that their badges would get removed or some guaranteed punishment for said actions.
@animal16365
@animal16365 8 лет назад
+Khord Kitty you'll never be able to stop the drug problem. no matter what you do.
@scalerzodiark
@scalerzodiark 8 лет назад
Holy fuck, I've read the description and I'm actually shocked and I haven't even watched the vid yet.
@KhordKitty
@KhordKitty 8 лет назад
+scalerzodiark Yeah, unfortunately RainFurrest has a drug problem! Though the real challenge is how to find druggies when druggies are using the privacy of their rooms to hide the drugs! At the panel I was tempted to suggest that attendees can get discounts off of future memberships if they give a tip that successfully leads to a druggie behind bars.
@windglideangeldragon6486
@windglideangeldragon6486 7 лет назад
Khord Kitty I agree with you
@JebarisBlueNose
@JebarisBlueNose 7 лет назад
Something about this suggestion though seems incredibly unethical and something that furcons shouldn't be getting involved with, outside of enforcing the rules and dealing with problem furs who keep fucking up.
@JebarisBlueNose
@JebarisBlueNose 7 лет назад
Also, do you drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes? If so, don't be the pot calling the kettle black and using the term "Druggie". We're not bad people - We have our reasons for smoking pot, or shooting up, or rolling on molly, be it a "bad" or "good" reason.
@JebarisBlueNose
@JebarisBlueNose 7 лет назад
However, Drugs should stay out of con areas. Leave that shit for places elsewhere, or don't be obnoxious with your drug use at a con and be chill.
@professorsponge1554
@professorsponge1554 6 лет назад
first guy who talks about being at rainfurest at about 52 minutes: "That was so very progressive!" Methinks he was one of the diaper furs.
@Saphykitten
@Saphykitten 4 года назад
You're not wrong
@TrufiTaskbe
@TrufiTaskbe 7 лет назад
these people need to learn to be more firm, yet be just.
@theoriginalkittycat
@theoriginalkittycat 6 лет назад
when everyone in the comments doesn't bother to actually listen to the video and just comments about furry cancer or some other bs
@aarontheperson6867
@aarontheperson6867 6 лет назад
some guy sent letters to other hotels telling what actually happened.
@PaintGuru24
@PaintGuru24 4 года назад
does anyone have an answer to this question? I want to know if the saboteur, presumably the one behind the toilet and hot-tub sabotage and the diaper vandalism is a legit member of the furry community or if this was some sort of anti furry insurrection. I'm guessing the latter based on the letters sent to the hotels but does anyone know more?
@dutchvanderlinde3256
@dutchvanderlinde3256 6 лет назад
Who sent the letter?
@Armchaircavediver
@Armchaircavediver 5 лет назад
Dutch Van Der Linde Micah
@nickcheung7592
@nickcheung7592 5 лет назад
4chan task force ?
@leis7454
@leis7454 5 лет назад
@@Armchaircavediver who?
@jam5533
@jam5533 4 года назад
@@leis7454 Red Dead Redemption 2 character
@pokemaster123ism
@pokemaster123ism 4 года назад
From the comments on the Internet Historian Rainfurrest Q/A, lots of people suggest that it was a guy named Uncle Kage
@tonydanza6317
@tonydanza6317 2 года назад
Internet historian sent me here
@penguinsmovies
@penguinsmovies 5 лет назад
That guy at the end saying that stuff about the fire alarms is a bullshitter he hot boxed a room
@rockcandywolf5301
@rockcandywolf5301 8 лет назад
Lol, was that you scoffing at him about not posting the video, Khord?
@KhordKitty
@KhordKitty 8 лет назад
+Rock Candy Wolf Setsuna
@rockcandywolf5301
@rockcandywolf5301 8 лет назад
+Khord Kitty I realized after I posted that it sounded like I was calling you out on posting the video but I wasn't haha, just to clarify XD
@KhordKitty
@KhordKitty 8 лет назад
but yeh, he wanted me to first send the vid to the board to make sure it was all well and no one would get in any trouble. =3
@judasiscariot3369
@judasiscariot3369 4 года назад
I disabled the fire alarms
@mr.fahrenheit7009
@mr.fahrenheit7009 3 года назад
Eat your cereal
@redheadjedi2653
@redheadjedi2653 3 года назад
Im not a furry what so ever, but i do fell really really bad for this man
@TeDynef
@TeDynef 5 лет назад
This video would have 100 views if it was not used by the internet historian and its so funny to see furries fail so bad.
@KhordKitty
@KhordKitty 5 лет назад
Before the internet historian video came out we were at 8,600 views. So it helped, but for sure the furry community was still very shocked when the whole story came out. Everyone was blaming the babyfurs.
@John__-ie3od
@John__-ie3od 3 года назад
@@KhordKitty care to explain how the community is doing now?
@justinwrg570
@justinwrg570 4 года назад
This is fantastically interesting. This dude should be PM of Canada or POTUS.
@jacobklein8156
@jacobklein8156 3 года назад
Being in the baby fur community...
@user-ml5tn3en1y
@user-ml5tn3en1y 3 года назад
Bismillah rahman rahim, may Allah (SWT) guide them to the right path and protect us from this evil action alhamduillah ameen. 🤲🏽❤️
@soraxstacy1477
@soraxstacy1477 3 года назад
*ALLAHU AKBAR!!*
@annihilationgamingTM
@annihilationgamingTM 7 лет назад
Keep it in your fur:( sexual assault is not cool. A volunteer at a furry convention, wow! no background check ? wtf? well that's on you.
@frostedmilk2512
@frostedmilk2512 8 лет назад
Of course rainfurrest, the only con close to me. We need a con in spokane
@diffusewings4937
@diffusewings4937 4 года назад
Damn
@awesomeninja9178
@awesomeninja9178 Год назад
internet historain brought me here
@Ice_Karma
@Ice_Karma 5 лет назад
Yup, Trapa is naïve, sometimes... and he also tends to dig in his heels.
@Ice_Karma
@Ice_Karma 5 лет назад
And I love him dearly.
@therealonwuka
@therealonwuka 8 лет назад
cool
@travellingspud7972
@travellingspud7972 7 лет назад
Shroomies and furrsuits sounds like a lot of fun. It's too bad people took it too far. It is illegal, they are drugs, be respectful and a little discrete? =/ I don't know. I wouldn't try to start a rave in a grocery store (well...actually), pick your moments?
@NUKE7999
@NUKE7999 6 лет назад
This is fucking hilarious. Got a good laugh out of this. Thank You Internet Historian!
@britthazez6668
@britthazez6668 6 лет назад
ummm.... rainfurrest was in Seattle, rite? so thats in the us. so why did they talk about it at vancoufur...? does this mean that it's planning on moving to canada? interesting
@KhordKitty
@KhordKitty 6 лет назад
Trapa helped create both Vancoufur and Rainfurrest.
@Bobbingish
@Bobbingish 4 года назад
Hahaha our crusade against you is not over
@Sashowindfeather
@Sashowindfeather 8 лет назад
There was one property you could have gone to, but the 'rate' was to high.
@Zeodotcom
@Zeodotcom 4 года назад
Lesson learned, Destroy all furry conventions
@salsaucy2547
@salsaucy2547 7 лет назад
If I ever catch my kid going to a furry convention, he's not gonna be my kid for much longer.
@ThatAzureFluff
@ThatAzureFluff 7 лет назад
Yubby Yubby You sound far too young to start breeding.
@salsaucy2547
@salsaucy2547 7 лет назад
Kenny Paredes 19, young, wouldn't say too young.
@ap2659
@ap2659 7 лет назад
I'm with you. I'd beat my kid senseless if he wanted to go to one of these idiot conventions.
@zacharywood9416
@zacharywood9416 6 лет назад
Yubby Yubby Holy shit you're so tough, say more things
@joemomsahohoho6640
@joemomsahohoho6640 5 лет назад
LMAO comment made my day.
@Muttenmunch69
@Muttenmunch69 4 года назад
good riddance to bad rubbish.
@dying101666
@dying101666 5 лет назад
sucks. I really want to go to rainfurrest now.
@KhordKitty
@KhordKitty 5 лет назад
Try Anthro Northwest.
@Lunaneko.14
@Lunaneko.14 7 лет назад
Can Rainfurrest move to Miami please? I'm sure someone here will accept you with open arms!
@dozydoe5245
@dozydoe5245 4 года назад
Of course, because hosting the wildest furry convention in Florida, of all places, sounds like a fool-proof plan.
@Tehrawrzorz
@Tehrawrzorz 8 месяцев назад
It is one of the funniest fucking stories I have ever heare
@CrissaKentavr
@CrissaKentavr 8 лет назад
So, someone makes this sound unusual. It's not. It says staff could do something about this. They cannot. Whoever sent that letter was unprofessional.
@lurksnitchtongue8986
@lurksnitchtongue8986 5 лет назад
Yeah its not unusual to have people walking around with shit filled diapers and jamming towels into the hot tub pump. What was it, 2000 cans of whipits they found throughout the hotel? But no, staff didn't foster the kind of attitude that results in attendees bringing in multiple k in spent drug paraphernalia.
@Ice_Karma
@Ice_Karma 5 лет назад
Also lol, he's surprised nobody relevant was available and his talk wasn't scheduled properly? Hahahahaha.
@Hahaha-mt8ow
@Hahaha-mt8ow 5 лет назад
my friend would say “ok” but me i say “Y E S”
@Pellswick
@Pellswick 7 лет назад
Hmm. The organizer hates that no venue will take him or his con anymore, yet has $150K sitting in the bank...really makes ya think. He's knows more than revealing. The perfect scammer.
@realevilcorgi
@realevilcorgi 7 лет назад
I'm sure there would have been assloads of drama from the other board members if $150,000 disappeared.
@mildlyirritatedkpopstar4136
@mildlyirritatedkpopstar4136 5 лет назад
Lol, sounds like they were just having a lark!
@mmmbopgangsta7329
@mmmbopgangsta7329 7 лет назад
hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa.
@aidankhan6194
@aidankhan6194 3 года назад
Furries do be whillin
@ManuelPinner
@ManuelPinner 8 лет назад
Why Not get Anonymous after the Hotel Owners, This Why They wont be such Scumbags!
@KhordKitty
@KhordKitty 8 лет назад
Cuz .. it's kinda understandable why RF was kicked out. Any good hotel would see avoding liabilities in their best interest. Anon would more likely try to attack the staff of RF.
@Lycaon1765
@Lycaon1765 6 лет назад
That hotel is shady holding them hostage like that. Good riddance.
@penguinsmovies
@penguinsmovies 5 лет назад
Go shit in a pool furfag
@user-bj1fs8ev8i
@user-bj1fs8ev8i 5 лет назад
@@penguinsmovies but...but.. doesn't your icon dip into being a furry and a weeaboo???
@colwal7832
@colwal7832 7 лет назад
it was you're own fandom that ruined rainfurrest
@scarletjester8446
@scarletjester8446 6 лет назад
Col Wal Grammar
@slut6345
@slut6345 6 лет назад
Scarlet Jester when that is the only thing you can respond with. Elul.
@spinyfur
@spinyfur 8 лет назад
So, who's the furry who feels the need to write letters to every hotel in the area, telling them not to host RF? I can't see a motivation to do that except just to create drama. A person like that is dangerous, and everyone in our community needs to know who they are so they can protect themselves.
@KhordKitty
@KhordKitty 8 лет назад
+spinyfur Whoever it was was a sick sick individual who has no regard for anyone but themselves. That's clear.
@kyrrothylacine7430
@kyrrothylacine7430 8 лет назад
+spinyfur I can only imagine a disgruntled Burned Fur doing this. I do see drugs as a big problem in the fandom, especially during cons, but bringing down a whole convention is the worst way to address that.
@JLJ061
@JLJ061 8 лет назад
I wouldn't be surprised if the Hilton itself send red flags to other hotels who didn't know about the con's shady reputation. If I ran that hotel I most likely would have done the same thing to prevent recurrences at another venue.
@kyrrothylacine7430
@kyrrothylacine7430 8 лет назад
+SparkDalmatian I could be completely wrong here but wouldn't that violate some sort of law around slander? Also, what would the Hilton gain out of informing their competition of a bad deal? If they thought the furries brought in a significant enough amount of money, they wouldn't have kicked them out in the first place, so the Hilton worrying that other hotels hosting them doesn't make logical sense. Management would either spend a lot of their time or an underling's time contacting all of these hotels in the state and that's company money spent spreading slander. Remember, the Hilton's letter that basically tells RF to leave wasn't 100% legal and could be fought in court. For them to go an extra step to sabotage a non-profit organization is so highly illegal and immortal that it would be suicide for a company like Hilton if anyone were to find out, and doing it gives them no reward. That's why it seems very unlikely for them to do that.
@MrSpinyfur
@MrSpinyfur 8 лет назад
+Kyrro Thylacine I don't know about slander laws, but it withheld certainly violate the non-disclosure agreement they made with the RF board. So which of these seems more likely: 1) the Hilton's staff spend a lot of time writing letters to their competitors which would open them up to a lot of new legal liability, over a problem they'd already solved, or 2) some drama-seeking furry who was pissed at the RF staff spent a few days writing letters like that? I don't have any data, but I think it was number two. ;)
@Rudenbehr
@Rudenbehr 7 лет назад
If I was a hotel manager I wouldn’t host furries either to be honest, no matter how much money people in animal costumes throw at me. I’m a Seattle furry myself, and I can only guess the disgusting shit that happens in the more private spaces, much less the public spaces. This fandom is toxic as fuck. I really want to leave it but I love it too much...
@vossboss220
@vossboss220 6 лет назад
DoggosarenotPuppers thy name is Stockholm syndrome
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