This hit way too close to home. I accepted a job asking for a certain salary and they offered me a lower salary and a certain bonus structure. Six months into the job they changed the bonus structure from project based to salary based which made my bonus drop significantly. It’s two years in and I finally reached out to negotiate something different and they are telling me they can’t right now. Mind you, business has gone up during Covid for this company. I don’t blame her for not accepting a low ball offer because once you do, it doesn’t get better.
that is bs because other companies are offering higher salaries and bonuses yet other companies are telling workers because of Covid, they can't raise salaries.
I have never accepted a lowball offer. One time a company I worked for over 10 years try to offer me a significant amount less for a pay raise I left that job they offered me my job back less than a month later and I negotiated more than what I was originally supposed to get for that original raise. If you settle once they know you'll settle again.
show them that they have the funds and means to give you your bonus and compare it to industry salaries right now. if they still dont budge, your next move may be to switch companies.
@@danieljones5217 Of course you wouldn't ...unfortunately those of us without the 3rd leg don't get the benefits of having the extra support....women are usually "just lucky" to be in the room...no one's holding our seat or making room for us...that's part of the discrepancy and that's not even considering if you are a "mother"
@@danieljones5217 I've always been like this. Even when I was working my first (minimum waged job) I asked for 50 cents more and got hired. I was lucky to get that job, but I also got it because I had the guts to ask for more. I thank my dad for that. He always said, "the worst is you have nothing to lose. The best is you have everything to gain". Obvious (as seen in Monique's situation), that not always true, but I needed to hear it. A lot of women don't ask more because they don't have the confidence to take the risk.
The Shonda Rhimes Netflix deal made me so happy but Michaela Coel told how they low balled her and they wanted the rights to her work. Thankfully she passed. They definitely try to get away with screwing people that might not have leverage or clout to feel confident enough to walk away or demand more.
I totally feel this as a not-white dude also hustling in the show-business/performing arts world. I do acknowledge the position Mo'Nique was put in was a shitty situation. What I particularly felt was Viola Davis' statement regarding her pedigree/accomplishments in comparison with her peers of similar achievement. It's all too real, it persists everywhere and it's frustrating AF.
It always pains me to hear that line "I agree with your point but I don't like how you went about it". In many larger discussions it is an excuse given to justify the oppressing behavior and shame those who rebel against it. And guess what? Many have gone about it the more "polite" route and got nothing out of it.
That $500k is especially insulting considering how Netflix could easily have marketed the special as "Mo'nique's comeback special" and the number of people who would have tuned in just for that would have made them back their money.
was so not expecting this topic but i'm glad you made this video. i wish we had a breakdown like this back in 2018 when everything popped off and monique was ridiculed and disrespected on so many platforms. monique is a comedic icon and no one in the community could deny that. the misogynoir runs deep.
Brilliant commentary well done, so needed this today. I also have to say the backlash from the Back Men in our community towards her was also so horrid. She held her ground and now is being applauded.
the question is would he have been so negative if it was his daughter, niece? its sad to have seen his response especially as a comedian who knows how hard it is...
Thank you so much Chelsea for using your platform for standing behind Monique!!! You should really bring her on your show. I have stood by Mo'Nique from the very beginning. What is sad is there are people in our own communities who do not support her. It is very sad. Netflix also has the nerve to play re-runs of the Parkers, what a slap in the face. From what I am hearing she is still moving forward with her lawsuit. I sure hope she wins!
Holy.Freaking.Cow. omg. I legit had no idea. THIS. THIS is the kind of content you produce that just ELEVATES our understanding so much deeper than any basic budget topics(still important). Thank you. Thank you for covering the basics of personal finance and digging in deeper into stuff like this. I am moved. And floored. I cannot believe this happened I had no idea. I 100% agree with her wanting to counter offer when negotiating. That offer was a slap in the face. She deserved and still deserves better respect.
This is why I ultimately keep coming back to your channel. Thank you for recognizing the systemic issues we face, particularly our bright and equally deserving sisters.
Thank you for covering this subject. It hits real close to home for me personally. At a previous job,, I found out that an inept subordinate male colleague was making more than I was as his negotiations were accepted by the company's hr department at his hiring while mine was not. I was told that what I was offered was the highest they go for my position and subsequent annual review negotiations went next to nowhere for me. In the end, I left the company as I could not get anywhere near a satisfactory salary agreement. Retrospectively, towards the end I might have been as aggressive as the stereotypes suggest. But by then, I knew exactly how much more my male subordinates were making over me, and I was at my wits end.
Its become expected in many workplaces that you should be going above and beyond your normal scope of work. The argument for this is that your superiors will notice and you'll be rewarded doing so in pay or promotions, but that's hardly ever the case. More often than not, you get punished or looked down on for not taking on extra work, and going above and beyond is seen as "normal" and expected to simply maintain your current position.
And that's why its easier/better to do "dirty" jobs that no one else wants. OH, you want to low ball me on cleaning out your sewer lines? Ok, find someone else then. What's that, your basement is now flooded with sewage and you need it fixed right now? Well, I charge significantly more for that big of a cleanup... :D
Use the company to acquire experience and skills because they are definitely using you. When they don't reciprocate with more pay, look for another job or start your own business.
Mo'nique even recognize that what she did wasn't necessarily for her sake she was being public with not just the Precious situation but with the Netflix deal because it'll help others that will come after her. The YT channel Comedy Hype had several videos where she went into great detail about both situations.
Damned if we do and damned if we don’t INDEED. I find it audacious for anyone to question what someone else’s self worth is equivalent to monetarily. I applaud women who set the number high unapologetically. I found myself in a similar situation recently and actually got what I asked for! We have to stop accepting less ladies, it’s the only way to bring about the much needed change. Thank you for this, Chelsea!
Oh Chelsea you put your foot in this one!!! I love this video. I’m a current situation of scope-creeping as you called it and this was so relatable. Thank you for this!
Has nothing to do with 'misogynoir'. Name one joke from Mo'nique's set that you know, without using google or any other media. Name one of her projects after winning the Oscar that was big...As much as her husband loves her, he destroyed her career. He has 0 knowledge on how to manage her career and the past 10 years have been proof of that. Nobody ever even dares to bring up how someone like Sidibe Gabouré that played Precious, has had a stable career ever since she started. She kept working and has been in different projects. She was literally a nobody in the business when she started. Mo's husband has never managed any talent before but yet y'all remain comfortable in your bubbles of using social issues as an excuse for one individual.
I've followed Monique for a very long time. She is my aunty in my head lol. Watching her journey play out in the media I have learnt a lot about finding my own value and never compromising. She should become a study feature in all Universities. Her place is forever in the history books.
Thank you for discussing this. I always get so angry when people say women are just not good negotiators. I was offered a job and found out after the fact that they were going to pay me much less than my predecessor. I kept asking why and they kept changing the story. Eventually my boss said: a young woman doesn't need that much money and you should show you're thankful, otherwise you won't get your annual raise in january.' Eventually I had to give up, because HR and my higher boss got involved and they basically said I was being difficult and too emotional. And I didn't even have racism to deal with. If I were a WOC I probably wouldn't even have gotten the job in the first place.
I truly appreciate how inclusive your content has been lately. It really makes me feel like I can relate to and learn from your content even more. Thanks for addressing these serious detriments to financial stability
Let's be honest whenever celebrity women make headlines for their income it's always going to end up in negative discussions. I'm generally over the double standards and it's not going to go away anytime soon. We just have to keep trying to do better.
👏🏾 this is brilliant, I really feel for Monique it seemed like no-one was in her corner. I recently negotiated my wage, I had to send repeated emails, explain myself multiple times, ask and ask for an update. It’s been approved but 3 months in I still don’t have my contract. This video is a great reminder that I need to join a union!
Thank you for this alternate look on what i was seeing about Mo'Nique. I didn't understand at first reading the headlines when it happened, but listening to her and videos like this helped me with continuing to unlearn the biases that lead me to think she was "asking for too much".
This is such a huge platform, and I am beyond amazed...almost emotionally shaken...that a platform with a white woman at the helm of it tackled this issue in this manner. Chelsea, thank you for using this space to correct the narrative... this is what it always should have been. LOVED THIS CONTENT.
Thank you so much for this video! Something similar happened to me recently, I tried to negotiate my salary and it was declined, while my white male co-worker got a raise. He does the same job as me!
This is a great video. I have worked in IT for 20 years n have struggled with salary negotiation and so many of the items u touched on r so real. I will say I think it is easier now than 20 years ago. I hope everyone does their research n knows what they r worth.
This is my absolute top fave vid from you thus far. I followed the Mo'Nique fiasco back then & it's so great to see it explained & related to so well on this platform. I love what you say & I love how you say it, continuously cutting through the cookie-cut, convenient, lazy, half-truth social media crap that does more harm to us than good. Well done & thank you 👏🏾
I needed this. Currently in a fight with my coworkers against company. Trying to rectify us all being lowballed initially. All of us workers have power as a collective
Wow this is a great video. It’s great to hear your professional perspective on this. And you eloquently called out the people who were disrespectful towards her.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Period. I love that you are so balanced in your statements wanting to be well off but also sending the elevator back down. You can succeed and not become a crook.
This is excellent. Thank you for covering this topic. As a woman of color, I have first-hand experience with this subject. I've had to quit jobs because they refused to pay me fairly or promote me, despite high performance. But then when I interviewed for new jobs they question the job movement or "hopping." And I was penalized.
I look to the example of emmy, grammy winning Comedian Kathy Griffin. She was hosting CNN NYE when her duties went from 1 hour to 4 hours, she tried to negotiate a raise. She argued she writing, hosting, producing the event, and deserved to compensated fairly. Jeff Zucker was so FURIOUS she asked for this not only did he refuse, he DOCKED her pay and threatened to sue her.
For a position i took in 2019 i was offered stock to vest in 2020, that would increase my pay to the expected total compensation range. İ asked my boss at the time would you take a pay raise a year after taking a job? İ asked for additional compensation in 2019 to start right away. İ ended up getting both increases and i helped a friend get the same deal when she moved into the same role. İ always asks for what i think i deserve and help others negotiate their pay. I've never found it hurt to ask. The worst they can say is no.
And this experience makes you very lucky. While "the worst they can say is no," there are other things employers can do to retaliate and there can be long term negative repercussions.
Yeah. That's not the worst they can do. In "Right to Work " states and with racist and sexist employers, the worst they can do is begin a campaign of passive aggressive harassment that drives you out. I've worked in many places that get rid of all of those who help each other and confront management in any way.
İ work in a right to work state. İ do not advertise what I'm doing, and it's always done in a very political way. You have to learn how to play politics to climb the corporate ladder.
İf you don't take steps towards a better negotiation you will always be stuck with what is offered. İ have gone on to fight for people i have hired to get better pay and coached others to do the same. Maybe there will be some drawbacks, but i will never tell someone to just take what is given and I won't accept that for myself.
I'm currently working with two separate job offers and so far playing my cards very close to my chest and it feels so dirty to be trying to get the best money out of 2/potentially 3 competing offers. Why do I feel the need to be so "nice"
Because you feel bad for the wrong people. But those wrong people don't feel bad for you. So only be nice after they gave you what you want that you deserve.
Get what you’re worth - but don’t let salary be the only factor in your final decision. Seldom does the prestigious name or highest overall pay equate to a better experience.
Yeah. They really did Monique wrong. I was not sure what to think of it at first, it then when I saw the number they offered to Wanda and Amy, I was LIVID. I have been with Monique in this since she came out and said it in 2018. It’s SAD how this type of thing happens. I had a similar situation in my own career. And people are ALWAYS saying “it’s about how you say it” that’s complete BS. when someone doesn’t see you as valuable, you can be nice about it, mean about it, or cry and beg, and they will still have their biased opinion. Thanks Chels for bringing this one up. It’s a good one!
This is part of why educators are paid so poorly. Over the decades as it shifted to a more female-dominated role, salaries stagnated. Whenever they try to collectively negotiate for better pay, they are often shamed for doing so. They are also expected by society to go above and beyond their contract, working longer hours and extra duties, which is similar to expectations of women in our society.
Monique is absolutely talented and it's a shame that she is not respected as she deserves. There are a lot of less talented comediennes with zero accolades that are earning more. She deserves what she is asking for.
As a subbie to this channel, and a occasional watcher of the breakfast club, I felt a nice of humour when you quoted their "donkey of the day" quip. Overall, great vid on this subject generally. 👌🏾
Girl boss stuff annoys me so much. It’s such a capitalist takeover of feminism. If we really want to help women and poc we need to focus on language and education and movements that focus on the poor and working class to build a system that isn’t massively oppressive. All this individual-focused stuff does nothing to help the masses. Men don’t care about girl boss bullshit so they won’t join our cause. We want to lift up all the poor and working class and we can’t make progress if we keep in this capitalist framework. We have to democratize the workplace to end economic oppression- it will lift all working ppl.
Gosh! You are sooo articulate. I thought this was an insightful perspective. I personally didn’t agree with Mo’Nique’s handling of the Netflix issue but I didn’t even consider condemning her either. Showbiz is dirty at times
Amazing video, well done! Thanks for covering this issue (I know it’s super old, I’m catching up), but I was a much fairer perspective than I think a lot of media coverage at the time. I too was extremely disappointed in Charlamagne’s Donkey of the Day at that time. He could’ve chosen literally ANYONE else.
Thank you for creating such a necessary work concerning these realities and powerful truths! Let us begin to hold [men and the] biased institutions accountable in every way that we can! Great work! #takenoshorts
Just when you thought this channel is pretty nice and informative then bam 💥 you take it to next level channel I’m so proud to be a long term subscriber.
Ok so I was debating whether I wanted to watch this or not. This is one of my favorite channels. I clicked while wincing......I'm still Team Chelsea💃🏾 There is always thought behind your words.
