There are so many websites and reviewers out there who have always been writing, reporting, or reviewing this topic. Hundreds of measured values, graphs, tables and much more. But none of them portrays the situation as simply, yet ingeniously and vividly as you do. Thank You!
Thank you so much for the clear and informative explanation of ghosting issue in monitors. You helped me to reach a conclusion: "I don't care about ghosting at all"
great video!! now I understand why all the 4k test videos I see on YT when I type "4k display demo" in the search box are moving very slowly, this allows pixels to get the right color and you aren't noticing ghosting phenomenon
Really good video, I’ve been dealing with inverse ghosting for 2 years on my Samsung monitor and it’s reeeaaallllly annoying. I’m going to be looking out for more of this stuff now because of this thank you
I just bought a very cheap IPS for under 70 USD! It's 24 inch 1080p with 180Hz. I tried all the ghosting tests and motion blur tests in the UFO test and I don't see bad artifacts in the monitor. It's set to extreme overdrive but I don't see any inverse ghosting. A good buy in my book. The brand is ELSA but I think it's a sub brand of Nvision. I just can't believe how cheap I got this.
Before it, i'm always think something wrong in my PC like frame drop or anything else but now i know the problem on my monitor 😅 .. i use Qhd/2k 144hz at 120-130 fps but always seeing shadows on object if moving fast .. by the way 'ghosting' can broke my eyes not good for health .. there is hot issues for the development factory to make real respon time 1ms not gimmick marketing
Did you happen to test the 24" MISURA MM24DFA? With 200Hz and a curved screen it seems like to good to be true for the price. I also see videos on RU-vid how to fix ghosting, is this possible or is it technically inherent and therefore a no-go?
Here wanting someone to answer my question. The problem of VA ghosting in dark sections can be improved if I play to lower frames? Hades, Tunic and platform games is where it suffers most and I don’t see the need to play more than 60fps. I want the Asus VG30VQL1A and I worry about ending up with a monitor that gives me more problems than joy
amazing video but for me i stay with my old sharp va panel for me ips glow are disgusting and va (monitor over 60fps ) have too many ghosting i tried both va 165hz MAG321CQR and ips 165hz msi too and i returned both my sharp tv have better color no glow and less ghosting and less black smearing
Hey can you make a video on CRT monitors? they're getting a surge, many say the quality is better than any tn or IPS panel of this decade, high end crt being those Samsung Triton monitors
That's a tough ask- modern video cards don't support VGA, and I'm not aware of any modern high refresh rate CRT monitors. Not saying it can't be done- it's just hard to find resources. If you have recommendations, I'm all ears
@@UnknownUnknown-cd4hh Trust me , after using CRT monitor the all flat panel type monitors become a scrap. CRT always gives the best performance for everything. Gaming, cad drawing.
okay hear me out U might not be as stupid as I am But I reset my pc like a week ago and I never installed nvidia base driver I just got the game ready from geforce experience You would think windows would just do monitors hz but . today I realized I was on 60 hz on a 144hz monitor and that was causing all the ghosting .. So just letting you know JUST IN CASE!
The IPS looks much worse in your example with white text on black background. the white letters are flickering like crazy and would have given me a migraine with extended use
@@michalthekind whats funnier is, “MBR” is literally the same as “Fastest”, just with lowest brightness 😂😂😂 should’ve bought a cheaper, but better, 24 - 27” monitor… or, just gotten the G7. 😅
@@michalthekind Imagine “down-grading” to a 1080p, 24” monitor because Samsungs flagship “budget” monitor is literally THE WORST… funny thing is, probably more than half 1080p, 24 - 27” are 100x better than G5
Short story All my life I had ips bought semi expensive va in 2024, god why!!! (honestly baited into that bs by youtube and my own stupidity never trust in va NEVER) sold it and got oled, zen for few months/year if you have to and get oled, your eyes will thank you, godspeed
just bought a va panel, mine has no ghosting or inverse ghosting almost as smooth as my 240hz tn benq xl2540k not quite there yet but WHAT I DIDNT EXPECT it fucking looks like shit, i bought it thinking it would have better colors it really doesn't and also it looks blurry as shit for what ever reason, viewing angles are even worse than my TN even though va panels are much faster DONT BUY ONE THEY LOOK LIKE SHIT, ips is truly superior even though the contrast ratio sucks, VA colors suck contrast ratio is better but it looks blurry[test looks blurry etc] even with sharpness turned up and washed out.
This vid is quite literally the best on the internet for understanding this subject. Easy to digest yet still gets into the technical and harder to understand things with great explanations with the real world examples. Thank :)
I bought a gaming VA monitor from MSI 3 years ago. It said 1ms response time and wasnt that cheap so i thought i was getting something good. The blur was so annoying. Im glad you mentioned Hades because thats one of the game i played on it and i couldnt believe how bad it was. Since then i have always research what monitor to buy and i settled for an IPS panel and ghosting is completely unnoticeable if thats there at all. The colours are so vivid and it makes everything better too. Good video, i liked the examples.
The first video I've come across in my search for a ghosting solution that was actually helpful in helping understand what is happening and why. Thank you, sir
Always knew what was the definition of ghosting and inverse ghosting but never saw the actual effect of it shown in such a detailed and practical manner. Great video as usual man.
This is easily the best video on the subject thanks to clear explanation and a lot of examples. It will definitely come in hand when choosing my next monitor
I never knew VA, IPS and TN until I know now, so my monitor 240hz VA, I noticed different on video probably he puts slomo on video to show very difference
Spent about 4 days of non stop reading, watching and digging forums about ghosting/smearing on VA -- since I want to get 27 2k curved monitor, and set my eyes on Gigabyte G27QC. Some mention it, some ignore it, some say it is there, but only matter if you care about it (great answer, indeed...). Not sure how GAMING monitor with smearing can have Gaming at 8.2 on Rtings... No idea how it works, really. The sad thing is - I just have to find some huge store with working monitors, and creep around, comparing ISP with VA, until I just find what I like.
Problem is the quality of VA panel monitor. I mean, let's look at high quality IPS vs VA panel. You know who wins? Check out hardware unboxed charts (best monitor reviewer ever). Hint: Samsung Odyssey G7 (VA panel) beats all of the IPS / Nano-IPS monitors in terms of response times, therefore you won't see any ghosting or smearing as you have shown on the video.
@@Frank_Pods Even now as second hand it's a pretty good price. I've bought a brand new one for 350 euros. That was a steal. But the next price in my country is 375 euros. That's not too bad either. Prices are for the 27inch version. With second hand I've seen them around 300 euros. Mostly 300 though.
something I would like to mention, the UFO ghost test is representative of both monitor ghosting and interpreted ghosting (ghosting you see from lower refresh rates), not interpreted ghosting of a camera. By that, I mean that the camera has to match speed with the UFO and follow it in order for you to see the amount of ghosting you would see when gaming or tracking a moving object. If you compared both monitors while tracking the moving UFO, we would see a large difference in motion clarity, especially dark level transitions
Thank you so much! This makes it very clear unlike other reviews that barely mention Ghosting. Could you please recommend a 32inch qhd monitor that doesn't have this issue while being freesync, preferably over 120hz.
Thanks! I learned a lot from this. How do hertz come into play with all this? Gaming vise. Are they just important? Less important? Edit: I have an old Asus VS247 (which advertises 2ms GTG), and gaming is REALLY painful. Can't see much in shooters, either I'm moving the camera fast or the targets are fast, so all I see is a blur. And games similar to the ufo test, are painful to look at. Especially when its the background that's moving fast, while the player/target is stationary. I only bared to play one game like that a bit, and I had to keep my eyes off screen and just look through my peripheral vision, so the blur doesn't hurt my eyes. And if both player and target are moving I can hardly tell them apart. xD
Hz and framerate measure the same thing(e.g. 60Hz = 60fps). There's 2 parts to framerate- the #of frames your computer can produce each second, and the # of frames your monitor can display each second. For fast paced games like shooters, I value framerate above everything. This means I would play games in potato quality (low graphics, 720p) just so I can max out the monitor's framerate. Ccasual games like farmville, Hz doesn't matter as much. Your monitor seems pretty old (2012?). Maybe it's time to look at buying a new one? :)
@@ReviewsForLifeYT Gottcha! Yeah makes sense. So basically both are important to have good gaming experience. good response time means things will look clearer moving, and high hz means youll actually see it at higher speeds, rather than just teleporting across the screen. Yeah, its silly I can run shooters like Apex at above 100-140fps no problem but its pointless on my screen. Yeah its super old, and I've been looking into new ones, just need to gather enough munniez and see whats available in my country when I do. xD Thanks man!
I have this ghosting problem on my tv and i cant turn it off it only has one option called noise reduction is there any external device i can use like edid emulator or displayport to make the picture look clear thx in advance.
I've watched so many video reviews of electronic products and I am sure this is the best, details, understandable with perfect example of the subject. Well freaking done!
there's an interesting observation also, I have the ViewSonic vx2428j, it has a 1 ms response time (GTG) but when enabling the ultra-fast mode, a white ghosting appears, but the catch is that this only occurs in the user defined colors, meaning if all red, green, and blue are set to 100'% brightness, the issue will show, that's different from using the built in modes, like bluish, or native, when using them i notice that the brightness goes down a bit and the ghosting disappears completely when enabling the ultra-fast mode, it's interesting.
I'm so disappointed I had to see the horrible effects of ghosting the hard way on a new monitor I bought recently. The effect on Hades is exactly, if not worse than when I'm playing XCOM2. It's unbearable. I had to return and I'm sticking with an IPS display until VA technology can be on par.
I's a paradox but the VA panel was better in 2014 than now. I bought a VA monitor to replace my old one: refund, I've never see so many ghosting in my life !
They are already on par. The new Samsung Odyssey G7 VA panel is outright one of the best panel available even when compared to high end IPS. You get to enjoy high contrast of VA without the usual ghosting and long response time issue (even better than many high end IPS out there). Unfortunately they only made it 27" 1440p as of now, no other monitors use the same panel yet and I don't understand why
Thanks for the video. Before this video I was sure that all IPS monitors have a good response time. Even cheap office Lenovo models are really good. Much better than "gaming" LG 32GK65B-B 144Hz monitor. Problem is mostly not noticeable in modern games (like Cyberpunk 2077), but in games on older engines (like Black Mesa) it is seen immediately. Mostly on areas like floor grilles, which turn into a mess as soon as character move.
I was playing black mesa for the first time not that long ago and the first area has the floor grilles it completely threw me off playing the game because it gave me a headache every time I moved.
omg finally someone who explains properly ghosting and overshoot. Thank you so much. Really useful information. Just one question. What do you think about the Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ1A 27" 2k 170Hz? Is it good in terms of color, ghosting and response times?
I've been using a 200 nit AOC monitor 60hz from 2011 till today 😂 and reached 110k~ on gridshot ultimate(aimlabs) upgrading will be huge but i really dont think 0.5% of a difference in same budget range should matter, but hey, adds to knowledge
I run my VA panel Overdrive for almost 3 years, it's broken now XD. Ghosting in VA is really noticeable on CoD games or much more darker games you can really notice it. Or even moving the mouse cursor on darker ends of the monitor you can definitely see it. I mistakenly bought a VA panel instead of IPS its the biggest disappointment I got.
Great stuff! Did you get a chance to test Samsung M7 32 inch monitor? Are all VA panels same ? My major usecase is coding. so I read text, I scroll text, zoom in zoom out, etc a lot. please suggest.
Holly biscuits thank you for this video. In csgo its very prominent on the map cache and dust2 I always saw the white highlights and I couldn't figure out why it was happening and it hurts my eyes. Since day one with my monitors I always turn on super fast response time but I'll try the advanced now and hopefully it will be better, Always thought it was my settings in games lol
i just discover this effect from review on cheap curve 200hz monitor that cost only 100$ usd. lol i think i just happy with my 75hz and not having this kind of problem.
idk if youll still answer questions but how about MVA panels? im currently looking to buy a monitor that says it has an MVA panel which after doing a couple searches says that it is a little better than a standard VA panel. What are your thoughts on this
