What PREMIUM GAS Does To Your Motorcycle! (NOT GOOD!)

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What does premium gas with ethanol do to your motorcycle engine? In this video, you can see the results on the pistons and cylinders after ~5800 miles of running 93 octane premium level gasoline with ethanol. Is ethanol free better?
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@rob8379 3 года назад

The title is misleading. Should be Ethanal vs. non-Ethanal gas.

@denyspoyner4150 3 года назад

Eth- anal ?

@boomerguy9935 3 года назад

@@denyspoyner4150 In the old days, there was Eth-yl (leaded) and now we have her brother, Eth-anal

@denyspoyner4150 3 года назад

@@boomerguy9935 LMAO, I'm old enough to remember fully leaded gas.

@boomerguy9935 3 года назад

@@denyspoyner4150 Do you remember the AMOCO/American Oil Co.'s "clear" premium (high octane) gas that did not have lead? I never knew what they used instead of tetra-ethyl lead. I think the purpose of this "clear" gas was to keep the engine clean and still soften the blow of the valves on their seats. I used to run it in my MG. It was 45 cents/gallon and it got 45 mpg. That's right, a penny a mile. Yes, I'm that old!

@denyspoyner4150 3 года назад

@@boomerguy9935 No I don't. I just turned 51 two weeks ago.

@boomerguy9935 3 года назад

Using the word PREMIUM is misleading. I take that word to mean HIGH OCTANE in all gasoline, ethanol and non-ethanol. I use PREMIUM octane, non-ethanol gas in my motorcycle and my mowers, weed eater and leaf blower. I use REGULAR octane, 10% ethanol in my car and truck. Your title had me scared that I was doing something wrong first. Please clarify the definition of your terms at the beginning of your videos for slow learners like myself.

@NavvLife 3 года назад

Ok boomer

@jase1911 3 года назад

10% ethanol in your vehicle's is killing your motors

@elwoodcris1946 3 года назад

Boomer Guy same here

@snomobila 3 года назад

definitely agree. the "Head of blocks" isn't quite up to speed on gasoline. If you got a carburetor and want it to last, better keep the ethanol OUT of it. Shit is like cancer for your engine. But hey, it gives the farmers a reason to grow a shit load of more corn for "eco friendly" fuel.

@billyjones7899 3 года назад

I feel like the title of the video is kind of misleading. I clicked on this to hear a discussion about why higher octane fuels aren’t good for motorcycles. This is strictly just a conversation about fuel with ethanol. Premium fuel doesn’t contain higher ethanol then regular, it’s strictly just octane rating.

@grantbierlmeier7641 3 года назад

I agree with you - didn’t learn anything about premium from this video - I did learn about emissions control so there is that - but not what I expected

@ThatChuckGuy 3 года назад

I came here to make this exact statement. Usually around me, premium is the only grade guaranteed to not have ethanol, so the title is almost the exact opposite of what is said.

@DanielGoller 3 года назад

Grant Bierlmeier well, ethanol boosts octane and is used more in high octane fuel. Using premium in an engine that doesn't have compression high enough to need it is just a waste, as lower octane fuel actually has more energy than high octane (high ethanol content) gas. I need 89 in my bike and every once in a while put 93 for the higher additive content, but could just as well buy a well reviewed system cleaner, and would likely gain more from it. Matter of fact, I'll go order one right now.

@samc12345 3 года назад

I agree with everyone else. Consider changing the title. It is quite misleading and suggests a conclusion when the content of the video is more of an open discussion than a definitive instruction. The video itself is top quality and good content as always though. 👍

@tgoodfella4290 3 года назад

It’s all about the clicks

@petelarrier1811 3 года назад

The only thing missing from this conversation was some cold ones. Nice video.

@H011YW00D1117 3 года назад

Pete Larrier right? The one thing I was thinking this whole video was goddamn I wish I could sit down and drink a beer with these guys.

@TobyNorthEN 3 года назад

100% agree!

@emiller2236 3 года назад

Right, it’s rare no good drinks and food in the video lol

@user-oi1cf4on7s 3 года назад

👍👌

@sickwideglide 3 года назад

Sounds like we all need to sit down and discuss some sh*t over a cold one ot three...who’s in?

@neil4602 3 года назад

Vent your breathers to a catch can and use ethanol free gas when possible. Alcohol corrodes and deteriorates aluminum, avoid when possible. The carbon on your pistons is most definitely from oil blow by. The white pitting and erosion is from the ethanol.😉

@NarwhalBMX97 3 года назад

Agreed.

@Vbeast 3 года назад

Yep, spot on.

@VeritasEtAequitas 2 года назад

Incorrect on the ethanol. Those are essentially myths. Lifetime mechanic, engineer now, former chem, family & friends also engineers, mechanics incl. ASE Master & GM World Class. Ethanol keeps the fuel clean and dry. These are not boats sitting on the water.

@candlstudios 3 года назад

Ethanol free gas isn't an option in my area so I don't even worry about it. I still want to see a piston with 5000 miles on it that burned nothing by pure gasoline. I suspect it will look very similar.

@chrisdawson8252 3 года назад

I suspect similar results. Remember, the build up builds more compression 😂

@mrvwbug4423 2 года назад

Also, remember, it's an air cooled motor, the tolerances are looser to account for more thermal expansion, they always have more blow by than a modern watercooled motor.

@RickyNotSoMartin 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing this Block! No big egos, just a super interesting conversation from people that know their stuff. Learned a few things! I appreciate it

@OneCycleClub 3 года назад

Here in Brazil there isn’t ethanol free option. All fuel has at least 25% of ethanol. We call it pissline (mijolina).

@TheBeardofDOOM 3 года назад

Even here in the US it gets harder and harder to find. In FL where I (and Block) live, it is everywhere for all the boats, but when I go on a trip, unless it is up the coast, everything has ethanol.

@mariotelucas 3 года назад

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@redrider0151 3 года назад

In the US "most" gas has at least 10-15%....its stated on all the gas pumps. The ethanol free stations here in NC as least in my area, its only 87 octane that you can get ethanol free....so I would have to get a different tune for my bike, as with a performance tuner they usually advance your ignition, which means you need to run a higher octane fuel that will burn longer....

@TheBeardofDOOM 3 года назад

@@redrider0151 bummer. The place that I go to right by the river has 91ef

@bobbyschroeder7068 Год назад

Ethanol burns cooler than regular gasoline. It requires lower combustion temperatures. Also, it creates a thermodynamic cooling effect that regular gasoline doesn't offer. This is quite beneficial because E85 helps keep the engine cool.

@Astrix_Jaeger 3 года назад

They said "alcohol" so much that I got some beer while watching this.

@robertlumsden942 3 года назад

great conversation. nice to hear the techs talk. oh one thing - i must commend you on putting out so many videos. i subscribe to just a few and they have pretty much stop putting them out or just a few a month. i know these are alot of work but just wanted to tell you i appreciate your time. hope you dont burn out as i think others have.

@MrNosajwhitey 3 года назад

This so cleared up some confusion for me about the oil breathing set up for engine's

@twodogs2076 3 года назад

Luckily our premium unleaded fuel here in Australia doesn’t contain ethanol. It’s labeled as E10. Our premium 98RON is equivalent to your US 93 dead dinosaurs but no Ethanol

@bernzeppi 3 года назад

Two Dogs I’ve got a Yamaha MT-01. I tried premium 98 and it stalls. Back to 91 and purrs like a kitten with no fuelling problems. Just pointing out higher octane is as bad as E10 for a big bore (1800cc) V twin.

@bernzeppi 3 года назад

TeensierPython - yeah but it’s not premium. Premium is as bad as E10 on account it burns hotter and doesn’t suit the tune of a big bore bike. Standard ordinary 91octane is the right stuff... not E10, not 98.

@ZeroFallout1 3 года назад

@Ryan L 91 to 93 you should be fine. 89 in emergency aka no higher octane on your long ride. Just make sure to put in higher fuel at next fill up. Higher octane like 98 and up is bad for your bike.

@lelap2239 3 года назад

on the west coast, you can't find any gasoline that doesn't contain ethanol. The challenge out here is finding stations that carry fuel with no MORE than 10% ethanol

@arag1574 3 года назад

Good to see this now, I just got a grom last week, and have to swap the frame at some point

@MeathedMoto 3 года назад

Thankfully we have 91 up here in South Dakota ethanol free. Sometimes have to run the blend but try to avoid it 99% of the time. I'm running an S&S air cleaner like yours now Block and it routes blowby down instead of back into the intake so it should help greatly!

@jeffharper6259 3 года назад

In Ontario, CA some city gas stations sell 94 Ultra which contains zero Ethanol. Some other brands claim little or no ethanol, but I prefer to stick with a proven product. Your video makes it clear that avoiding ethanol-based fuels is a sound policy.

@derekvachon1911 3 года назад

Ethanol is really popular in performance applications because of its octane content and knock resistance. The biggest contributer to carbon build up is oil burning. This is why oil catch cans are becoming so popular. Ethanol gets such a bad rep because it creates a jelly like substance when it sits for long periods and clogs up fuel systems.

@BaggerBro 3 года назад

👍 finally 🙌

@kylesullivan5826 3 года назад

Ayeeee Blockhead!! Much love man!

@wcraiderevo8078 3 года назад

Don't forget that all of the rubber that comes in contact with the fuel is also designed for gasoline and not ethanol. Higher percentages of ethanol extract oils from gaskets and fuel hoses which add to the deposits. Good info by the way. Gotta see if that gas station that used to carry aviation fuel still sells it.

@guitarplayerlp7018 Год назад

ever wonder why so many cars are catching fire these days, cause people are using ehtanol in cars that are not setup for it to save $ as its cheaper but the O-rings and seals are deteriorating, fuels leaks - bang !

@TitoPLLE4444 3 года назад

So I Did Yr 1, 2 & 3 of Marine Tech At Eau Gallie, if there's one thing I learned is to not run alcohol; unless you have an Evinrude (but those aren't commercial 😅)

@boomerguy9935 3 года назад

The comments about the "blow-by" should be in a separate video with details about how it used to be, why it got this way and how to modify it so that it is VENTED TO THE ATMOSPHERE in an EXTERNAL CRANKCASE VENTILATION SYSTEM. There is a ton of info out there on this. I vent mine to the atmosphere on my Sportster and it cost me less than $10. There are some expensive and fancy mods out there which I consider unnecessary, but they are there if you like extra bling. In the old days, a lot of people vented this to drip on the drive chain -- a little messy, but it worked. Before the days of the PCV valve, there was a catch can in cars which had to be emptied and cleaned periodically. Same thing as these mod's available.

@willwalker5594 3 года назад

What brand octane boost you using during your non ethanol test? How are you measuring it when you fill up?

@loganberry7209 3 года назад

Here in Tampa the only ethanol-free gas we have is 89 octane. Do you think I'm better off running that or 91 octane with e10?

@anthonydixon6024 3 года назад

Kool, video man... Lot of knowledge.!!! Thanks for the upload 💯👍👍

@fullspendadventures 3 года назад

Great content and info. Thank you 🙏🏻⚡️🤙🏼🤘🏼

@mynamedoesntmatter9013 3 года назад

For corn fuel: it is undeniably better as race gas, but only as race gas. It sucks for every day use. Do yourself a favor and get a composite fuel tank for newer bikes. For oil: always run a catch can. Instead of burning it off in the engine, you can dump the collected oil back into the oil tank. Just remember to tune the bike afterwards.

@paulciminelli1905 3 года назад

Nice info I started running non ethanol this past weekend with smsoil octane boost with it

@BigSmittyRiding 3 года назад

Not an ethanol fan but around Houston it’s hard to find ethanol free gas. Used it one time on a trip in Arkansas and my fuel mileage jumped significantly on my Street Glide. Good convo and a good vid.

@fastlane1568 3 года назад

Hey I’m from Houston too! Buccees is the only place I know of that has it

@BigSmittyRiding 3 года назад

Fast Lane 15 exactly! I go to the one on I-45 in Texas City every chance I get.

@Rshackleford8810 3 года назад

Just my two cents, but I prefer non-ethanol and so does my old carbed bike. It just seems to run better. At an extra 50 cents a gallon it is more expensive and harder to find, but with a 3 gallon tank it ain’t bad!

@DanielA23 11 месяцев назад

I was running 76 gas for years, switched to Chevron and not only do I get way better mileage but the vehicles all run better and its actually cheaper overall due to the mileage difference.

@RoadRashHD 3 года назад

I run 94 octane non ethanol in my Harley and my Suzuki from Chevron here in Canada. That is all that goes into my bikes

@monteman1971 3 года назад

Nice conversation but it had no conclusion on what options to keep those pistons clean if you have no choice other than gas with ethanol.

@tommyarnold890 3 года назад

If I have been running standard 93 dead dinosaurs and switched to ethanol free with an octane boost additive on a carbureted engine, would I have better performance or am I asking for problems? Especially coming into colder months?

@daniellang6112 8 месяцев назад

Learned long ago,NEVER trust an oil injection pump. Pre mix all your gas or bring oil with you.

@marchnte 3 года назад

I’m gonna have to agree with Erick @baggerbro on this one. The only pro literally to throwing the oil in to motor is for epa purposes and because it’s cheaper for manufacturing. I’m sure it’s cheaper to say “oh let’s just dump oil back into the engine and tune it according to that” it’s more expensive for Harley to actually manufacture bikes with an external breather system to avoid dump oil into an engine. Solution, have a tuner and an external breather system. Or leave it and forget it. In the end it’s not necessary but instead just lazy and cost saving really. But what do I know.🤷‍♂️

@BaggerBro 3 года назад

Thank you!

@oso_nomada 3 года назад

I run 93 “Clear” Gas (ethanol free) on both my 2019 ScramblerXE 1200 and 2017 Heritage Classic 103. The fuel station is two blocks from my house!

@chrisdawson8252 3 года назад

That's convenient

@pov_as_mr 3 года назад

i have the vstack and external breather that you installed on the 48 a while back from DK customs and have it mapped with the dynojet 2 into 1 and intake map. I've been running 93 for over 5k miles... should i stop and just run regular?

@Yamahog 3 года назад

Great Vid BH . Would have been awesome if Mike and Chris could have shown some diff's on piston condition from the two differing fuel types., etc. as for my cage and Bike .... Bike has never to my knowledge seen the Canuck ethanol gas. so no issues.... And yeaaa, I stopped using PetroCan gas two yrs ago ....went to Esso.... but the Esso stuff, seems to be wet, so I've added conditioner to the cage tank to hopefully alleviate acceleration issues, etc. Thanks for the heads-up.

@keithowens2255 Год назад

I knew I had Mike as an instructor. I was thinking the whole time he looks and sounds so familiar. Wicked smart dude.

@chrisdawson8252 3 года назад

At first I was filling non etahnol fuel, 89 octane. And I ran it without any octane booster. Manuals says 90 octane but the compression ratio on stock 107s isn't that high that it's a big deal. Then after the 93 dead dino's jingle, I started being more accepting of the 10% or so ethanol. I've done that on the last 3 fill ups or so. I now think about switching back to non ethanol. Thanks block, eric, and the techs. This debate never dies. Because we keep fueling it 🤣 Good luck everyone. I am no combustion expert but those pistons didn't look pretty. Quite the buildup for 6k miles. Maybe the factory banks on stage upgrades to keep the pistons fresh

@brooksbaker6881 3 года назад

BOSTON MIKE!!!!!! He knows more than we've forgotten

@fedeprotto 3 года назад

Here in Argentina our premium fuel is 98RON (without ethanol) equivalent to 93 of the U.S.A. The new Harley manual says to use 93 or 98ron equivalent and I saw many times in your videos that you used 89.

@jimg.so.cal.1018 3 года назад

Enjoy listening to people talk bike shop Thanks for making the video

@ciarranichole5873 3 года назад

I put premium in now should I switch to non ethanol?

@permutatechguy 3 года назад

So how much octane boost do I need if I run octane free and it is not 93?

@dodge33445 3 года назад

I would like to see you test the pingol push button shifting kit on your bike.

@redrider0151 3 года назад

So did they suggest to run an additive to help with stopping the ethanol issues??? We have a LOT of guys who run additives or will mix a bit of 110 octane everytime they fill up...

@TheTim380ibew Год назад

Nice video guys. Thanks for your contribution. I was told to always put premium (91 octane or above) in my bike. I have a stage 2 (torque) 2021 Ultra Limited that has spark knocking issues under load around 2700-2800 rpms, 6th gear. The dealership had my bike for over two months. They said the pistons were already covered in carbon. They had 3 different techs flown out from Milwaukee to try to diagnose. All parts are HD as well as labor. Harley is recommending an auto tuner ($730 for tuner/labor) and they can't guarentee that it'll fix the issue. I picked up my bike because it didn't sit right with me that I should pay that since everything is still under warrenty. Could you guys share some proffessional advice?

@daddydiesel5889 Год назад

Did you ever figure anything out on that ultra?

@TheTim380ibew Год назад

@@daddydiesel5889 Sadly, no. I have a hearing next month with the motor company.

@daddydiesel5889 Год назад

@@TheTim380ibew wow interesting, are you able to tell me the whole story?

@JoshsTruckingadventures 3 года назад

It really depends. Most racers use E85 Bc less chance of detonation and you make more power and tq. Yes you use double but E85 is also cheaper so it equals out. I only use it in my sti

@Cheeta0399 3 года назад

Damn wonder what my pistons look like after 41000 miles on my 16 S I always use premium but not sure how much f it was ethenal free, keep up the good work block

@paulhorvath9784 3 года назад

Put a Camera down the Spark plug hole..

@nokoolaid 3 года назад

What octane does the stock HD require? If you use gas with too high octane than necessary it will carbon up, but gasohol does suck. If something produces less energy per unit volume it will not produce the same heat either. Heat is a form of energy. The biggest problem with ethanol is that it absorbs water and is corrosive to parts in the fuel system.

@walterfechter8080 3 года назад

I ran Sunoco 260 in my Pans and slab side Shovels. Those were the days.

@Andersljungberg Месяц назад

Redlight has an additive to put in E85 one guy said I can still read the logo on the pistons. Surely this product should also be available in the US?

@cribbsmatt 3 года назад

M8 breather system sucking that oil mist. Mmmm. 🥴

@chrisdawson8252 3 года назад

Thanks EPA 😤

@kwellin666 3 года назад

The reason for it is resistance to knock. It burns slower than gasoline and reduces predetonation. It helps keep the cost at the pump down cuz it is expensive to make premium gas. It 10% does not make that much of an impact. Run a fuel system cleaner every so often and it will kepp.ant deposits to a minimum

@kwellin666 3 года назад

And if it was that bad they wouldn't have desined E85 which is 85%ethanol. I know a guy running a performance subaru wrx on E85 getting over 500 to the wheels no problem

@thollingsworth4910 Год назад

What is the compression ratio of a new M8?? Do they need to run premium fuel??

@briankrasne3518 3 года назад

There is ethanol in all of the grades of gas around me except the diesel gas. So I always just run the premium and it doesn't cost much more on a motorcycle.

@Flyingpants82 3 года назад

Ethanol DOES NOT burn hotter than gasoline. Just because these guys have been turning wrenches does not mean they've taken the time to educate themselves about the properties of different fuels, especially "Harley People". Ethanol is well known by any decent tuner, and anyone inclined to research the subject with some reading, to reduce combustion temperatures in engines. That is one of the reasons you can run so much more boost on a FI engine with it, also it's octane rating is at least 105. One way to describe octane is that it's a fuel's resistance to pre-ignition, the higher the number the more compression it can take and not ignite itself. Deposits on the pistons can be cleaned, it's really not a big deal. I'd also suspect that you have most of those deposits from the breather recirculation system HD uses, and probably some blow-by considering the looser tolerances air cooled engines need to be built to. Fun to watch this circle of BS, but it's not good info for people trying to learn.

@Wayfaringwolf 3 года назад

Misleading for most of the world... Premium means high octane here in Australia.

@jasonsmith4902 3 года назад

same here in the usa, just a bad title for the video

@larryechols6606 3 месяца назад

The title should have been: What Ethanol Gas Does to your motorcycle engine.

@motogig7803 3 года назад

In my area the non ethanol gas is 87 octane can I put that low octane in my bike?

@adrianlazaroroman 3 года назад

Erick: the conversatiom on the group chat was Bike on the back: the conversation was EXHAUST EXHAUST!!!

@DanilloMagalhaes 3 года назад

*TheRock's bike shows up: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE CONVERSATION OF THE GROUP CHAT WAS!!! *POTATO POTATO POTATO

@eddale5557 3 года назад

I was chocked when i so the 131 install on your bike the pistons was bad, anyway i se you in US use 93 octane and have E10 standar for the gasoline that is killing the bike ;(. I live in Norway and here we have E5 standar also less ethanol in the gas and we only have 95 octane and 98 octane and i alway fill 98 octane and it sems good i think but i have not had a look at the pistons for ages so i don't know but i think it is pretty okey. We also have some called American Car Club of Norway that is amcar entusiasts for for older american cars and they fight every day so we can get ethanol free gasoline and it seem we maybe wil get that option in 2221 :) Anyway i so "Her Two Weel's" filled gas and i so one pump had a choice to buy ethanol free gasoline or am i wrong it was marked with an blue color the pump?

@MrLhill1222 3 года назад

So here is a dumb question living here in California and being a new rider (March 2020) what is the best fuel grade for me to run on my HD ?

@impoppa9647 3 года назад

Personally I would go with the highest octane - least amount of ethanol fuel you can find. But what do I know.... LOL. Reading the comments though, that is what most people are suggesting.

@MrLhill1222 3 года назад

Appreciate that bro

@adolfoluciano71 3 года назад

Which brand fuel additive you guys use in your motorcycles? Chevron, Seafoam...?

@mojomanmurph1925 3 года назад

Seafoam

@rogermar1280 3 года назад

5,000 Miles did u have Map for your exhaust ?

@rayofdeath6604 3 года назад

I NEED THIS TO BE A PODCAST! lol

@KP-ce4yy 3 года назад

Here in the UK our normal petrol octane is 95, I've never had much coking issues on my bikes. Every now and then I add the 98 octane but the difference is minimal.

@bullhead360 3 года назад

European octane rating is different than here in the USA

@wam1388 3 года назад

If ethanol free is not available, is there a recommended additive to help?

@djohnson3678 3 года назад

@ william - yup , it is called moonshine . just make it happy .

@amosumstead3840 3 года назад

Totally confused, new to motorcycle riding the manual said 93% premium and that is what I AM DOING, IS THIS WRONG?

@scottygdaman 3 года назад

I would be curious to see a comparison between say Honda/Yamaha/H.D./ and maybe Triumph same miles same gas. I'm thinking it might be related to material used in piston manufacturing. Bet big time there would be surprising differences .

@HerrimanB14 3 года назад

The carbon is definitely more from the oil breather/ gasoline than it is the ethanol. Personally have witnessed many engines taken apart that have ran full e85 and the pistons have always had just a brown coloration to them. Ethanol is alcohol. Alcohol is a solvent and has cleaning properties. I can’t wait till you look at the pistons on the 131” rubbing that staight 89 octane with the octane booster additive you use.

@DanielA23 11 месяцев назад

All gas has cleaning additives.

@peterbergeris6510 Год назад

What about Harleys internal breather system vs external breather system. The oil internal system blows sn oil mist onto the pistons causing carbon deposits.

@keithsada1380 2 года назад

Glad we have non-ethanol premium here. I run it in everything except my Toyota pickup. Even all my small motors.

@TheBabyDerp 3 года назад

So why does my Harley Sportsters (2019) owners manual say run 91 then? I am just gonna stick to what my owners manual says. I had a 2005 sportster (carbed) and it's owners manual said run 87 which I did. I run 93 on the 2019 (my local gas station near my house has 93 instead of 91). If I am not mistaken it's because of the higher compression than carbed bikes.

@frankhubbardiv8711 3 года назад

I was told run 93 or highest available, so that's what I've always done. I've also been taught higher octane is lower ethanol. I know my local Exxon the 93 octane is 10% ethanol.

@brucesmith7858 3 года назад

Now here is a question. Where I live it’s incredibly difficult to get pure gas. What is the thinking of mixing the pure gas (when I can get it) with the ethanol gas that’s at every pump around me ??? Help or hurt ???

@jimstenlund6017 Год назад

No such thing as “pure gas” unless you’re talking about Naptha.

@GusDaCosta 3 года назад

Where do you get ethanol free gasoline?

@mojomanmurph1925 3 года назад

From whoever offers it. Not the answer you were looking for but just the way it is. You have to go looking for it.

@johnsylvester3374 3 года назад

I live on Long Island. I’ve never seen ethanol free here. Upstate yes but not on this skid mark

@jefftrout2743 3 года назад

Near water is the simple answer. The closer you are to the coast or big bodies of water you will see it offered at places other than just marinas.

@ken481959 Год назад

Not just premium fuel has ethanol. All grades have ethanol, unless it specifically says otherwise. Ethanol usage today is a gimme to the corn farmers. However, ethanol (called Ethyl) USED to be sold as fuel directly as early as 1908, as the Ford Model T could run on either ethanol or gasoline.

@shaneitsaname6135 3 года назад

So did HD themselves say that their tunes factor in the oil blow- by getting re introduced to the throttle body ? Where's the data from ?

@anthonyjohnson9539 3 года назад

I was told to run premium octane non oxy fuel in my sportster. Only few gas stations around here that are high octane non oxy and ethanol free

@jimstenlund6017 Год назад

My 998cc Yamaha makes 125hp at the wheel running 11.4:1 compression and runs on 87 octane E10 perfectly fine. I do run ‘top tier’ gas only as it has much better detergents added, there’s much more to it than ‘ethanol vs non-ethanol’.

@Reborn4suicide 3 года назад

Where did you get your sissy bar for your 2020 Lowrider?

@jocke6517 2 года назад

You guys should talk to engenering explaind, and his take on ethanol gas

@davot.9717 3 года назад

I have a Harley Davidson EVO motor should I run ethanol free Fuel and where do I get it

@oso_nomada 3 года назад

Davo T. Yes, if you can run Clear Gas...do it! It’s easily 30-40% more than “regular” pump gas but it will be worth it in the long run!

@oso_nomada 3 года назад

Davo T. As far as where to get it...if you live near a boat shop/boat repair or marina...they’ll have it for you. Don’t listen to anyone that says you can get it at a municipal airport...you’ll need a tail number to buy it.

@timothyrackley3063 3 года назад

I like potatoes

@chrisdawson8252 3 года назад

The vodka kind?

@siggsterloo 3 года назад

@@chrisdawson8252 I like turtles !

@jackcampbell4631 2 года назад

What, if any, Octane Booster should be used with "Non-Ethanol" Gasoline?

@MrAizenKiller 3 года назад

Premium fuel actually cleans up the engine and ove always used premium and I always check the pistons when I change spark plugs but I guess it's Honda's so they run better

@empathicdreamz6090 3 года назад

Well there is ethanol premium and non ethanol premium.... It's the ethanol premium they are referring too that dirty's it up

@billyjones7899 3 года назад

Premium fuel doesn’t clean the engine. It’s strictly just octane rating, no added detergents or anything in premium

@TXCHOPER 3 года назад

This is not fully due to fuel. The M8 motors burn oil. All of them. Thats left over oil buring on top of piston. Watch the video from walking tall where Danny from Zippers explains it with a microscope.

@TXCHOPER 3 года назад

Also, Doc is the best.

@BaggerBro 3 года назад

Exactly!!!

@k9m42 3 года назад

My Yamaha Pistons look exactly the same It's from ethanol It's not from any leaking oil.

@NarwhalBMX97 3 года назад

Right, some of this that you are seeing is from oil being sucked into the engine from the egr/breather system as well. That dark junk on your pistons is not due to ethanol.... kind of misleading here. At 4:10, he starts talking about what I am talking about. Get an external breather or catch can system from someone like DK customs...

@rorycalhoun5853 3 года назад

What about adding seafoam to the gas (ethanol or non ethanol) and the oil. How does that affect the Harley?

@thesajeguy 3 года назад

That is purely for getting rid of carbon build up and cleaning the fuel system. I highly recommend using it monthly. Don’t run it all the time, but once a month dumb one of those bottles in there, run it, let it sit, repeat

@feloniousmonk3049 Год назад

Good for carbureted boats, not so good or useful in Fuel injected HD motors.

@brandonstone6962 3 года назад

VERY interesting information in this and should put alot of rumors to rest

@TobyNorthEN 3 года назад

I would ask why you let some cuss words go and others are edited but if you edited all cuss words, this conversation would sound like it's constantly buffering...lol. Awesome conversation!!!! So.....what's the end-of-conversation concesus? Ethanol more for race cars/bikes?

@sebastianziernicki8641 3 года назад

I didn't even know non ethanol was an option. I'm in Chicago and the closest station that offers it is 40 miles away though. 😑

@oso_nomada 3 года назад

Sebastian Ziernicki worth it. Absolutely worth it.

@StevyFaux 3 года назад

Living in Nebraska we have a lot of ethanol but we are pretty lucky I guess cause it’s still pretty easy to find 91 ethanol free gas at the pump. We have been told for a long time to not use ethanol in our bikes.

@nastynotch8314 3 года назад

Stevy!!! You better get back to making content!

@StevyFaux 3 года назад

Trey Lewis I’m on it!

@rustyboltz5058 3 года назад

This is why Chevron added Techron....

@ecrusch 3 года назад

Man, I'm sorry to sound "thick", but I still don't get it. It the 93 octane WaWa I'm burning in my old Honda Shadow good or bad for it?

@1955Paawpabear 3 года назад

The title is misleading. The issue is non-ethanol vs ethanol based fuel. The techs are saying that non-ethanol fuel is the best for our bikes. Your Shadow was built to run on non-ethanol gas.

@ecrusch 3 года назад

@@1955Paawpabear thanks man.

@ohthedude 3 года назад

IMO the oil coming from the breather ports being burnt in the combustion exasperates the carbon build up and is the main cause of the carbon build up. Feuling now has an oil fill/dipstick breather for the Milwaukee 8 engines.

@chrisdawson8252 3 года назад

I looked into it. Is the fueling oil vent system recommend for blowby on built/modified engines? Or is it recommended on stock bikes as well? I also read somewhere that fueling recommended conventional oil over synthetic. I got Syn 3 on my first service but I am still not sure if that's a good oil for all 3 holes

@feloniousmonk3049 Год назад

@@chrisdawson8252 It's good for the engine. It's group IV and V synthetic, PAO and alkyld based synthetics. Run HD Heavy Synthetic 80w-140 in the Primary and gearbox. You can go 10k on the primary and 20k miles on the gearbox with the Heavy Syn in the other 2 boxes that don't have combustion residues in them from burning gas.

@mikeMcoa 3 года назад

But does this apply only to Harley’s ? I have an 07’ Z1000 and the owners manual says not to use anything lower than 93.

@TheBabyDerp 3 года назад

I don't know. All I know is my 2019 Harley Sportster owners manual says to run 91 minimum. I had an 05 sportster and it's owner manual said 87 but it was carbed bike. I had a 2001 miata that requires 91+. It tapped on regular and midgrade.Ran smooth af on 91+. I also had a twin turbo dodge stealth that could only run premium as well. Never attempted anything under premium on it.

@WolfinWolvesClothing713 3 года назад

My 2012 and 2015 z1000 both called for 91 or higher. Sticker right on the tank. The burnt crap on the piston head is from it being broken in by the book.

@eddale5557 3 года назад

@@TheBabyDerp The ethanol tingy is of newer date so 91 Octan for 10 years ago did not have any or very little ethanol but today it have 10% ethanol in the US, so in Noway we only have 5% but we dont have lover octane than 95 though.

@usmcvet0313 3 года назад

@@eddale5557 in Europe you guys use a different octane rating system, so the numbers aren't directly comparable.

@usmcvet0313 3 года назад

Always go off what the manufacturer recommends

@nbt3663 3 года назад

Nothing but the pure stuff for my baby.

@ThePNWRiderWA 3 года назад

It would be interesting to see if brand of gas ( detergents ) matter.

@chrisdawson8252 3 года назад

It probably matters but not that much

@TheLouisianan 2 года назад

It does to a degree. 'Top Tier' gas brands have a minimum level of detergents they put in their fuel (on all grades from 87 and up) and the claim is you don't need to use aftermarket cleaners if you always use Top Tier gas. The cheap off brand gas stations don't have those requirements which is usually why they're 20 or 30 cents cheaper a gallon. I don't use Top Tier gas all the time, but I also run seafoam through my tank about every 5k miles. On my truck that's direct injection I use the seafoam spray through the intake. You get a massive ploom of white smoke after the heat soak when you do an Italian tune up.

@ThePNWRiderWA 2 года назад

@@TheLouisianan that’s what I suspect would be a way to do it. Run the cheaper brands and every so often run a good detergent through it.