Been doing the tournament poker thing for 10+ years and I still learn a ton from talks like this. You both offer so much to the poker community. Thank you.
Every year I come back to this video. In my opinion, the single greatest video for how to navigate low-mid stakes tournaments ever. Patrick Leonard is an absolute beast
two brilliant minds having a insightful convo that kept me engaged the whole time. These guys are truly a testament to the saying that hard work pays off, and validation that poker is a complex game of strategy and discipline.
Really insightful podcast guys. Two of my favorite players and people! One reflection/insight that arose for me (that may be useful for someone reading this) regards dealing with negativity...many of us have discovered the freedom, stress-reduction, and inspiration that comes from letting go of negativity and viewing things in a more neutral or even positive light...this is a blessing, because we have all likely also experienced feeling very negative about things ourselves....it's just human nature. But, when we notice someone else being really negative about things, it's natural for us to want to say "stop being negative, just be positive," etc. But this is often a reactionary stress response from ourselves, comes off as judgmental, and often doesn't get received well. So whenever we notice getting upset about someone else's negativity, this is an opportunity for OURSELF to reconnect with that peace and positivity within ourself. And to better communicate the message for the other person, we might be better off (1) to put ourselves in their shoes for a moment and understand why they might be feeling negative, and then (2) encourage them to see a new path, by saying something like "hey I understand why you may feel that way, and I used to feel a similar way about x...but there's actually a lot of good and opportunity in the situation, and we'll get better results by focusing on the opportunity instead." And if the person is really so stressed out that they do not understand, we do not "need" to make them understand...we can just move on....any extra worry is just more attachment/ego illusion on our part. But through self-awareness, and honest but compassionate communication, we can really guide someone towards a better path that they might not have seen, just like we hadn't (and still don't) at times. With humility and gratitude, blessings everyone, have a lovely day.
Great interview! Love the Pete Sampras analogy. I could never totally buy into to the GTO balance approach as a winning implementable strategy. I'm more inclined to develop exploits against hardcore GTO practitioners. It seems so many overlook fold equity these days and look for excuses to call into marginal situations at critical times when they can just hold on to their stack and get it in as the aggressor in a better spot a few hands later. As far as holding onto edges after success, I think the skills most likely to erode are the mental game and bankroll management skills. Both skills can be better maintained with more humility and less ego. Winning feeds the ego and erodes discipline. Gotta always stay ready for the ride on the variance train. I look forward to the meta games against GTO players in live play at low to mid stakes. I am not a robot, and neither are they.
It's funny I've heard a lot of MTT regs say late regging is betting for your hourly while regging on time is better for you ROI but I know for sure I've had far more success late regging and Pads pretty much confirms that my experience is probably how it should be around the 15 minute mark. Really great interview, with lots of honesty and nuggets to learn from.
Essentially the genre, scope, or nuances don't really matter unless you have the proper mindset. Granted, I'm sure they struggled at first (as both mentioned), but they are really making up for it on the back end by living the life they've chosen, enjoying the friends they choose, and limits they enjoy trying to attain. Honesty is a rare quality with something as contentious as poker, and it's actually in ones best interest to water down their advice. Kudos and Karma
Thank you guys for this absolutely incredible Podcast! In this Video are coming so many things together and esp. the last videos from RYE or with Pads, it´s insane. Thanks so much to Patrick for the recommended Article on Medium, it was so awesome to read, and i eat it :D And last but not least, so much respect for the idea of unionizing and a poker-community who will implement this maybe. ☺♥ Much greetings
I had heard of pads, but didnt know who he was, nor could I put a face to him. But this impressed the shit out of me, and was the perfect way to start the Sunday grind.
Just returned to playing live poker after taking a decade off. Quickly found out that the virtual poker landscape is severely disconnected from the live poker world. Talking cash games here. Your solver is going to do more harm than good. Solid poker fundamentals, being able to identify player types and understand the counter strategy is going to STILL make the money. Poker is still alive and well. SOME of the younger players have a good game, but their execution in the real world is pretty poor. FPS, Fancy Play Syndrome and missing bets is a big leak from what I've seen.
The problem however is your talking strictly about exploiting the worst rec players. If your not studied at all vs a decent reg you have very little chance. Anyone can beat recs, some for more money than others, I value bet thinner than I likely should in almost every pot I can because in live poker people don’t raise punish me nearly enough. Against other regs though I play more solid, because I’ve studied not to beat the whale who’s spewing but to stay relevant when everyone else gets better.
@@jasonhounsell3297 He didnt say anything about the worst recs,he said "identify player types and understand the counter strategy."Thats basic exploitative play
WOW! I so agree. I had this discussion on the DTO discord. A simple question about their app having RFI spots turned in to sarcastic speeches about how preflop actually didn't matter much. I guess anything to sell a product. I tried to clarify if they were talking about cash games (which still wouldn't make sense, but a bit more) but no, tourneys and SnG's too. So yes, I'm very happy to have seen this video.
Plot Twist: There exist outtakes of this conversation where they actually DO talk pro but we will never find out because we are not pro and therefore they cut it out
I was in my high school basketball team. The year 1 coach was really valued my hard work. But the second year there was a new coach who has he's own system and i was not able to fit in. And all i had at that period of time was negative energy i wasn't cheer for my team. i missed practice . i really hope i could do better if i could go back. as pad said that will be a regret, and i dont want to be that person no more in my rest of the life
This is amazing guys. Well done :) If you not be able to extract the advices that Pads and Ben give to you, I'm so sorry. About Mindset the book of Carol Dweck is priceless on that subject.
What are the best ways to study 0-30bb short stack poker and ICM? Do I need to get icmizer? Do you have a lot of course content particularly on this topic? Thanks
I loved this cast, really interesting stuff...It is nice to see that these two great players had their ups and downs too and they both still remain themselves...I was also predicting this after covid lobbies, garantees, dead player pool etc...It is really sad to see it happening right now but not a big surprise honestly...Still poker is business and for the sites we are just pawns and they do not really care how many will fall if it brings the results which is for them one and only thing money. With this perspective from their side it will be up hill battle. Gl us
Hey Ben, I really like the content you give us for free all the time and also really appreceate this opportunity! :) But can you pleeeaaase finally fix those audio problems? xD It's so annoying to always increase the volume when you speak and then decrease it when Pads speaks... Thank you in advance! :)
Great podcast I've taken a lot from this as a long term rec player thank you! Also the union aspect is a great concept that I'd love to see actioned in some form and would love to be apart of. I look forward to hearing where this goes from here and with my business knowledge and connections hopefully I could add some value down the line somewhere.
Is there any discussion on some forum about the claims on the Piosolver not being useful at the start of tournament, when bluffcatching on the river? The topic starts at 19.30 The example is that when pio says you win 100 chips with that river call, then at the start of tournament you capture only about 20 percent of that, since dollar ev is so low. But doesnt capturing only 20 percent of that still mean you are making a plus ev call? Even if the play shows plus 1 chip, then capturing 0.2 chips is still plus ev in the longrun?
Hey Guys, This video is actually kind of a philosophy podcast. I say fuck the first 25 minutes of poker talk and every late-teenager should watch this. You talk about very important life topics so comprehandedly, that this video should be watched in schools all over the world. Ego away... I am at my early twenties and people of my age around me do seek my company because I understand why you should call ppl on their BS that is dragging them down, when to be rough yet remember to remain possitive and do it to help them (and myself and general comunity). Sacrificing current balance to be genuinely serene, happy and content with your life. Facing the decisions and not to be affraid of outcomes but to take into the equation that they MAY happen. I feel like I am not far from being unique at this age to realise this. (Still having a lot to learn) Some people say that the "young ones" do not care about this stuff and dont want to hear about it. But I say the time when we start caring about these things comes earlier than imagined. Seriously, You created some quality content and You have experience with teaching about mindset. PLEASE consider creating podcast/lesson, or whatever you want to call it, targeted on newly-adults. It might have enormous impact and You could seriously start a chain/snowball reaction affecting life of many.
@54:00 Great chat, and there is a correlation, but just to be clear you are skirting around the point that having alot of money frees up alot of time...If that's the case, for most people I would steer them clear of Poker...🤣
Not to impressed by pads poker but His thinking outside the box outside poker is 10/10, but His selfawareness to understand he is not to tier player with 100bb plus and instead fokus on -30bb game is real GTO.
Also, Ben mentions a poster made for the RYE community, containing pot odds, outs and other elementary info. Is it available upon signing up with RYE or only after buying the masterclass?
Hey when you say doubling up a 50$ stack would only make your stack value go to 75$ early in the game. Do you have any kind of proof of that? amazing podcast! thanks for the content!
They explained it in detail.When you double your tournament stack you cannot cash out for double the buy in.The chips are valued in proportion to the payout structure.When you win all the chips finishing 1st in multi table tournaments you don't win the entire prize pool you only 1st place payout
@@davidonsley4127 I get the concept, what want to know is how they get to that exact magnitude of winning only 50% of what the stack would be worth in a ChipEV environment
The exchange went something like this: -Pads:"When you double your 50$ stack it only goes up to 75 or something". -Ben:"Not even 60$" i think it would be amazing to know how they reach that conclusion, or at least what tool they are using to make those claims. I get the logic they use but i would rather to see the math
Been waiting for this to drop, worth the wait! Will now be searching through Pads twitter for his blog post. Don't forget to pop it in the description of the video! (Think it's been overlooked) Thanks for sharing guys certainly going to be applying a lot of what is discussed here to my own journey. See you at the tables.
The only thing I think Pads is wrong about is investing in a house. Hes basing it off of as if he paid for a house in full, not paying a mortgage which could possibly be less or equal to the rent he is paying. Not only is that money not being thrown away, it's being invested as an asset for himself. I think he needs to listen to his parents. Its a win win in my book, unless I'm missing something.
There is a huge mental aspect to it. If you have lets say 1 Mio and lose 50k because of bad luck/variance, you still have 950k to play with. But if you have 1 Mio, invest 800k in a house and lose 50k because of bad luck, you really do not want to lose your house, so you think you have a bankroll of 150k left. So you start playing lower limits, play less optimal because you feel worse/you are scared...
Having money allows you not to settle at one location, not to say about having bigger bankroll. Pad doesn't have yet enough money to buy house and not hurt his bankroll.
Superb content ! Could someone please explain what Pads is referring to at 59:20 ? 10 HR ... Also I can't find the Pads article link anywhere, anyone mind sharing it? Thanks !
Been playing cash for 15 years would be considered a tourney rec - everytime i play a tourney and it has rebuys i ask myself why did i play this - not thepoker i remember and like you guys say hurts the recs
First of all i want to thank you for this golden content! I wanted to ask about this 3bet bluffing thing. Pads said he didnt 3bet bluffed a single time in low stakes. do you mean hands like K5o and suited connectors or is QJo and A9o also considered as bluff. Lets say co opens and i 3bet QJo from sb. is that considered as a bluff? If yes, what else did you do with those hands? just flat in the small or fold? And also It would be super interesting if ben did these hrc sims what pads was talking about. I think that would be amazing. thanks again!
